Put Free Palestine on your Bank Notes

First topic message reminder :

A recent report has said that people in Palestine have begun writing 'Free Palestine' on each Israeli shekel bank note that passes through their hands.

No matter what country you are from, no matter what currency you use.. please: every time you get ANY note in that currency, write on it in pen or permanent marker if possible 'FREE PALESTINE'. This is a global event, if it is illegal in your country to write on notes, please do not break the law. If it not, write away.

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Ok, so some of my friends and I have started doing this. If you see a speech bubble coming out from the Queen's mouth saying "Free Palestine", that's me.

WARNING: defacing bank notes is illegal in the UK and can be fined £200 for each count, according to Currency and Bank Notes Act 1928. But rarely enforced.

gerber wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You do know that the UK government are funding ISIS via social media advertisng revenues?

Really ?  where is the link

Are you being serious   

See Didge's link.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:Hello Zack

Why not start with something that would help Palestine obtain its freedom by writing Free Gaza from Hamas?
You are not going to resolve a problem, when there is extremists on both sides who continually wish to seek war and aggression with each other, plus the fact I am not going to deface the currency whilst such extremists are in power.

Because Hamas haven't taken anyone's land.

Israel have and have the power to actually 'free' the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

+10

Israel have voted for the furthest right Government and the most warmongering, no-one tells them to get rid of them.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:Hello Zack

Why not start with something that would help Palestine obtain its freedom by writing Free Gaza from Hamas?
You are not going to resolve a problem, when there is extremists on both sides who continually wish to seek war and aggression with each other, plus the fact I am not going to deface the currency whilst such extremists are in power.

Because Hamas haven't taken anyone's land.

Israel have and have the power to actually 'free' the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

But Hamas does seem to be indiscriminately lobbing a few missiles across the border.

I share Didge's concern. Hamas is Iran; Iran covets nuclear weapons. Besides the missile strikes, I'm not comfortable with Hamas playing with delivery systems under the circumstances.

Tough frankly.   Mossad set up the kidnapping, already put the link of the Mossad chief a week before it happened wondering what would happen if three teenagers from the settlement were abducted, then they burnt a teenager to death.   If you expect them to allow that and say thanks, you're nuts.

Sassy wrote:Tough frankly.   Mossad set up the kidnapping, already put the link of the Mossad chief a week before it happened wondering what would happen if three teenagers from the settlement were abducted, then they burnt a teenager to death.   If you expect them to allow that and say thanks, you're nuts.

We've discussed this a lot before. I see Israel is poised to invade Gaza. Isn't that what I said would happen if they couldn't secure that border? Really, it's what any country would do.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:Hello Zack

Why not start with something that would help Palestine obtain its freedom by writing Free Gaza from Hamas?
You are not going to resolve a problem, when there is extremists on both sides who continually wish to seek war and aggression with each other, plus the fact I am not going to deface the currency whilst such extremists are in power.

Because Hamas haven't taken anyone's land.

Israel have and have the power to actually 'free' the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Incorrect, Israel was granted a nation by the UN, so was Palestine, where neither had one before under British and formerly Ottoman rule, they stupidly and wrongly did not accept and went to war and Israel does have the power, but would you, when that group has vowed to wipe you out?

Hamas are extremists who themselves will not relinquish power, who since being elected have not allowed any further eclections

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:Tough frankly.   Mossad set up the kidnapping, already put the link of the Mossad chief a week before it happened wondering what would happen if three teenagers from the settlement were abducted, then they burnt a teenager to death.   If you expect them to allow that and say thanks, you're nuts.

We've discussed this a lot before.  I see Israel is poised to invade Gaza.  Isn't that what I said would happen if they couldn't secure that border?  Really, it's what any country would do.

Yes Quill, and you have been totally wrong before. They probably set it up to invade and the reaction they got has made them withdraw the troops they had gathered on the border. They have desperately been trying to get America etc to lobby the UN and stop them being condemned, so far it looks as if that didn't work either.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Because Hamas haven't taken anyone's land.

Israel have and have the power to actually 'free' the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Incorrect, Israel was granted a nation by the UN, so was Palestine, where neither had one before under British and formerly Ottoman rule, they stupidly and wrongly did not accept and went to war and Israel does have the power, but would you, when that group has vowed to wipe you out?

Hamas are extremists who themselves will not relinquish power, who since being elected have not allowed any further eclections

And the land Israel was granted is now a tiny bit of Israel and the rest is Palestinian land they have stolen.

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:


Incorrect, Israel was granted a nation by the UN, so was Palestine, where neither had one before under British and formerly Ottoman rule, they stupidly and wrongly did not accept and went to war and Israel does have the power, but would you, when that group has vowed to wipe you out?

Hamas are extremists who themselves will not relinquish power, who since being elected have not allowed any further eclections

And the land Israel was granted is now a tiny bit of Israel and the rest is Palestinian land they have stolen.

Again irrelevant because they wrongly went to war not accepting the UN resolution, which they never themselves had such a nation and until the Palestinians do something about Hamas, no Power in their right minds would relinquish control to terrorists who have vowed to wipe them out!
Again why do you keep backing an extremist group, I do not back the Zionists, I think they are wrong also, but have you not even read about how Hamas treats the Palestinians. It would be like handing over Northern Ireland with allowing the IRA to be in power, ignoring the plight of many Northern Irish people!!

Why to do you keep backing an extremist Government that has killed and maimed thousand of Palestinian children, stolen their land, flattened their houses, put occupation barriers in their own country, does not allow them their own water, stops them fishing in their own waters, shoots farmers tending their fields, the list is endless, but you keep supporting them.

Sassy wrote:Why to do you keep backing an extremist Government that has killed and maimed thousand of Palestinian children, stolen their land, flattened their houses, put occupation barriers in their own country, does not allow them their own water, stops them fishing in their own waters, shoots farmers tending their fields, the list is endless, but you keep supporting them.

Israel is not an extremist Government, in fact Arabs have far better rights than they do under either Hamas or Fatah, in fact at no point has the Israel Government been labeled an extremist organisation, where again all of this was brought about by the Palestinians refusing to accept a UN resolution, which you seem to miss at every turn, where again Hamas, who are labeled and rightly so called terrorists you back who in power have failed to allow any elections after promising they would and treat its citizens as bad as ISIS.
So again the problem is with Hamas, I o not deny problems with the Zionists, and have said the building of illegal settlements are wrong also, I am more concerned you back extremists to stay in power without a say by the people.

So you back terrorists over common sense

Without a say by the people? They were voted in Didge, or did you not notice that.

Israeli Government not extremist?

They have done nothing about the 'price tag' extremists in Israel and actively worked against prosecuting them. Do you know what a 'price tag' extremist is. They are Jewish settlers on Palestinian land that say Muslims and Christians must pay the price for the Government not allowing them to take further land, and yet the Government IS allowing them to take further land. While the so called 'peace process' was going on, more settlements on Palestinian land was going on. So the Government makes the right noises, while patting them on the back under the table.

This from a Christian site in May this year:

Just weeks before Pope Francis makes his first pilgrimage to the Holy Land in late May, Christians in Israel are grappling with an upsurge in threats and attacks on churches by Jewish extremists.

Last week, an assailant defaced the Notre Dame of Jerusalem Center, the local headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, scribbling graffiti in Hebrew reading, "Death to Arabs and Christians and to everyone who hates Israel." This followed a letter received by a top Catholic official that threatened to kill him and other Catholic clergy in Israel.

Vandals also damaged a Romanian Orthodox Church in Jerusalem, spray-painting it with the words: "price tag," "Jesus is garbage," and "King David for the Jews." It was another of a wave of both anti-Christian and anti-Arab graffiti and vandalism that has swept through Israel in recent weeks.

The attacks are largely believed to be carried by Jewish extremists who are now almost daily defacing Christian and Muslim property and places of worship inside Israel and areas controlled by Palestinian authorities. The extremists say their graffiti and vandalism is the "price tag" for the government trying to restrain West Bank Jewish settlers.

On Sunday, the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem Fouad Twal, the Vatican's most senior cleric in Israel, said, "The unrestrained acts of vandalism poison the atmosphere, the atmosphere of coexistence and the atmosphere of collaboration, especially in these two weeks prior to the visit of Pope Francis."

The patriarch called the price-tag assaults acts of "terror." He accused the authorities of not doing enough to bring the perpetrators to justice, saying, "The actions are drawing only condemnation by Israeli leaders but few arrests."

"This wave of extremist actions of terror is surely of grave concern to all reasonable persons," Twal said. The Jordanian-born patriarch added, "The government of Israel must be concerned, because it is very bad for the State of Israel's image abroad. It is also a blight on the democracy that Israel ascribes to itself."

"Everyone knows the Israeli police set up special units to track attacks like these. In light of the fact that the great majority of vandalism acts do not lead to trials, we must ask if the government is willing to get down to the root of the problem," he said.

Twal did, however, praise Israeli Justice Minister Tzipi Livni for holding an emergency meeting last week with the country's top security officials to try to tackle the growing problem. Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported that Israeli security services fear that Jewish radicals might carry out a major hate crime against Christians or their institutions to garner media attention during the pope's pilgrimage.

An earlier statement by the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem said, "The bishops are very concerned about the lack of security and lack of responsiveness from the [Israeli] political sector, and fear an escalation of violence." It added that there has been "no gesture of solidarity or condemnation" from Israel's political establishment. "We feel neither safe nor protected."
Death Threatened

At the start of May, Bishop Boulos Marcuzzo, Latin Patriarchal Vicar General in Israel, received a message from a suspected Jewish extremist threatening to kill the Catholic leader, his priests, and other Christians who refused to leave Israel by May 5, 2014. (This message for unknown reasons excluded Protestants and Anglicans.)

The message accused Christians of "defiling Israel by only breathing its holy air" and tarnishing God's name. Israeli police later arrested a man suspected of issuing the threat to Bishop Marcuzzo.

Palestinian Christians familiar with the incident alleged that the threatening document was written as halacha. Halacha is a comprehensive set of laws, guidelines, and opinions derived from the Hebrew Bible that help some devout Jews to "be holy as I your God am holy." The document describes Christianity as pagan worship and attempts to justify aggression against Christians.

According to sources consulted by CT, the Chief Rabbinate of Israel has condemned as criminal and sinful any price-tag actions and writings. Rabbis and Jewish communities have followed suit.

The Assembly of Catholic Ordinaries in the Holy Land said that the death threat was received around the same time that unidentified perpetrators vandalized a church and broke its cross in Tabgha, along the northwestern shore of the Sea of Galilee. A mosque was also attacked.

At the time of publication, Assembly leaders told CT that it had not yet received an official response from the Israeli government.

"Our past condemnations have fallen on deaf ears or at best empty promises from [Israeli] officials," read the Assembly's statement, issued following vandalism of the church and mosque.

"[Israeli] officials shouldn't give the perpetrators the impression that they're above the law," the statement said. "The time has come to join forces with a view to ending this dangerous phenomenon."

The Assembly told CT that it received a note of support addressed to Bishop Marcuzzo from a private study center for Jewish-Christian relations in Galilee. It read: "We at the Galilee Center for Studies in Jewish-Christian Relations were shocked and saddened to learn of three recent attacks against Christians in the Galilee."

"It is especially disturbing to note that these actions took place precisely as the country was readying itself to commemorate the massacre of six million Jews in the Shoah. The slogan 'never again!' requires Jews to prevent fanaticism, prejudice, and violence from gaining the upper hand, especially in Israel. It is the duty of every Israeli to speak out against this reprehensible behavior against our own citizens and residents."

"Christians are woven deeply into the fabric of the Galilee. We stand in solidarity with our Christian friends and neighbors, students and teachers. Together we must strive to eradicate this xenophobic tendency that exists among us," it added. "We call on the state of Israel to pursue this criminal matter with the utmost seriousness."

Full-Blown Racism?

So far, no one has been successfully prosecuted despite hundreds of arrests made, according to the AFP French news agency and evangelical Christian Arabs, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

They said that some 400 incidents were perpetrated against Christians and Muslims in Israel and the Palestinian Authority areas last year. Israeli police report that most of those arrested are minors—under age 18—complicating the juridical process.

But critics say that because the vandalism is classified as crime rather than terrorism, the bar for police searches and arrests is set high. Evidence can be hard to get because assailants often act alone. It's also believed that police are not permitted to search a home without a court order, and can only detain a suspect for 24 hours without charge. This can add a lot of time pressure to locate evidence.

AFP said that attacks initially targeted Palestinian property in response to Israeli government moves to squelch unauthorized Jewish settlements. The scope has recently grown to what appears to be a full-blown racism against non-Jews.

Some evangelical Arab Christians living in Israel said they believed it was a new development, emerging with price-tag attacks moving from Jerusalem and predominately Palestinian areas up into the Galilee region of northern Israel.

Alex Awad, dean of the Bethlehem Bible College and an Arab Christian, offered this explanation during a CT interview, when Jewish settlers feel their interests are threatened: "They then resort to attacking either Christian or Muslim holy sites. Jewish settlers in the West Bank are becoming stronger and stronger. They are armed." He added, "Certainly they can intimidate the Palestinian population, including the Christian presence in the Holy Land."

The U.S. State Department mentioned price-tag attacks for the first time last month in its 2013 Country Reports on Terrorism. The report appeared to indicate that the Obama administration does not believe Israel is adequately prosecuting perpetrators of such hate crimes. Israel's Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein said he will ask the courts to sharpen penalties against the perpetrators of hate crimes, according to the Israeli daily Haaretz.
Attacks on Jewish Sites

Israel National News or Arutz Sheva 7 reported that anonymous assailants carried out price-tag vandalism earlier this week at the Conservative Moreshet Yisrael synagogue in Jerusalem.

On a sign at the entrance to the synagogue, Jewish stars were scrawled with Nazi swastikas in the center.

Arutz Sheva 7 reported a spokesman for the synagogue saying it was the third case of vandalism in recent days. It said that Attorney Yizhar Hass, director of the Conservative movement, held Jewish rather than Arab leaders responsible.

"The serious graffiti on the Conservative synagogue in the center of Jerusalem . . . again reminds how much hate crimes are a slippery slope. Those who yesterday gave Jewish legal justification, explicit or intimated, to 'price tag' criminals, today give justification to the attack on liberal synagogues," Hass said.

The synagogue's rabbi, Rabbi Adam Frank, reportedly said, "We're no longer on a slippery slope, we're in free fall."
Officials respond

Israel's Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch visited several sites in the Galilee area of Yokne'am subjected to price-tag attacks earlier this week and spoke about the troubling development with the town's mayor, the Israeli press reported.

For their part, the Palestinians are demanding that price-tag attacks be designated as acts of terrorism. The Palestinian Authority's Foreign Minister Riyad Maliki said his government has prepared a case against price-tag attackers and has written a letter to the United Nations, the U.S. State Department, and other world organizations, demanding to have the perpetrators put on the list of international terrorist organizations.

Maliki claims Israeli officials already internally refer to price-tag attacks as terrorism. "We have quotes from Israeli officials that already refer to them as terrorist organizations operating out of hatred for Arabs," the letter reportedly read.

Palestinians living in Israel are normally referred to as Arab Israelis. An Arab Israeli member of Israel's parliament or Knesset, Issawi Frej, proposed a bill stating that victims of price-tag attacks against Arabs will be recognized and compensated on the same scale as terror attack victims. But the Knesset's Ministerial Committee for Legislation categorically rejected the bill on Sunday, May 11.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/may-web-only/price-tag-israeli-extremists-target-christians.html?paging=off

Wow another C&P Sassy, show me where the UN Claim they are an extremist government?
Not what some Jewish extremists do, who I have already condemned in the Zionists!!


Try again

Original Quill wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Because Hamas haven't taken anyone's land.

Israel have and have the power to actually 'free' the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

But Hamas does seem to be indiscriminately lobbing a few missiles across the border.

I share Didge's concern.  Hamas is Iran; Iran covets nuclear weapons.  Besides the missile strikes, I'm not comfortable with Hamas playing with delivery systems under the circumstances.

Extremists on both sides provoke each and this is the result: innocents die.

I am against indiscriminate killing also, Jew or Palestinian. Esp children, who are all innocent.

But the fact remains, only Israel (and their international backing) have the power to stop this. By freeing Palestine - completely.

To be honest, I don't believe in a 2 solution. There is no reason why Jews, Christians and Muslims can't live and love together. It's been done before, in the same land.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Because Hamas haven't taken anyone's land.

Israel have and have the power to actually 'free' the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Incorrect, Israel was granted a nation by the UN, so was Palestine, where neither had one before under British and formerly Ottoman rule, they stupidly and wrongly did not accept and went to war and Israel does have the power, but would you, when that group has vowed to wipe you out?

Hamas are extremists who themselves will not relinquish power, who since being elected have not allowed any further eclections

And it is that stubborn attitude that is the 'real' extremism.

FYI you will find many leaders of the Zionist movement who have openly called for the extermination of all Arabs. So you can imagine why your attitude doesn't wash with me.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

But Hamas does seem to be indiscriminately lobbing a few missiles across the border.

I share Didge's concern.  Hamas is Iran; Iran covets nuclear weapons.  Besides the missile strikes, I'm not comfortable with Hamas playing with delivery systems under the circumstances.

Extremists on both sides provoke each and this is the result: innocents die.

I am against indiscriminate killing also, Jew or Palestinian. Esp children, who are all innocent.

But the fact remains, only Israel (and their international backing) have the power to stop this. By freeing Palestine - completely.

To be honest, I don't believe in a 2 solution. There is no reason why Jews, Christians and Muslims can't live and love together. It's been done before, in the same land.

Absolutely agree, until Israel free Palestine, there is no hope for a solution, but at the moment, by allowing more and more occupation they are simply condoning the Israeli settlers who have become extremist.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

But Hamas does seem to be indiscriminately lobbing a few missiles across the border.

I share Didge's concern.  Hamas is Iran; Iran covets nuclear weapons.  Besides the missile strikes, I'm not comfortable with Hamas playing with delivery systems under the circumstances.

Extremists on both sides provoke each and this is the result: innocents die.

I am against indiscriminate killing also, Jew or Palestinian. Esp children, who are all innocent.

But the fact remains, only Israel (and their international backing) have the power to stop this. By freeing Palestine - completely.

To be honest, I don't believe in a 2 solution. There is no reason why Jews, Christians and Muslims can't live and love together. It's been done before, in the same land.

Incorrect, the Palestinian people also have the chance to stop this by taking back control from Hamas, Israeli's also have to take away control by some of the Zionists, and again only peace will come when both sides recognize each others existence and through reconciliation placing the view just on Israel is not going to resolve this, when both sides need to make concessions, which is never going to happen with Hamas in power, who again have vowed to wipe Israel out.

I am against any killing, so again what did we have here, a problem that started with extremists killing Jewish children, then extremists killing a Palestinian child, to then Hamas fire rockets into Israel with Israel then retaliate, thus pointing to the one problem again, Hamas. It care little for its citizens, and places many of its armed facilities deliberately within civilian areas, which Israel is not shy from attacking such facilities to protect its nation, of which any nation would do. It was one of the faults of the British Government when we were fighting the IRA, the armed British forces knew who were the IRA, but were never allowed to go after them. So itis Hamas that is placing civilians in harms way
On your last point would both people's be better off under Hamas or the Israeli Government?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Incorrect, Israel was granted a nation by the UN, so was Palestine, where neither had one before under British and formerly Ottoman rule, they stupidly and wrongly did not accept and went to war and Israel does have the power, but would you, when that group has vowed to wipe you out?

Hamas are extremists who themselves will not relinquish power, who since being elected have not allowed any further eclections

And it is that stubborn attitude that is the 'real' extremism.

FYI you will find many leaders of the Zionist movement who have openly called for the extermination of all Arabs. So you can imagine why your attitude doesn't wash with me.

Really, I am against all extremism, where I have already stated I am against Zionists, maybe you need to put some specs on to see I have already condemned them, yet you fail to condemn Hamas, why is that?
That means I condemn both sides, why is it you only center on one?

Hamas is defending its land.

Thats what you dont understand Didge.

If it wasnt for Hamas there wouldn't be any Palestinians left

SEXY MAMA wrote:Hamas is defending its land.

Thats what you dont understand Didge.

If it wasnt for Hamas there wouldn't be any Palestinians left

Hamas are terrorists, and no they are not defending anything, the Palestinians were given a land as were Israel and decided to go to war and if it was not for Hamas, there might be peace now, where again reconciliation is the only way forward.

What I also find wrong with this thread is both you and Zack are Muslims, and speak openly against the plight of Palestine, where is the call to place on bank notes free Saudi from Wahhabism, Free?
Free Christian Copts from Islamic oppression in Egypt?

I could go on, but not having a go because you are Muslims, but because you are Muslims, you are biased only to speak out for Muslims, not against Muslim Governments that treat its people poorly

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Extremists on both sides provoke each and this is the result: innocents die.

I am against indiscriminate killing also, Jew or Palestinian. Esp children, who are all innocent.

But the fact remains, only Israel (and their international backing) have the power to stop this. By freeing Palestine - completely.

To be honest, I don't believe in a 2 solution. There is no reason why Jews, Christians and Muslims can't live and love together. It's been done before, in the same land.

Incorrect, the Palestinian people also have the chance to stop this by taking back control from Hamas, Israeli's also have to take away control by some of the Zionists, and again only peace will come when both sides recognize each others existence and through reconciliation placing the view just on Israel is not going to resolve this, when both sides need to make concessions, which is never going to happen with Hamas in power, who again have vowed to wipe Israel out.

I am against any killing, so again what did we have here, a problem that started with extremists killing Jewish children, then extremists killing a Palestinian child, to then Hamas fire rockets into Israel with Israel then retaliate, thus pointing to the one problem again, Hamas. It care little for its citizens, and places many of its armed facilities deliberately within civilian areas, which Israel is not shy from attacking such facilities to protect its nation, of which any nation would do. It was one of the faults of the British Government when we were fighting the IRA, the armed British forces knew who were the IRA, but were never allowed to go after them. So itis Hamas that is placing civilians in harms way
On your last point would both people's be better off under Hamas or the Israeli Government?

Like I said, it is the stubborn attitude of forcing Hamas outside the negotiation table that is the real extremism.

President Morsi actually negotiated a cease fire between Hamas and Israel. Then the US force him out and replace him with General Sissi. Sissi listened to Israel and broke Egyptian links with Hamas.

Then Fatah 'finally' come to a settlement with Hamas, to unify the politics of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Instead of trying to make peace, Israel squander this opportunity by making Fatah the enemy.

Netanyahu can't deliver peace as he's empowered by extremists. And you expect the innocent Palestinians to do something about Hamas? I think you're naive and ignorant.

Like I said, Israelis have openly called for the extermination of Arabs. So your attitude about Hamas doesn't wash with me. I think you need to grow up. ;-)

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

And it is that stubborn attitude that is the 'real' extremism.

FYI you will find many leaders of the Zionist movement who have openly called for the extermination of all Arabs. So you can imagine why your attitude doesn't wash with me.

Really, I am against all extremism, where I have already stated I am against Zionists, maybe you need to put some specs on to see I have already condemned them, yet you fail to condemn Hamas, why is that?
That means I condemn both sides, why is it you only center on one?

I think you failed to understand my point. I have clarified above.

Didge wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:Hamas is defending its land.

Thats what you dont understand Didge.

If it wasnt for Hamas there wouldn't be any Palestinians left

Hamas are terrorists, and no they are not defending anything, the Palestinians were given a land as were Israel and decided to go to war and if it was not for Hamas, there might be peace now, where again reconciliation is the only way forward.

What I also find wrong with this thread is both you and Zack are Muslims, and speak openly against the plight of Palestine, where is the call to place on bank notes free Saudi from Wahhabism, Free?
Free Christian Copts from Islamic oppression in Egypt?

I could go on, but not having a go because you are Muslims, but because you are Muslims, you are biased only to speak out for Muslims, not against Muslim Governments that treat its people poorly

Lol.

Because im a Muslim im biased?

No its because i know the truth Didge.

If i were you i would actually go and read unbiased articles.

The Israelies have OPENLY said many many times they want to WIPE OUT THE palestinians.

Didge wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:Hamas is defending its land.

Thats what you dont understand Didge.

If it wasnt for Hamas there wouldn't be any Palestinians left

Hamas are terrorists, and no they are not defending anything, the Palestinians were given a land as were Israel and decided to go to war and if it was not for Hamas, there might be peace now, where again reconciliation is the only way forward.

What I also find wrong with this thread is both you and Zack are Muslims, and speak openly against the plight of Palestine, where is the call to place on bank notes free Saudi from Wahhabism, Free?
Free Christian Copts from Islamic oppression in Egypt?

I could go on, but not having a go because you are Muslims, but because you are Muslims, you are biased only to speak out for Muslims, not against Muslim Governments that treat its people poorly

Because Hamas is a consequence of Zionism. Cause and effect. It's the only effective way to get peace. Now and for everyone.

The peaceful solution exists but extremists on both sides reject it.

But Israel still has the power. And therefore, the responsibility. It's logical.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Incorrect, the Palestinian people also have the chance to stop this by taking back control from Hamas, Israeli's also have to take away control by some of the Zionists, and again only peace will come when both sides recognize each others existence and through reconciliation placing the view just on Israel is not going to resolve this, when both sides need to make concessions, which is never going to happen with Hamas in power, who again have vowed to wipe Israel out.

I am against any killing, so again what did we have here, a problem that started with extremists killing Jewish children, then extremists killing a Palestinian child, to then Hamas fire rockets into Israel with Israel then retaliate, thus pointing to the one problem again, Hamas. It care little for its citizens, and places many of its armed facilities deliberately within civilian areas, which Israel is not shy from attacking such facilities to protect its nation, of which any nation would do. It was one of the faults of the British Government when we were fighting the IRA, the armed British forces knew who were the IRA, but were never allowed to go after them. So itis Hamas that is placing civilians in harms way
On your last point would both people's be better off under Hamas or the Israeli Government?

Like I said, it is the stubborn attitude of forcing Hamas outside the negotiation table that is the real extremism.

President Morsi actually negotiated a cease fire between Hamas and Israel. Then the US force him out and replace him with General Sissi. Sissi listened to Israel and broke Egyptian links with Hamas.

Then Fatah 'finally' come to a settlement with Hamas, to unify the politics of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Instead of trying to make peace, Israel squander this opportunity by making Fatah the enemy.

Netanyahu can't deliver peace as he's empowered by extremists. And you expect the innocent Palestinians to do something about Hamas? I think you're naive and ignorant.

Like I said, Israelis have openly called for the extermination of Arabs. So your attitude about Hamas doesn't wash with me. I think you need to grow up. ;-)

Hamas have no place as do Zionists in any negotiation, it is because of both these groups that seek to continue the conflict, where again you fail to see this main point.
Yes I do expect both nations to do something about both sets of extremists, because it has happened before where it is the people that will bring about change, what you offer is a poor view that they cannot when they can.
So why in 60 years has not Israel wiped out all the Arabs in Palestine?
The reality is the Israeli Government could have wiped them out easily so and subjected them to being under their control, yet a third of its citizens are Arabs, so that is really you using zionists extremists, where you still fail to condemn Hamas, who again treats its citizens, appallingly, yet you wish extremists to remain in power, I find that wrong on all levels

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Hamas are terrorists, and no they are not defending anything, the Palestinians were given a land as were Israel and decided to go to war and if it was not for Hamas, there might be peace now, where again reconciliation is the only way forward.

What I also find wrong with this thread is both you and Zack are Muslims, and speak openly against the plight of Palestine, where is the call to place on bank notes free Saudi from Wahhabism, Free?
Free Christian Copts from Islamic oppression in Egypt?

I could go on, but not having a go because you are Muslims, but because you are Muslims, you are biased only to speak out for Muslims, not against Muslim Governments that treat its people poorly

Because Hamas is a consequence of Zionism. Cause and effect. It's the only effective way to get peace. Now and for everyone.

The peaceful solution exists but extremists on both sides reject it.

But Israel still has the power. And therefore, the responsibility.  It's logical.

So you are now claiming two wrongs make a right, no Hamas is a product of Palestine wrongly going to war and losing, that is why it came about, would Hamas have ever been born, if they would have accepted the 1948 resolution? No, so your history seems a tad Fuzzy to me.
So if extremists on both sides reject it, then people on both sides need to start rejecting them, hence the reconciliation needs to come from both peoples

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Didge wrote:


Hamas are terrorists, and no they are not defending anything, the Palestinians were given a land as were Israel and decided to go to war and if it was not for Hamas, there might be peace now, where again reconciliation is the only way forward.

What I also find wrong with this thread is both you and Zack are Muslims, and speak openly against the plight of Palestine, where is the call to place on bank notes free Saudi from Wahhabism, Free?
Free Christian Copts from Islamic oppression in Egypt?

I could go on, but not having a go because you are Muslims, but because you are Muslims, you are biased only to speak out for Muslims, not against Muslim Governments that treat its people poorly

Lol.

Because im a Muslim im biased?

No its because i know the truth Didge.

If i were you i would actually go and read unbiased articles.

The Israelies have OPENLY said many many times they want to WIPE OUT THE palestinians.

For the love of God, you're not one of those people who think just because we support one cause, that we don't support others? Hope you're not that ignorant. A bank note is only so big. Lol

Lololol.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Didge wrote:


Hamas are terrorists, and no they are not defending anything, the Palestinians were given a land as were Israel and decided to go to war and if it was not for Hamas, there might be peace now, where again reconciliation is the only way forward.

What I also find wrong with this thread is both you and Zack are Muslims, and speak openly against the plight of Palestine, where is the call to place on bank notes free Saudi from Wahhabism, Free?
Free Christian Copts from Islamic oppression in Egypt?

I could go on, but not having a go because you are Muslims, but because you are Muslims, you are biased only to speak out for Muslims, not against Muslim Governments that treat its people poorly

Lol.

Because im a Muslim im biased?

No its because i know the truth Didge.

If i were you i would actually go and read unbiased articles.

The Israelies have OPENLY said many many times they want to WIPE OUT THE palestinians.

No it does show your bias, as where again is your call to place on our currency, wrongs done in Muslim countries, it clearly shows your bias

Yet Israel has the capability to wipe out Palestine and have never done so, with a third of their citizens who are Arabs who have far better tights in Israel than they would in Gaza or the West Bank

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Like I said, it is the stubborn attitude of forcing Hamas outside the negotiation table that is the real extremism.

President Morsi actually negotiated a cease fire between Hamas and Israel. Then the US force him out and replace him with General Sissi. Sissi listened to Israel and broke Egyptian links with Hamas.

Then Fatah 'finally' come to a settlement with Hamas, to unify the politics of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Instead of trying to make peace, Israel squander this opportunity by making Fatah the enemy.

Netanyahu can't deliver peace as he's empowered by extremists. And you expect the innocent Palestinians to do something about Hamas? I think you're naive and ignorant.

Like I said, Israelis have openly called for the extermination of Arabs. So your attitude about Hamas doesn't wash with me. I think you need to grow up. ;-)

Hamas have no place as do Zionists in any negotiation, it is because of both these groups that seek to continue the conflict, where again you fail to see this main point.
Yes I do expect both nations to do something about both sets of extremists, because it has happened before where it is the people that will bring about change, what you offer is a poor view that they cannot when they can.
So why in 60 years has not Israel wiped out all the Arabs in Palestine?
The reality is the Israeli Government could have wiped them out easily so and subjected them to being under their control, yet a third of its citizens are Arabs, so that is really you using zionists extremists, where you still fail to condemn Hamas, who again treats its citizens, appallingly, yet you wish extremists to remain in power, I find that wrong on all levels  

Firstly, Zionists do have a place at the negotiating table. HELLO! Lol!

Secondly, the plight and lack of rights of Arab Israelis proves that Israel has an apartheid system. HELLO!

It might not have wiped them out, probably would have done without Hamas, but it's stolen most of their land and occupies that which it has.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:


Lol.

Because im a Muslim im biased?

No its because i know the truth Didge.

If i were you i would actually go and read unbiased articles.

The Israelies have OPENLY said many many times they want to WIPE OUT THE palestinians.

For the love of God, you're not one of those people who think just because we support one cause, that we don't support others? Hope you're not that ignorant. A bank note is only so big. Lol

Well if you see my point, you are vocal to break the law for the plight of one situation, where are you vocal to do the same for others?
That is showing not only a bias, but failing to act on other dire situations, is it not?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Hamas have no place as do Zionists in any negotiation, it is because of both these groups that seek to continue the conflict, where again you fail to see this main point.
Yes I do expect both nations to do something about both sets of extremists, because it has happened before where it is the people that will bring about change, what you offer is a poor view that they cannot when they can.
So why in 60 years has not Israel wiped out all the Arabs in Palestine?
The reality is the Israeli Government could have wiped them out easily so and subjected them to being under their control, yet a third of its citizens are Arabs, so that is really you using zionists extremists, where you still fail to condemn Hamas, who again treats its citizens, appallingly, yet you wish extremists to remain in power, I find that wrong on all levels  

Firstly, Zionists do have a place at the negotiating table. HELLO! Lol!

Secondly, the plight and lack of rights of Arab Israelis proves that Israel has an apartheid system. HELLO!

Didge is so bloody ignorant he think Arab citizens in Israel stay there because of the wonderful treatment they get, not because that was where they were born and it's their country too, and they put up with all kinds of discrimination to stay there.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Because Hamas is a consequence of Zionism. Cause and effect. It's the only effective way to get peace. Now and for everyone.

The peaceful solution exists but extremists on both sides reject it.

But Israel still has the power. And therefore, the responsibility.  It's logical.

So you are now claiming two wrongs make a right, no Hamas is a product of Palestine wrongly going to war and losing, that is why it came about, would Hamas have ever been born, if they would have accepted the 1948 resolution? No, so your history seems a tad Fuzzy to me.
So if extremists on both sides reject it, then people on both sides need to start rejecting them, hence the reconciliation needs to come from both peoples

Lol! What history? I am talking about current affairs.

The problem with your fairy tale is that Natanyahu is backed by extremists.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Hamas have no place as do Zionists in any negotiation, it is because of both these groups that seek to continue the conflict, where again you fail to see this main point.
Yes I do expect both nations to do something about both sets of extremists, because it has happened before where it is the people that will bring about change, what you offer is a poor view that they cannot when they can.
So why in 60 years has not Israel wiped out all the Arabs in Palestine?
The reality is the Israeli Government could have wiped them out easily so and subjected them to being under their control, yet a third of its citizens are Arabs, so that is really you using zionists extremists, where you still fail to condemn Hamas, who again treats its citizens, appallingly, yet you wish extremists to remain in power, I find that wrong on all levels  

Firstly, Zionists do have a place at the negotiating table. HELLO! Lol!

Secondly, the plight and lack of rights of Arab Israelis proves that Israel has an apartheid system. HELLO!

They should not have a place, HELLO

that make me crack up, you think the plight of Arabs is worse now than under Palestinian areas, that shows a poor bias on your side, I mean why is there Arabs in Israeli Governments?

DOH

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

So you are now claiming two wrongs make a right, no Hamas is a product of Palestine wrongly going to war and losing, that is why it came about, would Hamas have ever been born, if they would have accepted the 1948 resolution? No, so your history seems a tad Fuzzy to me.
So if extremists on both sides reject it, then people on both sides need to start rejecting them, hence the reconciliation needs to come from both peoples

Lol! What history? I am talking about current affairs.

The problem with your fairy tale is that Natanyahu is backed by extremists.  

Yes it seems history is not your string point, where again you fail to answer, would Hamas have ever been created without Palestinians accepting the 1948 resolution?

I speak in real terms, not fables that you follow!

Didge wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:


Lol.

Because im a Muslim im biased?

No its because i know the truth Didge.

If i were you i would actually go and read unbiased articles.

The Israelies have OPENLY said many many times they want to WIPE OUT THE palestinians.

No it does show your bias, as where again is your call to place on our currency, wrongs done in Muslim countries, it clearly shows your bias

Yet Israel has the capability to wipe out Palestine and have never done so, with a third of their citizens who are Arabs who have far better tights in Israel than they would in Gaza or the West Bank

My bias because i dont write on our currency when Muslims countries do wrong?????

Are you serious Didge?

Please tell me what i should be writing?

What country is being occupied???? And their owners evacuated from their homes and being burnt alive?

I rest my case.....

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

For the love of God, you're not one of those people who think just because we support one cause, that we don't support others? Hope you're not that ignorant. A bank note is only so big. Lol

Well if you see my point, you are vocal to break the law for the plight of one situation, where are you vocal to do the same for others?
That is showing not only a bias, but failing to act on other dire situations, is it not?

For a start, I don't use Saudi bank notes to highlight female discrimination in that country.

So excuse me if I think your idea is a tad hysterical.

Sassy wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Firstly, Zionists do have a place at the negotiating table. HELLO! Lol!

Secondly, the plight and lack of rights of Arab Israelis proves that Israel has an apartheid system. HELLO!

Didge is so bloody ignorant he think Arab citizens in Israel stay there because of the wonderful treatment they get, not because that was where they were born and it's their country too, and they put up with all kinds of discrimination to stay there.

Ah sassy back to insulting posters, what she does best, i condemn extremists, whether they are zionists or Hamas, she only condemns Zionists, go figure!

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Firstly, Zionists do have a place at the negotiating table. HELLO! Lol!

Secondly, the plight and lack of rights of Arab Israelis proves that Israel has an apartheid system. HELLO!

They should not have a place, HELLO

that make me crack up, you think the plight of Arabs is worse now than under Palestinian areas, that shows a poor bias on your side, I mean why is there Arabs in Israeli Governments?

DOH

Don't get upset Didge and start making stuff up. Not cool bruv.

I never said any of that. :-p

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well if you see my point, you are vocal to break the law for the plight of one situation, where are you vocal to do the same for others?
That is showing not only a bias, but failing to act on other dire situations, is it not?

For a start, I don't use Saudi bank notes to highlight female discrimination in that country.

So excuse me if I think your idea is a tad hysterical.

Really, so you are making a plan to deface our currency, to a problem not of this country, but when I point out another, you wish to shy away from doing the same, showing a very poor Muslim bias on your side, go figure

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

They should not have a place, HELLO

that make me crack up, you think the plight of Arabs is worse now than under Palestinian areas, that shows a poor bias on your side, I mean why is there Arabs in Israeli Governments?

DOH

Don't get upset Didge and start making stuff up. Not cool bruv.

I never said any of that. :-p

lol I do not make things up and I know you are losing the plot when you resolve to such posts to deflect ha ha

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Didge is so bloody ignorant he think Arab citizens in Israel stay there because of the wonderful treatment they get, not because that was where they were born and it's their country too, and they put up with all kinds of discrimination to stay there.

Ah sassy back to insulting posters, what she does best, i condemn extremists, whether they are zionists or Hamas, she only condemns Zionists, go figure!

Go figure, Didge hasn't a clue what he is talking about but waffles on anyway.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Didge wrote:


No it does show your bias, as where again is your call to place on our currency, wrongs done in Muslim countries, it clearly shows your bias

Yet Israel has the capability to wipe out Palestine and have never done so, with a third of their citizens who are Arabs who have far better tights in Israel than they would in Gaza or the West Bank

My bias because i dont write on our currency when Muslims countries do wrong?????

Are you serious Didge?

Please tell me what i should be writing?

What country is being occupied???? And their owners evacuated from their homes and being burnt alive?

I rest my case.....

No country is being occupied, really, tell that to the Kurds, in Turkey.

You have no case accept a poor bias

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:


Ah sassy back to insulting posters, what she does best, i condemn extremists, whether they are zionists or Hamas, she only condemns Zionists, go figure!

Go figure, Didge hasn't a clue what he is talking about but waffles on anyway.  

More insults, this is how you always start conflicts on this forum, I suggest you allow the adults to debate, if you cannot act like an adult

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Don't get upset Didge and start making stuff up. Not cool bruv.

I never said any of that. :-p

lol I do not make things up and I know you are losing the plot when you resolve to such posts to deflect ha ha

Ok, let me spell of out for you bruv. Not sure why you're being defensive but I never compared Palestinian Arab lifestyle with Israeli Arab. I was saying that Israel has an apartheid system. Get it now bruv? Or is it glove puppets time? :-)

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Go figure, Didge hasn't a clue what he is talking about but waffles on anyway.  

More insults, this is how you always start conflicts on this forum, I suggest you allow the adults to debate, if you cannot act like an adult

Yep, that's a good idea, SM, Zack and I will debate and you go in the play pen. You have done nothing but talk top surface with no interest in the underlaying causes, so leave it to people who understand what is happening.

Gota go xxx

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


lol I do not make things up and I know you are losing the plot when you resolve to such posts to deflect ha ha

Ok, let me spell of out for you bruv. Not sure why you're being defensive but I never compared Palestinian Arab lifestyle with Israeli Arab. I was saying that Israel has an apartheid system. Get it now bruv? Or is it glove puppets time? :-)

Again not being defensive again a poor tactic you use to deflect, which is not going to work brother, "bruv", such a poor slang.
There is no Apartheid in Israel that is complete bollocks, unless you are going on about Buses, where people are concerned rightly so based on terrorist attacks on buses.
Man you buy into some poor propaganda!

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:


More insults, this is how you always start conflicts on this forum, I suggest you allow the adults to debate, if you cannot act like an adult

Yep, that's a good idea, SM, Zack and I will debate and you go in the play pen.   You have done nothing but talk top surface with no interest in the underlaying causes, so leave it to people who understand what is happening.

More childish insults., proving you have no intention to debate, as easily proven, I suggest for one, you learn to grow up, second you understand people have different views to you and if they do they are not all ignorant and do not back extremists like you do