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Post by Irn Bru Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:58 am

It's a cracker

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:08 pm

UKIP are nothing to do with the others.



Lib lab con are really shitting themselves aren't they!!!!



lol!



Vote UKIP!!!
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:11 pm

No I think UKIP are the centre of much good comedy piss take by the Iron age views.
The funniest part is how some people are being taken in by these Iron age views.

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Post by Ben Reilly Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:31 pm

"I'm surprised that a white man of Great Britain alone has not stood up and caused a civil war over this matter."

Wow, so this is what the far-right of the UK wants for their country -- civil war?

Or does this man just represent a minority of his party?
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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:54 pm

It's funny how you hypocrites will champion the rights of USA, Australia and other countries to be independent nations from British rule and To have self govt, self rule and democracy etc, but you think Britain should not have this but be subject to EU rule....!!!



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Post by veya_victaous Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:It's funny how you hypocrites will champion the rights of USA, Australia and other countries to be independent nations from British rule and To have self govt, self rule and democracy etc, but you think Britain should not have this but be subject to EU rule....!!!


Cause it's tiny it like Tasmania saying it wants to independent.

AND not the same if you actually get a voice in the direction of the EU which the British empire didn't give it's colonies.

USA is essentially what the EU is aiming to be

and down here we are working towards economic unions(even though we do have almost as much land as the EU under standardised economic control Rolling Eyes ), our geographic isolation means that only New Zealand is realistic as a Complete union although if that worked we could probably adsorb a lot of the tiny pacific nations under an Austral-Pacific Union.
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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 10:26 pm

No we don't really get the voice you claim in EU.



The EU is a dictatorship run by unelected appointed group of people called the commission.... they make the rules and put forward the proposals with the MEPs acting as nodding dogs agreeing with it all.....




And our national parliament being bound by their decisions and have to abide by it all regardless of public will.... none of us voted for any of this.... all we agreed to 40 years ago was a simple trade arrangement based on coal and steel...!


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Post by veya_victaous Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:14 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No we don't really get the voice you claim in EU.

The EU is a dictatorship run by unelected appointed group of people called the commission.... they make the rules and put forward the proposals with the MEPs acting as nodding dogs agreeing with it all.....

And our national parliament being bound by their decisions and have to abide by it all regardless of public will.... none of us voted for any of this.... all we agreed to 40 years ago was a simple trade arrangement based on coal and steel...!

But IF you work at it you could get a working United States of Europe.
I agree there needs to be better representation of the people. Wink
But the Idea of the EU is the path forward. it is better to work through the issues and be better off at the other end than throw it all away and remain independent nations that are slowly rendered irrelevant as they are superseded by larger and more dynamic economies.
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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:21 pm

We don't want a US EU or a EUSSR.


We want self determination and self rule through our sovereign parliament as we have had for centuries.



Happy to trade and cooperate with our EU neighbour and the rest of the world.



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Post by veya_victaous Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:54 pm

not an option Neutral
plenty of other peoples wanted shit they had had for centuries too.... but the world kept moving and they were either forced to adapt (e.g. Japanese) or they have been crushed by change. (e.g Aboriginals)

And you wont be happy to trade when you don't have the economic protection of the EU, as already pointed out Your gov't along with he rest of the EU has to put a 100% tariff (literally doubling the shelf price) on Aussie Beef products (and a lot of other agricultural produce) to keep your farmers in business.
And We're not even the hard competitors that have vast barely paid labour, without the EU trading block and the massive tariffs it imposes Even more Business in the UK would have already collapsed as they only stay in business because the gov't artificially raises the price on it competitors goods (literally sometimes doubling the price of the non EU competition)
So are you going to Buy UK when you can buy the same for half the price? I think not, so bye bye UK industry.

the only path the UK and western Europe can take that doesn't led to a downward spiral in wealth and eventually to poverty is a trading block with uniform legal and economic controls. that allows the U.S.Europe to consolidate it population (market size) and existing wealth and infrastructure allowing it to remain a major economic player.

One can already see it at the G20
who care what any of the Europeans thought? no one... USA China India and Russia where the voices the world was listening to.

People will care about your opinion as much as the do Australia which is not much and If we didn't sell Uranium to both China and India they would probably care even less.
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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:12 am

I stopped reading at your claim of 'economic protection of EU'.....




Good one!!!




That will keep me chuckling for days....!



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Post by veya_victaous Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:33 am

well you're an idiot who has just proven that YOU are unable to add to the debate and really should not get to vote as you don't even know the basics of the EU or your own nations economy

One of the EUs stated aims was literally being able to apply preferential tariffs, that means tax the shit out of Non-EU imports

Tariff quotas

Tariff quotas approved on the basis of Article 31 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Unionpdf (TFEU) constitute an exception to the normal state of affairs since they permit, during the period of validity of the measure and for a limited quantity, the total (total suspension) or partial waiver (partial suspension) of the normal duties applicable to imported goods (antidumping duties are not affected by these suspensions).
Preferential

In the framework of several agreements that the European Community has concluded with third countries, as well as in the framework of autonomous preferential arrangements for some beneficiary countries, tariff concessions are provided for a pre-determined volume of goods. These tariff concessions are called "preferential tariff quotas".

Within these preferential tariff quotas, a predetermined volume of goods originating in a specified country can benefit at import into the Community from a more favourable rate of duty than the normal third countries duty mentioned in the combined nomenclature. Entitlement to benefit from preferential tariff quotas is of course subject to presentation of the necessary evidence of origin.

http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/customs/customs_duties/tariff_aspects/quotas/index_en.htm

UK specific
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/tax-and-duty.htm
Customs Duty is a tax charged on importation of goods produced outside the European Union (EU).


And you can See of all the place Aussies sell Beef, EU is the Only one with a 100% tariff. Because they SO desperately need protection

http://www.mla.com.au/Prices-and-markets/Overseas-markets/Market-access/Beef
European Union
100%**
7,150 tonne quota (fiscal year)
In quota: 20%;above quota: 12.8% + 141.4-304.1 Euro/100kg
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Post by veya_victaous Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:39 am

you're like the guy in the video
So clueless that is is fully understandable why intelligent people don't think you should vote.

If you aren't going to make an effort to have even Basic knowledge of the situation to make an informed decision... why should you be allowed to ruin economies through your lazy ignorance, letting you vote on economics or politics is like lending a car to someone that has made it apparent that the only thing they know about driving is what they have seen in video games. So vastly unequipped for the task that it is dangerously irresponsible to let them take control.
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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:55 am

We don't need the EU to make our own trade arrangements or import taxes......




That is one of the reasons why we have our own govt.....




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Post by veya_victaous Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:34 am

Tommy Monk wrote:We don't need the EU to make our own trade arrangements or import taxes......

That is one of the reasons why we have our own govt.....



LOL
and do you really think people will agree to the Deal for JUST the UK????
Japan than has twice your population an economic power has just been negotiated down to 18% by Australia, a far cry from the 100% we have to accept for EU nations or have NO TRADE with Europe. the UK alone cannot make that threat (with out others just laughing at it)

So I would suggest No you cant make your own trade arrangements because the ones you would HAVE to accept would annihilate what is left of your industry. And IF you want tariffs then You can expect other nations to also apply them to you which because you are so uncompetitive on cost will render your product un-sellable due to over pricing, something Again the EU prevents us doing unless we want ALL our trade to Europe cut.

the EU is like a big gang protecting its members from the realities of trade that the rest of us have Already dealt with. this is part of reason why Europe is what still in recession after 6 years because too often your leaders have gone 'they can do it better so add an extra tax on them so our guys stay in business'. Half of Asia didn't even go into recession during the GFC let alone stay in one for half a decade because we have learnt to be competitive through the necessity.
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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:42 am

Bullshit.
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Post by veya_victaous Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:54 am

I know it is Bullshit the way the EU protects your inefficient industries...

I mean it's not like 4 posts Up, I posted links to the EU own site to advises Businesses that want to do business in the EU and to the 'HM revenue and Customs' from the UK gov't
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