UKIP: supporting homophobia as much as it can...

So as per my sig, UKIP wont repeal same-sex marriage as 'it would be grossly unfair and unethical to ‘un-marry’ loving couples'.

However, they would give legal protection to people on 'religious grounds' to refuse service to gay couples:

"British right-wing political party UKIP has revealed it would offer legal protection to those who oppose same-sex marriage on religious grounds in the workplace, if it wins the 2015 general election.

The party outlined the pledge in a manifesto titled 'Valuing Our Christian Heritage'.

In it, they state: 'We will extend the legal concept of "reasonable ACCOMMODATION" to give protection in law to those expressing a religious conscience in the workplace on this issue [of same-sex marriage].'"
See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/ukip-pledges-legal-protection-religious-opponents-gay-marriage-workplace280415#sthash.sJHT49Ab.Y5pN4vNq.dpuf

Just another reason NOT to vote UKIP...

Maybe for The 0.5% of the British population who are homoNazis.....

Why would someone want a cake with "support gay marriage" on it? We have gay marriage so there's no need to support it or not support it.

What next on religious grounds eh?

Refusing to serve a Muslims, Jew, Buddhist etc as they are non-Christian?

Refusing to serve a couple not married?

Refusing to serve someone who is black based on the curse of Ham?


I could go on the list is endless of people that could be discriminated against for mythical beliefs.
Once again religion with its abundance of backward ideas being given endorsement to discriminate.


That is the nail in the coffin for UKIP this election.

Why wouldn't a true Christian be friendly to everyone and treat them as though they were made by God?

Ben_Reilly wrote:Why wouldn't a true Christian be friendly to everyone and treat them as though they were made by God?

It's not just some Christians who discriminate, although UKIP does seem to have singled them out.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Why wouldn't a true Christian be friendly to everyone and treat them as though they were made by God?

Most follow Pauline Christianity and that is where the problem has generally been, plus the fact that Jesus states he did not come to change the law, but fulfill it.
Once you have conflict over what is written and as seen verses that allow discrimination, you have reason to be discriminating. Those who try to emulate Jesus, are not the kind of people who are the problem.

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Why wouldn't a true Christian be friendly to everyone and treat them as though they were made by God?

Most follow Pauline Christianity and that is where the problem has generally been, plus the fact that Jesus states he did not come to change the law, but fulfill it.
Once you have conflict over what is written and as seen verses that allow discrimination, you have reason to be discriminating. Those who try to emulate Jesus, are not the kind of people who are the problem.

Most? I don't know about that. A lot of Christians like 1 Corinthians 13, but that doesn't mean much.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Most follow Pauline Christianity and that is where the problem has generally been, plus the fact that Jesus states he did not come to change the law, but fulfill it.
Once you have conflict over what is written and as seen verses that allow discrimination, you have reason to be discriminating. Those who try to emulate Jesus, are not the kind of people who are the problem.

Most? I don't know about that. A lot of Christians like 1 Corinthians 13, but that doesn't mean much.

Most follow Pauline Christianity, basically the Christianity that people follow today.
The Jerusalem early Christian church was wiped out. The Council of Nicaea decided the fate of the bible based more around the views of Paul.
Paul is considered as much the founder of the Christian faith you see today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Most? I don't know about that. A lot of Christians like 1 Corinthians 13, but that doesn't mean much.

Most follow Pauline Christianity, basically the Christianity that people follow today.
The Jerusalem early Christian church was wiped out. The Council of Nicaea decided the fate of the bible based more around the views of Paul.
Paul is considered as much the founder of the Christian faith you see today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity

You should try actually speaking to some Christians you know ...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Most follow Pauline Christianity, basically the Christianity that people follow today.
The Jerusalem early Christian church was wiped out. The Council of Nicaea decided the fate of the bible based more around the views of Paul.
Paul is considered as much the founder of the Christian faith you see today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_Christianity

You should try actually speaking to some Christians you know ...

I do as most of my family are and was raised in the faith.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You should try actually speaking to some Christians you know ...

I do as most of my family are and was raised in the faith.

Are they homophobic?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



I do as most of my family are and was raised in the faith.

Are they homophobic?

My parents were but changed

^Monk, firstly the gay population is much higher than 0.5%, second regardless of how many, there ate tens of millions of straight people who do not want their gay friends or family members to be legally discriminated against- this is the problem with UKIP narrow mindedness, you genuinely only think gay people will care about things like this, which is really quite small minded.

Eilzel wrote:^Monk, firstly the gay population is much higher than 0.5%, second regardless of how many, there ate tens of millions of straight people who do not want their gay friends or family members to be legally discriminated against- this is the problem with UKIP narrow mindedness, you genuinely only think gay people will care about things like this, which is really quite small minded.

I get the feeling a lot of the small minded conservatives can't get their heads around the idea that some people actually Care about what is good and fair for Other people, not just what benefits/effects themselves and how much they can gain from it.

the idea is very foreign to them

Homosexuals only seem to care about what is in their own interests... and bollocks to everyone else, they must be demonised...

@TM
how so?
gay marriage has nothing to do with anyone else?
but the people getting married
Sorry but you don't like something that has no effect on you Society should tell you to STFU.
It is not everyone else as Most people want to give Gay people the rights as everyone else, it is selfish crybaby homophobs STFU I don't care if you are scared or it make you feel yucky, Grow the Fuck up. If you cant act like a adult why should anyone take your opinion seriously you just shouldn't be allowed to vote... letting homophobs vote makes as much sense as letting a 6 year old vote.. neither is mature enough to have an opinion worth counting.

Totally agree on some hardline conservatives being bewildered that people care about other people veya.

Monk, you obviously don't know any gay people in real life if you actually think we only care about our interests- which goes a long way in explaining your homophobia, you don't actually know the type of person you are talking about- of course fear and/or dislike comes from lack of knowledge...

If it has nothing to do with anyone else then why try to force everyone else to have to agree with it and accept it and cater for it through legislation...?


Surely anyone not comfortable with it can be left alone to think/believe what they want.


Your sexual preference is irrelevant to The vast majority of people in THe vast majority of society the vast majority of The time.


It's not like anyone (apart from Muslims maybe...) is advocating persecution, violence, flogging, and lynching etc..



Why is it that only your way of thinking is deemed as right and acceptable?


Why is it that you think some are allowed to cater for only some certain people but others are not?



Would you go to a vegetarian restaurant and claim discrimination because they didn't have a meat based option on The menu?




Would you hire a rock band and then complain if they didn't play George Michael tunes...?



Surely if you want a specific thing that specifically caters to your specific criteria then you go to one that does... not try to force one that doesn't...


If they don't want your money then give it to someone who does... everyone is a winner!

Why is it that only your way of thinking is deemed as right and acceptable?

You miss the [point we can disagree lots of people can BUT YOU ARE WRONG
end of story
you are wrong
the people that have a problem are wrong and need to be confronted THEY ARE THE PROBLEM with society and society needs to remove them.


You See Homosexuals as a threat BUT YOU ARE THE THREAT TO ALL THAT IS GOOD AND DECENT.

Says the homoNazi...


Not only trying to be the tail that is wagging the dog... but also wanting to have the eyes, nose, ears and teeth...!!!







You can't argue with nature buddy... you're barking up the wrong tree...!!!

Erm, veya isn't even gay Monk- this is what you fail to understand. Nearly every poster here is straight (all but me in fact), and nearly all of them disagree with you on this.

And again what you fail to understand is this.

Most people who have gay friends or family will NOT agree with a law that ALLOWS discrimination again those people.

This is the law UKIP want to introduce. It is a potentially damaging policy to hold.

Further, what you propose is that racists are allowed to bar entry to black people, homophobes can simply bar gay people etc. There is no end to where that can lead, we'd be going back decades. And what is worse it is based off ridiculous fairy stories written by dark age desert dwelling ill educated fanatics.

It not about legitimising discrimination, but protecting peoples rights to their freedom to believe what they want.


And people who cater for specific things not being forced by law to have to cater for others that they don't want to.



If it has nothing to do with anyone else then why try to force everyone else to have to agree with it and accept it and cater for it through legislation...?


Surely anyone not comfortable with it can be left alone to think/believe what they want.


Your sexual preference is irrelevant to The vast majority of people in THe vast majority of society the vast majority of The time.


It's not like anyone (apart from Muslims maybe...) is advocating persecution, violence, flogging, and lynching etc..



Why is it that only your way of thinking is deemed as right and acceptable?


Why is it that you think some are allowed to cater for only some certain people but others are not?



Would you go to a vegetarian restaurant and claim discrimination because they didn't have a meat based option on The menu?




Would you hire a rock band and then complain if they didn't play George Michael tunes...?



Surely if you want a specific thing that specifically caters to your specific criteria then you go to one that does... not try to force one that doesn't...


If they don't want your money then give it to someone who does... everyone is a winner!

You just retyped the same shit in a different order. And you wonder why I wont bother getting into an EU discussion with you? Prove your worth the effort and I might...

Back on subject- religion is bullshit to begin with. One Christian says being gay is wrong, another says its ok. What is there in this legislation to stop people of race, women, other religions or gay people being discriminated against on religious grounds? You're opening a bag of worms- tell me how I'm wrong.

Freedom of choice, thought and belief.

Tommy Monk wrote:Freedom of choice, thought and belief.

So you do not believe in equality then for people and back religions which have no evidence that the god exists and commands all these beliefs to actively discriminate, again women, children, ethnic groups, homosexuals, adulterers, unmarried couples, witches, those not of that faith, women who have had abortions etc then?

Why is it that only your way of thinking is deemed as right and acceptable?


Why is it that you think some are allowed to cater for only some certain people but others are not?



Would you go to a vegetarian restaurant and claim discrimination because they didn't have a meat based option on The menu?




Would you hire a rock band and then complain if they didn't play George Michael tunes...?



Surely if you want a specific thing that specifically caters to your specific criteria then you go to one that does... not try to force one that doesn't...


If they don't want your money then give it to someone who does... everyone is a winner!

Nemesis wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Freedom of choice, thought and belief.

So you do not believe in equality then for people and back religions which have no evidence that the god exists and commands all these beliefs to actively discriminate, again women, children, ethnic groups, homosexuals, adulterers, unmarried couples, witches, those not of that faith, women who have had abortions etc then?

Not answered and the reply given was embarrassing to read I cringed at its stupidity as we are talking about Christian or religious people who will be allowed to discriminate in any for of work place etc


Try again

Nemesis, he's gone and got himself all worked up and upset on another forum we converse on. I'd let him go and have a lie down before the old bean bursts a blood vessel or two lol

Eilzel wrote:Nemesis, he's gone and got himself all worked up and upset on another forum we converse on. I'd let him go and have a lie down before the old bean bursts a blood vessel or two lol

Ha ha, now why am I not surprised.



All I would like is for some honest answers instead of all the avoidance all the time, it gets tedious.
In fact I am in the hope he will engage the points but this just does not happen.

Nemesis wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Nemesis, he's gone and got himself all worked up and upset on another forum we converse on. I'd let him go and have a lie down before the old bean bursts a blood vessel or two lol

Ha ha, now why am I not surprised.



All I would like is for some honest answers instead of all the avoidance all the time, it gets tedious.
In fact I am in the hope he will engage the points but this just does not happen.

Nope, just endless copying and pasting of his own thin line of argument- gets boring fast, little wonder few take his views seriously.

Eilzel wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Ha ha, now why am I not surprised.



All I would like is for some honest answers instead of all the avoidance all the time, it gets tedious.
In fact I am in the hope he will engage the points but this just does not happen.

Nope, just endless copying and pasting of his own thin line of argument- gets boring fast, little wonder few take his views seriously.

100% agree.

But you cannot answer the points I raised...




No surprise there really... same old same old...

What points?

You never answered this simple question:

What is there in this legislation to stop people of race, women, other religions or gay people being discriminated against on religious grounds?

You never raised any valid points Tommy, you went off a vegetarian restaurant, as if to base Christian people in any job being allowed to discriminate


It showed how utterly clueless you are.
Vegetarians in jobs would also not be allowed to discriminate against meat eaters that was not a restaurant specific to vegetarians. That is types of food, where as Christians is a belief system, not backed with evidence that God exists.


One last chance

Nemesis wrote:You never raised any valid points Tommy, you went off a vegetarian restaurant, as if to base Christian people in any job being allowed to discriminate


It showed how utterly clueless you are.
Vegetarians in jobs would also not be allowed to discriminate against meat eaters that was not a restaurant specific to vegetarians. That is types of food, where as Christians is a belief system, not backed with evidence that God exists.


One last chance

Exactly, the vegetarian metaphor only works if a gay couple went to a church a demanded to be married there by a Christian vicar. THAT would be wrong. But that is not what happened.

Eilzel wrote:

Nemesis wrote:You never raised any valid points Tommy, you went off a vegetarian restaurant, as if to base Christian people in any job being allowed to discriminate


It showed how utterly clueless you are.
Vegetarians in jobs would also not be allowed to discriminate against meat eaters that was not a restaurant specific to vegetarians. That is types of food, where as Christians is a belief system, not backed with evidence that God exists.


One last chance

Exactly, the vegetarian metaphor only works if a gay couple went to a church a demanded to be married there by a Christian vicar. THAT would be wrong. But that is not what happened.

He does not grass this and why he views are flawed.


Anyway, not going to pander anymore where he refuse to answer, he will get a couple of chances and if he fails to address, will leave him flapping as it gets boring to be honest.

Off to work, so enjoy

Tommy Monk wrote:Says the homoNazi...


Not only trying to be the tail that is wagging the dog... but also wanting to have the eyes, nose, ears and teeth...!!!







You can't argue with nature buddy... you're barking up the wrong tree...!!!

LOL I'm not gay
i believe in "a fair go for all"
what you want is not fair.

And Ducks prove you wrong Nature supports gays in many circumstances.

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Says the homoNazi...


Not only trying to be the tail that is wagging the dog... but also wanting to have the eyes, nose, ears and teeth...!!!







You can't argue with nature buddy... you're barking up the wrong tree...!!!

LOL I'm not gay
i believe in "a fair go for all"
what you want is not fair.

And Ducks prove you wrong Nature supports gays in many circumstances.

In Tommy's mind anyone who overtly supports gay rights and claims as much must be gay- its surprising he doesn't think way over half the population of Britain is gay tbh lol

Tommy Monk wrote:Freedom of choice, thought and belief.

you can think it and believe it but you cannot act on it ... just like heaps of other things what you believe is social unacceptable you can still believe it IF you don't act on it. you have the same right as the Muslims that want sharia since it is the same thing a law based on religious belief.

And you have a choice if you run a business to preform in a social acceptable manner OR not run a business... Or do you think if someone believes it is all good to use their scrotum as a dishcloth and wipe everyone's plate with it before serving that is FINE since they believe it?
Like any business there is minimum standards if you cannot comply than close your business.

P.S as a meat eater I have been to vegan restaurants (most suck) I can order and be given anything on the menu.


@les
I thought that he thought it was 0.5% but based on some of his other arguments his not being able to count is not all that surprising

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Freedom of choice, thought and belief.

you can think it and believe it but you cannot act on it ... just like heaps of other things what you believe is social unacceptable you can still believe it IF you don't act on it. you have the same right as the Muslims that want sharia since it is the same thing a law based on religious belief.

And you have a choice if you run a business to preform in a social acceptable manner OR not run a business... Or do you think if someone believes it is all good to use their scrotum as a dishcloth and wipe everyone's plate with it before serving that is FINE since they believe it?
Like any business there is minimum standards if you cannot comply than close your business.

P.S as a meat eater I have been to vegan restaurants (most suck) I can order and be given anything on the menu.


@les
I thought that he thought it was 0.5%  but based on some of his other arguments his not being able to count is not all that surprising  

He does think it's 0.5%, which is much lower than reality. What I meant was that if he thinks anyone supporting gay rights is gay, then by default he must believe over 50% of the UK must be gay

Eilzel wrote:You just retyped the same shit in a different order. And you wonder why I wont bother getting into an EU discussion with you? Prove your worth the effort and I might...

Back on subject- religion is bullshit to begin with. One Christian says being gay is wrong, another says its ok. What is there in this legislation to stop people of race, women, other religions or gay people being discriminated against on religious grounds? You're opening a bag of worms- tell me how I'm wrong.

You shouldn't assume that anyone who is homophobic must be so on religious grounds - that's not correct and it leads to intolerance against Christians and other religious people.

You say religion is bullshit, so that makes you intolerant against those who have faith. If a Christian thinks that being gay is not wrong, that doesn't give you the right to judge them as following "bullshit".

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:You just retyped the same shit in a different order. And you wonder why I wont bother getting into an EU discussion with you? Prove your worth the effort and I might...

Back on subject- religion is bullshit to begin with. One Christian says being gay is wrong, another says its ok. What is there in this legislation to stop people of race, women, other religions or gay people being discriminated against on religious grounds? You're opening a bag of worms- tell me how I'm wrong.

You shouldn't assume that anyone who is homophobic must be so on religious grounds - that's not correct and it leads to intolerance against Christians and other religious people.

You say religion is bullshit, so that makes you intolerant against those who have faith. If a Christian thinks that being gay is not wrong, that doesn't give you the right to judge them as following "bullshit".

It does not make him intolerant to religious people but the bull that is proclaimed in the faith. You can still repsect people and get on with themn, even if they hold idiotic views. What is wrong is if you discrminate against them. For example if I discrminated against Tommy at work because he was racist, I would very much be in the wrong as he is entittled to his view. He though would also be in the wrong to discrminate against someone based on their ethnicity. It works the same for everyone. He is also entittled to be homophobic and to live by such ignorance, what he should not do is dsicrminate against someone because of this.

The fact is most homophobic views do stem from religion and it is where you find the majority whre anti-homosexual.

It is not difficult and you assume wrongly many things.

Religion is bullshit because it has no evidence to back it up, do you believe fairies exist?

So many errors rags:

1. I don't assume anyone who is homophobic is so due to religion, though with those who are just plain homophobic I'd ask why, since their bigotry is even more unjustified.

2. I'm not intolerant toward people with faith, but by default Catholics, Baptists, Sunnys, Tibetan Buddhists etc can't be all be right, ergo most believe in bullshit.

3. I don't think it is because they say gay is wrong they are bullshit, I say Buddhism is BS too and that doctrine has no issue with homosexuality. I believe it is BS because it is built on the idea magic is real- which it obviously isn't.

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You shouldn't assume that anyone who is homophobic must be so on religious grounds - that's not correct and it leads to intolerance against Christians and other religious people.

You say religion is bullshit, so that makes you intolerant against those who have faith. If a Christian thinks that being gay is not wrong, that doesn't give you the right to judge them as following "bullshit".

It does not make him intolerant to religious people but the bull that is proclaimed in the faith. You can still repsect people and get on with themn, even if they hold idiotic views. What is wrong is if you discrminate against them. For example if I discrminatedd againts Tommy at work because he was racist, I would very much be in the wrong as he is entittled to his view. He though would also be in the wrong to discrminate againstg someone based on their ethnicity. It works the same for everyone. He is also entittled to be homophobic and to live by such ignorance, what he should not do is dsicrminate against someone because of this.

The fact is most homophobic views do stem from religion and it is where you find the majority whre anti-homosexual.

It is not difficult and you assume wrongly many things.

Religion is bullshit because it has no evidence to back it up, do you believe fairies exist?

Some the people on this forum are intolerant of religious faith, and some are even hostile to those of faith. They are often the same people who preach to others about tolerance. Why would you want to keep telling people of faith that their beliefs are bullshit? They don't keep harassing you about your beliefs or opinions. There's no need for it - why not just leave them alone and concentrate on your own life?

Eilzel wrote:So many errors rags:

1. I don't assume anyone who is homophobic is so due to religion, though with those who are just plain homophobic I'd ask why, since their bigotry is even more unjustified.

2. I'm not intolerant toward people with faith, but by default Catholics, Baptists, Sunnys, Tibetan Buddhists etc can't be all be right, ergo most believe in bullshit.

3. I don't think it is because they say gay is wrong they are bullshit, I say Buddhism is BS too and that doctrine has no issue with homosexuality. I believe it is BS because it is built on the idea magic is real- which it obviously isn't.

You feel hurt if someone judges you because you're gay right? Why then do you judge people for their faith? Telling them that their faith is "bullshit" is not very nice, is it?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

It does not make him intolerant to religious people but the bull that is proclaimed in the faith. You can still repsect people and get on with themn, even if they hold idiotic views. What is wrong is if you discrminate against them. For example if I discrminatedd againts Tommy at work because he was racist, I would very much be in the wrong as he is entittled to his view. He though would also be in the wrong to discrminate againstg someone based on their ethnicity. It works the same for everyone. He is also entittled to be homophobic and to live by such ignorance, what he should not do is dsicrminate against someone because of this.

The fact is most homophobic views do stem from religion and it is where you find the majority whre anti-homosexual.

It is not difficult and you assume wrongly many things.

Religion is bullshit because it has no evidence to back it up, do you believe fairies exist?

Some the people on this forum are intolerant of religious faith, and some are even hostile to those of faith. They are often the same people who preach to others about tolerance. Why would you want to keep telling people of faith that their beliefs are bullshit? They don't keep harassing you about your beliefs or opinions. There's no need for it - why not just leave them alone and concentrate on your own life?

You are still not grasping this, so lets break this down for you.

Intolerant or tolerant of religious discrminating views on women?

Why do I tell people that religion is bullshit, just as i would someone who believed in fairies as stated, is because there is no evidence. It is as simple as that and where it effects the well being and equality of people, I will be highly critical just as you should be unless you agree in discrminating against people based off beliefs?

Nemesis wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Some the people on this forum are intolerant of religious faith, and some are even hostile to those of faith. They are often the same people who preach to others about tolerance. Why would you want to keep telling people of faith that their beliefs are bullshit? They don't keep harassing you about your beliefs or opinions. There's no need for it - why not just leave them alone and concentrate on your own life?

You are still not grasping this, so lets break this down for you.

Intolerant or tolerant of religious discrminating views on women?

Why do I tell people that religion is bullshit, just as i would someone who believed in fairies as stated, is because there is no evidence. It is as simple as that and where it effects the well being and equality of people, I will be highly critical just as you should be unless you agree in discrminating against people based off beliefs?

So why is it your business what people believe?

There's no point telling people that their faith is "bullshit". You won't change that faith, and it just makes you look like a child throwing a tantrum because you can't make people agree with you.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:So many errors rags:

1. I don't assume anyone who is homophobic is so due to religion, though with those who are just plain homophobic I'd ask why, since their bigotry is even more unjustified.

2. I'm not intolerant toward people with faith, but by default Catholics, Baptists, Sunnys, Tibetan Buddhists etc can't be all be right, ergo most believe in bullshit.

3. I don't think it is because they say gay is wrong they are bullshit, I say Buddhism is BS too and that doctrine has no issue with homosexuality. I believe it is BS because it is built on the idea magic is real- which it obviously isn't.

You feel hurt if someone judges you because you're gay right? Why then do you judge people for their faith? Telling them that their faith is "bullshit" is not very nice, is it?

You avoided points 1 and 2 I noticed.

I'm not intolerant though, because I am not horrible about them and I am not treating them badly in any way whatsoever. If I was a Christian I would by default think anyone not a Christian believes in rubbish, same if I was Muslim or Hindu. By default with religious outlooks if you believe one thing then everyone else MUST believe in nonesense.

I'm not judging those people either. But tell me, if I told you I believe in unicorns and fairies and that we are all floating around space on the back of a turtle and should worship at an Ice Cream parlour every Wednesday, how would you consider my beliefs?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

You are still not grasping this, so lets break this down for you.

Intolerant or tolerant of religious discrminating views on women?

Why do I tell people that religion is bullshit, just as i would someone who believed in fairies as stated, is because there is no evidence. It is as simple as that and where it effects the well being and equality of people, I will be highly critical just as you should be unless you agree in discrminating against people based off beliefs?

So why is it your business what people believe?

There's no point telling people that their faith is "bullshit". You won't change that faith, and it just makes you look like a child throwing a tantrum because you can't make people agree with you.

Sorry, but religious people are the biggest group of people that spout that other religiosu faiths are bullshit. So is that okay for them to say and even use when trying to convert someone? You have not the first clue what you are talking about as again religious people are the worst for claiming other faiths are bullshit in the hope of converting. I again will speak out to views that effect the well being and equality of others, which you seem to think is in some way wrong to condemn. Examples of b ullshit ideas in religion, stonning adulterers, execution for homosexuals etc? So yes there is every point telling people their faith is bullshit when they activelly discrminate against others. If they practice their faith to themselves where it does not effect others, i am very happy with that and wish them well.

You failed to answer my question

Intolerant or tolerant of religious discrminating views on women?