Israeli War Crimes Caught on Tape

by Fuzzy Zack Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:10 pm

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/war-crime-video-shows-sniper-killing-wounded-gaza-civilian

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:29 pm

Israel belongs to the Jews and they will fight for what is theirs, very sad that children are involved but it is only the same as when Muslims fight for what they believe in and they don't feel guilty do they ?

i don't like any deaths no matter what faith everyone of us have a right to life , until prophesy is fulfilled
there will always be conflict with Israel

by Raggamuffin Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:43 pm

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:Israel belongs to the Jews and they will fight for what is theirs, very sad that children are involved but it is only the same as when Muslims fight for what they believe in and they don't feel guilty do they ?

i don't like any deaths no matter what faith everyone of us have a right to life , until prophesy is fulfilled
there will always be conflict with Israel

Sorry but this post is just wrong. Nothing justifies shooting unarmed people.

by Fuzzy Zack Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:54 pm

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:Israel belongs to the Jews and they will fight for what is theirs, very sad that children are involved but it is only the same as when Muslims fight for what they believe in and they don't feel guilty do they ?

i don't like any deaths no matter what faith everyone of us have a right to life , until prophesy is fulfilled
there will always be conflict with Israel

You sound like Michael Ben Ari.

Nothing justified this blatant war crime.

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:01 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:Israel belongs to the Jews and they will fight for what is theirs, very sad that children are involved but it is only the same as when Muslims fight for what they believe in and they don't feel guilty do they ?

i don't like any deaths no matter what faith everyone of us have a right to life , until prophesy is fulfilled
there will always be conflict with Israel

You sound like Michael Ben Ari.

Nothing justified this blatant war crime.

you are right but nothing will stop it happening until the land is given back to the Jews .

by Raggamuffin Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:03 pm

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You sound like Michael Ben Ari.

Nothing justified this blatant war crime.

you are right but nothing will stop it happening until the land is given back to the Jews .

It's not their land.

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:03 pm

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:Israel belongs to the Jews and they will fight for what is theirs, very sad that children are involved but it is only the same as when Muslims fight for what they believe in and they don't feel guilty do they ?

i don't like any deaths no matter what faith everyone of us have a right to life , until prophesy is fulfilled
there will always be conflict with Israel

people like you are the cause not the solution to these problems....If only we could remove the religiously crippled from all sides then there would be chance of peace

"there will never be peace in the world till the last would be emperor/king/whatever is hung with the guts of the last would be priest/imman/vicar/etc"

with apologies to Denis Diderot (5 October 1713 – 31 July 1784)

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:18 pm

Its nobody's land and claims to land but there is one single situation and problem that arose, the land was divided for both to live, Palestine refused this and attacked Israel and lost to the point demographics have changed since 1948. Palestinians were displaced in their hundreds of thousands and then hundreds of thousands of Jews who had nothing to do with this, were displaced from communities centuries old from Arab nations. Then these displaced Palestinians created so many problems, many were ousted from Jordan, where they shifted the balance in Lebanon and were a great part in the creation of the Lebanese war which displaced over a million Lebanese, so all have suffered here yet people centro on the plight only of the Palestinians, showing how badly people seem to not even read or understand history.

Crimes happen on both sides and such threads like this are no better when smelly posts crap about Palestinian extremists, it is in the same methodology and used as a shock factor, to show and grow hate towards a group of people based on the actions of a few. Countless times Muslims are poorly stereotyped off the actions of a few extremists and yet here again we see a complete same scenario being portrayed by posting such a video, smelly did this all the time, which sole intent is to create anger and hate.

Peace is one by stopping the hate between two peoples, not creating more and it will be the people of both nations having enough of the violence that they wish to seek peace an reconciliation, how many more times are people going to learn that violence was used to try and end apartheid, it did not work, what did was one man look to reconcile with those who had taken away his right to a life for most of his life, who tortured him and imprisoned him. He came out of prison and never sought revenge on those who made apartheid happen, he reconciled to bring a nation together. The problems of Northern Ireland, was brought near enough to an end because the people there had enough of the violence, they again also reconciled, so when are people going to start learning from history what works, as decades of the same blame being casted on each side has never worked, only with Hamas one and a more Liberal Israel Government will bring about peace, which means by starting to change perceptions of the people within each nation

by Irn Bru Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:24 pm

Didge wrote:Its nobody's land and claims to land but there is one single situation and problem that arose, the land was divided for both to live, Palestine refused this and attacked Israel and lost to the point demographics have changed since 1948. Palestinians were displaced in their hundreds of thousands and then hundreds of thousands of Jews who had nothing to do with this, were displaced from communities centuries old from Arab nations. Then these displaced Palestinians created so many problems, many were ousted from Jordan, where they shifted the balance in Lebanon and were a great part in the creation of the Lebanese war which displaced over a million Lebanese, so all have suffered here yet people centro on the plight only of the Palestinians, showing how badly people seem to not even read or understand history.

Crimes happen on both sides and such threads like this are no better when smelly posts crap about Palestinian extremists, it is in the same methodology and used as a shock factor, to show and grow hate towards a group of people based on the actions of a few. Countless times Muslims are poorly stereotyped off the actions of a few extremists and yet here again we see a complete same scenario being portrayed by posting such a video, smelly did this all the time, which sole intent is to create anger and hate.

Peace is one by stopping the hate between two peoples, not creating more and it will be the people of both nations having enough of the violence that they wish to seek peace an reconciliation, how many more times are people going to learn that violence was used to try and end apartheid, it did not work, what did was one man look to reconcile with those who had taken away his right to a life for most of his life, who tortured him and imprisoned him. He came out of prison and never sought revenge on those who made apartheid happen, he reconciled to bring a nation together. The problems of Northern Ireland, was brought near enough to an end because the people there had enough of the violence, they again also reconciled, so when are people going to start learning from history what works, as decades of the same blame being casted on each side has never worked, only with Hamas one and a more Liberal Israel Government will bring about peace, which means by starting to change perceptions of the people within each nation

So is the solution, or the start of one, for Israel to restart the talks it pulled out of back in June because it wouldn't negotiate with Fatah if they reconcilled with Hamas to form a unity government with elections to be held within months in the West Bank and Gaza?

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:25 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:Its nobody's land and claims to land but there is one single situation and problem that arose, the land was divided for both to live, Palestine refused this and attacked Israel and lost to the point demographics have changed since 1948. Palestinians were displaced in their hundreds of thousands and then hundreds of thousands of Jews who had nothing to do with this, were displaced from communities centuries old from Arab nations. Then these displaced Palestinians created so many problems, many were ousted from Jordan, where they shifted the balance in Lebanon and were a great part in the creation of the Lebanese war which displaced over a million Lebanese, so all have suffered here yet people centro on the plight only of the Palestinians, showing how badly people seem to not even read or understand history.

Crimes happen on both sides and such threads like this are no better when smelly posts crap about Palestinian extremists, it is in the same methodology and used as a shock factor, to show and grow hate towards a group of people based on the actions of a few. Countless times Muslims are poorly stereotyped off the actions of a few extremists and yet here again we see a complete same scenario being portrayed by posting such a video, smelly did this all the time, which sole intent is to create anger and hate.

Peace is one by stopping the hate between two peoples, not creating more and it will be the people of both nations having enough of the violence that they wish to seek peace an reconciliation, how many more times are people going to learn that violence was used to try and end apartheid, it did not work, what did was one man look to reconcile with those who had taken away his right to a life for most of his life, who tortured him and imprisoned him. He came out of prison and never sought revenge on those who made apartheid happen, he reconciled to bring a nation together. The problems of Northern Ireland, was brought near enough to an end because the people there had enough of the violence, they again also reconciled, so when are people going to start learning from history what works, as decades of the same blame being casted on each side has never worked, only with Hamas one and a more Liberal Israel Government will bring about peace, which means by starting to change perceptions of the people within each nation

So is the solution, or the start of one, for Israel to restart the talks it pulled out of back in June because it wouldn't negotiate with Fatah if they reconcilled with Hamas to form a unity government with elections to be held within months in the West Bank and Gaza?

That shows you did not read my answer, what did I say needs to happen for change?

by Irn Bru Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:32 pm

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:Its nobody's land and claims to land but there is one single situation and problem that arose, the land was divided for both to live, Palestine refused this and attacked Israel and lost to the point demographics have changed since 1948. Palestinians were displaced in their hundreds of thousands and then hundreds of thousands of Jews who had nothing to do with this, were displaced from communities centuries old from Arab nations. Then these displaced Palestinians created so many problems, many were ousted from Jordan, where they shifted the balance in Lebanon and were a great part in the creation of the Lebanese war which displaced over a million Lebanese, so all have suffered here yet people centro on the plight only of the Palestinians, showing how badly people seem to not even read or understand history.

Crimes happen on both sides and such threads like this are no better when smelly posts crap about Palestinian extremists, it is in the same methodology and used as a shock factor, to show and grow hate towards a group of people based on the actions of a few. Countless times Muslims are poorly stereotyped off the actions of a few extremists and yet here again we see a complete same scenario being portrayed by posting such a video, smelly did this all the time, which sole intent is to create anger and hate.

Peace is one by stopping the hate between two peoples, not creating more and it will be the people of both nations having enough of the violence that they wish to seek peace an reconciliation, how many more times are people going to learn that violence was used to try and end apartheid, it did not work, what did was one man look to reconcile with those who had taken away his right to a life for most of his life, who tortured him and imprisoned him. He came out of prison and never sought revenge on those who made apartheid happen, he reconciled to bring a nation together. The problems of Northern Ireland, was brought near enough to an end because the people there had enough of the violence, they again also reconciled, so when are people going to start learning from history what works, as decades of the same blame being casted on each side has never worked, only with Hamas one and a more Liberal Israel Government will bring about peace, which means by starting to change perceptions of the people within each nation

So is the solution, or the start of one, for Israel to restart the talks it pulled out of back in June because it wouldn't negotiate with Fatah if they reconcilled with Hamas to form a unity government with elections to be held within months in the West Bank and Gaza?

That shows you did not read my answer, what did I say needs to happen for change?

You said quite a lot but I didn't see you say that you thought that Israel should restart the talks that they pulled out of.

Electing a more Liberal government may help but there is no guarantee that they will get one so let's deal with the here and now as time is of the essence.

So, do you think that the current Israeli government should restart the talks that they pulled out of?

by Fuzzy Zack Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:34 pm

Lol! Didge is still peeved off about me comparing him to Smelly Bandit.

I have never complained about any of SB's threads or I wouldn't reply on them.

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:37 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

That shows you did not read my answer, what did I say needs to happen for change?

You said quite a lot but I didn't see you say that you thought that Israel should restart the talks that they pulled out of.

Electing a more Liberal government may help but there is no guarantee that they will get one so let's deal with the here and now as time is of the essence.

So, do you think that the current Israeli government should restart the talks that they pulled out of?

I have already stated this on one of the three threads I have replied on tonight, so this will help you seek the answer you need.
If you read my answer the current government in Israel is not the answer and neither is Hamas, so the here and now is irrelevant as the current Government is not going to have any dealings with Hamas just as many western countries will not. To claim they are or were going to have elections is nothing more than a smoke screen because they were losing vast support, not only within Palestine but other Arab nations.
This the best possible course of action going forward is for Hamas to go and the current Israeli government to go, which will need the people of both sides to accomplish

by Fuzzy Zack Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:40 pm

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

You said quite a lot but I didn't see you say that you thought that Israel should restart the talks that they pulled out of.

Electing a more Liberal government may help but there is no guarantee that they will get one so let's deal with the here and now as time is of the essence.

So, do you think that the current Israeli government should restart the talks that they pulled out of?

I have already stated this on one of the three threads I have replied on tonight, so this will help you seek the answer you need.
If you read my answer the current government in Israel is not the answer and neither is Hamas, so the here and now is irrelevant as the current Government is not going to have any dealings with Hamas just as many western countries will not. To claim they are or were going to have elections is nothing more than a smoke screen because they were losing vast support, not only within Palestine but other Arab nations.
This the best possible course of action going forward is for Hamas to go and the current Israeli government to go, which will need the people of both sides to accomplish

For a start, the Israeli government is a coalition. And the parties in power don't want to deal with Hamas.

by Irn Bru Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:40 pm

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

That shows you did not read my answer, what did I say needs to happen for change?

You said quite a lot but I didn't see you say that you thought that Israel should restart the talks that they pulled out of.

Electing a more Liberal government may help but there is no guarantee that they will get one so let's deal with the here and now as time is of the essence.

So, do you think that the current Israeli government should restart the talks that they pulled out of?

I have already stated this on one of the three threads I have replied on tonight, so this will help you seek the answer you need.
If you read my answer the current government in Israel is not the answer and neither is Hamas, so the here and now is irrelevant as the current Government is not going to have any dealings with Hamas just as many western countries will not. To claim they are or were going to have elections is nothing more than a smoke screen because they were losing vast support, not only within Palestine but other Arab nations.
This the best possible course of action going forward is for Hamas to go and the current Israeli government to go, which will need the people of both sides to accomplish

It's the PA that were going to hold the elections and the Hamas prime minister has gone to make way for them.

Anyway, I'll take your answer as a no so there is no hope for peace in the immediate future.

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:45 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

I have already stated this on one of the three threads I have replied on tonight, so this will help you seek the answer you need.
If you read my answer the current government in Israel is not the answer and neither is Hamas, so the here and now is irrelevant as the current Government is not going to have any dealings with Hamas just as many western countries will not. To claim they are or were going to have elections is nothing more than a smoke screen because they were losing vast support, not only within Palestine but other Arab nations.
This the best possible course of action going forward is for Hamas to go and the current Israeli government to go, which will need the people of both sides to accomplish

It's the PA that were going to hold the elections and the Hamas prime minister has gone to make way for them.

Anyway, I'll take your answer as a no so there is no hope for peace in the immediate future.

You are gullible it seems then if you think after 8 years Hamas will, where they have failed to before, extremists make many claims they never live up to!

by Irn Bru Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:55 pm

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

I have already stated this on one of the three threads I have replied on tonight, so this will help you seek the answer you need.
If you read my answer the current government in Israel is not the answer and neither is Hamas, so the here and now is irrelevant as the current Government is not going to have any dealings with Hamas just as many western countries will not. To claim they are or were going to have elections is nothing more than a smoke screen because they were losing vast support, not only within Palestine but other Arab nations.
This the best possible course of action going forward is for Hamas to go and the current Israeli government to go, which will need the people of both sides to accomplish

It's the PA that were going to hold the elections and the Hamas prime minister has gone to make way for them.

Anyway, I'll take your answer as a no so there is no hope for peace in the immediate future.

You are gullible it seems then if you think after 8 years Hamas will, where they have failed to before, extremists make many claims they never live up to!

And you are gullible if you think that Israel will stop building settlements in the West Bank - how many years has that been going on?

Israel has made many claims that they have never lived up to and it's doubtful they will ever give up the settlements already built.

Until they get back to the table by restarting the talks there is little hope of a long term peaceful solution. I just want all sides to talk - not fight.

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:59 pm

Who said anything about settlements, talk about moving the goal posts?
Yes with a more liberal Government yes and Israel has before removed 10,000 settlers, so as proven your claim is wrong as it has happened.
No certain politicians have made claims they have not lived up to, to say Israel is thus condemning a whole nation, which is no surprise from you and speaks volumes about how you view Israel.

Your method will not change anything, that has gone on for decades talks, what will change is both sets of people wishing the violence and hate to stop

by Guest Mon Jul 21, 2014 11:23 pm

and yet...IDF targets injured civilians....deliberately.....no doubt another "mistake"

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:07 am

I have already condemned such attacks, but again Israel does try to warn and does legally go after also military targets, Hamas on the other hand, who you seem to ignore with every rocket attack is a war crime, as their attacks are indiscriminate, which seems to concern you very little

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:19 am

Didge wrote:Who said anything about settlements, talk about moving the goal posts?
Yes with a more liberal Government yes and Israel has before removed 10,000 settlers, so as proven your claim is wrong as it has happened.
No certain politicians have made claims they have not lived up to, to say Israel is thus condemning a whole nation, which is no surprise from you and speaks volumes about how you view Israel.

Your method will not change anything, that has gone on for decades talks, what will change is both sets of people wishing the violence and hate to stop

You don't think that the Israeli settlements are part of the problem then? Christ you really are gullible.

And where were the 10,000 settler's removed from - Gaza? Good grief, you really are deluded if you think that was a concession to the Palestinians.

I've asked you what your method is to bring this to an end and you don't have one other than something that may happen in the future when a solution is needed right now.

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:23 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:Who said anything about settlements, talk about moving the goal posts?
Yes with a more liberal Government yes and Israel has before removed 10,000 settlers, so as proven your claim is wrong as it has happened.
No certain politicians have made claims they have not lived up to, to say Israel is thus condemning a whole nation, which is no surprise from you and speaks volumes about how you view Israel.

Your method will not change anything, that has gone on for decades talks, what will change is both sets of people wishing the violence and hate to stop

You don't think that the Israeli settlements are part of the problem then? Christ you really are gullible.
never stated any such thing! That is you as always making things up when your debate is going nowhere

And where were the 10,000 settler's removed from - Gaza? Good grief, you really are deluded if you think that was a concession to the Palestinians.
It has already been brought up in the debates that 10,000 settlers were removed n 2005, all 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip and four in the northern West Bank were forcibly evacuated as part of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan, so I have just caught you out lying again

I've asked you what your method is to bring this to an end and you don't have one other than something that may happen in the future when a solution is needed right now.

I have given you one, where instead of blame and hate being used all the time the approach is this:

In the meantime let's keep communicating. The more Palestinians and Israelis actually talk to each other (without the middle men of media or governments) the better we will understand that we are all the same. That we all want, and deserve peace. And look! The tide is indeed turning. A recent poll in Palestine showed that the majority want Hamas out, and for their moderate leader Abbas to resume control and talk peace with Israel. Let's keep working to turn each other's hearts and minds. Join up on Facebook with "Israel loves Palestine' or with "Palestine loves Israel" and speak to each other, share stories of good will of hope. Only then can the people beat the powers that be and earn themselves and each other the peace they all deserve.

[ltr]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/lliana-bird/why-im-proisraeli-and-pro-palestinian_b_5592220.html?utm_hp_ref=uk[/ltr]

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:27 am

Didge wrote:I have already condemned such attacks, but again Israel does try to warn and does legally go after also military targets, Hamas on the other hand, who you seem to ignore with every rocket attack is a war crime, as their attacks are indiscriminate, which seems to concern you very little

There’s a pattern emerging here in that you try to dismiss the authors of almost every article criticising Israel in their treatment of the Palestinian’s as people who are doing nothing more than promoting hate. You do the same with every person that shares these views or has similar opinions as just the same and that they are also promoting hate. You describe any article that is C&P as nonsense as if that in some way invalidates the content when it clearly does not.

And all the time you are doing that you’re also telling us as you are doing here that Israel are being considerate and that they are complying with international law - they're not. The cracks have been beginning to appear over the last few days in this little stance you are taking in that you are even-handed when it’s clear you are being anything but.

The Israeli’s don’t give a shit for the rights of the Palestinian people in Gaza or the West Bank, in fact according to them they don’t have any rights.

I'm for Israel restarting the talks with all the parties involved to bring about a long term and robust settlement acceptable to all because that's the only way it will end.

We must hope at least for that.

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:34 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:I have already condemned such attacks, but again Israel does try to warn and does legally go after also military targets, Hamas on the other hand, who you seem to ignore with every rocket attack is a war crime, as their attacks are indiscriminate, which seems to concern you very little

There’s a pattern emerging here in that you try to dismiss the authors of almost every article criticising Israel in their treatment of the Palestinian’s as people who are doing nothing more than promoting hate. You do the same with every person that shares these views or has similar opinions as just the same and that they are also promoting hate. You describe any article that is C&P as nonsense as if that in some way invalidates the content when it clearly does not.
More words you are poorly try to put in my mouth, an author who claims comparisons to Nazi and British concentration camps deserves condemnation, where you did not even know the difference between a concentration and death camp, in fact such a claim is disgusting, when 20% of Israelis are Arabs. So all you have to counter now is your view points on me which shows how little you have to counter my points

And all the time you are doing that you’re also telling us as you are doing here that Israel are being considerate and that they are complying with international law - they're not. The cracks have been beginning to appear over the last few days in this little stance you are taking in that you are even-handed when it’s clear you are being anything but.
Wow more points about me and nothing on the debate, proving my point you have nothing to add

The Israeli’s don’t give a shit for the rights of the Palestinian people in Gaza or the West Bank, in fact according to them they don’t have any rights.
So all Israeli's wow another Israel hater who fails to condemn Hamas a terrorist organisation , I suppose the Palestinians in Israel have no rights and even the fact they have better rights then many surrounding nations and even more strange the population is growing.

I'm for Israel restarting the talks with all the parties involved to bring about a long term and robust settlement acceptable to all because that's the only way it will end.
That will not work, what will is the people of each country, your view point has been exhausted to death, what you need is perceptions to change with people on both sides to bring about change, thus making Israeli's themselves see that settlements are wrong, some do already, but more need to, that is how you bring about change,.

We must hope at least for that.

So no I hope for peace and reconciliation to come about through the people of both Israel and Palestine, where their voice becomes one

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:36 am

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:Who said anything about settlements, talk about moving the goal posts?
Yes with a more liberal Government yes and Israel has before removed 10,000 settlers, so as proven your claim is wrong as it has happened.
No certain politicians have made claims they have not lived up to, to say Israel is thus condemning a whole nation, which is no surprise from you and speaks volumes about how you view Israel.

Your method will not change anything, that has gone on for decades talks, what will change is both sets of people wishing the violence and hate to stop

You don't think that the Israeli settlements are part of the problem then? Christ you really are gullible.
never stated any such thing! That is you as always making things up when your debate is going nowhere

And where were the 10,000 settler's removed from - Gaza? Good grief, you really are deluded if you think that was a concession to the Palestinians.
It has already been brought up in the debates that 10,000 settlers were removed n 2005, all 21 settlements in the Gaza Strip and four in the northern West Bank were forcibly evacuated as part of Israel's unilateral disengagement plan, so I have just caught you out lying again

I've asked you what your method is to bring this to an end and you don't have one other than something that may happen in the future when a solution is needed right now.

I have given you one, where instead of blame and hate being used all the time the approach is this:

In the meantime let's keep communicating. The more Palestinians and Israelis actually talk to each other (without the middle men of media or governments) the better we will understand that we are all the same. That we all want, and deserve peace. And look! The tide is indeed turning. A recent poll in Palestine showed that the majority want Hamas out, and for their moderate leader Abbas to resume control and talk peace with Israel. Let's keep working to turn each other's hearts and minds. Join up on Facebook with "Israel loves Palestine' or with "Palestine loves Israel" and speak to each other, share stories of good will of hope. Only then can the people beat the powers that be and earn themselves and each other the peace they all deserve.

[ltr]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/lliana-bird/why-im-proisraeli-and-pro-palestinian_b_5592220.html?utm_hp_ref=uk[/ltr]

Didge, the fundamental problem is the continued occupation and there is no commitment from Israel to stop the building so far. Hamas may well be out during the elections but given what has been happening over the past few weeks the Israeli actions have probably wrecked any chance of that happening.

Do you remember the post you made about the letter written by someone you respected as an authority on the subject - Alan Ben-Mier? I'm sure you do. Well read what he has written since...

The Curse of the Occupation

http://www.alonben-meir.com/article/curse-occupation/

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:42 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

I have given you one, where instead of blame and hate being used all the time the approach is this:

In the meantime let's keep communicating. The more Palestinians and Israelis actually talk to each other (without the middle men of media or governments) the better we will understand that we are all the same. That we all want, and deserve peace. And look! The tide is indeed turning. A recent poll in Palestine showed that the majority want Hamas out, and for their moderate leader Abbas to resume control and talk peace with Israel. Let's keep working to turn each other's hearts and minds. Join up on Facebook with "Israel loves Palestine' or with "Palestine loves Israel" and speak to each other, share stories of good will of hope. Only then can the people beat the powers that be and earn themselves and each other the peace they all deserve.

[ltr]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/lliana-bird/why-im-proisraeli-and-pro-palestinian_b_5592220.html?utm_hp_ref=uk[/ltr]

Didge, the fundamental problem is the continued occupation and there is no commitment from Israel to stop the building so far. Hamas may well be out during the elections but given what has been happening over the past few weeks the Israeli actions have probably wrecked any chance of that happening.

Do you remember the post you made about the letter written by someone you respected as an authority on the subject - Alan Ben-Mier? I'm sure you do. Well read what he has written since...

The Curse of the Occupation

http://www.alonben-meir.com/article/curse-occupation/

No the fundamental problem is the hate viewed by some on each side that continue to fuel the conflicts and it will be as stated both Israelis and Palestinians changing perceptions bout each other. As seen hate has accomplished little and no talks will achieve anything unless you change the perceptions of people.

Dear me is this all you ever have, that if I respect one article, I should thus respect all articles by a writer?
That is not how history works Irn and is a lame argument. For example I think Max Hastings is an excellent writer on WW2, I do not think his views on Muslims though are excellent, but very poor, so do you see how it works, just because I respect some views of an individual, it does not mean I share them all, just like me and you, we share some views yet on others were do not. So using your logic where you think some of my posts are excellent you would then have to agree with everything I say, which of course is ridiculous, as you will disagree on some. So you need to give up constantly trying to use that view point, it does not hold any validity!

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:46 am

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:I have already condemned such attacks, but again Israel does try to warn and does legally go after also military targets, Hamas on the other hand, who you seem to ignore with every rocket attack is a war crime, as their attacks are indiscriminate, which seems to concern you very little

There’s a pattern emerging here in that you try to dismiss the authors of almost every article criticising Israel in their treatment of the Palestinian’s as people who are doing nothing more than promoting hate. You do the same with every person that shares these views or has similar opinions as just the same and that they are also promoting hate. You describe any article that is C&P as nonsense as if that in some way invalidates the content when it clearly does not.
More words you are poorly try to put in my mouth, an author who claims comparisons to Nazi and British concentration camps deserves condemnation, where you did not even know the difference between a concentration and death camp, in fact such a claim is disgusting, when 20% of Israelis are Arabs. So all you have to counter now is your view points on me which shows how little you have to counter my points

And all the time you are doing that you’re also telling us as you are doing here that Israel are being considerate and that they are complying with international law - they're not. The cracks have been beginning to appear over the last few days in this little stance you are taking in that you are even-handed when it’s clear you are being anything but.
Wow more points about me and nothing on the debate, proving my point you have nothing to add

The Israeli’s don’t give a shit for the rights of the Palestinian people in Gaza or the West Bank, in fact according to them they don’t have any rights.
So all Israeli's wow another Israel hater who fails to condemn Hamas a terrorist organisation , I suppose the Palestinians in Israel have no rights and even the fact they have better rights then many surrounding nations and even more strange the population is growing.

I'm for Israel restarting the talks with all the parties involved to bring about a long term and robust settlement acceptable to all because that's the only way it will end.
That will not work, what will is the people of each country, your view point has been exhausted to death, what you need is perceptions to change with people on both sides to bring about change, thus making Israeli's themselves see that settlements are wrong, some do already, but more need to, that is how you bring about change,.

We must hope at least for that.

So no I hope for peace and reconciliation to come about through the people of both Israel and Palestine, where their voice becomes one

The claims to Nazi concentrations camps was fully explained and the differences made clear between what they were prior to the death camps but you just tried to twist it so that you could feign false indignation to try and dismiss the point he was making. It was obvious and you didn't teach me anything.

This is all about the debate and your hope for peace lies firmly in the future with no guarantees about anything when the solution is need right now.

Do you think life is good for the Arab Israeli's or is their discrimination within Israel itself against them?

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:50 am

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

I have given you one, where instead of blame and hate being used all the time the approach is this:

In the meantime let's keep communicating. The more Palestinians and Israelis actually talk to each other (without the middle men of media or governments) the better we will understand that we are all the same. That we all want, and deserve peace. And look! The tide is indeed turning. A recent poll in Palestine showed that the majority want Hamas out, and for their moderate leader Abbas to resume control and talk peace with Israel. Let's keep working to turn each other's hearts and minds. Join up on Facebook with "Israel loves Palestine' or with "Palestine loves Israel" and speak to each other, share stories of good will of hope. Only then can the people beat the powers that be and earn themselves and each other the peace they all deserve.

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Didge, the fundamental problem is the continued occupation and there is no commitment from Israel to stop the building so far. Hamas may well be out during the elections but given what has been happening over the past few weeks the Israeli actions have probably wrecked any chance of that happening.

Do you remember the post you made about the letter written by someone you respected as an authority on the subject - Alan Ben-Mier? I'm sure you do. Well read what he has written since...

The Curse of the Occupation

http://www.alonben-meir.com/article/curse-occupation/

No the fundamental problem is the hate viewed by some on each side that continue to fuel the conflicts and it will be as stated both Israelis and Palestinians changing perceptions bout each other. As seen hate has accomplished little and no talks will achieve anything unless you change the perceptions of people.

Dear me is this all you ever have, that if I respect one article, I should thus respect all articles by a writer?
That is not how history works Irn and is a lame argument. For example I think Max Hastings is an excellent writer on WW2, I do not think his views on Muslims though are excellent, but very poor, so do you see how it works, just because I respect some views of an individual, it does not mean I share them all, just like me and you, we share some views yet on others were do not. So using your logic where you think some of my posts are excellent you would then have to agree with everything I say, which of course is ridiculous, as you will disagree on some. So you need to give up constantly trying to use that view point, it does not hold any validity!

So you don't think that that article accurately sums up the fundamental problem to the Israeli/Palestinian problem and it's perceptions changing that will solve it.

Good grief

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:54 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

So no I hope for peace and reconciliation to come about through the people of both Israel and Palestine, where their voice becomes one

The claims to Nazi concentrations camps was fully explained and the differences made clear between what they were prior to the death camps but you just tried to twist it so that you could feign false indignation to try and dismiss the point he was making. It was obvious and you didn't teach me anything.
As seen I rubbished them a they were so utterly poor, where again you clearly do not understand the difference between a concentration and and death camp, so yes I did teach you that you know little on the subject, which I have studied extensively! His views were abhorrent to claim any comparison, because there was no similarity.

This is all about the debate and your hope for peace lies firmly in the future with no guarantees about anything when the solution is need right now.
The need right now is for a ceasefire, all else can be worked on

Do you think life is good for the Arab Israeli's or is their discrimination within Israel itself against them?

Why not ask many Israeli Arabs, you maybe surprised at their answers, because again this is backed by the fact the numbers are increasing not decreasing.

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:59 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

No the fundamental problem is the hate viewed by some on each side that continue to fuel the conflicts and it will be as stated both Israelis and Palestinians changing perceptions bout each other. As seen hate has accomplished little and no talks will achieve anything unless you change the perceptions of people.

Dear me is this all you ever have, that if I respect one article, I should thus respect all articles by a writer?
That is not how history works Irn and is a lame argument. For example I think Max Hastings is an excellent writer on WW2, I do not think his views on Muslims though are excellent, but very poor, so do you see how it works, just because I respect some views of an individual, it does not mean I share them all, just like me and you, we share some views yet on others were do not. So using your logic where you think some of my posts are excellent you would then have to agree with everything I say, which of course is ridiculous, as you will disagree on some. So you need to give up constantly trying to use that view point, it does not hold any validity!

So you don't think that that article accurately sums up the fundamental problem to the Israeli/Palestinian problem and it's perceptions changing that will solve it.

Good grief

You are doing it again poorly making wrongful claims. He makes some good points and some utterly very poor ones, again as stated my view point is to change perceptions, and you do this by not constantly attacking one side but by winning over the people.

So stop using others where you cannot debate for yourself, it is lame, use them as something to back your view, but to claim I should respect all in an article based off others is absurd.

My view stands which you have failed to show if it cannot work!

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:59 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

No the fundamental problem is the hate viewed by some on each side that continue to fuel the conflicts and it will be as stated both Israelis and Palestinians changing perceptions bout each other. As seen hate has accomplished little and no talks will achieve anything unless you change the perceptions of people.

Dear me is this all you ever have, that if I respect one article, I should thus respect all articles by a writer?
That is not how history works Irn and is a lame argument. For example I think Max Hastings is an excellent writer on WW2, I do not think his views on Muslims though are excellent, but very poor, so do you see how it works, just because I respect some views of an individual, it does not mean I share them all, just like me and you, we share some views yet on others were do not. So using your logic where you think some of my posts are excellent you would then have to agree with everything I say, which of course is ridiculous, as you will disagree on some. So you need to give up constantly trying to use that view point, it does not hold any validity!

So you don't think that that article accurately sums up the fundamental problem to the Israeli/Palestinian problem and it's perceptions changing that will solve it.

Good grief

You are doing it again poorly making wrongful claims. He makes some good points and some utterly very poor ones, again as stated my view point is to change perceptions, and you do this by not constantly attacking one side but by winning over the people.

So stop using others where you cannot debate for yourself, it is lame, use them as something to back your view, but to claim I should respect all in an article based off others is absurd.

My view stands which you have failed to show if it cannot work!

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:14 am

Didge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
Didge wrote:

So no I hope for peace and reconciliation to come about through the people of both Israel and Palestine, where their voice becomes one

The claims to Nazi concentrations camps was fully explained and the differences made clear between what they were prior to the death camps but you just tried to twist it so that you could feign false indignation to try and dismiss the point he was making. It was obvious and you didn't teach me anything.
As seen I rubbished them a they were so utterly poor, where again you clearly do not understand the difference between a concentration and and death camp, so yes I did teach you that you know little on the subject, which I have studied extensively! His views were abhorrent to claim any comparison, because there was no similarity.

This is all about the debate and your hope for peace lies firmly in the future with no guarantees about anything when the solution is need right now.
The need right now is for a ceasefire, all else can be worked on

Do you think life is good for the Arab Israeli's or is their discrimination within Israel itself against them?

Why not ask many Israeli Arabs, you maybe surprised at their answers, because again this is backed by the fact the numbers are increasing not decreasing.

No, you didn't rubbish them, the author quite clearly explained the difference but all you did was twist it to suit your agenda - it was obvious.

Well a start to a ceasefire would be for the Israeli's to restart the peace talks that they pulled out of in June.

How many Arab Israeli's living in Israel have you asked about how life is for them in Israel? Have you the results of a poll or something to show just how good life is for them?

I don't know any Arab Israeli's currently living in Israel but if you do then feel free to tell me you have spoken to them personally and give me their answers.

And because I don't know any Arab Israeli's currently living in Israel I am guided by someone who appears to know what life is really like for them so can I refer you again to Alan Ben-Mier who gives us his opinion on what it's really like.

Here it is

http://www.alonben-meir.com/article/israel-the-danger-from-within/

It's late now but I'll read your answer tomorrow when hopefully you will also show a more balanced view on the continuing conflict and not constantly keep telling us that Israel are complying with international humanitarian laws and respect the rights of the Palestinian people which they can't even sign up to.

Night CYA tomorrow.

by Guest Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:22 am

No Irn it was appalling and disgusting and you have not refuted my points on this even more so when you claimed he was not talking about Nazi concentration camps and named two of them.
It was vile and sick and if I met him would no doubt punch him in the face for posting such crap.

So you do not know any and make claims not them, well that is telling and really says much about your argument.

So you are going off what someone else says but not knowing many yourself, that shows you need to look into further before you just accept the view point on one. That is a very poor way to look at anything, seriously, I thought you researched better than that.

I have shown a way better balanced view on the problem that has gone on for decades, your view has been tried and failed countless times, my way, will ensure peace, because it is one to change perceptions and unite people with a common goal, peace.

To finish, no a ceasefire means having a ceasefire, then have talks, as seen already that is the issue, people having too many demands, what you want is for everyone to stop fighting and shows you really have much to learn

I have to go, but please research some more and not just look one sided at things, that shows you to be very impartial when looking into something

Night

by Irn Bru Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:34 am

Didge wrote wrote:
No Irn it was appalling and disgusting and you have not refuted my points on this even more so when you claimed he was not talking about Nazi concentration camps and named two of them.
It was vile and sick and if I met him would no doubt punch him in the face for posting such crap. .

No, I’m sorry Didge but the author clearly made the point that he was differentiating between the camps before the final settlement was introduced into them. It’s perfectly obvious that you have twisted it around so that you could feign disgust to try and detract from the point he was making. It’s as clear as a bell and it’ does you no favours in you doing that. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Didge wrote wrote:
So you do not know any and make claims not them, well that is telling and really says much about your argument. .

Well I did ask you to publish the results that you have got back from speaking to Arab Israeli’s currently living in Israel on this subject so please don’t keep me waiting. I’d like to see how many you have personally asked and what they said. You have asked some I take it
And of course they will be the views of someone else, won’t they? [/quote]

Didge wrote wrote:
So you are going off what someone else says but not knowing many yourself, that shows you need to look into further before you just accept the view point on one. That is a very poor way to look at anything, seriously, I thought you researched better than that. .

What a silly thing to say. You’re not in Israel are you so you must be going on what someone else says as well? Either that or you are really an Arab Israeli currently living in and posting from within Israel lol
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Didge wrote wrote:I have shown a way better balanced view on the problem that has gone on for decades, your view has been tried and failed countless times, my way, will ensure peace, because it is one to change perceptions and unite people with a common goal, peace. .

If you think that changing perceptions is the pathway to peace then I’m afraid they are all sunk because that would take years - don’t be silly. The Israeli’s have to return to the talks that they pulled out of and commit themselves to a long term and robust plan that will be long lasting. It’s the way forward Didge – you know it is.
Please feel free to counter the specific points that your respected and well informed political commentator has made. Please be as specific as you can as he has. Strange that you did think so much of him for his informed opinion before. Has that changed now?

Didge wrote wrote:
To finish, no a ceasefire means having a ceasefire, then have talks, as seen already that is the issue, people having too many demands, what you want is for everyone to stop fighting and shows you really have much to learn.

There was a ceasefire before all this but the Israeli’s pulled out of the talks back in June – remember? Of course you do.

Didge wrote wrote:
I have to go, but please research some more and not just look one sided at things, that shows you to be very impartial when looking into something
.

My view has always been to talk and not fight. Your view is so one sided evidenced by your continued defence of the Israeli’s in saying they are doing the right thing and they are complying with international law. They’re not so cut the crap out and just man up to it. The pattern is clear.

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:04 am

Irn Bru wrote:

My view has always been to talk and not fight. Your view is so one sided evidenced by your continued defence of the Israeli’s in saying they are doing the right thing and they are complying with international law. They’re not so cut the crap out and just man up to it. The pattern is clear.

Well as seen your views have done nothing over 60 years, clearly the way forward is with the people and changing perceptions that is why people like you have not the first clue about many things and why resentment and hate has always kept this conflict going, with each side blaming the other. Daft claims over who has rights to the lands, with even worse you and others with your pathetic ability to even condemn Hamas where I actually condemn Israel when they do wrong and if you rely on others to constantly argue your case, then this really is not me debating you but having to debate others because of your inability to do so. As seen talks accomplish little if those in power are not willing to compromise, showing again how misguided you are on the whole situation, hence why it takes people to bring about change from within their own country before you can bring about change and peace between two nations.
It is also a very absurd view point on Arabs in Israel on your past, as again you know not one, as I actually o and you cannot explain to me why they have not left in droves and gone to the West Bank or Gaza or any Muslim nation, this may give you a clue to the very fact their lives are so much better and that they have far better rights within Israel, so maybe you can explain that.

As to your ignorance of what a concentration camp is and your inability to admit you made an error on the camps and where he compares them to two Nazi contraction camps (you claimed no Nazi camps were stated), is typical and as disgusting as some of the left wing can get, you it seems fall into this category, to still stupidly back the view to something that has no similarity, this is the level of stupidity by some of the left, especially when they have it seems never even understand what a concentration camp was about, for you to even still defend such an absurd belief, shows how truly I am beginning to understand the level of hate you seem to have for Israel whilst being so silent it seems always to condemn Hams, that speaks volumes

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:03 am

Even the Daily Mail did a page on this and recognises how horrifying it was:

The moment 'unarmed civilian was shot dead by an Israeli sniper' as he desperately searched for his family: Palestinians release shocking video

This is the harrowing moment a young Palestinian man was allegedly shot by an Israeli sniper in front of a camera crew helping him search for his family before being fatally shot again as he struggled to get up.

The footage, which MailOnline can not independently verify, was captured by an activist from the pro-Palestinian International Solidarity Movement in the Shijaiyah neighbourhood of Gaza City.

Muhammad Abdellah claimed he and other ISM volunteers made their way into Shijaiyah on Sunday after the area came under prolonged and heavy bombardment from Israel, which claims the neighbourhood is a major source for Hamas rocket fire against its civilians.

He said that the ISM team came across a young Palestinian man, who told them he was looking for his family, and that they followed him in an attempt to help him find his relatives.

As the group tried to make their way across a heavily damaged area, shots suddenly rang out.

The first sent the group scrambling for cover, but did not hit anyone, but the second hits the man in the green t-shirt.

'Israeli soldier sniper hit him in his hip, so he laid down. And I started to ask him 'can you move?' Because if he can move, maybe he can roll around and go to the other place, but he said 'no, I cannot move, like my blood is going everywhere.''

Abdellah explained that he and the other ISM volunteers were unable to approach the young man, amid fears they would be targeted too.

Then, the Palestinian was hit a second time as he lay on the ground.

'And that bullet, I guess it was in his heart or like or almost there, because he was like going and dying in front of our eyes,' the activist said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2701043/The-shocking-moment-Palestinian-civilian-shot-dead-Israeli-sniper-lying-defenceless-floor-earlier-hit.html#ixzz38GyEiP00
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by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:12 am

Errrrm... where is the evidence this happened?

Where is the evidence this man was shot by an "Israeli sniper"?

Also, that man looks just like an actor.

Modern war - they're so clever at it!

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:46 am

Claim 1: A volunteer aid worker was killed by an Israeli sniper
A graphic video posted on YouTube (by pro-Palestinian group the International Solidarity Movement) on Monday and widely shared on Twitter purportedly shows a young man killed by an Israeli sniper while trying to rescue survivors of a missile strike in the Shuja’iyya neighbourhood of Gaza City.
The video has been widely covered but has still not been independently verified. The closest we can get is this verified photo from Sunday showing a similarly dressed man carrying a stretcher in the same suburb.
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Israeli War Crimes Caught on Tape 18896-1op8j7i

(Picture: EPA/Mohamed Saber)

Claim 2: An Israeli soldier posted a photo of a Palestinian child in his crosshairs on Instagram
He did, but in February last year.
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Israeli War Crimes Caught on Tape 18896-1cb6duf

Claim 3: Children are signing shells destined for Gaza ‘From Israel with love’
They did, but the picture dates from 2006, when Israel was at war with Hezbollah.

Claim 4: The Israel Defence Forces tweeted a picture of Westminster under missile fire with the words “What would you do?”
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Israeli War Crimes Caught on Tape Israel-gaza-parliament-pi

Yes, they did. They were criticised for a lack of awareness around the IRA bombing campaign in London, and the British military response.

Claim 5: A Palestinian man tears his shirt after being told his son was killed in a shelling attack upon a beach in Gaza

The photo is, sadly, genuine.
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Israeli War Crimes Caught on Tape 18896-o21dbn

(Picture: Rex / Hosam Salem)

Claim 6: Israeli soldiers smile as they pose with dead Palestinians
The graphic images, which have been shared on Twitter, are believed to be real, but are from 2010 (warning, very graphic images).

Claim 7: An Israeli sniper killed British peace activist Tom Hurndall as he tried to save a Palestinian child
This photo has been widely shared on Twitter. Tom died in January 2004, having spent nine months in a coma after being shot by an Israeli sniper in Rafah. Taysir Hayb was sentenced to eight years in prison after being convicted of manslaughter by an Israeli military court.

Claim 8: Israelis are watching artillery and missiles strike Gaza from Sderot, cheering whenever they land

They are, but have also defended their actions.
CNN pulled correspondent Diana Magnay from covering the conflict after she said Israelis cheering such strikes were “scum”.
She defended her now-deleted tweet, claiming she was only referring to those who were threatening her and her camera crew.

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http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/trying-to-separate-fact-from-fiction-on-social-media-in-israelgaza--x1iaujeTWl

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:50 am

So after all that, no Israeli's were cheering, which shows the journalist lied, hence why she was removed and the claim to the person being killed by a sniper is not verified.
Shows be careful on media stories covering this, as all is never as it seems in most cases

by Fuzzy Zack Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:31 am

Didge wrote:So after all that, no Israeli's were cheering, which shows the journalist lied, hence why she was removed and the claim to the person being killed by a sniper is not verified.
Shows be careful on media stories covering this, as all is never as it seems in most cases

Nice - excusing war crimes. I bet you've been searching all night. Lol!

The problem is that Israel won't even allow an independent investigation. Not in this conflict and not in previous ones either.

Indicating they have a lot to hide. Nor matter what news is verified, you will find an excuse for the inexcusable.

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:59 am

Didge wrote:So after all that, no Israeli's were cheering, which shows the journalist lied, hence why she was removed and the claim to the person being killed by a sniper is not verified.
Shows be careful on media stories covering this, as all is never as it seems in most cases

Think you had better read again, it say THEY ARE but defended their action. Defended cheering bombs killing civilians? Nice. And she was removed for calling them SCUM, and says she was referring to the ones threatening her, and nobody has said there were none threatening her.

The sniper has not been verified, but there it is on the tape, and trying to verify anything in Gaza at the moment is impossible. It has not been proved to be incorrect and looking at it, any sane person can see it's true.

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:03 am

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:So after all that, no Israeli's were cheering, which shows the journalist lied, hence why she was removed and the claim to the person being killed by a sniper is not verified.
Shows be careful on media stories covering this, as all is never as it seems in most cases

Nice - excusing war crimes. I bet you've been searching all night. Lol!

The problem is that Israel won't even allow an independent investigation. Not in this conflict and not in previous ones either.

Indicating they have a lot to hide. Nor matter what news is verified, you will find an excuse for the inexcusable.

Eh?

This is about correcting what is clearly some poor manipulation by some within the media, which is wrong, I have condemned war crimes by Israel where you have failed to do the same with Hamas when they fire rockets, which every single one is a war crime.
Of course I see you wish to deflect this onto me, just because I post an article that either backs the truth or rightly shows something that is dated or a lie.
I mean look at the reaction of sexy when she saw that thread, and we have another thread where Jews are being set on in France, are you not concerned such articles can incite violence?
I defend the exact same when Muslims are wrongly tarnished and then the same where they are attacked off the back of poor articles that incite.
So clearly it is fine when I do the right thing where innocent Muslims are wrongly accused of something and where a newspaper that is very much against Israel in its attacks posts an article correcting some poor claims and a lie on people cheering is corrected, you make absurd view points on to me.

Go figure

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:06 am

Sassy wrote:
Didge wrote:So after all that, no Israeli's were cheering, which shows the journalist lied, hence why she was removed and the claim to the person being killed by a sniper is not verified.
Shows be careful on media stories covering this, as all is never as it seems in most cases

Think you had better read again, it say THEY ARE but defended their action. Defended cheering bombs killing civilians? Nice. And she was removed for calling them SCUM, and says she was referring to the ones threatening her, and nobody has said there were none threatening her.

The sniper has not been verified, but there it is on the tape, and trying to verify anything in Gaza at the moment is impossible. It has not been proved to be incorrect and looking at it, any sane person can see it's true.

There is nothing to read again, the reported was pulled for telling porkies, she was annoyed at what was said to her, and again the Independent is not pro Israel, so why would they lie and there is a link to counter the claim you posted.?
So you posted a very poor article, which as seen incited Sexy with the most terrible response, what do you think thus would do to others where they resort to actual violence, or does your hatred of Israel run so deep you are willing to continue a lie?

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:15 am

Sassy wrote:
Didge wrote:So after all that, no Israeli's were cheering, which shows the journalist lied, hence why she was removed and the claim to the person being killed by a sniper is not verified.
Shows be careful on media stories covering this, as all is never as it seems in most cases

Think you had better read again, it say THEY ARE but defended their action. Defended cheering bombs killing civilians? Nice. And she was removed for calling them SCUM, and says she was referring to the ones threatening her, and nobody has said there were none threatening her.

The sniper has not been verified, but there it is on the tape, and trying to verify anything in Gaza at the moment is impossible. It has not been proved to be incorrect and looking at it, any sane person can see it's true.

If a journalist had called a Muslim scum she would be in jail now awaiting trial and probably be given the death penalty .

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:18 am

I guess you didn't understand what they wrote then Didge, or doesn't THEY WERE register with you. The rest of it was in your link as well.

And stop trying to infer that I incited Sexy, we were both very angry about the same thing, in fact it could be said that your responses showed her how little was being understood or cared about and infuriated her even more.

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:21 am

Sassy wrote:I guess you didn't understand what they wrote then Didge, or doesn't THEY WERE register with you. The rest of it was in your link as well.

And stop trying to infer that I incited Sexy, we were both very angry about the same thing, in fact it could be said that your responses showed her how little was being understood or cared about and infuriated her even more.

i am able to read very well, it just shows how gullible you are and as seen how you incite people with such a poor article, this was evident by Sexy's reaction, but then you are not mindful, when such things happen, as it happens to Muslim within are media, and you are the first to state that they are incitement and then you contradict yourself to do the exact same. What is worse is you are so blind to the fact you are doing it

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:22 am

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israelis-gather-hill-watch-gaza-strip-670043702

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:22 am

Didge wrote:So after all that, no Israeli's were cheering, which shows the journalist lied, hence why she was removed and the claim to the person being killed by a sniper is not verified.
Shows be careful on media stories covering this, as all is never as it seems in most cases

didge thank you very much for researching and posting this . I appreciate your time on this because so many lies and rumours get out of hand and make one side look bad .

so thank you again x

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:24 am

Didge wrote:
Sassy wrote:I guess you didn't understand what they wrote then Didge, or doesn't THEY WERE register with you. The rest of it was in your link as well.

And stop trying to infer that I incited Sexy, we were both very angry about the same thing, in fact it could be said that your responses showed her how little was being understood or cared about and infuriated her even more.

i am able to read very well, it just shows how gullible you are and as seen how you incite people with such a poor article, this was evident by Sexy's reaction, but then you are not mindful, when such things happen, as it happens to Muslim within are media, and you are the first to state that they are incitement and then you contradict yourself to do the exact same. What is worse is you are so blind to the fact you are doing it

You can goad all you like Didge, you are not only blind to what you do, but deaf and dumb. I haven't contradicted myself, you have refused to recognise what was on your own link. THEY WERE cheering, your link says so.

by Guest Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:28 am

Sassy wrote:
Didge wrote:

i am able to read very well, it just shows how gullible you are and as seen how you incite people with such a poor article, this was evident by Sexy's reaction, but then you are not mindful, when such things happen, as it happens to Muslim within are media, and you are the first to state that they are incitement and then you contradict yourself to do the exact same. What is worse is you are so blind to the fact you are doing it

You can goad all you like Didge, you are not only blind to what you do, but deaf and dumb. I haven't contradicted myself, you have refused to recognise what was on your own link. THEY WERE cheering, your link says so.

i am not goading but correcting you and making you aware of the danger of posting such articles that are incitement, which as seen does incite hate, which you fail to understand the damage of such misleading articles do, I have posted their version of the events, which is also on the original link from the Independent! Even the reported deleted her original tweet, which shows to you what she said was wrong.
It seems you will never understand this and why you actually fuel hate

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