Commonwealth Games Scottie dogs 'disrespectful to Muslims'

gerber wrote:


Malaysian  politicians and religious leaders have attacked the use of Scottie dogs during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, claiming it was disrespectful to Muslims.

Dato Ibrahim Bin Ali, a far-Right politician.....................

A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: "Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony.."[/size]

Lone Wolf wrote:

gerber wrote:


Malaysian  politicians and religious leaders have attacked the use of Scottie dogs during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, claiming it was disrespectful to Muslims.[/size]

Dato Ibrahim Bin Ali, a far-Right politician.....................

[size=14]A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: "Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony.."

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 ::-3::   THIS petty "storm in a teacup" protest organised by one loony-toon conservative politician is probably in reality a scheme by petulant Collie, Sheltie, Scottish sheep dog and Border Collie breeders associations, as revenge for their feeling snubbed by the 'Terriers getting all of the attention during the opening ceremony...

WOOF !

Lone Wolf wrote: 

JUST as long as he doesn't knock those terriers, and the collies and golden retrievers...

Raggamuffin wrote:I expect Ben will be along later to complain about this, and to mock Muslims.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I expect Ben will be along later to complain about this, and to mock Muslims.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I expect Ben will be along later to complain about this, and to mock Muslims.

You said you didn't like religious people interfering in what you can watch. Does that only apply to Christians?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You said you didn't like religious people interfering in what you can watch. Does that only apply to Christians?

Of course it does. I don't want Christians telling me what to do, I want to take my orders from Muslims.

gerber wrote:Malaysian politicians and religious leaders have attacked the use of Scottie dogs during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, claiming it was disrespectful to Muslims.


Dato Ibrahim Bin Ali, a far-Right politician, former MP and founder and president of Malay supremacist group Perkasa also called for an apology.
"I think it is unbecoming. The hosts have not been sensitive enough – especially in a so-called knowledgeable and civilised society like Britain," he said. "It is shameful and has offended not only Malaysia as a Muslim country, but Muslims around the world."
A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: "Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10995961/Commonwealth-Games-Scottie-dogs-disrespectful-to-Muslims.html


Thank goodness for the last comment by a spokesperson.


Maybe sanity has resumed......


They looked so cute and so proud

victorisnotamused wrote:

gerber wrote:Malaysian politicians and religious leaders have attacked the use of Scottie dogs during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, claiming it was disrespectful to Muslims.


Dato Ibrahim Bin Ali, a far-Right politician, former MP and founder and president of Malay supremacist group Perkasa also called for an apology.
"I think it is unbecoming. The hosts have not been sensitive enough – especially in a so-called knowledgeable and civilised society like Britain," he said. "It is shameful and has offended not only Malaysia as a Muslim country, but Muslims around the world."
A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: "Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10995961/Commonwealth-Games-Scottie-dogs-disrespectful-to-Muslims.html


Thank goodness for the last comment by a spokesperson.


Maybe sanity has resumed......


They looked so cute and so proud

since the "politicians" and religious leaders are mentioned in the plural, we can take it that they indeed DO speak for "Muslims" in general

therefore I suggest that a suitable response would be

In scotland, as in the rest of europe, dogs are an integral part of life and are NOT seen as unclean..
YOU are GUESTS here
get over it...WE find your attitude on this just as "offensive"
If you dont like it...LEAVE

secondly we are sick and tired of your whineing about "your" sensitivity and your "requirements" and find your continuous demands for special consideration sickening and offensive
Get over yourselves..you are not "special" and ar NOT deserving of "special consideration"  No-one forced you to come

If you dont like it LEAVE....

I also note that no "moderate, weternised" Muslim has spoken out against these obnoxious idiots....which leads me to suspect the degree of their "moderation"

victorisnotamused wrote:

gerber wrote:Malaysian politicians and religious leaders have attacked the use of Scottie dogs during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, claiming it was disrespectful to Muslims.


Dato Ibrahim Bin Ali, a far-Right politician, former MP and founder and president of Malay supremacist group Perkasa also called for an apology.
"I think it is unbecoming. The hosts have not been sensitive enough – especially in a so-called knowledgeable and civilised society like Britain," he said. "It is shameful and has offended not only Malaysia as a Muslim country, but Muslims around the world."
A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: "Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10995961/Commonwealth-Games-Scottie-dogs-disrespectful-to-Muslims.html


Thank goodness for the last comment by a spokesperson.


Maybe sanity has resumed......


They looked so cute and so proud

since the "politicians" and religious leaders are mentioned in the plural, we can take it that they indeed DO speak for "Muslims" in general

therefore I suggest that a suitable response would be

In scotland, as in the rest of europe, dogs are an integral part of life and are NOT seen as unclean..
YOU are GUESTS here
get over it...WE find your attitude on this just as "offensive"
If you dont like it...LEAVE

secondly we are sick and tired of your whineing about "your" sensitivity and your "requirements" and find your continuous demands for special consideration sickening and offensive
Get over yourselves..you are not "special" and ar NOT deserving of "special consideration"  No-one forced you to come

If you dont like it LEAVE....

I also note that no "moderate, weternised" Muslim has spoken out against these obnoxious idiots....which leads me to suspect the degree of their "moderation"

Ben_Reilly wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

since the "politicians" and religious leaders are mentioned in the plural, we can take it that they indeed DO speak for "Muslims" in general

therefore I suggest that a suitable response would be

In scotland, as in the rest of europe, dogs are an integral part of life and are NOT seen as unclean..
YOU are GUESTS here
get over it...WE find your attitude on this just as "offensive"
If you dont like it...LEAVE

secondly we are sick and tired of your whineing about "your" sensitivity and your "requirements" and find your continuous demands for special consideration sickening and offensive
Get over yourselves..you are not "special" and ar NOT deserving of "special consideration"  No-one forced you to come

If you dont like it LEAVE....

I also note that no "moderate, weternised" Muslim has spoken out against these obnoxious idiots....which leads me to suspect the degree of their "moderation"

So if they don't specifically condemn everything you don't like about what one of them says, where you can hear it or read it, they must support it?

Sounds like a full-time job ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:Wow, that sucks. I'd hate to feel like if I didn't spend all day verbally condemning everything I disagreed with, people would assume I agreed with it ...

veya_victaous wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Wow, that sucks. I'd hate to feel like if I didn't spend all day verbally condemning everything I disagreed with, people would assume I agreed with it ...

That is why they Are Whinging Pommies       
I know it is not Normal but they are English  ::dunno:: ::dunno:: ::dunno:: 

Ben_Reilly wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Wow, that sucks. I'd hate to feel like if I didn't spend all day verbally condemning everything I disagreed with, people would assume I agreed with it ...

That is why they Are Whinging Pommies       
I know it is not Normal but they are English  ::dunno:: ::dunno:: ::dunno:: 

Mencia's talking about the U.S., but it really applies to all immigrant-settled countries:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbQ-2HxabIw

The major objectives for establishing Perkasa, according to Ibrahim Ali, are to act as "protectors of Article 153 of the Constitution of Malaysia" and to defend the rights of Bumiputera from being eroded by certain quarters.[3] Perkasa is said to be fighting and defending the rights of the Malays which they feel are being challenged by non-Malays in Malaysia.

Perkasa has recently become infamous for its racial and religious provocations against non-Malays, especially Chinese and Indians; and non-Muslims, especially Christians through vocal, physical and violent means.[4] Despite the continuous offensive and seditious remarks by its chief Ibrahim Ali and its members that have threatened social harmony, no legal action has been taken by the Malaysian authorities so far.[5]

It has been branded a fascist organisation by MPs from the Malaysian federal opposition coalition Pakatan Rakyat.[6] Despite Perkasa's close association with UMNO, Ibrahim Ali recently implied the possibility of Perkasa becoming a full-fledged political party to participate in Malaysia's 14th General Elections, going head-to-head against UMNO.

veya_victaous wrote:Did any one check who said it
FORMER Politician that started his own radical group in 2008 and has been NOT been elected since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkasa

The major objectives for establishing Perkasa, according to Ibrahim Ali, are to act as "protectors of Article 153 of the Constitution of Malaysia" and to defend the rights of Bumiputera from being eroded by certain quarters.[3] Perkasa is said to be fighting and defending the rights of the Malays which they feel are being challenged by non-Malays in Malaysia.

Perkasa has recently become infamous for its racial and religious provocations against non-Malays, especially Chinese and Indians; and non-Muslims, especially Christians through vocal, physical and violent means.[4] Despite the continuous offensive and seditious remarks by its chief Ibrahim Ali and its members that have threatened social harmony, no legal action has been taken by the Malaysian authorities so far.[5]

It has been branded a fascist organisation by MPs from the Malaysian federal opposition coalition Pakatan Rakyat.[6] Despite Perkasa's close association with UMNO, Ibrahim Ali recently implied the possibility of Perkasa becoming a full-fledged political party to participate in Malaysia's 14th General Elections, going head-to-head against UMNO.

Irony the Group actually Says EXACTLY what Victor said but towards  Chinese and Westerners in Malaysia (there have been several Protest Specifically Against "British Intrusions in Malay Culture" )

veya_victaous wrote:that too.. but Crocs always lend a hand




http://www.buzzfeed.com/simoncrerar/how-australia-looks-to-dumb-americans

victorisnotamused wrote:

gerber wrote:Malaysian politicians and religious leaders have attacked the use of Scottie dogs during the Commonwealth Games opening ceremony, claiming it was disrespectful to Muslims.


Dato Ibrahim Bin Ali, a far-Right politician, former MP and founder and president of Malay supremacist group Perkasa also called for an apology.
"I think it is unbecoming. The hosts have not been sensitive enough – especially in a so-called knowledgeable and civilised society like Britain," he said. "It is shameful and has offended not only Malaysia as a Muslim country, but Muslims around the world."
A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: "Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10995961/Commonwealth-Games-Scottie-dogs-disrespectful-to-Muslims.html


Thank goodness for the last comment by a spokesperson.


Maybe sanity has resumed......


They looked so cute and so proud

since the "politicians" and religious leaders are mentioned in the plural, we can take it that they indeed DO speak for "Muslims" in general

therefore I suggest that a suitable response would be

In scotland, as in the rest of europe, dogs are an integral part of life and are NOT seen as unclean..
YOU are GUESTS here
get over it...WE find your attitude on this just as "offensive"
If you dont like it...LEAVE

secondly we are sick and tired of your whineing about "your" sensitivity and your "requirements" and find your continuous demands for special consideration sickening and offensive
Get over yourselves..you are not "special" and ar NOT deserving of "special consideration"  No-one forced you to come

If you dont like it LEAVE....

I also note that no "moderate, weternised" Muslim has spoken out against these obnoxious idiots....which leads me to suspect the degree of their "moderation"

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:
You said you didn't like religious people interfering in what you can watch. Does that only apply to Christians?

Of course it does. I don't want Christians telling me what to do, I want to take my orders from Muslims.

Ben_Reilly wrote:All joking aside, I would really like to hear the justification for requiring some people to denounce everything up to and including some idiot's opinion about dogs, while allowing other people the benefit of the doubt and understanding that most people don't agree with one idiot's opinion.

I'd really like one or more of our English members to explain to me how that's fair, because logic and reason tell me it's really entirely unfair, not to mention very prejudiced. I sit here in the hope of being enlightened ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:All joking aside, I would really like to hear the justification for requiring some people to denounce everything up to and including some idiot's opinion about dogs, while allowing other people the benefit of the doubt and understanding that most people don't agree with one idiot's opinion.

I'd really like one or more of our English members to explain to me how that's fair, because logic and reason tell me it's really entirely unfair, not to mention very prejudiced. I sit here in the hope of being enlightened ...

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Didge wrote:Under the headline “Commonwealth Games Scottie dogs ‘disrespectful to Muslims’”, theTelegraph reports that the use of Scottish terrier dogs to lead teams around Celtic Park in the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow last Wednesday has been criticised by “Malaysian politicians and religious leaders”. (In the Daily Mail‘s version of the story, the critics are elevated to “Malaysian officials”.)
The criticisms quoted were in fact raised by two individuals – one the leader of a minor political party and the other of an extremist movement – and it looks like their objections were not so much to the use of dogs as such but rather to reports that the dog supposed to be leading the Malaysian team refused to move and had to be carried by a team representative.
The Telegraph article helpfully explains: “Many Muslims refuse to have direct contact with dogs, which are considered by some to be ‘unclean’ in Islamic culture. Some overseas Muslim groups have reportedly previously called for a jihad on dogs.”
The article concludes: “A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: ‘Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony’.”
So, another anti-Muslim story concocted out of nothing.
For the background to the “jihad on dogs” nonsense, see here and here.

http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/torygraph-discovers-jihad-on-dogs/

victorisnotamused wrote:

Didge wrote:Under the headline “Commonwealth Games Scottie dogs ‘disrespectful to Muslims’”, theTelegraph reports that the use of Scottish terrier dogs to lead teams around Celtic Park in the opening ceremony of the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow last Wednesday has been criticised by “Malaysian politicians and religious leaders”. (In the Daily Mail‘s version of the story, the critics are elevated to “Malaysian officials”.)
The criticisms quoted were in fact raised by two individuals – one the leader of a minor political party and the other of an extremist movement – and it looks like their objections were not so much to the use of dogs as such but rather to reports that the dog supposed to be leading the Malaysian team refused to move and had to be carried by a team representative.
The Telegraph article helpfully explains: “Many Muslims refuse to have direct contact with dogs, which are considered by some to be ‘unclean’ in Islamic culture. Some overseas Muslim groups have reportedly previously called for a jihad on dogs.”
The article concludes: “A Glasgow 2014 spokesman said: ‘Glasgow 2014 have received no complaints from the Commonwealth Games Associations of the competing nations and territories following the Opening Ceremony’.”
So, another anti-Muslim story concocted out of nothing.
For the background to the “jihad on dogs” nonsense, see here and here.

http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/torygraph-discovers-jihad-on-dogs/

I wouldnt take anything an appologist site like this posts as being of any virtue....

biggest clue

"For the background to the “jihad on dogs” nonsense, see here and here.[/size]

where it links to...but does not deny a number of reports....

however, give that it is possibly true that it was just these two idiots

first...are they here...present??   then sling em out...publicly and noisily
secondly If they are not then they should not have ben given a platform to air such garbage
thirdly if the above IS the case then it is even MORE important that a "moderate" speaks out and tells em to bollocks, elsewise we WILL know what to think of the "moderate"
surely ONE can be found and poked into action??? or does their silence mean complicity????

victorisnotamused wrote:listen didge....

If I stood up and said I find the face covering offensive (which i do actually) I'd be subject to 10 sorts of hell...
at best I'd be an islamophobe....if i was any sort of leader there would be riots and flag burnings and murder done....and every tom dick and harry appologist would be up there denouncing me....

here we have a situation where a "leader" (of sorts) is "westernophobic" and no one denounces them...interesting.....

Didge wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:listen didge....

If I stood up and said I find the face covering offensive (which i do actually) I'd be subject to 10 sorts of hell...
at best I'd be an islamophobe....if i was any sort of leader there would be riots and flag burnings and murder done....and every tom dick and harry appologist would be up there denouncing me....

here we have a situation where a "leader" (of sorts) is "westernophobic" and no one denounces them...interesting.....

That is just Like Nick Griffin saying something, does he thus speak for all of Christendom?

victorisnotamused wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:All joking aside, I would really like to hear the justification for requiring some people to denounce everything up to and including some idiot's opinion about dogs, while allowing other people the benefit of the doubt and understanding that most people don't agree with one idiot's opinion.

I'd really like one or more of our English members to explain to me how that's fair, because logic and reason tell me it's really entirely unfair, not to mention very prejudiced. I sit here in the hope of being enlightened ...

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well, since "we" you know the non whatevers of britain dont have a mouth peice with balls big enough to say what I said earlier....and since we have had, for years a suppliant and craven govt, that panders to their every whim as much as possible......

It is not unreasonable to expect the LEADERS, amongst the supposed moderates to speak up and denounce this moron. Their failure to do so says more about their REAL feelings on the subject than it does about anything else....

I find what these guys ,,,(and note the article mentions multiple persons), say, to be highly offensive.
I find their demands about their "sensitivities" to be offensive
If they dont like it why dont they just F**k off back whence they came....and take their athletes with them....

victorisnotamused wrote:

Didge wrote:



That is just Like Nick Griffin saying something, does he thus speak for all of Christendom?

no, but the critics are soon out in force when he starts spouting.....

Didge wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

no, but the critics are soon out in force when he starts spouting.....

Yes but he was a leader and he is Christian, thus anything he states about Christianity which he did loads, did it lead you to condemn Christianity and Christians collectively, or the BNP party and Nick himself?
Do you see the difference?
When it is a Muslim, the person is condemned, but not his party, but his faith and Muslims per say.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

well, since "we" you know the non whatevers of britain dont have a mouth peice with balls big enough to say what I said earlier....and since we have had, for years a suppliant and craven govt, that panders to their every whim as much as possible......

It is not unreasonable to expect the LEADERS, amongst the supposed moderates to speak up and denounce this moron. Their failure to do so says more about their REAL feelings on the subject than it does about anything else....

I find what these guys ,,,(and note the article mentions multiple persons), say, to be highly offensive.
I find their demands about their "sensitivities" to be offensive
If they dont like it why dont they just F**k off back whence they came....and take their athletes with them....

That's not even what I'm talking about, victor. It's this constant looking at a minority group to explain, condemn, whatever, the actions of someone who might happen to share a version of their religion or a similar color of skin. We don't have Christian leaders falling over themselves to explain that most Christians don't support murdering abortion doctors in the U.S., let alone sprinting to the nearest microphone to explain that someone who makes a complaint about having dogs at a sporting event isn't speaking for the global Christian community.

victorisnotamused wrote:

Didge wrote:



Yes but he was a leader and he is Christian, thus anything he states about Christianity which he did loads, did it lead you to condemn Christianity and Christians collectively, or the BNP party and Nick himself?
Do you see the difference?
When it is a Muslim, the person is condemned, but not his party, but his faith and Muslims per say.

since islam IS "the party"....i.e it is a complet religios AND political doctrine in and of itself.....how can you seperate "a political" party from the whole...you cant....

Irn Bru wrote:This is now threatening to turn into an international incident with revelations from a new group called the TDL (Terrier Defence League) that Jock has defied a Fatwa.

A senior Malaysian cleric has today issued a fatwa on Jock the Scottie dog, whose refusal to cooperate with the Islamic nation's team during the Commonwealth Games Opening Ceremony sent shock waves through the Islamic world.

The Malaysian government's earlier condemnation of the use of dogs (considered 'unclean') to represent Muslim countries turned to anger during the ceremony when Jock sat down, refused to walk with the Malaysian team he was supposed to be representing and – watched by millions of TV viewers worldwide – had to be carried around Celtic Park, Glasgow.

In reaction to the outrage, rioting spread last night through the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur, where crowds of masked Muslim youths could be seen smashing pet shop windows, burning canine effigies and wielding placards proclaiming, "Jock burn in Hell!", "Death to Terriers!" and "Behead those who bark at Islam!"

In Britain, Scottie dogs living in Muslim areas have been put under curfew, and – in an unprecedented move – Prime Minister David Cameron has pledged to push through 'hate-bark' legislation to make yapping or growling at Muslims or peeing in mosque doorways criminal offences, punishable by up to ten years in kennels or being put to sleep.

At his home in Glasgow's East End this evening a defiant Jock prepared for walkies, flanked by his bodyguard of two Rottweilers and a Doberman. Asked by reporters if he feared being attacked by extremists Jock wagged his tail and growled, "Islami-scum? Nah, ah hate the bastards mair than tabbies. I'll gie 'em a skelp, nae bother!".

Backing up Jock's protest, the Terrier Defence League is planning a major demonstration at the Malaysian Consulate this Saturday. The TDL has received pledges of support from the Poodle, Labrador and German Shepherd communities and is expecting a bigger turnout than Crufts.



This could get bloody nasty with disastrous consequences.

http://libertygb.org.uk/v1/index.php/home/root/news-libertygb/6512-jock-the-scottie-dog-defies-fatwa

gerber wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
  JUST as long as he doesn't knock those terriers, and the collies and golden retrievers...

very well said.

Doughnut ?