Nigel Farage Turns His Back On EU National Anthem

by Guest Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:29 pm

First topic message reminder :

1st July 2014

The anthem was played to celebrate the new MEP President, a German left winger.

The anthem is Beethoven's "Ode To Joy".

Nigel Farage was today accused of 'shocking disrespect' after turning his back on the EU's national anthem as the European Parliament was opened in France.

The UKIP leader's public show of dissent came after the German socialist Martin Schulz was reappointed president of the European Parliament - in a shady 'backroom stitch up' sparking anger in Britain.

Mr Schulz was backed by MEPs to carry on in the £213,000 a year role, despite the fact that his Socialist group lost May's European elections.

Mr Schulz was elected by MEPs in Strasbourg today after they observed the European anthem.

Although most MEPs stood up for it, British Tory MEPs sat quietly while UKIP MEPs turned their backs on the orchestra and the EU flag.

Steven Woolfe said the show of protest was against the 'done deal' for Mr Schulz's election as president of the EU parliament.

He said: 'Only the Labour group in the EU and their Socialist partners clapping Shultz in his speech for EU Parliament president.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2676449/Brussels-backroom-stitch-sees-German-socialist-lost-European-elections-appointed-MEP-president-backing-Jean-Claude-Juncker-row-Cameron.html#ixzz36F7L6mNQ

by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:16 pm

That was poor dodge.

The EU is supposed to be a trade arrangement.

But we have established that trade will not stop if we leave the EU.

Therefore the whole EU is redundant.

So justify its continued existence and the huge costs involved....???

lol!

by Guest Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:22 pm

Eilzel wrote:@Smelly go suck a lemon, what were you upset I didn't respond to your first troll post?

ever post unaddressed simply shows your own lack of integrity/understanding of the situation

thing i notice about you?? is you always only take things at face value and never look too deep

probably because you lack the intellect to from a thought deeper than "SMASH THE BNP"

farages disrespect is a sign of his integrity and open disdain for the EU

such a controversial move for a politician is normally unheard of,but farage understand the hatred the British have for the EU and knows this will not only fail to hurt him in the polls but will bolster his already staunch image as a man that speaks his mind

such men can be trusted

VOTE UKIP

by Eilzel Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:51 pm

God smelly your vendettasles your posts so boring my eyes bleeding, get a hobby man.

by Eilzel Wed Jul 02, 2014 5:52 pm

Fuck iphone, meant to say your vendetta makes your posts so boring my eyes bleed reading them, just to clarify Wink

by Guest Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:That was poor dodge.
The EU is supposed to be a trade arrangement.
But we have established that trade will not stop if we leave the EU.
Therefore the whole EU is redundant.
So justify its continued existence and the huge costs involved....???

This really shows why you are clueless, many companies, have to trade and cannot afford to wait until the UK resolves its difference, it shows again you are clueless on this matter
How will it be redundant if trade does not stop?
Trade continues outside the EU, but it does so on agreed terms, Britain will not have that luxery, which it needs to follow EU terms to trade, they will have no choice which again you fail to understand.
I really suggest you go away and look into this more because again you are clueless, plus the fact you cannot counter any points

Ha Ha

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:05 am

Most companies in UK don't trade with EU but are still given the cost burden of complying with EU rules.

You have already admitted that trade with EU countries will continue if we left EU so it is not necessary to be in EU to trade.

Therefore there is no need for the EU.

You didn't answer my points.....

The EU is supposed to be a trade arrangement.

But we have established that trade will not stop if we leave the EU.

Therefore the whole EU is redundant.

So justify its continued existence and the huge costs involved....???

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:19 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Most companies in UK don't trade with EU but are still given the cost burden of complying with EU rules.
Evidence please? Because that is bollocks, many do
You have already admitted that trade with EU countries will continue if we left EU so it is not necessary to be in EU to trade.
It will matter on what cost affect and policies Britain will have to face trading with the EU, when we already trade in billions with them, showing again you have not the first scooby doo
Therefore there is no need for the EU.
There is benefits for the EU and as seen this is about what if's if we leave, which still has not enter your comprehension as seen
You didn't answer my points.....
I answered them all, you ignored my points and tried to move past, I suggest you go back and counter them
The EU is supposed to be a trade arrangement.
The EU is meant to be a federation of nations, one of which is the prevention of war occuring as it once did before such nations, so that is again bollocks
But we have established that trade will not stop if we leave the EU.
You just keep repeating yourself making no points
Therefore the whole EU is redundant.
Again incorrect, without being a part of the EU, we lose not only influence, but also could effectively lose many companies or a down size in their operations here, it could also mean harsher trade agreements fro Britain which companies are not going to wait around to see what will happen, they will act in the interest of their own companies
So justify its continued existence and the huge costs involved....???

I just have, it has helped Britain again become one of the strongest economies, where many investors have come to Britain because of Britain being a part of EU

Now counter my earlier points

Where do you keep coming out with this rubbish about trade being stopped, the trade will not be stopped but it is at what cost, which is why you are utterly clueless on this and have no understanding how anything works, we are one country, they are a confederation of many nations, thus they get to pull together to act as place on the UK the trade agreements, when again we trade more with them, than they do with us.

As to how much we trade you are also clueless, see below

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3db869a4-b81d-11e3-92f9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz36Jz2j5KE

Now if trade is going to be more expensive, then companies will use resources of which many do already abroad within the EU, thus job losses over here, which is another factor you do not seem to understand, so no trade is going to stop, but it will be the cost factor that will have an affect on many companies, let alone the foreign ones, who will just reduce the facilities here, creating further job loses, they will only need a smaller work force to trade outside the EU, and increase their facilities of which they already have within the EU, again this is lost on you what affect it has on a nation.

So again you know very little on the what if's, but some things will be a fact, that business will restructure to keep prices down, and that means still trading within the EU, that will also mean moving more of their enterprises and structure within the EU.

Here is just one example for you:

Paul Polman, chief executive of the international consumer goods giant, warned that Unilever could pull back its investments in Britain "kicked against the table" and left the political bloc.
"We will always look at things," he responded when asked if Unilever, which employs 7,000 people in the UK, could reduce its presence in the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/12/world-trade-uk-eu_n_4773835.html

This last point is most apt:

The UK head of aerospace giant Airbus Group warned that Eurosceptics would need to offer a "compelling" alternative for how Britain could operate outside the EU without putting growth at risk.

So far nobody has offered anything on how this will be done and shows again you plunge into the deep end of the swimming pool without learning how to swim first

by veya_victaous Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:40 am

some trade will stop...

Do You guys realise how much artificial protection exists in the EU and how uncompetitive you would be with out them????

If the tariffs were removed or where applied equally to UK goods then you are not going to sell anything in Europe as you have an average product for a high cost and if the EU markets opened up to the other world markets you would find your self struggling against nations that make a better/equal product for less cost.

the UK(or any single European nation) is not powerful enough to enforce these tariffs you rely on with out suffering serve repercussion via trade deals IF it wasn't for the fact that you have the EU agreement to apply them altogether against other nations Rolling Eyes

(which gives you the market power to inflict unjust trade terms that allow your industries to be competitive against more efficient economies)

by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:17 am

veya_victaous wrote:some trade will stop...

Do You guys realise how much artificial protection exists in the EU and how uncompetitive you would be with out them????

If the tariffs were removed or where applied equally to UK goods then you are not going to sell anything in Europe as you have an average product for a high cost and if the EU markets opened up to the other world markets you would find your self struggling against nations that make a better/equal product for less cost.

the UK(or any single European nation) is not powerful enough to enforce these tariffs you rely on with out suffering serve repercussion via trade deals IF it wasn't for the fact that you have the EU agreement to apply them altogether against other nations (which gives you the market power to inflict unjust trade terms that allow your industries to be competitive against more efficient economies)

Many of them do, it's just the projection of the leading economists, after all. But the UPIKURASS crowd just wants to set things on fire at this point.

by veya_victaous Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:45 am

I got re-ask

WHAT HAS THIS GUY DONE?? confused

why do so many Englishmen think he will save them? (even though his suggestions definitely will not save England and probably make it much worse off)

Seriously? is it just because he is spouting some shit or has he actually achieved things in his life... I don't know why you don't try and get someone like Richard Branson, he would at least give you a Malcolm Turnbull like option.. you got no one like Clive the Magnificent, Builder of Titanic 2 and Master of Dinobots... But Branson is a least a start. Wink

by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 03, 2014 4:56 am

veya_victaous wrote:I got re-ask

WHAT HAS THIS GUY DONE??

why do so many Englishmen think he will save them? (even though his suggestions definitely will not save England and probably make it much worse off)

Seriously? is it just because he is spouting some shit or has he actually achieved things in his life... I don't know why you don't try and get someone like Richard Branson, he would at least give you a Malcolm Turnbull like option.. you got no one like Clive the Magnificent, Builder of Titanic 2 and Master of Dinobots... But Branson is a least a start.

It's funny, it's basically the Republicanisation of the UK. Sarah Palin basically does the same thing.

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:52 am

veya_victaous wrote:I got re-ask

WHAT HAS THIS GUY DONE??

why do so many Englishmen think he will save them? (even though his suggestions definitely will not save England and probably make it much worse off)

Seriously? is it just because he is spouting some shit or has he actually achieved things in his life... I don't know why you don't try and get someone like Richard Branson, he would at least give you a Malcolm Turnbull like option.. you got no one like Clive the Magnificent, Builder of Titanic 2 and Master of Dinobots... But Branson is a least a start.

stick to Aussie politics V

its funny that you engage in uk political debates without

A understanding the political situation in the UK

B understanding the mood of the people in the UK

what has farage done??

he offers an alternative, he speaks his mind and he is the personification of the anti EU sentiment rising in the UK.

the EU is not only at the heart of important issues like mass immigration and the bad economy, its the cause of them

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:04 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:I got re-ask

WHAT HAS THIS GUY DONE??

why do so many Englishmen think he will save them? (even though his suggestions definitely will not save England and probably make it much worse off)

Seriously? is it just because he is spouting some shit or has he actually achieved things in his life... I don't know why you don't try and get someone like Richard Branson, he would at least give you a Malcolm Turnbull like option.. you got no one like Clive the Magnificent, Builder of Titanic 2 and Master of Dinobots... But Branson is a least a start.

stick to Aussie politics V

its funny that you engage in uk political debates without

A understanding the political situation in the UK

B understanding the mood of the people in the UK

what has farage done??

he offers an alternative, he speaks his mind and he is the personification of the anti EU sentiment rising in the UK.

the EU is not only at the heart of important issues like mass immigration and the bad economy, its the cause of them

What alternative?

Where is his economic policies and plans for leaving the EU on what to do?

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:08 am

what alternative??

i know your English is rather poor but the correct form is "what IS an alternative?"

alternative (ɔːlˈtɜːnətɪv)
n
1. a possibility of choice, esp between two things, courses of action, etc

2. either of such choices: we took the alternative of walking.
adj

3. presenting a choice, esp between two possibilities only

4. (of two things) mutually exclusive

5. (Sociology) denoting a lifestyle, culture, art form, etc, regarded by its adherents as preferable to that of contemporary society because it is less conventional, materialistic, or institutionalized, and, often, more in harmony with nature

6. (Logic) logic another word for disjunctive3

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:10 am

smelly_bandit wrote:what alternative??

i know your English is rather poor but the correct form is "what IS an alternative?"

alternative (ɔːlˈtɜːnətɪv)
n
1. a possibility of choice, esp between two things, courses of action, etc

2. either of such choices: we took the alternative of walking.
adj

3. presenting a choice, esp between two possibilities only

4. (of two things) mutually exclusive

5. (Sociology) denoting a lifestyle, culture, art form, etc, regarded by its adherents as preferable to that of contemporary society because it is less conventional, materialistic, or institutionalized, and, often, more in harmony with nature

6. (Logic) logic another word for disjunctive3

Yes but an alternative has viable polices, saying you are going to do something which then turns out to be flawed is not really an alternative. It is nothing but hot air

So again what alternative polices and plans does he have for exiting the EU?

Take your time

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:20 am

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:what alternative??

i know your English is rather poor but the correct form is "what IS an alternative?"

alternative (ɔːlˈtɜːnətɪv)
n
1. a possibility of choice, esp between two things, courses of action, etc

2. either of such choices: we took the alternative of walking.
adj

3. presenting a choice, esp between two possibilities only

4. (of two things) mutually exclusive

5. (Sociology) denoting a lifestyle, culture, art form, etc, regarded by its adherents as preferable to that of contemporary society because it is less conventional, materialistic, or institutionalized, and, often, more in harmony with nature

6. (Logic) logic another word for disjunctive3

Yes but an alternative has viable polices, saying you are going to do something which then turns out to be flawed is not really an alternative. It is nothing but hot air

So again what alternative polices and plans does he have for exiting the EU?

Take your time

"saying you are going to do something which then turns out to be flawed is not really an alternative. It is nothing but hot air"

you mean like obama did with the chemical weapons being used in Syria??

anyway

VOTE UKIP they cannot possibly be worse then the shower of shit already in power

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:23 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

Yes but an alternative has viable polices, saying you are going to do something which then turns out to be flawed is not really an alternative. It is nothing but hot air

So again what alternative polices and plans does he have for exiting the EU?

Take your time

"saying you are going to do something which then turns out to be flawed is not really an alternative. It is nothing but hot air"
you mean like obama did with the chemical weapons being used in Syria??anyway

VOTE UKIP they cannot possibly be worse then the shower of shit already in power

So basically you have not the first clue and would vote for someone with no idea if they have any viable plans, one moment

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Of course UKIP are quite on far right extremists, so maybe they will make it policy to remove any foreign born extremists, no matter their political ideology.
Am sure Putin will welcome you with open arms

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:28 am

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:

"saying you are going to do something which then turns out to be flawed is not really an alternative. It is nothing but hot air"
you mean like obama did with the chemical weapons being used in Syria??anyway

VOTE UKIP they cannot possibly be worse then the shower of shit already in power

So basically you have not the first clue and would vote for someone with no idea if they have any viable plans, one moment

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Of course UKIP are quite on far right extremists, so maybe they will make it policy to remove any foreign born extremists, no matter their political ideology.
Am sure Putin will welcome you with open arms

didge i would rather take a chance with someone new and unproven than continue the madness of voting for the same party with the hopes that maybe this time they will be different

maybe this time they will listen to me instead ignoring me

if you love things the way they are then by all means continue voting labour/tory/LD

me??

im voting for change and there isn't a single thing you can do about it ::D::

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:33 am

You can vote all you like, the best UKIP stand to gain is about 4 seats, which is not going to make much of a difference, the only difference it will make is ensuring Labour get back into power, which would have to be your least option I do not want Labour to get in but the Tories will lose votes to UKIP, and thus enable the Labour party into power, which will be bad for the country after we have recovered.

Bravo dummy, the only chance you will have on a referendum will be with the Tories, but you will never get to see this realised voting for UKIP

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:36 am

you said they would never achieve anything in the EU elections as well didge

i think ill take my chances

thanks for the advice though, ill take it under advisement

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:37 am

smelly_bandit wrote:you said they would never achieve anything in the EU elections as well didge

i think ill take my chances

thanks for the advice though, ill take it under advisement

never once claimed that, I always stated they would do well in the EU elections, so you are telling porkies again.

Do as you please, more fool you really.

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:40 am

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:you said they would never achieve anything in the EU elections as well didge

i think ill take my chances

thanks for the advice though, ill take it under advisement

never once claimed that, I always stated they would do well in the EU elections, so you are telling porkies again.

Do as you please, more fool you really.

you best believe that i will do as i please didge

dry your eyes mate

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:43 am

smelly_bandit wrote:
Didge wrote:

never once claimed that, I always stated they would do well in the EU elections, so you are telling porkies again.

Do as you please, more fool you really.

you best believe that i will do as i please didge

dry your eyes mate

You make me cry with laughter, sorry about that, you need to realise how comical your claims are.

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:44 am

my cliams??

you find it comical that i claim i will be voting UKIP come the elections??

:\\:[:

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:49 am

smelly_bandit wrote:my cliams??

you find it comical that i claim i will be voting UKIP come the elections??

:\\:[:

I find many of your claims comical, even you voting UKIP, because you jumped ship from the BNP

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:50 am

Didge wrote:
smelly_bandit wrote:my cliams??

you find it comical that i claim i will be voting UKIP come the elections??

:\\:[:

I find many of your claims comical, even you voting UKIP, because you jumped ship from the BNP

what???

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:58 pm

Didge wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Most companies in UK don't trade with EU but are still given the cost burden of complying with EU rules.
Evidence please? Because that is bollocks, many do
You have already admitted that trade with EU countries will continue if we left EU so it is not necessary to be in EU to trade.
It will matter on what cost affect and policies Britain will have to face trading with the EU, when we already trade in billions with them, showing again you have not the first scooby doo
Therefore there is no need for the EU.
There is benefits for the EU and as seen this is about what if's if we leave, which still has not enter your comprehension as seen
You didn't answer my points.....
I answered them all, you ignored my points and tried to move past, I suggest you go back and counter them
The EU is supposed to be a trade arrangement.
The EU is meant to be a federation of nations, one of which is the prevention of war occuring as it once did before such nations, so that is again bollocks
But we have established that trade will not stop if we leave the EU.
You just keep repeating yourself making no points
Therefore the whole EU is redundant.
Again incorrect, without being a part of the EU, we lose not only influence, but also could effectively lose many companies or a down size in their operations here, it could also mean harsher trade agreements fro Britain which companies are not going to wait around to see what will happen, they will act in the interest of their own companies
So justify its continued existence and the huge costs involved....???
I just have, it has helped Britain again become one of the strongest economies, where many investors have come to Britain because of Britain being a part of EU
Now counter my earlier points
Where do you keep coming out with this rubbish about trade being stopped, the trade will not be stopped but it is at what cost, which is why you are utterly clueless on this and have no understanding how anything works, we are one country, they are a confederation of many nations, thus they get to pull together to act as place on the UK the trade agreements, when again we trade more with them, than they do with us.
As to how much we trade you are also clueless, see below
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3db869a4-b81d-11e3-92f9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz36Jz2j5KE
Now if trade is going to be more expensive, then companies will use resources of which many do already abroad within the EU, thus job losses over here, which is another factor you do not seem to understand, so no trade is going to stop, but it will be the cost factor that will have an affect on many companies, let alone the foreign ones, who will just reduce the facilities here, creating further job loses, they will only need a smaller work force to trade outside the EU, and increase their facilities of which they already have within the EU, again this is lost on you what affect it has on a nation.
So again you know very little on the what if's, but some things will be a fact, that business will restructure to keep prices down, and that means still trading within the EU, that will also mean moving more of their enterprises and structure within the EU.
Here is just one example for you:
Paul Polman, chief executive of the international consumer goods giant, warned that Unilever could pull back its investments in Britain "kicked against the table" and left the political bloc.
"We will always look at things," he responded when asked if Unilever, which employs 7,000 people in the UK, could reduce its presence in the country.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/12/world-trade-uk-eu_n_4773835.html
This last point is most apt:
The UK head of aerospace giant Airbus Group warned that Eurosceptics would need to offer a "compelling" alternative for how Britain could operate outside the EU without putting growth at risk.
So far nobody has offered anything on how this will be done and shows again you plunge into the deep end of the swimming pool without learning how to swim first

1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538955/Slash-red-tape-firms-dont-trade-EU-say-business-chiefs.html

2) Costs are already huge, £55 million a day plus billions more in associated costs of regulations.

3) What benefits are there to us for EU membership...? You keep telling us there are benefits but never name them. While the negatives are widely known and massive.

4) No, wrong, the EU has changed significantly from what it started as which was a simple trade arrangement on coal and steel, it has changed into a federal dictatorship wishing to control every aspect of every national government. Sucking powers away from each 'progressively'. NObody has voted for this, want it or need it.

5) You didn't answer the point again...

We have established that trade can and will and already does happen with countries outside the EU, And will continue with us he we left the EU, so therefore the EU itself is unnecessary.

6) We are successful despite the EU, not because of the EU, it is a drag on our economy and huge cost to us. It has also been The ruin of many other European nations. The euro has been an unmitigated disaster.

7) I have never said trade will stop, it was you who have always said trade will be adversely affected and even restricted, I have always said trade will continue with out any problems. Trade with the EU is already expensive and will not be any more so he we left EU.

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:39 pm

1) PMSL, so basically you are going off a lie.
75.3 per cent of private sector businesses do not employ
anyone beside the business owners. Only 1 in 5 business even export, so I suggest you read think your maths as again it is bollocks.

2) More bullshit, In 2013, UK government gross contributions were £14 billion. After rebates and other receipts, our net contribution was £8.6 billion, which is 24 million not 55
https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887

Also even if we left we would still have to pay to trade with the EU, I suggest you look at what Norway pays for example

As seen the profit far outweighs the cost.

3) http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296

5) Incorrect again the EU was formed as stated:

The overall aim of the EEC/EU, since its foundation in 1958, is to promote peace; the values of human rights; democracy; equality; the rule of law; and the well-being of its peoples. These values are the bedrock of the EU’s work and its role in the world.

http://www.eumatters.ie/why-was-the-eu-founded-.html

5) You have not answered any of mine you cheeky tosser, as you always avoid

No we would have to make new trade agreements even for those outside the EU, because these agreements are bound by the EU
6) Incorrect again:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cbi-warning-over-economic-future-if-britain-leaves-the-eu-9570955.html

7) Trade will be affected, as it willtake a very long time to sort out new trade deals, which you clearly have no idea on

Now counter my points, though I do laugh you went to UKIP for that bollocks

I just have, it has helped Britain again become one of the strongest economies, where many investors have come to Britain because of Britain being a part of EU.
Now counter my earlier points
Where do you keep coming out with this rubbish about trade being stopped, the trade will not be stopped but it is at what cost, which is why you are utterly clueless on this and have no understanding how anything works, we are one country, they are a confederation of many nations, thus they get to pull together to act as place on the UK the trade agreements, when again we trade more with them, than they do with us.
As to how much we trade you are also clueless, see below

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3db869a4-b81d-11e3-92f9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz36Jz2j5KE

Now if trade is going to be more expensive, then companies will use resources of which many do already abroad within the EU, thus job losses over here, which is another factor you do not seem to understand, so no trade is going to stop, but it will be the cost factor that will have an affect on many companies, let alone the foreign ones, who will just reduce the facilities here, creating further job loses, they will only need a smaller work force to trade outside the EU, and increase their facilities of which they already have within the EU, again this is lost on you what affect it has on a nation.

So again you know very little on the what if's, but some things will be a fact, that business will restructure to keep prices down, and that means still trading within the EU, that will also mean moving more of their enterprises and structure within the EU.

Here is just one example for you:

Paul Polman, chief executive of the international consumer goods giant, warned that Unilever could pull back its investments in Britain "kicked against the table" and left the political bloc.
"We will always look at things," he responded when asked if Unilever, which employs 7,000 people in the UK, could reduce its presence in the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/12/world-trade-uk-eu_n_4773835.html
This last point is most apt:

The UK head of aerospace giant Airbus Group warned that Eurosceptics would need to offer a "compelling" alternative for how Britain could operate outside the EU without putting growth at risk.

So far nobody has offered anything on how this will be done and shows again you plunge into the deep end of the swimming pool without learning how to swim first

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:11 pm

95% of businesses don't export to EU. But are saddled with the burden of EU regulations and costs.

So we give EU 55 million a day and they give us a little bit back. We would be better off just keeping all the money here to be spent on our country where the money comes from. Not giving any away to anyone.

We joined the EEC which was a simple trade arrangement on coal and steel, we never have our consent for the EU or giving away any of our sovereign powers.

You still have not answered....

We have established that trade can and will and already does happen with countries outside the EU, And will continue with us if we left the EU, so therefore the EU itself is unnecessary.

And What are our benefits in being in the EU?

And he businesses are so happy being in UK with us in the EU, Why did cadbury and others move away from UK to EU?

We can make our own arrangements once left the EU.

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:95% of businesses don't export to EU. But are saddled with the burden of EU regulations and costs.
So we give EU 55 million a day and they give us a little bit back. We would be better off just keeping all the money here to be spent on our country where the money comes from. Not giving any away to anyone.
We joined the EEC which was a simple trade arrangement on coal and steel, we never have our consent for the EU or giving away any of our sovereign powers.
You still have not answered....
We have established that trade can and will and already does happen with countries outside the EU, And will continue with us if we left the EU, so therefore the EU itself is unnecessary.
And What are our benefits in being in the EU?
And he businesses are so happy being in UK with us in the EU, Why did cadbury and others move away from UK to EU?
We can make our own arrangements once left the EU.

I corrected all your points because all of them were wrong, for start, how do you explain that we trade 50% of our exports with the EU, if only 5% trade with the EU as you claims?

You really are a waste of time to debate, you never can counter my points and fail to understand anything on this.

So try again

1) PMSL, so basically you are going off a lie.
75.3 per cent of private sector businesses do not employ
anyone beside the business owners. Only 1 in 5 business even export, so I suggest you read think your maths as again it is bollocks.

2) More bullshit, In 2013, UK government gross contributions were £14 billion. After rebates and other receipts, our net contribution was £8.6 billion, which is 24 million not 55
https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887

Also even if we left we would still have to pay to trade with the EU, I suggest you look at what Norway pays for example

As seen the profit far outweighs the cost.

3) http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296

5) Incorrect again the EU was formed as stated:

The overall aim of the EEC/EU, since its foundation in 1958, is to promote peace; the values of human rights; democracy; equality; the rule of law; and the well-being of its peoples. These values are the bedrock of the EU’s work and its role in the world.

http://www.eumatters.ie/why-was-the-eu-founded-.html

5) You have not answered any of mine you cheeky tosser, as you always avoid

No we would have to make new trade agreements even for those outside the EU, because these agreements are bound by the EU
6) Incorrect again:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cbi-warning-over-economic-future-if-britain-leaves-the-eu-9570955.html

7) Trade will be affected, as it willtake a very long time to sort out new trade deals, which you clearly have no idea on

Now counter my points, though I do laugh you went to UKIP for that bollocks

I just have, it has helped Britain again become one of the strongest economies, where many investors have come to Britain because of Britain being a part of EU.
Now counter my earlier points
Where do you keep coming out with this rubbish about trade being stopped, the trade will not be stopped but it is at what cost, which is why you are utterly clueless on this and have no understanding how anything works, we are one country, they are a confederation of many nations, thus they get to pull together to act as place on the UK the trade agreements, when again we trade more with them, than they do with us.
As to how much we trade you are also clueless, see below

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3db869a4-b81d-11e3-92f9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz36Jz2j5KE

Now if trade is going to be more expensive, then companies will use resources of which many do already abroad within the EU, thus job losses over here, which is another factor you do not seem to understand, so no trade is going to stop, but it will be the cost factor that will have an affect on many companies, let alone the foreign ones, who will just reduce the facilities here, creating further job loses, they will only need a smaller work force to trade outside the EU, and increase their facilities of which they already have within the EU, again this is lost on you what affect it has on a nation.

So again you know very little on the what if's, but some things will be a fact, that business will restructure to keep prices down, and that means still trading within the EU, that will also mean moving more of their enterprises and structure within the EU.

Here is just one example for you:

Paul Polman, chief executive of the international consumer goods giant, warned that Unilever could pull back its investments in Britain "kicked against the table" and left the political bloc.
"We will always look at things," he responded when asked if Unilever, which employs 7,000 people in the UK, could reduce its presence in the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/12/world-trade-uk-eu_n_4773835.html
This last point is most apt:

The UK head of aerospace giant Airbus Group warned that Eurosceptics would need to offer a "compelling" alternative for how Britain could operate outside the EU without putting growth at risk.

So far nobody has offered anything on how this will be done and shows again you plunge into the deep end of the swimming pool without learning how to swim first

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:21 pm

I have to go, but if I come back and you failed to counter and claim the same bullshit, then you clearly are not only gullible but no point in continuing this any further.

Your choice whether this continues, otherwise you will be talking to your wanking hand

Byee

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:36 pm

Already answered and you Are just ignoring it and then just spamming the same shit again.

The 95% of companies don't trade with EU can also be found here....

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100254743/the-business-debate-on-the-eu-has-flipped-around-most-firms-now-want-to-be-freed-from-brussels-regulation/

And here...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/14/eurosceptic-business-group-seeks-exemption-from-eu-rules-for-british-companies

So.....

95% of businesses don't export to EU. But are saddled with the burden of EU regulations and costs.

So we give EU 55 million a day and they give us a little bit back. We would be better off just keeping all the money here to be spent on our country where the money comes from. Not giving any away to anyone.

We joined the EEC which was a simple trade arrangement on coal and steel, we never have our consent for the EU or giving away any of our sovereign powers.

You still have not answered....

We have established that trade can and will and already does happen with countries outside the EU, And will continue with us if we left the EU, so therefore the EU itself is unnecessary.

And What are our benefits in being in the EU?

And he businesses are so happy being in UK with us in the EU, Why did cadbury and others move away from UK to EU?

We can make our own arrangements once left the EU.

Stop avoiding.

by Fred Moletrousers Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:37 pm

veya_victaous wrote:I got re-ask

WHAT HAS THIS GUY DONE??

why do so many Englishmen think he will save them? (even though his suggestions definitely will not save England and probably make it much worse off)

Seriously? is it just because he is spouting some shit or has he actually achieved things in his life... I don't know why you don't try and get someone like Richard Branson, he would at least give you a Malcolm Turnbull like option.. you got no one like Clive the Magnificent, Builder of Titanic 2 and Master of Dinobots... But Branson is a least a start.

Sadly, the Richard Branstons of this world rarely go into politics in this country, and if they do so at any meaningful level (i.e ministerial rank) it is usually as a member of the House of Lords sitting on the government benches.

The huge UK vote for Farage and UKIP was, IMO, overwhelmingly a protest vote and I am among those who deliberately recorded my protest at the polls.

Many people are heartily sick of the usurped governmental powers, the constant meddling and interference in even the minutiae of the lives of the individual, the sheer corruption and self-service among EU politicians and the total lack of and contempt for democracy that exists among the self-styled (and usually self-appointed) European political elite in their relentless drive towards a United States of Europe.

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:39 pm

The only argument those who worship our work-shy politicians can come up with is money (greedy pigs).

It isn't about money, not one little bit.

There's something inside so strong!

by Guest Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:53 pm

I really laugh at Tommy's stupidity:

Export Week is a major component of the National Challenge and is part of a concerted campaign led by Lord Green to increase the number of British companies who export, from current levels of around 20 per cent to 25 per cent or more. By increasing the number of companies who export by roughly a quarter, about £36 billion could be added to the UK economy.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/export-week-to-help-firms-target-high-growth-markets

Thus 80% do not even export

DOH

Of those who do export:

Exports to European Union countries are worth £211 billion to the British economy and help support 4.2 million UK jobs, according to analysis by an economic think tank.

The Centre for Economic and Business Research (CEBR) study of figures for 2011, the most recent full set of data available, shows that the EU's demand for goods and services from Britain has steadily increased since a similar piece of work was carried out in 1997.

The report, for the British Influence group which campaigns for the UK to remain in a reformed EU, found that income from exports to other member states was worth £3,500 per head of the population in 2011.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/31/eu-exports-jobs_n_5061398.html

Reuters) - Britain's membership of the European Union boosts its trade in goods by about 30 percent and there is no evidence it impedes trade with countries outside the 28-nation bloc, a pro-European think tank said in a report on Monday.

The London-based Centre for European Reform (CER) predicted Britain would struggle to maintain trade with other EU member states - now 54 percent of goods trade - if it left the bloc.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/01/20/uk-britain-eu-trade-idUKBREA0J00B20140120

Incredible that only 5% of companies that export do over 50% of all our exports.

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Not going to waste my time on another debate where Matti avoids all my points, I answer all his and correct his many errors and he just keeps looking an idiot and avoids all mine.

Game over

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:54 pm

Again you have answered a question I didn't ask and avoided the questions I did.....

Pretty sad really!

by Tommy Monk Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:07 pm

The point of What is in the articles I posted is that there are only a small percentage of UK companies who export to The EU but ALL UK companies are burdened with the regulations and associated billions in costs.

If you can't understand this simple premise and see why that might be a problem then it is clearly you who are The idiot.

by veya_victaous Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:07 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:I got re-ask

WHAT HAS THIS GUY DONE??

why do so many Englishmen think he will save them? (even though his suggestions definitely will not save England and probably make it much worse off)

Seriously? is it just because he is spouting some shit or has he actually achieved things in his life... I don't know why you don't try and get someone like Richard Branson, he would at least give you a Malcolm Turnbull like option.. you got no one like Clive the Magnificent, Builder of Titanic 2 and Master of Dinobots... But Branson is a least a start.

Sadly, the Richard Branstons of this world rarely go into politics in this country, and if they do so at any meaningful level (i.e ministerial rank) it is usually as a member of the House of Lords sitting on the government benches.

The huge UK vote for Farage and UKIP was, IMO, overwhelmingly a protest vote and I am among those who deliberately recorded my protest at the polls.

Many people are heartily sick of the usurped governmental powers, the constant meddling and interference in even the minutiae of the lives of the individual, the sheer corruption and self-service among EU politicians and the total lack of and contempt for democracy that exists among the self-styled (and usually self-appointed) European political elite in their relentless drive towards a United States of Europe.

Thank you for the Reasonable answer ::D::

I must admit I do find the whole how people are getting elected to power in the EU confusing Suspect

. I think the EU is a good Idea and long term one Europe needs to adopt it... but you probably have a very valid point about the transparency of the election process and legislative process. Also I can see that Accountability of the politicians is also definitely an issue.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:14 am

There is no want or need for the EU federal dictatorship.

We all have our national governments who are already there and paid to negotiate with our European partners.

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