Who knew this about Brievik's attack on the children on Utoya

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Two ethnic Chechen teenagers Movsar Dzhamayev, 17, and Rustam Daudov, 16, who were at the island said later that they were reminded of the war in their native Chechnya. "I have seen people being shot before in my country when I was small and had flashbacks," Dzhamayev said. But after speaking to his father by cell phone, he pulled himself together. "My dad said, 'Attack the perpetrator and do it properly,'" he said. With a third unidentified friend, the teens armed themselves with stones and returned to the scene only to witness Breivik killing another teenager. "We stood three meters from him and wanted to beat him, but then he shot one of our friends in the head. So we just threw the stones and ran for our lives," Daudov said.

The teenagers said that they had decided that it was too difficult to stop the gunman. They discovered a cave-like opening in a rock where they managed to hide 23 children from Breivik. Dzhamayev, who kept guard outside, also dragged three youngsters from the lake who were close to drowning.[98]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks


Don't remember hearing anything about that.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:First Veya, now Irn, some people clearly cannot answer simple questions and continue to deflect.
I suggest you read Sassy's answers Irn, that is your first clue.


Night, hope you answer by the time I look in tomorrow

I've read it. Who is using this story as propaganda to deny there is a problem? If you can answer that then I may be in a position to answer yours.

Dear me, how many more times do you come out with excuses to then demand I answer you before you answer me even though you keep avoiding my question again.
Show me where I made any claim on propaganda?
I never did. You are asking the wrong poster proving you are deflecting away from my questions
Try again

Well you are claiming that these boys are being used by those seeking to deny there is a problem. So if that isn’t accusing ‘them’ (whoever they are) of spouting propaganda then what exactly is it?

I actually asked Victor and you to show me who and where this has happened and had been used for propaganda to do this and you directed me elsewhere. So are you now saying that Victor is wrong and that it isn’t propaganda after all? You were quite supportive of what he has been saying so are you withdrawing that now?

In any event you haven’t been able to come up with people, organisations or
whatever who are using this to deny there is a problem with Muslim extremists so that’ll be that then.

This thread is about two brave boys who stood up to the evil that confronted them and all I’ve seen you do is try and distract it from that by trying desperately to make it out as something that it isn’t.

Come up with evidence to support what you say and I’ll be in a better position to relate that to questions you want me to answer.

Dear me indeed.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Dear me, how many more times do you come out with excuses to then demand I answer you before you answer me even though you keep avoiding my question again.
Show me where I made any claim on propaganda?
I never did. You are asking the wrong poster proving you are deflecting away from my questions
Try again

Well you are claiming that these boys are being used by those seeking to deny there is a problem. So if that isn’t accusing ‘them’ (whoever they are) of spouting propaganda then what exactly is it?

I actually asked Victor and you to show me who and where this has happened and had been used for propaganda to do this and you directed me elsewhere. So are you now saying that Victor is wrong and that it isn’t propaganda after all? You were quite supportive of what he has been saying so are you withdrawing that now?

In any event you haven’t been able to come up with people, organisations or
whatever who are using this to deny there is a problem with Muslim extremists so that’ll be that then.

This thread is about two brave boys who stood up to the evil that confronted them and all I’ve seen you do is try and distract it from that by trying desperately to make it out as something that it isn’t.

Come up with evidence to support what you say and I’ll be in a better position to relate that to questions you want me to answer.

Dear me indeed.

So nothing to answer my questions again.
Only more deflection to now not even admit I never claimed propaganda and now detract to other points I made as if this is going to get you out of answering a simple question.
You had your chance Irn, more than once.
If you cannot answer it is because it leaves you in a position where you would have to agree with me, hence why you refuse to answer.
Its not even a news story Irn, its just a poster of the boys being rightly remebered for their bravery and then backed up with a wiki link.
Sassy created this thread as if to make a media story.
I mean how many threads do you see started on here with wiki articles?
This has to be the first.
That clearlyu must escape your attention.
I have given plenty of evidence over the threads of the problem which is an even graver problem to Muslims themselves. You see where you want to bury your head in the sand, my views is for unity with the majority of Muslims to help counter this growing voice of extremism. I want to also see a reformation in Islam and there are many youths in the Muslim world that want this too and many died trying to obtain this, the wrong time because they were not big enough yet. They want what we have, you fail to see that.

Anyway next time just say you have no answer instead of constantly diverting.

Thank you and goodnight

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Dear me, how many more times do you come out with excuses to then demand I answer you before you answer me even though you keep avoiding my question again.
Show me where I made any claim on propaganda?
I never did. You are asking the wrong poster proving you are deflecting away from my questions
Try again

Well you are claiming that these boys are being used by those seeking to deny there is a problem. So if that isn’t accusing ‘them’ (whoever they are) of spouting propaganda then what exactly is it?

I actually asked Victor and you to show me who and where this has happened and had been used for propaganda to do this and you directed me elsewhere. So are you now saying that Victor is wrong and that it isn’t propaganda after all? You were quite supportive of what he has been saying so are you withdrawing that now?

In any event you haven’t been able to come up with people, organisations or
whatever who are using this to deny there is a problem with Muslim extremists so that’ll be that then.

This thread is about two brave boys who stood up to the evil that confronted them and all I’ve seen you do is try and distract it from that by trying desperately to make it out as something that it isn’t.

Come up with evidence to support what you say and I’ll be in a better position to relate that to questions you want me to answer.

Dear me indeed.

So nothing to answer my questions again.
Only more deflection to now not even admit I never claimed propaganda and now detract to other points I made as if this is going to get you out of answering a simple question.
You had your chance Irn, more than once.
If you cannot answer it is because it leaves you in a position where you would have to agree with me, hence why you refuse to answer.
Its not even a news story Irn, its just a poster of the boys being rightly remebered for their bravery and then backed up with a wiki link.
Sassy created this thread as if to make a media story.
I mean how many threads do you see started on here with wiki articles?
This has to be the first.
That clearlyu must escape your attention.
I have given plenty of evidence over the threads of the problem which is an even graver problem to Muslims themselves. You see where you want to bury your head in the sand, my views is for unity with the majority of Muslims to help counter this growing voice of extremism. I want to also see a reformation in Islam and there are many youths in the Muslim world that want this too and many died trying to obtain this, the wrong time because they were not big enough yet. They want what we have, you fail to see that.

Anyway next time just say you have no answer instead of constantly diverting.

Thank you and goodnight

That's just more deflection for being unable to come up with any credible evidence of who these people are that are using these two boys to deny that there is a problem elsewhere. As for the OP - these two boys do exist don't they? They are real and they did do what the OP says they did, didn't they?

Back up what you say otherwise the questions you are asking me to answer can't be related to this event.

Dear me indeed.

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

That's juts rubbish though tbh. Jimmy Saville was a white middle aged man with grey hair accused of paedophilia, as was Rolf Harris (found guilty) and now Cliff Richard (accused)
So are therenmore stories dug up saying
"Local old gent helping poor children in the area"

No.

So the point vic, and then didge made, is actually valid.

Don't getme wrong, the stories sassy has found are nice - who doesnt like a feel-good story?

But is there people saying deport or worse all the white middle aged man with grey hair????

not really apples with apples

Seriously grow up Irn.
Happy to continue when and if you answer my questions.
You are as bad as Tommy for dodging questions with questions back as if this creates some imaginary shild to protect you from answering.

Good night as you are already making me fall sleepy through sheer boredom and woeful excuses.

Brasidas wrote:Seriously grow up Irn.
Happy to continue when and if you answer my questions.
You are as bad as Tommy for dodging questions with questions back as if this creates some imaginary shild to protect you from answering.

Good night as you are already making me fall sleepy through sheer boredom and woeful excuses.

For all that I have disagreed with Tommy I've never known him to dodge giving me an answer.

That's just another deflection anyway.

Have a good evening

veya_victaous wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

That's juts rubbish though tbh. Jimmy Saville was a white middle aged man with grey hair accused of paedophilia, as was Rolf Harris (found guilty) and now Cliff Richard (accused)
So are therenmore stories dug up saying
"Local old gent helping poor children in the area"

No.

So the point vic, and then didge made, is actually valid.

Don't getme wrong, the stories sassy has found are nice - who doesnt like a feel-good story?

But is there people saying deport or worse all the white middle aged man with grey hair????

not really apples with apples  

No.
I don't say that either though to be fair.

Some middle aged men with grey hair are paedohiles most aren't
I'd like to deport the ones that are.

As it is with Muslims.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Seriously grow up Irn.
Happy to continue when and if you answer my questions.
You are as bad as Tommy for dodging questions with questions back as if this creates some imaginary shild to protect you from answering.

Good night as you are already making me fall sleepy through sheer boredom and woeful excuses.

For all that I have disagreed with Tommy I've never known him to dodge giving me an answer.

That's just another deflection anyway.

Have a good evening

Ha ha ha ha
Its no good further lying we all know he was one of the worst for this and now you defend someone who does as you do, avoid questions by posing questions, as if they sheild you from answering.

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

veya_victaous wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

That's juts rubbish though tbh. Jimmy Saville was a white middle aged man with grey hair accused of paedophilia, as was Rolf Harris (found guilty) and now Cliff Richard (accused)
So are therenmore stories dug up saying
"Local old gent helping poor children in the area"

No.

So the point vic, and then didge made, is actually valid.

Don't getme wrong, the stories sassy has found are nice - who doesnt like a feel-good story?

But is there people saying deport or worse all the white middle aged man with grey hair????

not really apples with apples  

Fuckin'-A, man. There's no cultural crisis over aging pederasts in England, I'd love to see the day ...

Notice how the British right has now moved to "Not all Muslims are bad people, certainly, BUUUUT ..."

Bullshit. Either someone's a criminal or not, makes little difference where they originate from, what superstitions their parents taught them or what other people who quite superficially can be grouped with them have to say about it.

Nationality and citizenship status are the real issue here; Muslims could be everybody's idealized version of Buddhists and you'd still have people hating them. Just as the Bible could explicitly say it was great to be gay and you'd still have homophobes. People who hate the "other" are always going to find some way to justify it.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Notice how the British right has now moved to "Not all Muslims are bad people, certainly, BUUUUT ..."

Bullshit. Either someone's a criminal or not, makes little difference where they originate from, what superstitions their parents taught them or what other people who quite superficially can be grouped with them have to say about it.

Nationality and citizenship status are the real issue here; Muslims could be everybody's idealized version of Buddhists and you'd still have people hating them. Just as the Bible could explicitly say it was great to be gay and you'd still have homophobes. People who hate the "other" are always going to find some way to justify it.

Dear me that is woeful Ben.
Moved to not all?
Since when has that happened when this has been the stance since it has always been debated.
Please do not invent things that has not been said, which the left have a poor habbit of doing.
No, religion is the issue, an interpretation of this religion here because you have a set amount of Muslims that are being taught a very conservative view of Islam, which is at odds with western secular culture and our laws. You can keep burying your head in the sand and ignoring the problem, whilst it continues to grow and affects the Muslim community as well as the Non_Muslim community.
This ideology, nothing more than a detah cult, proposes many views that are odds with the well being and equality of others. If this was a substanical amount of Christians following Dominionism in the US you would be rightly concerned also. We are talking about those who wish to have a Theocratic society based on religious works, ones that seek to punish people if they are critical of their faith, to execute adulterers, Homosexuals etc. Seriously, if there was a religious belief around wanting to execute Blacks for being blacks and were commiting violence against blacks. Would you go its okay not to worry about white supremacists because the majority of white people are alright?
No you would not. This is not about castigating all Muslims but the growing number that holds views that are at odds with a secular way of life.

Ben is not keen on the English, he often has little "knocks" against them. haven't you noticed?

Actually, to be accurate, it's the British Right he has knocks against, and you don't have to be American to do that!

nicko wrote:Ben is not keen on the English,  he often has little "knocks"  against them.  haven't you noticed?

No, I HAVE NOT noticed that.  I think he is delighted to have all of those we enjoy from the UK, not just the English.  Y'all do eat your Wheaties© every morning, hence you do get a head of steam up in your **ahem** debates.  But all-in-all it's fun.

Why nicko...have you been naughty?

Still have vivid and lurid memories of Tom Sawyer (from a lesser forum) wildly celebrating ever bullet that slammed home until he realised they were caucasion kids not ethnic Muslims.
This massacre must NEVERbe forgotten.

Brasidas wrote wrote:I Ha ha ha ha
Its no good further lying we all know he was one of the worst for this and now you defend someone who does as you do, avoid questions by posing questions, as if they sheild you from answering.
Try again:

Futher lying Didge!! My, you really are grasping at straws now with this accusation that I have lied. Tell you what though, I’ll give you a break by giving you the  chance  to show them to me – and they had better be good.
Face it Didge, this introduction of Tommy  (who has not been around here in days) was just another deflection attempt, wasn’t  it? And of course he isn't here so I suppose that suited you as well.

Brasidas wrote wrote:I Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence? :

Didge old bean, I entered this debate asking what the problem was with this article and you told me that people were using it to deny there was a problem elsewhere and all I’m asking is for you to show me who these people are and where it has been used to do that. Now that’s not unreasonable is it so why don’t you back up what you say instead of ducking and diving about all over the place throwing out deflections like confetti?  You really do need to do that so that I can see what you think are the similarities between this and the examples you are giving so on you go.

Deal with the lying part first please

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote wrote:I Ha ha ha ha
Its no good further lying we all know he was one of the worst for this and now you defend someone who does as you do, avoid questions by posing questions, as if they sheild you from answering.
Try again:

Futher lying Didge!! My, you really are grasping at straws now with this accusation that I have lied. Tell you what though, I’ll give you a break by giving you the  chance  to show them to me – and they had better be good.
Face it Didge, this introduction of Tommy  (who has not been around here in days) was just another deflection attempt, wasn’t  it? And of course he isn't here so I suppose that suited you as well.

Brasidas wrote wrote:I Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence? :

Didge old bean, I entered this debate asking what the problem was with this article and you told me that people were using it to deny there was a problem elsewhere and all I’m asking is for you to show me who these people are and where it has been used to do that. Now that’s not unreasonable is it so why don’t you back up what you say instead of ducking and diving about all over the place throwing out deflections like confetti?  You really do need to do that so that I can see what you think are the similarities between this and the examples you are giving so on you go.

Deal with the lying part first please

Nope still more pathetic excuses not to answer now even worse than Tommy it seems

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote wrote:I Ha ha ha ha
Its no good further lying we all know he was one of the worst for this and now you defend someone who does as you do, avoid questions by posing questions, as if they sheild you from answering.
Try again:

Futher lying Didge!! My, you really are grasping at straws now with this accusation that I have lied. Tell you what though, I’ll give you a break by giving you the  chance  to show them to me – and they had better be good.
Face it Didge, this introduction of Tommy  (who has not been around here in days) was just another deflection attempt, wasn’t  it? And of course he isn't here so I suppose that suited you as well.

Brasidas wrote wrote:I Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence? :

Didge old bean, I entered this debate asking what the problem was with this article and you told me that people were using it to deny there was a problem elsewhere and all I’m asking is for you to show me who these people are and where it has been used to do that. Now that’s not unreasonable is it so why don’t you back up what you say instead of ducking and diving about all over the place throwing out deflections like confetti?  You really do need to do that so that I can see what you think are the similarities between this and the examples you are giving so on you go.

Deal with the lying part first please

Nope still more pathetic excuses not to answer now even worse than Tommy it seems

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

The lies bit Didge. Did you forget that?

And my answer after the lies bit still applies because you can't come up with any organisation that has used these two boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere therefore your points are,,,,,well pointless really because I can't compare this with the examples you are giving.

Have another go.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Nope still more pathetic excuses not to answer now even worse than Tommy it seems

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

The lies bit Didge. Did you forget that?

And my answer after the lies bit still applies because you can't come up with any organisation that has used these two boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere therefore your points are,,,,,well pointless really because I can't compare this with the examples you are giving.

Have another go.

More woeful excuse, more attempts to weasel out of answering clearly in fear to do so.

So Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Nope still more pathetic excuses not to answer now even worse than Tommy it seems

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

The lies bit Didge. Did you forget that?

And my answer after the lies bit still applies because you can't come up with any organisation that has used these two boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere therefore your points are,,,,,well pointless really because I can't compare this with the examples you are giving.

Have another go.

More woeful excuse, more attempts to weasel out of answering clearly in fear to do so.

So Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

You can't support your lying claim and you can't support your claim that these boys have been used to deny there is a problem elsewhere either.

A whammy, in fact a double whammy Didge just you making claims you can't back up.

I'd concentrate in getting your signature correct if I were you. What's that, three goes now. You're hopeless

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

More woeful excuse, more attempts to weasel out of answering clearly in fear to do so.

So Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

You can't support your lying claim and you can't support your claim that these boys have been used to deny there is a problem elsewhere either.

A whammy, in fact a double whammy Didge just you making claims you can't back up.

I'd concentrate in getting your signature correct if I were you. What's that, three goes now. You're hopeless

How many more times is Irn going to deflect again and again and now has taken Tommy's crown for avoiding simple questions.
This is hilarious, I love it

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

As to your lying I can post countless threads with debate with Tommy, not only from me and others where he dodges questioins by asking questions and when they are answered he then throws more questions in in the poor attempt to avoid answering mine and others questions.
So does that show you are a liar claiming he does always answer?
You bet it does buddy.

So again Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

More woeful excuse, more attempts to weasel out of answering clearly in fear to do so.

So Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

You can't support your lying claim and you can't support your claim that these boys have been used to deny there is a problem elsewhere either.

A whammy, in fact a double whammy Didge just you making claims you can't back up.

I'd concentrate in getting your signature correct if I were you. What's that, three goes now. You're hopeless

How many more times is Irn going to deflect again and again and now has taken Tommy's crown for avoiding simple questions.
This is hilarious, I love it

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Of course you love it Didge. Making claims you can't back up or answer reasonable questions is your hallmark.

Keep it up.

The lies?

The evidence?

Where is it - you don't have it do you?

Brasidas wrote:As to your lying I can post countless threads with debate with Tommy, not only from me and others where he dodges questioins by asking questions and when they are answered he then throws more questions in in the poor attempt to avoid answering mine and others questions.
So does that show you are a liar claiming he does always answer?
You bet it does buddy.

So again Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

This has nothing to do with Tommy. He is not here and has played no part in this discussion. You're just bringing him up as a diversion - it really is that obvious.

eddie wrote:..........................

That's juts rubbish though tbh. Jimmy Saville was a white middle aged man with grey hair accused of paedophilia, as was Rolf Harris (found guilty) and now Cliff Richard (accused)

......................

ROLF HARRIS wasn't charged or convicted with "Paedophilia".
HE was charged with sexual assault of underage girls ~ that's why he was only sentenced for three years, where a "paedophilia" conviction would have brought a few more years.
IT WAS only certain British "journalists" and shock jocks accusing him of more "paedophilia" activities...

CLIFF RICHARDS accusers ~ have they even presented any evidence against him, as yet ?
THE British Press and Police are always too ready to name their accused and suspects in so many serious crimes - whether sexual assaults, paedophiles, kidnapping, terrorism ~ and then they only end up charging around 25->30% of them ??

NOT to worry about ruining innocent peoples' lives, or checking their facts first...
THAT'S NOT the mass media's or the police's worry or responsibility..

AND AT the same time, the British Police "forces" reward and champion those brave anti-terrorist police who murdered that Brazilian student in that train carriage a few years ago, exacerbating their wrong decision all the while by maintaining the employment of those murderous pigs within the police service. CLAIMING afterwards that the British Police can kill anyone they like, simply on the grounds that they don't like or trust their appearance ?  

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:As to your lying I can post countless threads with debate with Tommy, not only from me and others where he dodges questioins by asking questions and when they are answered he then throws more questions in in the poor attempt to avoid answering mine and others questions.
So does that show you are a liar claiming he does always answer?
You bet it does buddy.

So again Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

This has nothing to do with Tommy. He is not here and has played no part in this discussion. You're just bringing him up as a diversion - it really is that obvious.

Dear me and still in fear to answer some simple questions.


Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

You do realise that when someone commits peadophilia they are charged with sexual crimes against an underage child Lone Wolf?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:As to your lying I can post countless threads with debate with Tommy, not only from me and others where he dodges questioins by asking questions and when they are answered he then throws more questions in in the poor attempt to avoid answering mine and others questions.
So does that show you are a liar claiming he does always answer?
You bet it does buddy.

So again Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

This has nothing to do with Tommy. He is not here and has played no part in this discussion. You're just bringing him up as a diversion - it really is that obvious.

Dear me and still in fear to answer some simple questions.


Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Making claims you can't back up or answer reasonable questions is your hallmark.

Keep it up.

The lies?

The evidence?

Where is it - you don't have it do you?

Nope

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Brasidas wrote:Nope

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Can you show me the people who are making the claims that these boys were used to deny there is a problem elsewhere so that I can relate it to the examples you are showing me here?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Nope

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Can you show me the people who are making the claims that these boys were used to deny there is a problem elsewhere so that I can relate it to the examples you are showing me here?

Still waiting


Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?[/

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Nope

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Can you show me the people who are making the claims that these boys were used to deny there is a problem elsewhere so that I can relate it to the examples you are showing me here?

Still waiting


Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?[/

You lied that I was lying didn't you Didge?

You never had any information that these boys were being used either, did you Ddge?

You've been rumbled Didge

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

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You lied that I was lying didn't you Didge?

You never had any information that these boys were being used either, did you Ddge?

You've been rumbled Didge

I explained how you were baught out lying Irn, seriously your just looking even m,ore woeful as all can see you are avoiding answering the questons.
Shall call you Tommy from now on ha ha

I have things to do, so will see if you provide another feeble reply

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Night Tommy





Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

?[/

You lied that I was lying didn't you Didge?

You never had any information that these boys were being used either, did you Ddge?

You've been rumbled Didge

I explained how you were baught out lying Irn, seriously your just looking even m,ore woeful as all can see you are avoiding answering the questons.
Shall call you Tommy from now on  ha ha

I have things to do, so will see if you provide another feeble reply

Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Night Tommy





Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

I'm sorry Didge but you haven't caught me out lying because I haven't lied and I've even asked you to show me where I have. You have failed to do this just as you have failed to support the other claims you have been making on here.

Accusing someone of lying s a rotten thing to do and you now do it all the time. 'You're lying', 'liar','it's all lies' is what drips off you so often now you chuck it around like confetti. It's a weak form of debate usually coming from someone who has been backed into a corner when their argument has hit the buffers.

It's a cheap shot, nothing more but of course you have the chance to prove it and I'd suggest you take it by supporting what you say and the claims you are making..

IRN...The O/P is an islamophile sound bite

simples.....

the TEXT of course is a straightforward extract and factual

the picture...doctored as it is with loaded narrative is a farcical and cynical attempt to gain some sort of traction for the "poor much maligned Muslims"

THAT makes it PROPAGANDA.......


and there is no answer you can make that can or will negate that.....

In Fact the purveyors of that propaganda piece are cynically using those two lads incredible bravery and quick wittedness to advance their (lefty) agenda...

disgraceful....

darknessss wrote:IRN...The O/P is an islamophile sound bite

simples.....

the TEXT of course is a straightforward extract and factual

the picture...doctored as it is with loaded narrative is a farcical and cynical attempt to gain some sort of traction for the "poor much maligned Muslims"

THAT makes it PROPAGANDA.......


and there is no answer you can make that can or will negate that.....

Victor, I keep hearing this but who are these people that are spouting this propaganda and what is their agenda? If this was propaganda why haven't we been bombarded with it and seen more of it with these groups identifying themselves with a cause?

Irn Bru wrote:

darknessss wrote:IRN...The O/P is an islamophile sound bite

simples.....

the TEXT of course is a straightforward extract and factual

the picture...doctored as it is with loaded narrative is a farcical and cynical attempt to gain some sort of traction for the "poor much maligned Muslims"

THAT makes it PROPAGANDA.......


and there is no answer you can make that can or will negate that.....

Victor, I keep hearing this but who are these people that are spouting this propaganda and what is their agenda? If this was propaganda why haven't we been bombarded with it and seen more of it with these groups identifying themselves with a cause?

I keep watching someone keep constantly deflect when faced with difficult questions, not only to me but now Victor.
So tell me Irn another simple question for you.
What is more pressing a matter.
The statehood of Palestine or the Islamic state?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

darknessss wrote:IRN...The O/P is an islamophile sound bite

simples.....

the TEXT of course is a straightforward extract and factual

the picture...doctored as it is with loaded narrative is a farcical and cynical attempt to gain some sort of traction for the "poor much maligned Muslims"

THAT makes it PROPAGANDA.......


and there is no answer you can make that can or will negate that.....

Victor, I keep hearing this but who are these people that are spouting this propaganda and what is their agenda? If this was propaganda why haven't we been bombarded with it and seen more of it with these groups identifying themselves with a cause?

I keep watching someone keep constantly deflect when faced with difficult questions, not only to me but now Victor.
So tell me Irn another simple question for you.
What is more pressing a matter.
The statehood of Palestine or the Islamic state?
 

What the hell has that got to do with these two boys and this article?

Is Victor Correct and it is propaganda after all - a word you couldn't bring yourself to use?

You keep coming out with all these questions whilst ignoring the one I have been asking all along.

Who are these people and where has it been used as propaganda. That's all I'm asking

And of course your claim that I have lied further remains on the agenda. Can you deal with that as well?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

I keep watching someone keep constantly deflect when faced with difficult questions, not only to me but now Victor.
So tell me Irn another simple question for you.
What is more pressing a matter.
The statehood of Palestine or the Islamic state?
 

What the hell has that got to do with these two boys and this article?
Deflection followed by a lol as if to produce a magic trick
Is Victor Correct and it is propaganda after all - a word you couldn't bring yourself to use?
I never made no claim, you wrongly look a twat claiming I did by asking me. Seriously you are one thick dummy Irn and even now look and even bigger cunnus
You keep coming out with all these questions whilst ignoring the one I have been asking all along.
I will keep coming out with them because you are a wet left wing twat who keeps wanting to deny the truth.
If you want some respect, then earn this, because at the moment you are one pathetic weasel evading every single point.
Who are these people and where has it been used as propaganda. That's all I'm asking

And of course your claim that I have lied further remains on the agenda. Can you deal with that as well?

How many times have you come out with excuses to my original questions Irn?
That says it all about your woeful attempts to not see the truth.

One word

Pathetic

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

I keep watching someone keep constantly deflect when faced with difficult questions, not only to me but now Victor.
So tell me Irn another simple question for you.
What is more pressing a matter.
The statehood of Palestine or the Islamic state?
 

What the hell has that got to do with these two boys and this article?
Deflection followed by a lol as if to produce a magic trick
Is Victor Correct and it is propaganda after all - a word you couldn't bring yourself to use?
I never made no claim, you wrongly look a twat claiming I did by asking me. Seriously you are one thick dummy Irn and even now look and even bigger cunnus
You keep coming out with all these questions whilst ignoring the one I have been asking all along.
I will keep coming out with them because you are a wet left wing twat who keeps wanting to deny the truth.
If you want some respect, then earn this, because at the moment you are one pathetic weasel evading every single point.
Who are these people and where has it been used as propaganda. That's all I'm asking

And of course your claim that I have lied further remains on the agenda. Can you deal with that as well?

How many times have you come out with excuses to my original questions Irn?
That says it all about your woeful attempts to not see the truth.

One word

Pathetic

No Didge, the original question is mine; the one I have been asking right from the start which you won't answer. You just divert away to a whole load of other questions to avoid the issue. I'm quite happy to answer your questions once you tell me who these people are that are using these boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere because only then can I relate what these people are claiming to the questions you are asking.

It's a favourite trick of yours to ask questions and then bleat like a wee bairn that your questions are not being answered. You've been rumbled on that so wise up and deal with what I'm asking you.

Oh and of course the further lies you are claiming I have told. Can you deal with that as well.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

How many times have you come out with excuses to my original questions Irn?
That says it all about your woeful attempts to not see the truth.

One word

Pathetic

No Didge, the original question is mine; the one I have been asking right from the start which you won't answer. You just divert away to a whole load of other questions to avoid the issue. I'm quite happy to answer your questions once you tell me who these people are that are using these boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere because only then can I relate what these people are claiming to the questions you are asking.

It's a favourite trick of yours to ask questions and then bleat like a wee bairn that your questions are not being answered. You've been rumbled on that so wise up and deal with what I'm asking you.

Oh and of course the further lies you are claiming I have told. Can you deal with that as well.

No Irn, no more excuses, it is getting utterly pathetic now.
At every turn you are coming out with these lame excuses.
Man up, its pathetic
So if you are happy to answer my questions, then answer them.
Answering questions does not require conditions.
I am going to keep making you look the weasel you are by the fact all can see you are avoiding every point made to you.
Either answer the points or crawl away like a weasel mate, because you are being an utter weasel at the moment.

Now after over 10 times asking. Do you have an answer to my questions.
If not after so long I have to take the view you do not, afraid to because you would agree with me.
The choice is yours.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

How many times have you come out with excuses to my original questions Irn?
That says it all about your woeful attempts to not see the truth.

One word

Pathetic

No Didge, the original question is mine; the one I have been asking right from the start which you won't answer. You just divert away to a whole load of other questions to avoid the issue. I'm quite happy to answer your questions once you tell me who these people are that are using these boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere because only then can I relate what these people are claiming to the questions you are asking.

It's a favourite trick of yours to ask questions and then bleat like a wee bairn that your questions are not being answered. You've been rumbled on that so wise up and deal with what I'm asking you.

Oh and of course the further lies you are claiming I have told. Can you deal with that as well.

No Irn, no more excuses, it is getting utterly pathetic now.
At every turn you are coming out with these lame excuses.
Man up, its pathetic
So if you are happy to answer my questions, then answer them.
Answering questions does not require conditions.
I am going to keep making you look the weasel you are by the fact all can see you are avoiding every point made to you.
Either answer the points or crawl away like a weasel mate, because you are being an utter weasel at the moment.

Now after over 10 times asking. Do you have an answer to my questions.
If not after so long I have to take the view you do not, afraid to because you would agree with me.
The choice is yours.

Of course they don't require conditions - so whats stopping you telling me what I have been asking right from the start;

Who are these people that are using these boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere.

Surely if you say there are people using them then for that purpose then it really shouldn't be difficult for you to tell me who they are and where they have been doing this. It really is that simple.

And the claim of further lies remains to be dealt with.

And getting angry and resorting to petty name calling as you are doing isn't really helping, is it?

Shall I cal you a cab?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

No Irn, no more excuses, it is getting utterly pathetic now.
At every turn you are coming out with these lame excuses.
Man up, its pathetic
So if you are happy to answer my questions, then answer them.
Answering questions does not require conditions.
I am going to keep making you look the weasel you are by the fact all can see you are avoiding every point made to you.
Either answer the points or crawl away like a weasel mate, because you are being an utter weasel at the moment.

Now after over 10 times asking. Do you have an answer to my questions.
If not after so long I have to take the view you do not, afraid to because you would agree with me.
The choice is yours.

Of course they don't require conditions - so whats stopping you telling me what I have been asking right from the start;

Who are these people that are using these boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere.  

Surely if you say there are people using them then for that purpose then it really shouldn't be difficult for you to tell me who they are and where they have been doing this. It really is that simple.

And the claim of further lies remains to be dealt with.

And getting angry and resorting to petty name calling as you are doing isn't really helping, is it?

Shall I cal you a cab?

Seriously how olld are you?
Is the reference to a cab in regards to drinking?
How lame is that lol Not angry just amased you can even get out of bed everyday.
I mean I do not drink yet you like I guess to abuse people who do actually have a drink problem by such comments showing how immature you really are.
I have no doubt people just walk by and slap you in the face because you are that insulting to look at?



We all know the real reason why you are afraid to answer, nothing but an appeaser.
Well all can see what a weasel you are for not being able to answer simple questions which proves you are an appeaser.
Your method has been tried before at in ended in 60 million deaths, showing how incompetant some of the left really are.

So thanks for proving this further Tommy

Brasidas wrote:    
Seriously how olld are you?
Is the reference to a cab in regards to drinking?
How lame is that lol Not angry just amased you can even get out of bed everyday.
I mean I do not drink yet you like I guess to abuse people who do actually have a drink problem by such comments showing how immature you really are.
I have no doubt people just walk by and slap you in the face because you are that insulting to look at?

Oh don’t be so ridiculous, I never mentioned anything about drinking problems and I couldn’t care less if you do have one and I would suggest that you direct that accusation at those who say you have  a drinking problem, not me. This is just another one of your fairy tales that you have brought up to disguise the fact that you can’t support the accusations that you have been making on here. Get a grip Didge FGS.

Brasidas wrote:    
We all know the real reason why you are afraid to answer, nothing but an appeaser.
Well all can see what a weasel you are for not being able to answer simple questions which proves you are an appeaser.
Your method has been tried before at in ended in 60 million deaths, showing how incompetant some of the left really are.

So thanks for proving this further Tommy
   

Who are these people that you refer to as ‘we’? You really do have a very high opinion of yourself when you self-appoint yourself as a spokesman for a group of people. I take it that you have notified all these people of your new status around here

And I’m just asking you who these people are that are using these boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere. So surely if you know who they are and you have actually seen this then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to tell me who they are and where they have been doing this. You really do need to come up with that  or else the people that you refer to as ‘we’ will be draw the conclusion that you have just been making it up all along  - It really is that simple.

And the claim of ‘further lies’ remains to be dealt with as well so I really would appreciate you clearing that up.

And I would think that Tommy must be laughing his cotton socks off sitting back reading all these references you keep making to him which will make him think that he is the person responsible for having chased you off the Flap board.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:    
Seriously how olld are you?
Is the reference to a cab in regards to drinking?
How lame is that lol Not angry just amased you can even get out of bed everyday.
I mean I do not drink yet you like I guess to abuse people who do actually have a drink problem by such comments showing how immature you really are.
I have no doubt people just walk by and slap you in the face because you are that insulting to look at?

Oh don’t be so ridiculous, I never mentioned anything about drinking problems and I couldn’t care less if you do have one and I would suggest that you direct that accusation at those who say you have  a drinking problem, not me. This is just another one of your fairy tales that you have brought up to disguise the fact that you can’t support the accusations that you have been making on here. Get a grip Didge FGS.

Brasidas wrote:    
We all know the real reason why you are afraid to answer, nothing but an appeaser.
Well all can see what a weasel you are for not being able to answer simple questions which proves you are an appeaser.
Your method has been tried before at in ended in 60 million deaths, showing how incompetant some of the left really are.

So thanks for proving this further Tommy
   

Who are these people that you refer to as ‘we’? You really do have a very high opinion of yourself when you self-appoint yourself as a spokesman for a group of people. I take it that you have notified all these people of your new status around here

And I’m just asking you who these people are that are using these boys to deny there is a problem elsewhere. So surely if you know who they are and you have actually seen this then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to tell me who they are and where they have been doing this. You really do need to come up with that  or else the people that you refer to as ‘we’ will be draw the conclusion that you have just been making it up all along  - It really is that simple.

And the claim of ‘further lies’ remains to be dealt with as well so I really would appreciate you clearing that up.

And I would think that Tommy must be laughing his cotton socks off sitting back reading all these references you keep making to him which will make him think that he is the person responsible for having chased you off the Flap board.

What a liar, what other refernece could it mean in needed to call someone a cab home, which is often used when someone has had to much to drink. That shows what a pathetic little liar you really are when caught out. So no its not me that needs to get a grip it is you being so underhanded to attempt to get at a poster because of when they went through a time of drinking heavily at the loss of two family memebers. It proves what a pathetic weasel you really are Irn on every level.

At every turn you have avoided the questions placed to you namely because the morderation position has gone to your head which makes you wrongly believe you can get out of answering questions posed to you. This was not even a news article and presented off the back of Wiki to show only Two survivors of this attrocity carried out by Brevik based on them being Muslim. You wrongly made claims to me on propaganda and then side tracked when shown your error and at every turn have given feeble excuses not to answer simple questions which will continue to be posted until you do answer.


Try again

Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?