what does "je suis Charlie" mean for the UK

Not surprisingly we now face calls from various parties for increased surveillance powers etc etc etc...
more intrusive powers
No doubt soon there will be calls for less accountabilty

all things that Ben And Quill and Cass will be all to well aware of

Yet, not withstanding the howls of outrage from some on here. Nigel farrage mooted (unpopular though the notion may be ) of a 5th column (of islamists I can only presume)

now from wikipedia

A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group—such as a nation or a besieged city—from within. The activities of a fifth column can be overt or clandestine. Forces gathered in secret can mobilize openly to assist an external attack. This term is also extended to organized actions by military personnel. Clandestine fifth column activities can involve acts of sabotage, disinformation, or espionage executed within defense lines by secret sympathizers with an external force.

now I would agree that so far the biggest danger has been so called lone wolf attacks ( though if they are a fierce as our resident lonely puppy they aint to be worried about)
However things have changed with the return home of an unknown nuber of unidentifed "jihadi" fighters many of whom are far from "dumb".

now ...monitoring phone calls and communications is one thing....and the information about who is talking to who and how often is valuable intelligence no doubt....
but the substance of that intel will be...if the would be nutters are smart...unobtainable...

I have heard a lot of arguments that center around the fact that encryption can nowadays be brocken fairly quickly..it seems the super computers are in fact able to break 13 bit encryption fairly fast... (so much for ssl)
however if I was to want to make sure no one could find out what was in a message I sent except the recipient i would encypher it even very simple systems of ecypherment are virtually unbreakable except by the greatest of luck, and sophisticated ones are entirely unbreakable, whats worse is a VERY sophisticated system may not even be recognised as anything other than an innocent message....

guys i wish you luck.......

Hi Darkness. I have to disagree with your 'unbreakable' etc. My reasoning and logic tells me that anything made by man can be unmade by man. It all boils down to a natural process of positive and negative. Neither one can exist without the other, thus anything supposedly an unbreakable singularity is just a passing misconception. Someone, somewhere, will be clever enough to decipher any encryptions and encypherments.

stardesk wrote:Hi Darkness. I have to disagree with your 'unbreakable' etc. My reasoning and logic tells me that anything made by man can be unmade by man. It all boils down to a natural process of positive and negative. Neither one can exist without the other, thus anything supposedly an unbreakable singularity is just a passing misconception. Someone, somewhere, will be clever enough to decipher any encryptions and encypherments.

Great post Stardesk
Hope you are well mate

I am debating all this across the water and I have a good way, well think it is that the best way to get at these extremists is a way that would also get some Muslims on board too, as not all take the view Muhammad cannot be drawn, there is nothing in the quran against doing this.

http://www.newsweek.com/koran-does-not-forbid-images-prophet-298298



My suggestion is that they do draw Muhammad but turning his back on/pissing on them or shamming IS/Alaeda/Boro Haram etc in a manor that views them as not approved by the Prophet of this religion. It would be very humiliating for them to be depicted as shunned or insulted by such a satire and could be very affective, which would totally insult these extremists.

stardesk wrote:Hi Darkness. I have to disagree with your 'unbreakable' etc. My reasoning and logic tells me that anything made by man can be unmade by man. It all boils down to a natural process of positive and negative. Neither one can exist without the other, thus anything supposedly an unbreakable singularity is just a passing misconception. Someone, somewhere, will be clever enough to decipher any encryptions and encypherments.

hi Star...i think you mat be confusing encryption with encypherment

encryption is basically algebreic muddling up according to some (known to both parties) algorithm

encypherment however can be as simple as me sending the page line and word number of words in a book known to both parties....It can be any book
but unless you happen to know the book there is little chance to break it except by the sheerest luck

if you then make it harder by changing which books you use after say so many words it becomes even harder but a huge margin

bear in mind you potentially could use any one of millions of books, magazines and news papers.....

encypherment is virtually unbreakable...

whats even worse is the message that simply says

"going to fill up the car." now WHAT could that possibly mean....would it indeed have any meaning if intercepted?
but if the intended recipient KNOWS what such a code phrase means.........

Like i said ...I wish the guys at GCHQ and elsewhere the best of luck.....