Who knew this about Brievik's attack on the children on Utoya

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:19 pm

Two ethnic Chechen teenagers Movsar Dzhamayev, 17, and Rustam Daudov, 16, who were at the island said later that they were reminded of the war in their native Chechnya. "I have seen people being shot before in my country when I was small and had flashbacks," Dzhamayev said. But after speaking to his father by cell phone, he pulled himself together. "My dad said, 'Attack the perpetrator and do it properly,'" he said. With a third unidentified friend, the teens armed themselves with stones and returned to the scene only to witness Breivik killing another teenager. "We stood three meters from him and wanted to beat him, but then he shot one of our friends in the head. So we just threw the stones and ran for our lives," Daudov said.

The teenagers said that they had decided that it was too difficult to stop the gunman. They discovered a cave-like opening in a rock where they managed to hide 23 children from Breivik. Dzhamayev, who kept guard outside, also dragged three youngsters from the lake who were close to drowning.[98]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

Don't remember hearing anything about that.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:32 pm

and of course they did it BECAUSE they are Muslims

rather than its what anyone with the background they had would likely do...

Its probably MORE relevant (to anyone other than the muslimophiles) that they were youngsters, sadly experienced in that sort of thing and had balls of brass....

well done them

NOT so well donr the "muslimophiles" for trying to make capital of it...racists....

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:34 pm

The reason why their courage was not publicised at the time was because they were Muslim. Publicied in Norway because they are not racist, not publised in UK etc, because they are.

by eddie Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:48 pm

risingsun wrote:The reason why their courage was not publicised at the time was because they were Muslim. Publicied in Norway because they are not racist, not publised in UK etc, because they are.

The UK is racist???? Are you kidding me?
I'd say our government bends over backwards to avoid coming across as racist!!!

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:50 pm

There are many things that happen that put Muslims in a good light that never get into the British press.

by eddie Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:51 pm

risingsun wrote:There are many things that happen that put Muslims in a good light that never get into the British press.

And many things that are covered up too.
In fact, Id say the BBC, for instance, go out of their way to put Muslims in a good light and have quite a few Asian newsreaders....

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:53 pm

WAHHH!!!!! we are all wictims of wacism

Rolling Eyes

and I thought the jews had the market on victim status...

the only difference is the Muslims have got "some" non Muslims...to do their "victim" act for them

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:55 pm

For example, how many papers carried this:

http://news.yahoo.com/norwegian-Muslims-form-human-ring-around-oslo-synagogue-102527616.html

Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue

OSLO (Reuters) - More than 1000 Muslims formed a human shield around Oslo's synagogue on Saturday, offering symbolic protection for the city's Jewish community and condemning an attack on a synagogue in neighboring Denmark last weekend.

Chanting "No to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia," Norway's Muslims formed what they called a ring of peace a week after Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein, a Danish-born son of Palestinian immigrants, killed two people at a synagogue and an event promoting free speech in Copenhagen last weekend.

"Humanity is one and we are here to demonstrate that," Zeeshan Abdullah, one of the protest's organizers told a crowd of Muslim immigrants and ethnic Norwegians who filled the small street around Oslo's only functioning synagogue.

"There are many more peace mongers than warmongers," Abdullah said as organizers and Jewish community leaders stood side by side. "There’s still hope for humanity, for peace and love, across religious differences and backgrounds."

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:56 pm

Lets actually think about all the victims of this terrible event.
My heart goes out to all who were caught up in this nightmare, not just two of them.
Of what relevance would the story of these two survivors made at the time.
Countless families had just lost their children by a far right wing extremist. It matters little what faith they were, as they were all children.

by eddie Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:01 pm

risingsun wrote:For example, how many papers carried this:

http://news.yahoo.com/norwegian-Muslims-form-human-ring-around-oslo-synagogue-102527616.html

Norway's Muslims form protective human ring around synagogue

OSLO (Reuters) - More than 1000 Muslims formed a human shield around Oslo's synagogue on Saturday, offering symbolic protection for the city's Jewish community and condemning an attack on a synagogue in neighboring Denmark last weekend.

Chanting "No to anti-Semitism, no to Islamophobia," Norway's Muslims formed what they called a ring of peace a week after Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein, a Danish-born son of Palestinian immigrants, killed two people at a synagogue and an event promoting free speech in Copenhagen last weekend.

"Humanity is one and we are here to demonstrate that," Zeeshan Abdullah, one of the protest's organizers told a crowd of Muslim immigrants and ethnic Norwegians who filled the small street around Oslo's only functioning synagogue.

"There are many more peace mongers than warmongers," Abdullah said as organizers and Jewish community leaders stood side by side. "There’s still hope for humanity, for peace and love, across religious differences and backgrounds."

Point taken on that score. Good story.

Trouble is, this kind of thing needs to happen here in the UK, and if and when it does, it should be made more public.
Having said that of course, more needs to be made of the bad among the Muslims - instead of tippy-toeing around the truth.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:22 pm

Who the hell tiptoes around anything. They do their very best to make everyone scared silly of Muslims and to make out every Muslim is out to get you. There are loads of cases like that in the the UK, never go on to our newspapers. How about the Muslims who went out in a snowstorm to push cars up a hill that were stuck so they could get home? Loads of stories like that.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:28 pm

risingsun wrote:Who the hell tiptoes around anything. They do their very best to make everyone scared silly of Muslims and to make out every Muslim is out to get you. There are loads of cases like that in the the UK, never go on to our newspapers. How about the Muslims who went out in a snowstorm to push cars up a hill that were stuck so they could get home? Loads of stories like that.

Oh there are plenty of decvent Muslims, but when you have a quarter that have sympathy with motives of murder based on their religion, you start to have a big problem in the country. The problem is a view os Islam one that is extreme is gaining ground over those Muslims who are not and its time to stop ignoring that with examples of when Muslims do good, because it ignores the ones that hold a view at odds with the well being and equality of people.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:29 pm

risingsun wrote:Who the hell tiptoes around anything. They do their very best to make everyone scared silly of Muslims and to make out every Muslim is out to get you. There are loads of cases like that in the the UK, never go on to our newspapers. How about the Muslims who went out in a snowstorm to push cars up a hill that were stuck so they could get home? Loads of stories like that.

oh so what is in actuality common neighbourliness and happens all over whenever such things occur is now "newsworthy" ...becasue some Muslims do it as well???

what about the generally unreported REGULAR (as in almost every year) actions of farmers in rural areas...generally walkes and scotland truning out...despite being busy with tractors to pull the idiots who think a ford Ka is an antarctic snowmobile out of the deep white stuff???

Ahhh...but that dont count does it....

half a dozen Muslims do it and suddenly its "news worthy"

talk about wanting "special traetment"

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:34 pm

This one managed a local paper:

South Yorkshire Muslims spread message of peace with good deeds

Muslims in South Yorkshire have taken part in a series of good deeds in their communities to spread a message of peace.

Volunteers from youth group Muslims for Humanity gave up their time to collect litter, plant trees and pay a visit to sick children and old folk.

The group, which is part of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AMYA), planted some 1,000 saplings in Worsbrough, Barnsley, alongside volunteers from Green Fingered Worsbrough Wanders, The Mill Academy Primary School and Voluntary Action Barnsley.

AMYA youth leader for South Yorkshire, Shahzad Ahmad, said: “Our hope is that by improving community relations and helping to beautify our surroundings we can work towards preventing destruction and hatred and bring communities together to work for peace.”

Barnsley Coun Roy Miller said: “This tree planting scheme is a significant contribution towards Barnsley Council’s commitment to the Nature Improvement Area. I am delighted so many volunteers have agreed to work with us on the day to bring this to fruition.

“These trees will increase the wildlife value of the site while also alleviating flooding and climate change.”

Earlier this month, AMYA volunteers were on the streets of Shirecliffe in Sheffield for a litter pick.

The volunteers joined Jason Colley from the Clean Shirecliffe Co-operative for the litter pick, which aimed to go towards keeping Britain’s streets clean.

Shahzad said: “Cleanliness is an integral part of our faith. Giving up a couple of hours can make a huge difference.”

Jason added: “It is great to work with the AMYA group. They are more committed to making the world a better place for everyone to live in than any other religious group I have met.”

Towards the end of last year the group also visited the wards at Sheffield Children’s Hospital and old people at the Springwood residential nursing home to give gifts and spread cheer.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/south-yorkshire-Muslims-spread-message-of-peace-with-good-deeds-1-7040707

by eddie Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:34 pm

risingsun wrote:Who the hell tiptoes around anything. They do their very best to make everyone scared silly of Muslims and to make out every Muslim is out to get you. There are loads of cases like that in the the UK, never go on to our newspapers. How about the Muslims who went out in a snowstorm to push cars up a hill that were stuck so they could get home? Loads of stories like that.

The BBC news I am mainly talking about sassy. They always tip-toe round stuff and at times, dint even report on stuff.
They try bloody hard not to use the word "terrorists" too.

I have Muslim neighbours, I know how helpful they can be.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:35 pm

So am I talking about the BBC news.

by eddie Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:36 pm

risingsun wrote:So am I talking about the BBC news.

Well you and I must watch different news then because I've seen the same story about Muslims on BBC and channel four and you'd think they were two different news items!

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:38 pm

risingsun wrote:This one managed a local paper:

South Yorkshire Muslims spread message of peace with good deeds

Muslims in South Yorkshire have taken part in a series of good deeds in their communities to spread a message of peace.

Volunteers from youth group Muslims for Humanity gave up their time to collect litter, plant trees and pay a visit to sick children and old folk.

The group, which is part of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AMYA), planted some 1,000 saplings in Worsbrough, Barnsley, alongside volunteers from Green Fingered Worsbrough Wanders, The Mill Academy Primary School and Voluntary Action Barnsley.

AMYA youth leader for South Yorkshire, Shahzad Ahmad, said: “Our hope is that by improving community relations and helping to beautify our surroundings we can work towards preventing destruction and hatred and bring communities together to work for peace.”

Barnsley Coun Roy Miller said: “This tree planting scheme is a significant contribution towards Barnsley Council’s commitment to the Nature Improvement Area. I am delighted so many volunteers have agreed to work with us on the day to bring this to fruition.

“These trees will increase the wildlife value of the site while also alleviating flooding and climate change.”

Earlier this month, AMYA volunteers were on the streets of Shirecliffe in Sheffield for a litter pick.

The volunteers joined Jason Colley from the Clean Shirecliffe Co-operative for the litter pick, which aimed to go towards keeping Britain’s streets clean.

Shahzad said: “Cleanliness is an integral part of our faith. Giving up a couple of hours can make a huge difference.”

Jason added: “It is great to work with the AMYA group. They are more committed to making the world a better place for everyone to live in than any other religious group I have met.”

Towards the end of last year the group also visited the wards at Sheffield Children’s Hospital and old people at the Springwood residential nursing home to give gifts and spread cheer.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/south-yorkshire-Muslims-spread-message-of-peace-with-good-deeds-1-7040707

Funny innit

when the Scouts and cubs do that ...nothing gets heard....(unless it happens to be a Muslim troop)

and yet they do this sort of thig all the time

as do many organisations....

yet they are not considered newsworthy....

perhaps because they dont have over 1/4 of their membership who support murder

perhaps because its not unusual...

but more likely becuase thay havnt got an "aunty lefty" working for them....and they just "do it"

by eddie Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:40 pm

darknessss wrote:
risingsun wrote:This one managed a local paper:

South Yorkshire Muslims spread message of peace with good deeds

Muslims in South Yorkshire have taken part in a series of good deeds in their communities to spread a message of peace.

Volunteers from youth group Muslims for Humanity gave up their time to collect litter, plant trees and pay a visit to sick children and old folk.

The group, which is part of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AMYA), planted some 1,000 saplings in Worsbrough, Barnsley, alongside volunteers from Green Fingered Worsbrough Wanders, The Mill Academy Primary School and Voluntary Action Barnsley.

AMYA youth leader for South Yorkshire, Shahzad Ahmad, said: “Our hope is that by improving community relations and helping to beautify our surroundings we can work towards preventing destruction and hatred and bring communities together to work for peace.”

Barnsley Coun Roy Miller said: “This tree planting scheme is a significant contribution towards Barnsley Council’s commitment to the Nature Improvement Area. I am delighted so many volunteers have agreed to work with us on the day to bring this to fruition.

“These trees will increase the wildlife value of the site while also alleviating flooding and climate change.”

Earlier this month, AMYA volunteers were on the streets of Shirecliffe in Sheffield for a litter pick.

The volunteers joined Jason Colley from the Clean Shirecliffe Co-operative for the litter pick, which aimed to go towards keeping Britain’s streets clean.

Shahzad said: “Cleanliness is an integral part of our faith. Giving up a couple of hours can make a huge difference.”

Jason added: “It is great to work with the AMYA group. They are more committed to making the world a better place for everyone to live in than any other religious group I have met.”

Towards the end of last year the group also visited the wards at Sheffield Children’s Hospital and old people at the Springwood residential nursing home to give gifts and spread cheer.

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/south-yorkshire-Muslims-spread-message-of-peace-with-good-deeds-1-7040707

Funny innit

when the Scouts and cubs do that ...nothing gets heard....(unless it happens to be a Muslim troop)

and yet they do this sort of thig all the time

as do many organisations....

yet they are not considered newsworthy....

perhaps because they dont have over 1/4 of their membership who support murder

perhaps because its not unusual...

but more likely becuase thay havnt got an "aunty lefty" working for them....and they just "do it"

That's my point vic.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:41 pm

why is it...when any "normal" activity is carried out by Muslims does it have to be "newsworthy"

what agenda is being fed here....

are we to beleive that its because in fact ...in general Muslims DONT engage in "normal" community activities?

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:42 pm

eddie wrote:
darknessss wrote:

Funny innit

when the Scouts and cubs do that ...nothing gets heard....(unless it happens to be a Muslim troop)

and yet they do this sort of thig all the time

as do many organisations....

yet they are not considered newsworthy....

perhaps because they dont have over 1/4 of their membership who support murder

perhaps because its not unusual...

but more likely becuase thay havnt got an "aunty lefty" working for them....and they just "do it"

That's my point vic.

What is your point

when the Scouts and cubs do that ...nothing gets heard....(unless it happens to be a Muslim troop)

perhaps because they dont have over 1/4 of their membership who support murder ?

perhaps because its not unusual...?

but more likely becuase thay havnt got an "aunty lefty" working for them....and they just "do it"?

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:11 pm

I see the indoctrination by media has worked really well.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:16 pm

Indoctrination?
How so, the pointy Victor is making is valid and in fact you do see media coverage of good deeds done by Muslims, far more than you would see a representation of the same by hindus or Sikhs.
Can you post many examples of media artciles on these religious groups in this country Sassy doing good?

by Ben Reilly Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:18 pm

darknessss wrote:why is it...when any "normal" activity is carried out by Muslims does it have to be "newsworthy"

what agenda is being fed here....

are we to beleive that its because in fact ...in general Muslims DONT engage in "normal" community activities?

So your media is full of the shit this is parodying:

Who knew this about Brievik's attack on the children on Utoya D040d66f787518c21f0446927e9a987d185abf38f777539d66f04a290acf332c_large

Who knew this about Brievik's attack on the children on Utoya D040d66f787518c21f0446927e9a987d185abf38f777539d66f04a290acf332c_large

... day in and day out. So when they hear about Muslim spiders not enforcing Sharia at Buckingham Palace, it seems newsworthy, because of the expectation they themselves have set.

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:20 pm

What is your point

when the Scouts and cubs do that ...nothing gets heard....(unless it happens to be a Muslim troop)

perhaps because they dont have over 1/4 of their membership who support murder ?

perhaps because its not unusual...?

but more likely becuase thay havnt got an "aunty lefty" working for them....and they just "do it"?

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:24 pm

Unbelievable, again why the attention on Muslims in the media Ben, why not Sikhs, Hindu's or even Jews doing good deeds.
The reason is people think by posting a good deed story about Muslims some how detracts from the problems with Muslim extremism, as if to not concern ourselves over this or that the problem is not grave, when it is. This is as much a probvlem to the Muslim community because it affectsa them as much that peol,e are trying to deflect awy the problem of extremism, as if a Good deed does that. Nobody thinks all Muslims are bad, but there is a sizeable amount of Muslims that hold views counter to the well being and equality of those around them.

by Ben Reilly Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:27 pm

The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:33 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

when 25%+ of the Muslim population support "bad deeds" how can the possibility even arise that the coverage has been "disproportionate"

OH and BTW.....that interesting survey actually vindicates a view I made (a while back, and probably elsewhere) that whilst MOST Muslims wouldntcarry out an atrocity, there is a significant population who approve of such (and presumably therefore would support and facilitate such an act)

I did say AT THE TIME I saw Muslims dancing in the street ..In NOTTINGHAM...in the immediate aftermath of 9/11
mmmmmmm.....perhaps I wasnt "seeing things" after all........

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:38 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

And that in some way does what for Muslims?
Ignore the problem in the hope it will go away?
Again nobody views all Muslims as bad or extremists.
This is about the fact there is a sizeable amount who are which are in fact having a detremental affect on those Muslims who are against extremism.
So you think publishing a good deed helps deal with the problem of extremism, or deflects away from this to try badly to deminsih the problem, making an absurd view it is not a problem by doing so?

by Ben Reilly Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:39 pm

darknessss wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

when 25%+ of the Muslim population support "bad deeds" how can the possibility even arise that the coverage has been "disproportionate"

OH and BTW.....that interesting survey actually vindicates a view I made (a while back, and probably elsewhere) that whilst MOST Muslims wouldntcarry out an atrocity, there is a significant population who approve of such (and presumably therefore would support and facilitate such an act)

I did say AT THE TIME I saw Muslims dancing in the street ..In NOTTINGHAM...in the immediate aftermath of 9/11
mmmmmmm.....perhaps I wasnt "seeing things" after all........

OK, so you admit most of them don't support terrorist attacks ... but a lot of them do ... and if that many of them do, then there must be many who wouldn't do such things, but secretly cheer them on ... and then another goodly portion whose job is to denounce the attacks so everyone will *think* it's just a few who are actually violent ... yea! We're back to thinking they're all evil people. No critical thought necessary, what a relief.

DDDDEEEEEERRRRRRPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who knew this about Brievik's attack on the children on Utoya Do_the_derp_640_34

Who knew this about Brievik's attack on the children on Utoya Do_the_derp_640_34

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:44 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
darknessss wrote:

when 25%+ of the Muslim population support "bad deeds" how can the possibility even arise that the coverage has been "disproportionate"

OH and BTW.....that interesting survey actually vindicates a view I made (a while back, and probably elsewhere) that whilst MOST Muslims wouldntcarry out an atrocity, there is a significant population who approve of such (and presumably therefore would support and facilitate such an act)

I did say AT THE TIME I saw Muslims dancing in the street ..In NOTTINGHAM...in the immediate aftermath of 9/11
mmmmmmm.....perhaps I wasnt "seeing things" after all........

OK, so you admit most of them don't support terrorist attacks ... but a lot of them do ... and if that many of them do, then there must be many who wouldn't do such things, but secretly cheer them on ... and then another goodly portion whose job is to denounce the attacks so everyone will *think* it's just a few who are actually violent ... yea! We're back to thinking they're all evil people. No critical thought necessary, what a relief.

DDDDEEEEEERRRRRRPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who knew this about Brievik's attack on the children on Utoya Head-in-the-sand

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:50 pm

ty Didge...I was trying to find a suitable retort...you beat me to it there....

by Irn Bru Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:52 pm

Back to the OP. it’s a piece about a couple of young boys, Muslims as it happens, who did a heroic thing in a tragedy of extreme violence inspired by a man’s hate of the very people these boys were and it’s worth a mention any day of the week in any country rather than the coverage Breivik’s demands get for facilities that he doesn’t deserve.

Do people really grudge these two boys getting coverage of their courage?

What's the problem?

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:57 pm

Irn Bru wrote:Back to the OP. it’s a piece about a couple of young boys, Muslims as it happens, who did a heroic thing in a tragedy of extreme violence inspired by a man’s hate of the very people these boys were and it’s worth a mention any day of the week in any country rather than the coverage Breivik’s demands get for facilities that he doesn’t deserve.

Do people really grudge these two boys getting coverage of their courage?

What's the problem?

I agree that these two lad SHOULD get recognition

the "problem" is that it is seized upon by the islamophiles as yet more propaganda AND IS BEING CYNICALLY USED for that SOLE reason....

the telling phrase you use is "Muslims as it happens" in other words, their religious state is irrelevant...... Rolling Eyes

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:01 pm

Irn Bru wrote:Back to the OP. it’s a piece about a couple of young boys, Muslims as it happens, who did a heroic thing in a tragedy of extreme violence inspired by a man’s hate of the very people these boys were and it’s worth a mention any day of the week in any country rather than the coverage Breivik’s demands get for facilities that he doesn’t deserve.

Do people really grudge these two boys getting coverage of their courage?

What's the problem?

Right how did this hate form Irn?
Nobody is grudging these boys, what I detest is people using them of which is the case here as if theior story makes the problem of islamic extremism be in some way a lesser problem. Again my views is to help the many Muslims that are facing a problem from within, where showing some in a good light is not going to help solve the problem of extremism. Yes unity is needed but also recognising the problems that are there.
Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

by Irn Bru Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:01 pm

darknessss wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:Back to the OP. it’s a piece about a couple of young boys, Muslims as it happens, who did a heroic thing in a tragedy of extreme violence inspired by a man’s hate of the very people these boys were and it’s worth a mention any day of the week in any country rather than the coverage Breivik’s demands get for facilities that he doesn’t deserve.

Do people really grudge these two boys getting coverage of their courage?

What's the problem?

I agree that these two lad SHOULD get recognition

the "problem" is that it is seized upon by the islamophiles as yet more propaganda AND IS BEING CYNICALLY USED for that SOLE reason....

the telling phrase you use is "Muslims as it happens" in other words, their religious state is irrelevant......

Yes, these were my words. And who exactly is using this for propaganda? Certainly not me or anyone else that I have seen It was published in Norway and wasn't perceived to be that but here, it's managed to get steam coming out of people ears.

Good grief!

by Irn Bru Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:02 pm

Brasidas wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:Back to the OP. it’s a piece about a couple of young boys, Muslims as it happens, who did a heroic thing in a tragedy of extreme violence inspired by a man’s hate of the very people these boys were and it’s worth a mention any day of the week in any country rather than the coverage Breivik’s demands get for facilities that he doesn’t deserve.

Do people really grudge these two boys getting coverage of their courage?

What's the problem?

Right how did this hate form Irn?
Nobody is grudging these boys, what I detest is people using them of which is the case here as if theior story makes the problem of islamic extremism be in some way a lesser problem. Again my views is to help the many Muslims that are facing a problem from within, where showing some in a good light is not going to help solve the problem of extremism. Yes unity is needed but also recognising the problems that are there.
Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Who is using them?

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:05 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Brasidas wrote:

Right how did this hate form Irn?
Nobody is grudging these boys, what I detest is people using them of which is the case here as if theior story makes the problem of islamic extremism be in some way a lesser problem. Again my views is to help the many Muslims that are facing a problem from within, where showing some in a good light is not going to help solve the problem of extremism. Yes unity is needed but also recognising the problems that are there.
Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Who is using them?

Those seeking to deny there is a problem.
How about answering the points.
Again if this was British people having sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrecne.
Would you challenge these problems and say this is a growing proiblem that needs to be tackled?
Or would you show a story of a British person rescuing a black person

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:07 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
darknessss wrote:

I agree that these two lad SHOULD get recognition

the "problem" is that it is seized upon by the islamophiles as yet more propaganda AND IS BEING CYNICALLY USED for that SOLE reason....

the telling phrase you use is "Muslims as it happens" in other words, their religious state is irrelevant......

Yes, these were my words. And who exactly is using this for propaganda? Certainly not me or anyone else that I have seen It was published in Norway and wasn't perceived to be that but here, it's managed to get steam coming out of people ears.

Good grief!

erm....perhaps you havnt read from top to botton IRN.....

the OP is doing EXACTLY that......."oh the poor Muslims never get any coverage for good deeds"

well I got news for folks...neither do many "other" people.....

by Irn Bru Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:38 pm

Brasidas wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Brasidas wrote:

Right how did this hate form Irn?
Nobody is grudging these boys, what I detest is people using them of which is the case here as if theior story makes the problem of islamic extremism be in some way a lesser problem. Again my views is to help the many Muslims that are facing a problem from within, where showing some in a good light is not going to help solve the problem of extremism. Yes unity is needed but also recognising the problems that are there.
Imagine your reaction Irn and it was made earlier that a quarter of British people had sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrence? Would you not be concerned and that something needed to be done to tackle such a view of hate towards black people?
Would you just then post an article of British people doing good to say, well some British people are good?
Is that what you would do, or would you like me do everything to challenge these poor perceptions, which we know can lead to further violence?

Who is using them?

Those seeking to deny there is a problem.
How about answering the points.
Again if this was British people having sympathy with the killers of Stephen Lawrecne.
Would you challenge these problems and say this is a growing proiblem that needs to be tackled?
Or would you show a story of a British person rescuing a black person

Show me who and where this has been used this for propaganda?

by Guest Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:41 pm

First Veya, now Irn, some people clearly cannot answer simple questions and continue to deflect.
I suggest you read Sassy's answers Irn, that is your first clue.

Night, hope you answer by the time I look in tomorrow

by Irn Bru Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:41 pm

darknessss wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
darknessss wrote:

I agree that these two lad SHOULD get recognition

the "problem" is that it is seized upon by the islamophiles as yet more propaganda AND IS BEING CYNICALLY USED for that SOLE reason....

the telling phrase you use is "Muslims as it happens" in other words, their religious state is irrelevant......

Yes, these were my words. And who exactly is using this for propaganda? Certainly not me or anyone else that I have seen It was published in Norway and wasn't perceived to be that but here, it's managed to get steam coming out of people ears.

Good grief!

erm....perhaps you havnt read from top to botton IRN.....

the OP is doing EXACTLY that......."oh the poor Muslims never get any coverage for good deeds"

well I got news for folks...neither do many "other" people.....

So someone starting a thread on here (our forum) is doing it for propaganda and not because it was a good news story about an act of bravery and thought it deserved better coverage than it got?

Do me a favour Victor, you know the author of this thread better than that

Am I reading that right?

by Irn Bru Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:43 pm

Brasidas wrote:First Veya, now Irn, some people clearly cannot answer simple questions and continue to deflect.
I suggest you read Sassy's answers Irn, that is your first clue.

Night, hope you answer by the time I look in tomorrow

I've read it. Who is using this story as propaganda to deny there is a problem? If you can answer that then I may be in a position to answer yours.

by veya_victaous Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:17 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Brasidas wrote:First Veya, now Irn, some people clearly cannot answer simple questions and continue to deflect.
I suggest you read Sassy's answers Irn, that is your first clue.

Night, hope you answer by the time I look in tomorrow

I've read it. Who is using this story as propaganda?

It is a didge Question it does have to have any relevance or relationship to Reality.. Cool

No one is using it as propaganda any more so that Him with his unhealthy fixation that a small group of people are causing all the troubles and that we need to deal with their evil even if it means we become more evil than them in the process.. And he does this While completely ignoring the wrong we do.. it is ok for us to 'accidentally' blow 90 innocent people to smithereens but not for them to kill people they capture in their territory..
the Muslim threat has killed no more people in Europe than Breviak and the RW doctrine.. Yet he is more than happy to defend the RW doctrine that has killed just as many in Europe in the past decade.

I doubt he will ever understand that IF HE LIKES IT OR NOT people do not share his Perspective or Opinion on who is 'good'... and for that reason he is a hypocrite.... To most of the World WE ARE NOT THE GOOD GUYS Rolling Eyes

by Cass Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:17 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

yup.

by Cass Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:18 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

yup.

by Guest Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:53 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Brasidas wrote:First Veya, now Irn, some people clearly cannot answer simple questions and continue to deflect.
I suggest you read Sassy's answers Irn, that is your first clue.

Night, hope you answer by the time I look in tomorrow

I've read it. Who is using this story as propaganda to deny there is a problem? If you can answer that then I may be in a position to answer yours.

Dear me, how many more times do you come out with excuses to then demand I answer you before you answer me even though you keep avoiding my question again.
Show me where I made any claim on propaganda?
I never did. You are asking the wrong poster proving you are deflecting away from my questions
Try again

by Guest Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:01 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

I've read it. Who is using this story as propaganda?

It is a didge Question it does have to have any relevance or relationship to Reality..

No one is using it as propaganda any more so that Him with his unhealthy fixation that a small group of people are causing all the troubles and that we need to deal with their evil even if it means we become more evil than them in the process.. And he does this While completely ignoring the wrong we do.. it is ok for us to 'accidentally' blow 90 innocent people to smithereens but not for them to kill people they capture in their territory..
the Muslim threat has killed no more people in Europe than Breviak and the RW doctrine.. Yet he is more than happy to defend the RW doctrine that has killed just as many in Europe in the past decade.

I doubt he will ever understand that IF HE LIKES IT OR NOT people do not share his Perspective or Opinion on who is 'good'... and for that reason he is a hypocrite.... To most of the World WE ARE NOT THE GOOD GUYS

Really?
Show me where I made any view on propaganda?
I never did, showing the some on the left invent things to evade answering questions when they are in a hole.
If you cannot see how bad it is that a sizeable group of people view murder as acceptable then you are very much stuck with your head in the sand. This is as much a problem to Muslims themselves where many do not view Islam this way and yet their faith is being corrupted by Wahhabism. To then claim the RW doctrine backs murder is again just throwing your dummies out Veya, because it shows you are attempting to ignore this problem again. You wrongly think this is having a go at Muslims. No this a growing concern of a group of Muslims at odds with the well being and equality of others who think any insult of their faith means that people can commit murder in revenge trying to stiffle free speech.
You are one of the least people I am concerned in regards to having a problem, it is people like you that ignore a problem it is out of control.
You are basically defending a view to back these Muslims that hold such a backward thinking view based on a myth.
You then make an association fallacy argument on us being Non-Muslims as worse people based on now actions committed in war. Your views are nothing more than sheer ignnorance which seeks to protect extremism at odds humaity

by eddie Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:50 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:The attention on Muslims doing good deeds is because there has been so much disproportionate attention on Muslims doing bad deeds that now there's a public perception of Muslims as being evil people. So now reporters can grab a story like this and package it as something like "This Story of Muslims Acting Like the Rest of Us Will Blow Your Mind."

That's juts rubbish though tbh. Jimmy Saville was a white middle aged man with grey hair accused of paedophilia, as was Rolf Harris (found guilty) and now Cliff Richard (accused)
So are therenmore stories dug up saying
"Local old gent helping poor children in the area"

No.

So the point vic, and then didge made, is actually valid.

Don't getme wrong, the stories sassy has found are nice - who doesnt like a feel-good story?

by Guest Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:21 am

Irn Bru wrote:
darknessss wrote:

erm....perhaps you havnt read from top to botton IRN.....

the OP is doing EXACTLY that......."oh the poor Muslims never get any coverage for good deeds"

well I got news for folks...neither do many "other" people.....

So someone starting a thread on here (our forum) is doing it for propaganda and not because it was a good news story about an act of bravery and thought it deserved better coverage than it got?

Do me a favour Victor, you know the author of this thread better than that

Am I reading that right?

Put it this way, if the two lads had been anything other than Muslim the post wouldn't have been made.

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