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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:23 pm

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lol I do not make things up and I know you are losing the plot when you resolve to such posts to deflect ha ha

Ok, let me spell of out for you bruv. Not sure why you're being defensive but I never compared Palestinian Arab lifestyle with Israeli Arab. I was saying that Israel has an apartheid system. Get it now bruv? Or is it glove puppets time? :-)

Didge doesn't believe Israeli has an apartheid system. So many people who know what is going on have recognised it, including members of previous Israeli governments, but I'm afraid he'll deny it till he is blue in the face.

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Ok, let me spell of out for you bruv. Not sure why you're being defensive but I never compared Palestinian Arab lifestyle with Israeli Arab. I was saying that Israel has an apartheid system. Get it now bruv? Or is it glove puppets time? :-)

Didge doesn't believe Israeli has an apartheid system.   So many people who know what is going on have recognised it, including members of previous Israeli governments, but I'm afraid he'll deny it till he is blue in the face.


Okay show me the segregation in Schools of Arabs and Jews, for example?

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:29 pm

Didge wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Didge doesn't believe Israeli has an apartheid system.   So many people who know what is going on have recognised it, including members of previous Israeli governments, but I'm afraid he'll deny it till he is blue in the face.


Okay show me the segregation in Schools of Arabs and Jews, for example?

Perhaps you had better read this Didge, it is rather long though, runs to 68 pages


DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PALESTINIAN ARAB
CHILDREN IN THE ISRAELI EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM

http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/JILPfinal.pdf

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:31 pm

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Again not being defensive again a poor tactic you use to deflect, which is not going to work brother, "bruv", such a poor slang.
There is no Apartheid in Israel that is complete bollocks, unless you are going on about Buses, where people are concerned rightly so based on terrorist attacks on buses.
Man you buy into some poor propaganda!

Lol! I was using the term bruv as a term of endearment. You use it as sarcasm. Even you are not in the mood to make peace. Which makes you a hypocrite.

And if you really think Arab Israelis have equal rights, then you are beyond ignorant. And not worthy of any credible intercourse. Go do some research. Then we'll talk.

Really, I thought you were quite knowledgeable about this. Bit wow, you need to get some info, bruv. :-)


No I used it correctly, just to prove your deflection Brother lol

Ah so now Zack now deflects to insults, so you cannot prove your point, but instead off nothing and just tell me to research. So what propaganda should you suggest I research?

Talk about a poor reply, do not put yourself in the same category as sassy, i expect better of you mate!

Lets look at the evidence then:



South African Apartheid. “Apartheid,” the Dutch-Africaans term for separation, was the social order of the former South Africa. It meant exactly that. The Black majority of the nation and the so-called Colored were kept strictly apart in all aspects of life. White domination over the native population was mandatory. For instance: Non-Whites had to carry a “passbook.” Passbook infringement could lead to deportation to one of the Bantu “homelands.” Blacks and Coloreds were being kept from a wide array of jobs. Black-White sex was a serious jail-time criminal offense. Hospitals and ambulances were strictly separated. Whites enjoyed free education until graduation. Not so for Blacks, whose education was strictly limited by the oppressive “Bantu Education Act.”

By law, no mixed sports were allowed. Park benches, swimming pools, libraries, and movies were strictly separated. Blacks were not allowed to purchase or imbibe alcoholic drinks – etc, etc, etc. And that is only a partial and small list of the many abusive impediments that non-Whites suffered under the South African apartheid regime.

Israeli Equality. To tar Israel with that kind of brush is utterly malicious. The exact opposite is the case. Not one single apartheid practice applies to Israel. Israel is by far the most racially mixed and tolerant nation in the entire Muslim Middle East. Arabs, who are about 20% of Israel’s population, enjoy, without any exception, the same rights and opportunities in all fields as their Jewish fellow citizens. The total equality of all Israelis is assured in Israel’s founding document. All non-Jews (which means primarily Muslim Arabs) have full voting rights. At present, eleven Arabs sit in Israel’s Knesset (parliament): Three Arabs are deputy speakers. Arabs are represented in Israel’s diplomatic service all over the world. Arab students may and do study in all Israeli universities. All children in Israel are entitled to subsidized education until graduation, without any restrictions based on color or religions. In short, Muslim Arabs and other non-Jews are allowed everything that Jews are allowed, everything that non-Whites were not allowed in apartheid South Africa.

But, yes, there is one difference: Jewish Israeli men are obligated to a three-year stint in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and serve in the reserve until they are 50 years old. For Arabs, this service is voluntary. Except for the Druze, hardly any Arabs volunteer to serve in the armed forces.

Israel has granted permanent residence and full citizen rights to a large number of legal and illegal foreign workers and their families – from the Philippines, Eritrea, Colombia, Nigeria, and from many other countries. Nobody, of course, is forced or requested to convert to Judaism as a condition of their being allowed to stay. Israel has accepted a shipload of Vietnamese refugees who had sought asylum. No Arab country has accepted a single one of those refugees. Israel has brought in about 70,000 black Ethiopian Jews, who have become fully integrated citizens of Israel. Everything that Blacks were not allowed to do in South Africa is totally open to non-Jews in Israel.


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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:31 pm

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Okay show me the segregation in Schools of Arabs and Jews, for example?

Do you still need to be spoon fed?

Maybe that's the problem. Or the solution. Lol

Wow more deflection and childish insults, try again brother

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:33 pm

Or how about:


Schools for Jews and Arabs: Separate but definitely not equal
In one clear step, Israel’s Education Minister has demonstrated that the separate Jewish and Muslim school systems have nothing to do with preserving an autonomous space for Jewish and for Arab culture, but rather - plain segregation.
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/schools-for-jews-and-arabs-separate-but-definitely-not-equal-1.443811

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:34 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Maybe if I spoon feed you an Isrseli pie you may swallow it:

http://www.acri.org.il/en/category/arab-citizens-of-israel/arab-minority-rights/

Hilarious propaganda, now for something actually good and impartial please, not what you are gullible to

Thanks for proving my point and compare this to rights in Gaza for Christians say?

Take your time,

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:36 pm

The accusation that Israel is an apartheid state is a misguided attempt to delegitimize all that Israel represents: a pluralistic, democratic state that ensures full political rights to all of its citizens.
The 1965 International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination defines apartheid as: “governmental policies based on racial superiority or hatred.”

The term apartheid, a state-sanctioned system of segregation and racial discrimination, was used to define South Africa from 1948 to 1994.

During apartheid in South Africa, non-whites were subjected to institutionalized racial and discriminatory law, denied the right to vote, banned from universities and treated as second-class citizens.

Labeling Israel the same way would suggest a comparison between the two nations. Israel has never been an apartheid state and it does not stand as one now.

All Israeli citizens enjoy full legal protection and are given the right to vote.

All Israeli citizens can serve in the Knesset, Israel’s parliamentary body.

For comparison, 12 Arabs currently serve in the Knesset — in the U.S. Senate, only five senators are minorities.

All Israeli institutions are integrated. All Israeli citizens, and even Palestinians, regardless of their racial, religious or ethnic identity maintain the right to challenge the Israeli Supreme Court for any appeal — a Supreme Court where one of the justices is an Arab.

Israel is not an apartheid state; it is a democracy. In Israel, unlike many of the surrounding Arab states, women are given full rights and opportunities.

http://www.concordy.com/section/article/in-defense-of-israel-why-israel-has-nothing-to-do-with-the-idea-of-an-apartheid-state/

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:37 pm

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Wow more deflection and childish insults, try again brother

No insult intended. I honestly didn't know you had no idea about Arab rights in Israel, or the lack of them.

What makes me laugh is you make an absurd apartheid claim, which is both comical whilst ignoring Gaza itself, showing once again your absurd bias

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:39 pm

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No I used it correctly, just to prove your deflection Brother lol

Ah so now Zack now deflects to insults, so you cannot prove your point, but instead off nothing and just tell me to research. So what propaganda should you suggest I research?

Talk about a poor reply, do not put yourself in the same category as sassy, i expect better of you mate!

Lets look at the evidence then:



South African Apartheid. “Apartheid,” the Dutch-Africaans term for separation, was the social order of the former South Africa. It meant exactly that. The Black majority of the nation and the so-called Colored were kept strictly apart in all aspects of life. White domination over the native population was mandatory. For instance: Non-Whites had to carry a “passbook.” Passbook infringement could lead to deportation to one of the Bantu “homelands.” Blacks and Coloreds were being kept from a wide array of jobs. Black-White sex was a serious jail-time criminal offense. Hospitals and ambulances were strictly separated. Whites enjoyed free education until graduation. Not so for Blacks, whose education was strictly limited by the oppressive “Bantu Education Act.”

By law, no mixed sports were allowed. Park benches, swimming pools, libraries, and movies were strictly separated. Blacks were not allowed to purchase or imbibe alcoholic drinks – etc, etc, etc. And that is only a partial and small list of the many abusive impediments that non-Whites suffered under the South African apartheid regime.

Israeli Equality. To tar Israel with that kind of brush is utterly malicious. The exact opposite is the case. Not one single apartheid practice applies to Israel. Israel is by far the most racially mixed and tolerant nation in the entire Muslim Middle East. Arabs, who are about 20% of Israel’s population, enjoy, without any exception, the same rights and opportunities in all fields as their Jewish fellow citizens. The total equality of all Israelis is assured in Israel’s founding document. All non-Jews (which means primarily Muslim Arabs) have full voting rights. At present, eleven Arabs sit in Israel’s Knesset (parliament): Three Arabs are deputy speakers. Arabs are represented in Israel’s diplomatic service all over the world. Arab students may and do study in all Israeli universities. All children in Israel are entitled to subsidized education until graduation, without any restrictions based on color or religions. In short, Muslim Arabs and other non-Jews are allowed everything that Jews are allowed, everything that non-Whites were not allowed in apartheid South Africa.

But, yes, there is one difference: Jewish Israeli men are obligated to a three-year stint in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) and serve in the reserve until they are 50 years old. For Arabs, this service is voluntary. Except for the Druze, hardly any Arabs volunteer to serve in the armed forces.

Israel has granted permanent residence and full citizen rights to a large number of legal and illegal foreign workers and their families – from the Philippines, Eritrea, Colombia, Nigeria, and from many other countries. Nobody, of course, is forced or requested to convert to Judaism as a condition of their being allowed to stay. Israel has accepted a shipload of Vietnamese refugees who had sought asylum. No Arab country has accepted a single one of those refugees. Israel has brought in about 70,000 black Ethiopian Jews, who have become fully integrated citizens of Israel. Everything that Blacks were not allowed to do in South Africa is totally open to non-Jews in Israel.


http://www.factsandlogic.org/ad_121.html

Sorry bruv, I just spoon fed you. You clearly need it.

Sometimes you need to learn that you can't debate facts.


What facts, your propaganda against my propaganda sources, you also no nothing about actual apartheid, though happy to teach you some history if you like, because clearly your knowledge is lacking

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:40 pm

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What makes me laugh is you make an absurd apartheid claim, which is both comical whilst ignoring Gaza itself, showing once again your absurd bias

You're conflating Arab Israeli rights with Palestinians. That's a deflection, my friend.


OH Palestinians now, wow that is a turn around from where you originally said Arabs, so you concede your original point was wrong then?

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:47 pm

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What facts, your propaganda against my propaganda sources, you also no nothing about actual apartheid, though happy to teach you some history if you like, because clearly your knowledge is lacking  

So what you're saying is that you want to be spoon fed more? Lol.

Not every thing is a debate. Lol! We are not the winners or the losers. It is the innocents who lose their lives. Yet you seem to use this opportunity for some game. Shame on you Didge. This is not my style. I started this thread for awareness.  

If you really cared, you would do your own research. Do you want to be informed or engage in a pointless debate? How childish.

First off lets define apartheid an stop deflecting with your childish attempts at me, its boring and lame, that is woeful,it may work on smelly but not me.
So you claim is now not on what is defined as a racial group as in the Arabs, but now Palestinians, an ethnic group and you still want to go down the route of apartheid do you?

My point is such threads are poor when you fail to offer the same on any situation in the world, you can hardly win over people, which you know I do daily against such bigotry towards Muslims, if you offer up only for the plight of Muslims themselves. Many people have been bought into the fear factor of Muslims, you do not change that perception, by adding to it. You fail to see anything really because I do defend against mush xenophobia you face as a Muslim, yet you add to this problem and fail to see why

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:48 pm

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OH Palestinians now, wow that is a turn around from where you originally said Arabs, so you concede your original point was wrong then?

Again, this is not a debate. Stop being childish. If you want a debate, don't hijack my thread.

I will debate on what I like, lol get a grip mate

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:50 pm

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First off lets define apartheid an stop deflecting with your childish attempts at me, its boring and lame, that is woeful,it may work on smelly but not me.
So you claim is now not on what is defined as a racial group as in the Arabs, but now Palestinians, an ethnic group and you still want to go down the route of apartheid do you?

My point is such threads are poor when you fail to offer the same on any situation in the world, you can hardly win over people, which you know I do daily against such bigotry towards Muslims, if you offer up only for the plight of Muslims themselves. Many people have been bought into the fear factor of Muslims, you do not change that perception, by adding to it. You fail to see anything really because I do defend against mush xenophobia you face as a Muslim, yet you add to this problem and fail to see why

So how many issues do you want me to write on a single bank note?

You fail to see my point do you not, the one you speak out on and ask to deface our money is for helping Muslims in Palestine, how about the ones who actually live here who are stigmatized, that is where you need to help being as you are British.


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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:52 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:

I will debate on what I like, lol get a grip mate

Why, too scared to start another thread?

You're right, I can't stop you. I was asking for you to be courteous. I guess that's a value you've lost over the last few months. Shame.  

You started the insults and I was fine until sassy and you both acted childishly attacking the poster and not the points, so best you take a leaf out of your own book Zack.

So be a could chap and grow up

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:52 pm

Amazing how he said:

Okay show me the segregation in Schools of Arabs and Jews, for example?

and then very quickly ignored


Schools for Jews and Arabs: Separate but definitely not equal
In one clear step, Israel’s Education Minister has demonstrated that the separate Jewish and Muslim school systems have nothing to do with preserving an autonomous space for Jewish and for Arab culture, but rather - plain segregation.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/schools-for-jews-and-arabs-separate-but-definitely-not-equal-1.443811


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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:53 pm

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You fail to see my point do you not, the one you speak out on and ask to deface our money is for helping Muslims in Palestine, how about the ones who actually live here who are stigmatized, that is where you need to help being as you are British.

You're not very practical, are you. Again, a bank note is only so big. Lol


lol you just defeated your own thread, bravo!

So its not very practical, thanks!

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Isn't it wonderful how Didge thinks he has won over something that is trying to stop the killing of children.


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Sassy wrote:Amazing how he said:

Okay show me the segregation in Schools of Arabs and Jews, for example?

and then very quickly ignored


Schools for Jews and Arabs: Separate but definitely not equal
In one clear step, Israel’s Education Minister has demonstrated that the separate Jewish and Muslim school systems have nothing to do with preserving an autonomous space for Jewish and for Arab culture, but rather - plain segregation.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/schools-for-jews-and-arabs-separate-but-definitely-not-equal-1.443811



Wow, do you understand segregation?
That was apartheid, we do not have equality in our own schools, here, so by your absurd terminology, we have apartheid in the UK now

Wow

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:55 pm

Sassy wrote:Isn't it wonderful how Didge thinks he has won over something that is trying to stop the killing of children.

Ah the old victim status argument, neglecting the fact Hamas places its armed facilities within civilian areas

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:56 pm

Didge wrote:
Sassy wrote:Amazing how he said:

Okay show me the segregation in Schools of Arabs and Jews, for example?

and then very quickly ignored


Schools for Jews and Arabs: Separate but definitely not equal
In one clear step, Israel’s Education Minister has demonstrated that the separate Jewish and Muslim school systems have nothing to do with preserving an autonomous space for Jewish and for Arab culture, but rather - plain segregation.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/schools-for-jews-and-arabs-separate-but-definitely-not-equal-1.443811



Wow, do you understand segregation?
That was apartheid, we do not have equality in our own schools, here, so by your absurd terminology, we have apartheid in the UK now

Wow



Schools for Jews and Arabs: Separate

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:57 pm

Sassy wrote:
Didge wrote:


Wow, do you understand segregation?
That was apartheid, we do not have equality in our own schools, here, so by your absurd terminology, we have apartheid in the UK now

Wow



Schools for Jews and Arabs: Separate


Is every school sperate?

No

Do we have schools just for set religious people?

Yes

Do we have Boy only and Girl only schools

Yes

So Sassy claims the UK is now apartheid

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Is every school separate, YES

the separate Jewish and Muslim school systems

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:04 pm

Sassy wrote:Is every school separate, YES

the separate Jewish and Muslim school systems


Wrong and in correct, there are mixed schools in Israel, bang goes that poor claim.

http://www.commongroundnews.org/article.php?id=24020&lan=en&sp=1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galil_Jewish%E2%80%93Arab_School

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Post by eddie Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:04 pm

Evening all

I don't know enough about this situation to really get stuck in to this debate, but i always though it was one country bullying another tbh

Anyway, instead of writing on bank notes - which will have little effect - how many of you actually LOOK at money? - why don't you organise a march if the matter means so much?
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lol you just defeated your own thread, bravo!

So its not very practical, thanks!

Yes,I was defeated and you just saved so many lives. Seriously dude?

I never attacked you. I said your point of view was ignorant. You ignored my term of endearment as sarcasm.

If we can't make peace because of stubborn attitudes on a pointless forum, the Middle East process has no chance.

Try being the example of peace and let's kiss and make up. Xxx


You are not going to resolve the problem that way, the same arguments have been used for decades now one side blaming the other of has that never escaped your attention?
Again the only way this is going to be resolved when a majority in each area stands up to the Zionists and Hamas to seek peace and reconciliation, showing it is your a stubborn attitude that has it all wrong, you use the same methodology that has failed and always has failed, people uniting as it did happen in South Africa brought about peace, people uniting in Northern Ireland brought about a peaceful resolution, not seeking to blame.
Nice of you to slag off Ben's place as well or is that a term of endearment as well?

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Post by eddie Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:09 pm

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eddie wrote:Evening all

I don't know enough about this situation to really get stuck in to this debate, but i always though it was one country bullying another tbh

Anyway, instead of writing on bank notes - which will have little effect - how many of you actually LOOK at money? - why don't you organise a march if the matter means so much?

Tomorrow, 5:30 pm, outside Israeli embassy. Nearest tube, high street Kensington.

Ah ok I stand corrected lol

Are you giving away free bank notes for us to write on?  Razz 

Seriously, good luck with the march x
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eddie wrote:Evening all

I don't know enough about this situation to really get stuck in to this debate, but i always though it was one country bullying another tbh

Anyway, instead of writing on bank notes - which will have little effect - how many of you actually LOOK at money? - why don't you organise a march if the matter means so much?

Done many times, and many groups around Britain help support, this is just one site:

Brighton & Hove Palestine Solidarity Campaign (BHPSC) was founded in 1997.

We are a group of people of all ages and backgrounds who campaign against the gross injustice and oppression suffered by the Palestinian people.

It is one of 40 branches affiliated to the national Palestine Solidarity Campaign.



We campaign by non-violent means for an end to the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestine and the right of return of the refugees – through the media, by lobbying our government, and by boycott actions to bring pressure to bear on the Israeli state, as in the case of apartheid South Africa. See Campaigns.

You can help us by joining in our activities and by becoming a member.

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BHPSC supporters take part in a wide range of activities.

Travelling to Palestine to help with solidarity work (like helping to build a school in the Jordan Valley).
Helping with our stall, held on most Saturday afternoons in central Brighton, talking to people and handing out leaflets.
Writing letters to the press or phoning the BBC when events in Palestine are badly reported.
Many of us take part in marches and in demonstrations at, or inside, local supermarkets to urge shoppers to join us in boycotting Israeli produce.

We hold planning meetings monthly to which all supporters are welcome, and regularly organise public meetings e.g. recently on the convoy of humanitarian aid which aimed to break the siege on Gaza, and on the relentless Israeli house demolitions in the Palestinian West Bank and East Jerusalem.

We take part in national events and demonstrations. We cooperate with other local organisations which support Palestinian rights, e.g. Brighton & Hove Trades Council, local branches of political parties and campaigns, Amnesty, Stop the War Coalition, Women’s League for Peace and Freedom, Brighton Jordan Valley Solidarity, SmashEDO.

Please join us. We will value your help and support.

You can help us by joining in our activities and by becoming a member.

A good way to find out about our campaigns and to get involved is by coming along to our monthly planning meetings. We meet on the second Monday of every month 7.30pm till 9.30pm. The venue for our meetings varies, so use the ‘Contact Us’ facility on this website to check.

We also welcome supporters at our regular Saturday stall – 1pm-3pm every Saturday, either at the Clock Tower or Churchill Square.

Would you like to be kept informed of our activities? Sign up in the right-hand side column for regular announcements – and check this website from time to time too.

Upcoming Events

Stop the killing - Vigil and demo - Sat July 12th 11am
12 Jul 14

http://www.brightonpalestinecampaign.org/

They are part of PSC, Palestine Solidarity Campaign, which is nationwide and worldwide.

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:11 pm

Oh and another thing Zack, I think you are fab, not going to agree on everything, so what is there to make up over?

Odd that you would ask that, is not like we are married or anything lol

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Post by eddie Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:14 pm

Didge wrote:Oh and another thing Zack, I think you are fab, not going to agree on everything, so what is there to make up over?

Odd that you would ask that, is not like we are married or anything lol

Ah see my thread in recreation
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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:15 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
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You are not going to resolve the problem that way, the same arguments have been used for decades now one side blaming the other of has that never escaped your attention?
Again the only way this is going to be resolved when a majority in each area stands up to the Zionists and Hamas to seek peace and reconciliation, showing it is your a stubborn attitude that has it all wrong, you use the same methodology that has failed and always has failed, people uniting as it did happen in South Africa brought about peace, people uniting in Northern Ireland brought about a peaceful resolution, not seeking to blame.
Nice of you to slag off Ben's place as well or is that a term of endearment as well?

No, bank notes is not going to resolve the problem.

And, all forums are pointless when it comes to actual power. Not just Bens.

You called it pointless, which is the wrong attitude to have if you wish to change a person's opinion, not th best way to go about it, is it?

Again reconciliation is the key, and where people have looked to blame one or the other, nothing gets resolved, as I have always said when Apartheid ended, they could have taken vengeance on those who enacted apartheid through the criminal courts, they never did though, instead  they reconciled, showing the way forward


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Post by Guest Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:17 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Didge wrote:Oh and another thing Zack, I think you are fab, not going to agree on everything, so what is there to make up over?

Odd that you would ask that, is not like we are married or anything lol

As long as we're cool. I can go to sleep, in peace.

See ya.


Peace and blessings onto you and your family Zack!

Have to go to, take care

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