UKIP v BNP, no difference.

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Some long-term European immigrants to Britain could be told to leave the country if UKIP gets into government and takes Britain out of the EU, the party’s candidate in the Rochester by-election has suggested.

Mark Reckless, the former Conservative MP, whose defection triggered the by-election, said that EU migrants who had lived in the UK for a long time would be considered “sympathetically” but others would only be allowed to stay for a transitional period.
His remarks, during an ITV debate in the constiutancy, were challenged by the Labour candidate, Naushabah Khan.
“Where would you stop, Mark? My family are migrants, are we going to say they need to go back as well?” she asked Mr Reckless.
Mr Reckless failed to answer her question but added: “What we would want to do is to look at new people coming in ‎and apply a consistent Australian-style points system, and the same to people coming from Europe as we do to those coming from say the Commonwealth, from Australia, Africa, India, the Caribbean, we shouldn't have a discriminatory system which favours Europeans against people from outside."
Mr Reckless made his initial comments when he was challenged to spell out what would happen to a Polish plumber if Ukip had its way and Britain left the EU.
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“I think in the near term we’d have to have a transitional period, and I think we should probably allow people who are currently here to have a work permit at least for a fixed period,” he said.
Asked again whether this would mean a Polish plumber and his family could be deported, Reckless said: “People who have been here a long time and integrated in that way I think we’d want to look sympathetically at.”
He stressed that Ukip’s focus was on how to control numbers of new migrants and creating a system that did not discriminate in favour of EU migrants against non-EU migrants.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rochester-byelection-mark-reckless-warns-longterm-eu-migrants-could-be-told-to-leave-britain-if-ukip-gets-into-government-9869712.html

A change of policy is not a u turn. It I, just a change of policy.



Lib lab con do it all the time and even bring in and do many things that were never policy or in any manifesto.

Tommy Monk wrote:A change of policy is not a u turn. It I, just a change of policy.



Lib lab con do it all the time and even bring in and do many things that were never policy or in any manifesto.

If the policy is the complete opposite of what it used to be, what is it besides a U-turn?

I guess if BNP just keeps hating foreigners, you'll continue to support them no matter what, though?

I don't support BNP.


I vote UKIP!!!

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:A change of policy is not a u turn. It I, just a change of policy.



Lib lab con do it all the time and even bring in and do many things that were never policy or in any manifesto.

If the policy is the complete opposite of what it used to be, what is it besides a U-turn?

I guess if BNP just keeps hating foreigners, you'll continue to support them no matter what, though?

Tommy has to be the biggest denialist I have every come across to be honest, his motto is to deny anything, that places his own views at odds with each other, even though the evidence presented to him, is irrefutable.

Waffle dodge...



A 'u-turn' is what lib lab con do on a regular basis.


Examples include lib lab con all promising a referendum on EU and then not giving one, and Tory bringing in gay marriage after Cameron categorically stating that he would not do this a few days before becoming prime minister in 2010.

Not waffle but facts, now your illusion of an honest party that goes back on its words as seen has been shattered.
That is why it is never good to live your life under illusions, you set yourself up for a big fall or let down.

The illusion with lib lab con is that they represent the democratic will of the people.

Tommy Monk wrote:Waffle dodge...



A 'u-turn' is what lib lab con do on a regular basis.


Examples include lib lab con all promising a referendum on EU and then not giving one, and Tory bringing in gay marriage after Cameron categorically stating that he would not do this a few days before becoming prime minister in 2010.

Why do you keep pointing to what other parties do rather than address the BNP's 180-degree policy reversal? That's the U-turn being discussed, not other parties.

What BNP 180 degree policy reversal is that then???

Tommy Monk wrote:What BNP 180 degree policy reversal is that then???

The same one on immigration that Bras has been talking about.

There is nothing in OP about the BNP changing any policy.



And UKIP policy hasn't changed recently either.

So again Tommy ignores the evidence that UKIP are no different to the other main street parties, they go back on their main goals just to appease people to vote for them. They make complete U-Turns on their policies and as seen are proven to lie.
Again Tommy you cannot have it both ways, of which I showed they have been found to be lying, of which you just wish to bury your head in the sand and ignore, because I guess the truth hurts when one of your main countering points has been shattered by the fact UKIP are no different.
Is funny how when you shatter such illusions, you see the desperation in your answer.

Still no evidence of any u turn.....



Policy has not changed recently at all.





Unlike Cameron categorically stating that he would not be bringing in gay marriage a couple of days before being elected, and then brought in gay marriage, and his claim of reducing immigration from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands but immigration has increased, and his promise to have a bonfire of the quangos when in reality not much at all has changed.


And all lib lab con have promised a referendum on EU and all failed to deliver one. Labour and lib dense are now against a referendum.




Lib dense had a referendum pledge in their 2010 manifesto.... but now in govt are against it.

Tommy Monk wrote:Still no evidence of any u turn.....
Policy has not changed recently at all.
Unlike Cameron categorically stating that he would not be bringing in gay marriage a couple of days before being elected, and then brought in gay marriage, and his claim of reducing immigration from hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands but immigration has increased, and his promise to have a bonfire of the quangos when in reality not much at all has changed.
And all lib lab con have promised a referendum on EU and all failed to deliver one. Labour and lib dense are now against a referendum.
Lib dense had a referendum pledge in their 2010 manifesto.... but now in govt are against it.

You know when a person concedes his view point when he uses what others do wrong to back his argument.
There is plenty of evidence of a U-Turn, repatriation and flat rate tax being one, even Sphinx has debated the merits of this in the past with me, as I am sure she will not deny.
Please stop embarrassing yourself on this delusional belief you have that UKIP are perfect. They are no different to the rest as seen, you just poorly deny it.

Repatriation was never policy and they changed the tax idea ages ago.

Denial at its best and clearly the signs of being gullible.
Denial is not a counter, yet again.

Facts dodge against your false arguments.

Yep, gobbledygook is all you can reply with.

You can't get away from The facts.


That's why you have to post waffle...

Ha ha, yes you cannot get away from my facts, I know.

That is why you are in constant denial.

What facts?


Repatriation has never been UKIP policy.

Tell that to Reckless, he does not think so.
Are you thus saying he was lied too?

Not at all.



Show me evidence OF where that was ever policy???



The man clearly made a mistake or there was a misunderstanding of what he was trying to say.

I already did.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-ukip-manifesto-farage-or-farrago/11523

Are you now going to deny, they have not gone back on this?

The tax policy has changed.



If any party changes tax rate slightly then that does not mean a u turn.


That was changed ages ago.


Where is the evidence of repatriation ever being policy as you claim?

Tax policy changed = U-turn.
If a tax policy is right you have no need to change it.
DOH

Logic is not your thing is it Tommy.

A change is just a change.




Promising a referendum and then changing to supporting not having a referendum is a u turn.



Saying no gay marriage and then bringing in gay marriage is a u turn.

Bless, a change is a U-Turn, thus your illusions of an honest party has been shattered.
I am happy about gay marriage and very happy it was U-turned, that is called common sense.
The policies on repatriation from UKIP just reminds me of Nazism when it first crept into power, where they also used fear and whipped up hate to gain power.

So try to use where others have made a U-turn will not save your party from being exposed as the same Tommy, shattering your illusions.

Is changing the rate of VAT a u turn?


Or raising top rate from 40% to 50% a u turn?



UKIP had a policy proposal on taxation, then changed it to something slightly different.



That is a change, not a u turn.




A u turn is saying won't bring in gay marriage and then doing it.


A u turn is having policy to have a EU referendum and then supporting not having one.


Lib lab con are the liars.



That is who everyone is voting UKIP!!!

Hilarious, showing you do not understand what a U-turn is and proving my point you are in constant denial.