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Ed Miliband: Conservatives have secret plan to reorganise NHS after election
Labour will ask why 2014 report by former Marks & Spencer boss Stuart Rose has not been published, even though it has been in Tory hands since December
Ed Miliband will on Monday try to put the NHS at the heart of the runup to polling day by asking the Conservatives to explain why they have not published a plan – commissioned by the government from a former supermarket executive – for another re-organisation of NHS bureaucracy after the election.
Labour is also highlighting a letter published in the Guardian from US doctors warning that, on the current course, the NHS is on a “slippery slope” to pay-as-you-go healthcare.
Miliband, who will campaign alongside cookery writer Delia Smith on Monday, is highlighting an unpublished report commissioned by the Department of Health (DH) from the former Marks & Spencer chief executive Stuart Rose, a Tory peer.
The report was passed to ministers well before the election purdah period during which announcements cannot be made, but has not been published.
The Conservatives said the report had been delayed because the remit had been widened to take account of the NHS five-year forward view.
The report is understood to focus not on controversial issues, such as the contracting out of health services, but on the excessively complex NHS bureaucracy, some of which may have been worsened by changes introduced by the previous health secretary, Andrew Lansley.
Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, will be speaking alongside Miliband at an event in Brighton on Monday.
He will tell voters: “David Cameron should come clean with the British people about his plans for the NHS after the election. He commissioned a major report on how to change the way the health service is run but has buried the findings.
“They won’t tell us what’s in it. They won’t tell us what they plan to do with it. They won’t tell us what they plan to do with the NHS. But we do know one thing. We know who wrote it: the Conservative peer, Lord Rose.
“Lord Rose may be good at running supermarkets. But I say to David Cameron: you can’t run the NHS like a supermarket, we don’t want a supermarket health service, so publish this report and show us what is in your secret plan.”
The Rose report was commissioned by the DH in February 2014 and, according to a parliamentary written answer, was submitted to the health secretary on 23 December, four months ago.
In February this year, the Financial Times reported that one individual who had been in meetings in which the report was discussed said it had been put on “the back-burner of the back-burner”.
The article said that one reason for the delay could be that “a detailed prescription from a private sector leader could be particularly sensitive”.
In March, the Observer reported that Jeremy Hunt was facing allegations of a “politically motivated coverup” as the report remained unpublished.
The Tory chair of the health select committee, Sarah Wollaston, said: “It is not right that reports paid for out of public money are not made available to the public on such vital issues as soon as possible, particularly ahead of a general election.”
Wollaston talked of “uncomfortable information being withheld”.
The reality may be that the report is largely uncontroversial, but Rose is known to be critical of the current management structure of the NHS – and anything that smacks of reorganisation will raise alarm within the NHS.
But, politically, it is damaging for the Conservative-led government to be accused days before polling day of not publishing a report that it commissioned.
The US medical experts who wrote to the Guardian said: “We express concern over recent movements toward transferring more and more services to for-profit corporations in your healthcare system, and measures that encourage the development of a self-pay market for care.
“Access to treatment should not depend on whether someone can spare the money.
“While some may say the changes in England have so far only been at the margins, it is the risk of a slippery slope that should cause concern.”
Miliband himself will describe the choice between two visions: more privatisation, reorganisation and longer waits with a Tory second term, or Labour’s plan to protect and improve the NHS by putting the right values back at its heart.
He will say: “In the final few days of this general election campaign, the future of the NHS is at risk in the way it hasn’t been for a generation.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/04/ed-miliband-conservatives-have-secret-plan-to-reorganise-nhs-after-election?CMP=share_btn_tw
The amount of information they are witholding so they can't be judged on it is staggering. Refuse to say where they will make the welfare cuts and now this. Remember 'NO TOP DOWN ORGANISATION'? A Party is supposed to set out its policy before you make your choice, not after. Cowardly scum.
Ed Miliband will on Monday try to put the NHS at the heart of the runup to polling day by asking the Conservatives to explain why they have not published a plan – commissioned by the government from a former supermarket executive – for another re-organisation of NHS bureaucracy after the election.
Labour is also highlighting a letter published in the Guardian from US doctors warning that, on the current course, the NHS is on a “slippery slope” to pay-as-you-go healthcare.
Miliband, who will campaign alongside cookery writer Delia Smith on Monday, is highlighting an unpublished report commissioned by the Department of Health (DH) from the former Marks & Spencer chief executive Stuart Rose, a Tory peer.
The report was passed to ministers well before the election purdah period during which announcements cannot be made, but has not been published.
The Conservatives said the report had been delayed because the remit had been widened to take account of the NHS five-year forward view.
The report is understood to focus not on controversial issues, such as the contracting out of health services, but on the excessively complex NHS bureaucracy, some of which may have been worsened by changes introduced by the previous health secretary, Andrew Lansley.
Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, will be speaking alongside Miliband at an event in Brighton on Monday.
He will tell voters: “David Cameron should come clean with the British people about his plans for the NHS after the election. He commissioned a major report on how to change the way the health service is run but has buried the findings.
“They won’t tell us what’s in it. They won’t tell us what they plan to do with it. They won’t tell us what they plan to do with the NHS. But we do know one thing. We know who wrote it: the Conservative peer, Lord Rose.
“Lord Rose may be good at running supermarkets. But I say to David Cameron: you can’t run the NHS like a supermarket, we don’t want a supermarket health service, so publish this report and show us what is in your secret plan.”
The Rose report was commissioned by the DH in February 2014 and, according to a parliamentary written answer, was submitted to the health secretary on 23 December, four months ago.
In February this year, the Financial Times reported that one individual who had been in meetings in which the report was discussed said it had been put on “the back-burner of the back-burner”.
The article said that one reason for the delay could be that “a detailed prescription from a private sector leader could be particularly sensitive”.
In March, the Observer reported that Jeremy Hunt was facing allegations of a “politically motivated coverup” as the report remained unpublished.
The Tory chair of the health select committee, Sarah Wollaston, said: “It is not right that reports paid for out of public money are not made available to the public on such vital issues as soon as possible, particularly ahead of a general election.”
Wollaston talked of “uncomfortable information being withheld”.
The reality may be that the report is largely uncontroversial, but Rose is known to be critical of the current management structure of the NHS – and anything that smacks of reorganisation will raise alarm within the NHS.
But, politically, it is damaging for the Conservative-led government to be accused days before polling day of not publishing a report that it commissioned.
The US medical experts who wrote to the Guardian said: “We express concern over recent movements toward transferring more and more services to for-profit corporations in your healthcare system, and measures that encourage the development of a self-pay market for care.
“Access to treatment should not depend on whether someone can spare the money.
“While some may say the changes in England have so far only been at the margins, it is the risk of a slippery slope that should cause concern.”
Miliband himself will describe the choice between two visions: more privatisation, reorganisation and longer waits with a Tory second term, or Labour’s plan to protect and improve the NHS by putting the right values back at its heart.
He will say: “In the final few days of this general election campaign, the future of the NHS is at risk in the way it hasn’t been for a generation.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/04/ed-miliband-conservatives-have-secret-plan-to-reorganise-nhs-after-election?CMP=share_btn_tw
The amount of information they are witholding so they can't be judged on it is staggering. Refuse to say where they will make the welfare cuts and now this. Remember 'NO TOP DOWN ORGANISATION'? A Party is supposed to set out its policy before you make your choice, not after. Cowardly scum.
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All over the Sunday papers nd guess what, not a pip from the the tory support here.
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You lot just don't get it do you!?
It is the EU that has a plan to open up the NHS and the rest of our public services to American corporations who will also be able to sue our govt for loss of earnings if refused contracts under the TTIP plans that are currently being pushed through and supported by labour, Tory and lib dems!!!
Only UKIP stand against this!
You all seem to have forgotten that about 6% of the NHS is in private hands, of which about 4% of this total was privatised under labour.
They also signed off £300billion in crooked PFI contracts to private corporations for only £50 billion worth of hospitals as well as allowing companies like G4S, capita and Serco to get control of massive amounts of other public services from prisons to waste management to even now running the housing benefit dept.
Labour had plans to sell off the post office as far back as around 2000 and tried to sell it off twice too!!!
You idiot labour mugs complain about things on one hand but ignore the fact that labour have been responsible for It too and if given the chance will do more of the same!!!
It is the EU that has a plan to open up the NHS and the rest of our public services to American corporations who will also be able to sue our govt for loss of earnings if refused contracts under the TTIP plans that are currently being pushed through and supported by labour, Tory and lib dems!!!
Only UKIP stand against this!
You all seem to have forgotten that about 6% of the NHS is in private hands, of which about 4% of this total was privatised under labour.
They also signed off £300billion in crooked PFI contracts to private corporations for only £50 billion worth of hospitals as well as allowing companies like G4S, capita and Serco to get control of massive amounts of other public services from prisons to waste management to even now running the housing benefit dept.
Labour had plans to sell off the post office as far back as around 2000 and tried to sell it off twice too!!!
You idiot labour mugs complain about things on one hand but ignore the fact that labour have been responsible for It too and if given the chance will do more of the same!!!
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The stock reply from Ukip - insult the poster and have no policy to answer as a reply.
come on Tommy - you are better than that.
come on Tommy - you are better than that.
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Try reading the main part of my post and answer the points raised...
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Sassy op is about the secret plan drawn up by Lord Rose to privatise the NHS after the election.The tories have been rumbled and have been asked to provide more detail.
This thread isn't about the eu or what Labour did or didn't do 10 or 5 years ago.
Stop deflecting.
Do Ukip have a privatisation policy akin to the Conservatives that Nigel is keeping quiet about?
This thread isn't about the eu or what Labour did or didn't do 10 or 5 years ago.
Stop deflecting.
Do Ukip have a privatisation policy akin to the Conservatives that Nigel is keeping quiet about?
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Handy Andy wrote:Sassy op is about the secret plan drawn up by Lord Rose to privatise the NHS after the election.The tories have been rumbled and have been asked to provide more detail.
This thread isn't about the eu or what Labour did or didn't do 10 or 5 years ago.
Stop deflecting.
Do Ukip have a privatisation policy akin to the Conservatives that Nigel is keeping quiet about?
Of course they do, Farage has said over and over again he wants a health scheme like America - how fucking crazy is that!
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The facts of my post remain.
Labour and Tory are subservient to The EU which is the real reason for increased privatisation.
Have a look at the TTIP plans of the EU and the implications..
UKIP are against this.
In fact UKIP are the only party against the EU at all...!!!
A vote for labour or Tory is a vote for the EU and its TTIP plan to over up our NHS as well as what remains of all our other public services to American corporations.
The huge levels of privatisation under the last labour govt is undeniable yet you lot want to complain about it and then still vote for more of The same!!!
It's absolute madness!!!
Labour and Tory are subservient to The EU which is the real reason for increased privatisation.
Have a look at the TTIP plans of the EU and the implications..
UKIP are against this.
In fact UKIP are the only party against the EU at all...!!!
A vote for labour or Tory is a vote for the EU and its TTIP plan to over up our NHS as well as what remains of all our other public services to American corporations.
The huge levels of privatisation under the last labour govt is undeniable yet you lot want to complain about it and then still vote for more of The same!!!
It's absolute madness!!!
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Waffle..
Labour are all for the EU and all that comes with it.
TTIP will be enforced on us by the EU and we will have to abide by the rules just like we do with all the other bollocks they dictate to us.
The only way is out of The EU and UKIP are the only party committed to delivering that.
Labour are all for the EU and all that comes with it.
TTIP will be enforced on us by the EU and we will have to abide by the rules just like we do with all the other bollocks they dictate to us.
The only way is out of The EU and UKIP are the only party committed to delivering that.
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My MP, Tim Yeo, when I emailed him, assured me that NHS would be exempt from TTIP. We are allowed to exclude things from the contract. However, because he wants to privatise and make money, Cameron has refused to do so. I therefore informed Tim Yeo that he was a liar, and the only way it would be excluded from the treaty was if we had a Labour Government.
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Frankly UKIP are little more than a vocal pressure group,with only 3 in 20 adults supporting them they will be lucky to get 4 MP 's.
After May 8 they will become irrelevant and powerless for the next 5 years
This thread is not about Ukip,who have clearly stated intentions of having an American style private health service, it about the yet more secret plans for enactment after THE GE by the tories
After May 8 they will become irrelevant and powerless for the next 5 years
This thread is not about Ukip,who have clearly stated intentions of having an American style private health service, it about the yet more secret plans for enactment after THE GE by the tories
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Labour support EU and all that comes with it.
They have already privatised about (£4 billion) 4% of The NHS and signed off crooked deals in PFI which means we are now going to have to pay £300 billion for £50 billion of hospitals... when they could have borrowed the money and built them for much less.
The only way out of TTIP is out of The EU!!!
And labour are staunch pro EU!!!
Why do some find this so hard to understand!?
They have already privatised about (£4 billion) 4% of The NHS and signed off crooked deals in PFI which means we are now going to have to pay £300 billion for £50 billion of hospitals... when they could have borrowed the money and built them for much less.
The only way out of TTIP is out of The EU!!!
And labour are staunch pro EU!!!
Why do some find this so hard to understand!?
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Because it isn't true, we can take the NHS out of TTIP, it is allowable under the treaty. The fact that you don't understand it is not our problem.
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Labour will bend over to the EU yet again.
UKIP are the only party committed standing up for Britain and our democracy and against TTIP.
If You believe anything labour say after their 13 years of lies and spin then you need your head testing!!!
Just Iraq alone should be enough for most sane people to never vote labour again... shame on you!!!
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Tommy, I know you don't mean to be a comedy act but ...............
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How bad do labour have to be for people like you to not vote for them again...!?
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Well, when it comes to bad, Labour are almost 3x more popular than UKIP. Which makes UKIP ptretty appalling.Tommy Monk wrote:How bad do labour have to be for people like you to not vote for them again...!?
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Really?
Going by latest recent REAL ELECTION RESULTS...!!!???
UKIP are looking likely to get about 25% of overall vote this election!!!
The made up bullshit polls are just that... made up bullshit!!!
Going by latest recent REAL ELECTION RESULTS...!!!???
UKIP are looking likely to get about 25% of overall vote this election!!!
The made up bullshit polls are just that... made up bullshit!!!
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I will quote you on Friday morning.
If they do well,UKIP will get 15% of all votes and less than 5 MP's .
No doubt if UKIP fail to meet Tom's lofty expectations, he and Farage will blame the BBC and a rigged ballot.
If they do well,UKIP will get 15% of all votes and less than 5 MP's .
No doubt if UKIP fail to meet Tom's lofty expectations, he and Farage will blame the BBC and a rigged ballot.
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The promotion of The media spun polls two horse race coupled with the constant repetition of The need to vote for one to keep the other out will undoubtedly have an effect on peoples voting intention.
Hopefully UKIP voters, who come from across the board and from the large group of people who don't normally vote at all, will stick to their guns and vote UKIP and not be swayed by the blatant over hyped propaganda we have been seeing.
Hopefully UKIP voters, who come from across the board and from the large group of people who don't normally vote at all, will stick to their guns and vote UKIP and not be swayed by the blatant over hyped propaganda we have been seeing.
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We shall see, Tom.
Off to bed, early start in the morning.Catch up tommorrow - have a good one.
Off to bed, early start in the morning.Catch up tommorrow - have a good one.
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Yeah,no doubt you got to get a few hand shandys in before sleepy time...!
You haven't answered any of my points today so I doubt you'll be doing so tomorrow...
You haven't answered any of my points today so I doubt you'll be doing so tomorrow...
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Handy Andy wrote:Well, when it comes to bad, Labour are almost 3x more popular than UKIP. Which makes UKIP ptretty appalling.Tommy Monk wrote:How bad do labour have to be for people like you to not vote for them again...!?
Or it could just mean that most people always vote for the same party out of habit and not wishing to believe they were ever wrong?
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Or it could just mean that people have done the grown up thing and looked at polices, facts and records and come to their own conclusions.
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Or it could just mean the polls are made up bullshit designed to manipulate public opinion rather than to accurately reflect it...
100 people said lib dems and over 200 said UKIP, but then the poll gave lib dems 13% and UKIP only 9%!!!
Tells me all I need to know about polls.
100 people said lib dems and over 200 said UKIP, but then the poll gave lib dems 13% and UKIP only 9%!!!
Tells me all I need to know about polls.
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The polls are largely run by rw supporting companies, on behalf of the rw press
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Well Tommy, you only have a couple of days to wait. LOL
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And you will see again how inaccurate the polls are concerning REAL UKIP SUPPORT!!!
It's going to be great!!!
It's going to be great!!!
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Oh Tommy, Friday is going to be such fun, you won't show your face lol
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I'll be here... loud and clear!!!
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Of course you will, so we can all have a good laugh.
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I doubt you'll be turning up for a while...
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