Nigel Farage Turns His Back On EU National Anthem

1st July 2014

The anthem was played to celebrate the new MEP President, a German left winger.

The anthem is Beethoven's "Ode To Joy".

Nigel Farage was today accused of 'shocking disrespect' after turning his back on the EU's national anthem as the European Parliament was opened in France.

The UKIP leader's public show of dissent came after the German socialist Martin Schulz was reappointed president of the European Parliament - in a shady 'backroom stitch up' sparking anger in Britain.

Mr Schulz was backed by MEPs to carry on in the £213,000 a year role, despite the fact that his Socialist group lost May's European elections.

Mr Schulz was elected by MEPs in Strasbourg today after they observed the European anthem.

Although most MEPs stood up for it, British Tory MEPs sat quietly while UKIP MEPs turned their backs on the orchestra and the EU flag.

Steven Woolfe said the show of protest was against the 'done deal' for Mr Schulz's election as president of the EU parliament.

He said: 'Only the Labour group in the EU and their Socialist partners clapping Shultz in his speech for EU Parliament president.'





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2676449/Brussels-backroom-stitch-sees-German-socialist-lost-European-elections-appointed-MEP-president-backing-Jean-Claude-Juncker-row-Cameron.html#ixzz36F7L6mNQ

He gets a great deal of money to represent us in the EU, so while he is cashing in, the least he can do is behave himself. I wonder what people would think if people from the EU turned their back when our national anthem is played at a football match for example.

Sassy wrote:He gets a great deal of money to represent us in the EU, so while he is cashing in, the least he can do is behave himself.   I wonder what people would think if people from the EU turned their back when our national anthem is played at a football match for example.

I don't think his supporters want him to behave Sassy.

I want him to cause absolute havoc, every day. I want him to spend the salary and expenses i provide on cheap cans of lager and drink them while the others are speaking. Then i want him to wee his pants while laughing hysterically.

You have a point sassy but isnt it totally refreshing to have someone who just speaks his mind and will not bow down if he doesn't believe in something?

At least there's hope for change, and not the same old same old, yes?

If you like being manipulated by a total moron while allowing him to use your money to make hay while the sun shines, rather than representing you in things that make a difference to your life, yea, go ahead.   It was because of him and others of his ilk that things Britain didn't want passed, passed, because they wouldn't vote.   What you're actually doing is paying people to have a jolly piss up and stop your voice being heard, and he's laughing all the way to the bank.

Sassy wrote:If you like being manipulated by a total moron while allowing him to use your money to make hay while the sun shines, rather than representing you in things that make a difference to your life, yea, go ahead.   It was because of him and others of his ilk that things Britain didn't want passed, passed, because they wouldn't vote.   What your actually doing is paying people to have a jolly piss up and stop your voice being heard.

You're.

I'd already changed it.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:He gets a great deal of money to represent us in the EU, so while he is cashing in, the least he can do is behave himself.   I wonder what people would think if people from the EU turned their back when our national anthem is played at a football match for example.

I don't think his supporters want him to behave Sassy.

I want him to cause absolute havoc, every day.  I want him to spend the salary and expenses i provide on cheap cans of lager and drink them while the others are speaking.  Then i want him to wee his pants while laughing hysterically.

What the discerning UKIP supporter seeks in a leader, very neatly put BA.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


I don't think his supporters want him to behave Sassy.

I want him to cause absolute havoc, every day.  I want him to spend the salary and expenses i provide on cheap cans of lager and drink them while the others are speaking.  Then i want him to wee his pants while laughing hysterically.

What the discerning UKIP supporter seeks in a leader, very neatly put BA.

      

Just displays the complete lack of maturity of the party and anyone who would support it to be honest. This prats success makes much of our country a laughing stock tbh.

eddie wrote:You have a point sassy but isnt it totally refreshing to have someone who just speaks his mind and will not bow down if he doesn't believe in something?

At least there's hope for change, and not the same old same old, yes?

well if Farge is the best you can do you guys are in bigger trouble than I thought     

has he even tried to resurrect Anything       

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:He gets a great deal of money to represent us in the EU, so while he is cashing in, the least he can do is behave himself.   I wonder what people would think if people from the EU turned their back when our national anthem is played at a football match for example.

I don't think his supporters want him to behave Sassy.

I want him to cause absolute havoc, every day. I want him to spend the salary and expenses i provide on cheap cans of lager and drink them while the others are speaking. Then i want him to wee his pants while laughing hysterically.

Well quite, I mean political leaders going on about politics is so old hat. What we need in a leader of this country is someone who's not afraid to go down the pub and gargle while balancing a cheese-stick on his nose at the same time.

Nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.

lovedust wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:He gets a great deal of money to represent us in the EU, so while he is cashing in, the least he can do is behave himself.   I wonder what people would think if people from the EU turned their back when our national anthem is played at a football match for example.

I don't think his supporters want him to behave Sassy.

I want him to cause absolute havoc, every day.  I want him to spend the salary and expenses i provide on cheap cans of lager and drink them while the others are speaking.  Then i want him to wee his pants while laughing hysterically.

Well quite, I mean political leaders going on about politics is so old hat. What we need in a leader of this country is someone who's not afraid to go down the pub and gargle while balancing a cheese-stick on his nose at the same time.

Nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come.

What's perfect about your comment is that it's not a new idea at all -- it's the same thing that got us eight years of George W. Bush, "the presidential candidate you'd rather have a beer with." I guess the faithful need to reassure themselves that this time, it's different

On further thought, Farage is an interesting mix of the "have a beer with" candidate and the "burn it. Burn it to the ground" candidate ...

BigAndy9 wrote:

Sassy wrote:He gets a great deal of money to represent us in the EU, so while he is cashing in, the least he can do is behave himself.   I wonder what people would think if people from the EU turned their back when our national anthem is played at a football match for example.

I don't think his supporters want him to behave Sassy.

I want him to cause absolute havoc, every day.  I want him to spend the salary and expenses i provide on cheap cans of lager and drink them while the others are speaking.  Then i want him to wee his pants while laughing hysterically.

Good for him. He is doing exactly what he was voted in to do. Who on earth should show respect to that corrupt den of iniquity?

My point is this:

We've had the toffee-nosed bollocks all promising us things, saying that although they're rich they "care" about the working classes....blah blah have some more caviar cigars money etc

Now we've got a bloke who goes down the pub and drinks a pint and balances cheesy treats on his nose whilst saying he cares about the working classes etc etc

Now, I'm not saying Farage is Jesus Christ superstar and he's going to save us, but I know which of the above has the edge when it comes to knowing a little of the working mans mind, wants and needs.

We've has the toff-nosed twats now let's move over for the cheesy-twat.

Perhaps he'll even get Cameron balancing cheesy wotsits on his nose at the next general election?

Farage isn't a working class man Eds, that is part of the act. He working in the financial sector and is much a politically minded rich man as the rest of the Westminster elite. His deception is in making many believe he is something he is not, and he has conned far too many people than many more are comfortable with.

No one seems to care that we don't really know what he stands for other than opposing the EU; no one seems to care that his party are swamped with fruitcakes and bigots. Why? Because he gives the other politicians we don't like a good shouting down while gurning over a pint pretending to be an everyman.

It is a joke to be honest, only not a very funny one.

Eilzel wrote:Farage isn't a working class man Eds, that is part of the act. He working in the financial sector and is much a politically minded rich man as the rest of the Westminster elite. His deception is in making many believe he is something he is not, and he has conned far too many people than many more are comfortable with.

No one seems to care that we don't really know what he stands for other than opposing the EU; no one seems to care that his party are swamped with fruitcakes and bigots. Why? Because he gives the other politicians we don't like a good shouting down while gurning over a pint pretending to be an everyman.

It is a joke to be honest, only not a very funny one.

Well les, all that may well be true, but I'm ready to give someone else a chance.

I'm of the opinion anyway that a change is as good as a rest.
We shall see   

You would really vote UKIP? If you would can ask what it is that they would actually DO that would make you want to vote for them?

Eilzel wrote:You would really vote UKIP? If you would can ask what it is that they would actually DO that would make you want to vote for them?

No I won't be voting for them for the GE.
I was talking about the European Union tbh.

Well we got 5 years till another EU election, and tbf we may well be on the up by then (in fact we already are albeit fragile and with the poor being shit on as a result...).

In don't like him or them though, grass, populist, scape goating RW idealogues remind of 1930s Fascism.

If it was a choice between UKIP and labour only, I'd vote UKIP, only a brain dead moron would vote labour.

I disagree, though I wont be voting them, voting Labour would still be an infinitely wiser choice the UKIP.

Eilzel wrote:Just displays the complete lack of maturity of the party and anyone who would support it to be honest. This prats success makes much of our country a laughing stock tbh.

actually it displays his integrity

do you know what integrity is??

We don't want or need the EU and Farage is making this they clear.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t5577-the-theft-of-democracy

Pat Condell running his mouth as always, oh well it must be right then pmsl

Eilzel wrote:I disagree, though I wont be voting them, voting Labour would still be an infinitely wiser choice the UKIP.

Well you ARE a brain dead moron

Britain could exit the EU - a Brexit - as the result of a referendum leading to a negotiated withdrawal, a unilateral withdrawal without a referendum or negotiations, Britain's expulsion, steps by the EU to freeze Britain out, or the rest of the EU leaving Britain behind in a position that lands it outside. None will be easy for Britain or the EU. All have their flaws.

The dispute between Britain and most of the rest of the EU about the appointment of Jean-Claude Juncker as President of the European Commission has once again raised the question of whether Britain will leave the EU, AKA a 'Brexit'. While most discussion focuses on whether or not Britain will leave the EU, less attention has been paid to how a Brexit might happen in practice.

There are five ways it could come to pass. Some are little more than exercises in legal and political thinking. Nevertheless, each sheds light on what options are open to Britain and the EU. They also raise questions about what exactly being 'out' of the EU means. A Brexit, it should be remembered, is a means to an end, not an end in itself. It is not clear any route to a Brexit can deliver the long sought for end of settling the Europe question in British politics or, just as importantly, settling the British question in European politics.

First, the most commonly assumed route a Brexit is expected to take is via a nation-wide referendum that ends with a result supporting withdrawal. This is then followed by UK-EU negotiations in line with the withdrawal article of the EU's treaties.

How a referendum might be triggered is in itself a matter of much speculation. The Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats and UKIP each hold varying positions on when one would be called. David Cameron has committed the Conservative Party to holding an in-out referendum after an attempted renegotiation of Britain's membership. UKIP want one straight away. Labour and the Liberal Democrats support calling one following major changes to the EU, a development that would also trigger existing legislation requiring a referendum in the event of a significant transfer of powers to the EU. There is also an outside chance it could come about thanks to a backbench vote in the House of Commons.

Following the result the British government and EU would spend no more than two years negotiating Britain's withdrawal and the framework for a new post-withdrawal EU-UK relationship. Separate negotiations would also take place within the remaining EU to change it to reflect Britain's withdrawal. The final deal offered to Britain would be subject to the approval of the rest of the EU, including the European Parliament. It will therefore be a deal that suits the EU, not just Britain.

Whether a referendum can settle the Europe question in British politics is another matter. The issue of Europe is about more than whether or not Britain should be in the EU.

The second option open to the UK is for the British Government to take the leap of a unilateral withdrawal backed only by a vote of the House of Commons to repeal the 1972 European Communities Act that took Britain into the then EEC.

Under international law there is nothing - in theory - to stop Britain unilaterally withdrawing from an international organisation such as the EU. The EU's treaties also compel only the EU to seek a negotiation, not the withdrawing member state. Under the uncodified British constitution, the sovereignty of parliament means the government does not need to seek the approval of the British people through a referendum.

This, however, is a largely academic exercise. Refusing to negotiate, or denying the British people a say on such a momentous decision, would lead to an avalanche of political, legal and economic problems.

A unilateral leap is, however, more plausible than the third possibility which is the EU expelling Britain. There is next to nothing the EU can do to expel a member. Even suspension of membership is difficult. Any attempt at expulsion would also require unanimous agreement by the rest of the EU, no easy feat in itself. The EU would then have to defend itself against an onslaught of legal challenges from the UK and from private individuals, companies and organisations affected in Britain, Europe and from around the world. Expulsion would also add to the animosity between Britain and the EU. Relations within the EU could also be strained, with some states fearing they may be next.

Fourth, rather than directly expelling Britain the rest of the EU could resort to trying to freeze Britain out by making its life in the EU suitably uncomfortable. Just as confrontation with an unwanted and unhappy guest can be avoided by making them feel so uncomfortable that they leave of their own accord, so too might the rest of the EU feel it would be easier to make things so uncomfortable that Britain leaves the EU of its own accord.

Freezing Britain out would lead to Britain going down the route of either a referendum or a unilateral withdrawal. There is also the possibility the rest of the EU could openly discuss with the UK that it would be better for all concerned if it were to withdraw. The problem here is that Britain has been isolated in the past and hung on.

Finally, a Brexit could come about thanks to a divide between the UK and EU opening up as parts of the latter - mainly the Eurozone - develop in ways that leave Britain isolated in some outer tier. In this case it is not Britain that leaves the EU, but the EU that leaves Britain behind.

British governments have taken steps to prevent the emergence of some closed inner-group within the EU. Countries outside the Eurozone such as Sweden and Poland have also opposed such moves out of fear they too will be left behind. Compared to Britain, however, they have shown a willingness to develop connections to the EU's core that will help ensure that any divide that emerges does not leave them behind.

These five possibilities, each complex and unprecedented, all beg the question of what being 'outside' the EU means. However Britain or the EU were to part company, they cannot then pretend the other does not exist. Britain will remain a major European power, its population expected to overtake Germany's in the next 20-30 years. Similarly, unless there is some catastrophic failing of the Eurozone and disintegration of the Union, the EU will remain Europe's predominant political organisation. Brussels will be the lodestar for much of pan-European politics, economics and security (if not military security). Britain will spend a large amount of its time looking towards the EU star.

A referendum or unilateral withdrawal cannot compel the EU to give Britain what it wants beyond an official withdrawal. What 'out' Britain then secures will be shaped by what the rest of the EU and other powers such as the United States are willing to grant it in terms of new or recalibrated political and economic relations. At the same time, expulsion or exclusion would not solve the longer-term problem for the EU of how to deal with Britain.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tim-oliver/eu-referendum_b_5542483.html

And...?

So it's not going to be easy to get out of it as most people think!!

nicko wrote:So it's not going to be easy to get out of it as most people think!!

When you look at how it works, its not really going to be easy, either way if Britain does leave, it will take years of negotiating or having to come to any terms placed onto us by the EU.

Waffle....

Tommy Monk wrote:Waffle....

Wow what a response.

Is all that your huff and puff deserved......

Tommy Monk wrote:Is all that your huff and puff deserved......

So basically you have no idea on the topic and the what if's on leaving, your only counter is the website who published the article of Tim Oliver from TAPIR.

Now he gives a a view of the many routes that could be ahead for the UK, so its up to you to say otherwise not bore the forum with hot air. He is not even saying what will happen, which shows you never read anything
Its the bases for the start of a debate, something clearly above your pay grade.

Oohhh it's gonna be really tough getting out the EU.....





Is a summary of your huff and puff bullshit.


Although It did highlight that there are more than one routes of exit which I am already aware of.



Mainly gonna be tough because lib lab con are all pro EU and collectively working to prevent any chance of leaving in the first place.


They will do anything and everything to remain in EU.

Tommy Monk wrote:Oohhh it's gonna be really tough getting out the EU.....
Is a summary of your huff and puff bullshit.
Although It did highlight that there are more than one routes of exit which I am already aware of.
Mainly gonna be tough because lib lab con are all pro EU and collectively working to prevent any chance of leaving in the first place.
They will do anything and everything to remain in EU.

Not it is just an article outlining all the possibilities, it is thus not biased, but I guess this clearly eludes a simpleton!


Tim Oliver is a transatlantic post-doctoral fellow for International Relations and Security (TAPIR) at the Center for Transatlantic Relations at the Johns Hopkins University Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Relations. His research focuses on how emerging powers are shaping the UK’s relations with the USA and the EU.

Tim holds a bachelor’s degree in political science from the University of Liverpool, an MSc in European Studies from the London School of Economics and a PhD from the LSE's Department of International Relations. Tim’s doctoral research focused on foreign policy making in the British core executive.

Tim has taught at LSE, UCL and from 2010-2012 was a Senior Lecturer in the Department of Defence and International Affairs at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst. He has also worked in the European Parliament, Brussels and the House of Lords, including several years in the Liberal Democrats House of Lords Whips’ Office. Prior to moving to SAIS Tim was a TAPIR fellow at the Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik, Berlin.

His areas of research include British central government, UK-US relations, UK-EU relations, the EU’s foreign and security policies, British foreign, security and defence policy and the Liberal Democrat party. He founded the BISA British Foreign Policy Working Group.

http://transatlantic.sais-jhu.edu/about/bios/tim-oliver.htm


So again all he is doing is pointing out all the possibilities that might lay ahead, I fail to see why you find that so difficult, mainly I guess as you are so utterly obsessed with UKIP, you fail to register anything else, uite sad really

Wrong dodge!


I already am aware of and understand the routes of exit as outlined above.



What was added to all of these was the "Oohhh it's gonna be really tough getting out the EU..." bit which is simply not true.




We all know it's not going to be as straightforward as a couple of clicks on your lap top, but still a relatively simple series of steps and a clearing up of administration and laws.


Obviously some negotiations will need to be done between other trading nations, this is part of what our governments are here to do so nothing new or difficult there.


We don't need an expensive and unnecessary EU bureaucracy for this to happen.

Tommy Monk wrote:
Wrong dodge!
I already am aware of and understand the routes of exit as outlined above.
What was added to all of these was the "Oohhh it's gonna be really tough getting out the EU..." bit which is simply not true.
We all know it's not going to be as straightforward as a couple of clicks on your lap top, but still a relatively simple series of steps and a clearing up of administration and laws.
Obviously some negotiations will need to be done between other trading nations, this is part of what our governments are here to do so nothing new or difficult there.
We don't need an expensive and unnecessary EU bureaucracy for this to happen.

You have just proven you do not understand any of the what if;s but hey ho, you keep your head in the sand, it is what you do best!
It is not going to be easy, to trade with the EU we will have to abide by their rulings, which we stand to lose far more than they do with us, Only Germany who is keen to keep us in, because they are one the of the view that do lots of trade to Britain. The reality is many companies will also be very worried, because of them being solely reliant on trade with the EU, even others who also have agreements outside the EU will be affected. So it is not as clear cut as you make out, we could also stand to lose many companies withdrawing their client sites from the UK, as it will not be viable to keep them here. So there is much to think about but as seen you have not the first clue

@Smelly go suck a lemon, what were you upset I didn't respond to your first troll post?

More waffle dodge.....



Trade will not stop.



Trade does not happen because of the EU, it happens despite the EU.



And we will be free to make our own arrangements deals.



If the EU want to act like spoiled brats who can't get kidgp own way and start sulking and having a tantrum, making life difficult for us then we can be equally difficult in return and that is no good for anyone, so I'm sure they will be grown up and diplomatic about everything.....

Tommy Monk wrote:More waffle dodge.....
Trade will not stop.
Trade does not happen because of the EU, it happens despite the EU.
And we will be free to make our own arrangements deals.

If the EU want to act like spoiled brats who can't get kidgp own way and start sulking and having a tantrum, making life difficult for us then we can be equally difficult in return and that is no good for anyone, so I'm sure they will be grown up and diplomatic about everything.....

Again you really know little, trade will be within the EU on their terms, there is little for the UK to negotiate on when the balance of trade benefits us more than it does the EU to the UK, again, it shows how little you know with Only Germany being one of the main players who benefits with trade to the UK. If we leave, then we have to face the consequences of what this might entail for Britain, the biggest fear is the loss of so many jobs for people, like I sat especially where companies maybe forced to move within the EU to continue the best deals they get with the EU, in fact it could end up booming Ireland into an economic haven to do business, but again you never think ahead and only look at things in black and white. Again many companies would not survive just on business outside the EU, they would have to make cuts, to accommodate any in case in cost to trade still with the EU or move like I said so they could continue. Hence why if we do leave it is very important we leave o good terms, something again you clearly understand little about

Rubbish dodge.

Wow, so you have no knowledge on the matter and prove you are one deluded drone.

Hey ho, next time know what you are talking about before debating.

Thanks

Catch everyone else later

Nigel Farage...another complete national embarrassment and racist hate filled fool.

Dodge you talk rubbish.


Most companies in UK have no trade at all with EU but are still strangled by costs in EU red tape and regulations.



Germany won't stop selling us their cars and France won't stop selling us wine and Spain won't stop selling us oranges.



He the EU want to be petulant then we can also be difficult.


They want to inflict rules on us and we can inflict rules on them too. Which will result in a countering of it all and a happy medium established.




The EU is a failed experiment and the quicker it is shelved the better.

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge you talk rubbish.


Most companies in UK have no trade at all with EU but are still strangled by costs in EU red tape and regulations.
Germany won't stop selling us their cars and France won't stop selling us wine and Spain won't stop selling us oranges.
He the EU want to be petulant then we can also be difficult.
They want to inflict rules on us and we can inflict rules on them too. Which will result in a countering of it all and a happy medium established.
The EU is a failed experiment and the quicker it is shelved the better.

Where do you keep coming out with this rubbish about trade being stopped, the trade will not be stopped but it is at what cost, which is why you are utterly clueless on this and have no understanding how anything works, we are one country, they are a confederation of many nations, thus they get to pull together to act as place on the UK the trade agreements, when again we trade more with them, than they do with us.

As to how much we trade you are also clueless, see below

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3db869a4-b81d-11e3-92f9-00144feabdc0.html#axzz36Jz2j5KE


Now if trade is going to be more expensive, then companies will use resources of which many do already abroad within the EU, thus job losses over here, which is another factor you do not seem to understand, so no trade is going to stop, but it will be the cost factor that will have an affect on many companies, let alone the foreign ones, who will just reduce the facilities here, creating further job loses, they will only need a smaller work force to trade outside the EU, and increase their facilities of which they already have within the EU, again this is lost on you what affect it has on a nation.

So again you know very little on the what if's, but some things will be a fact, that business will restructure to keep prices down, and that means still trading within the EU, that will also mean moving more of their enterprises and structure within the EU.



Here is just one example for you:


Paul Polman, chief executive of the international consumer goods giant, warned that Unilever could pull back its investments in Britain "kicked against the table" and left the political bloc.
"We will always look at things," he responded when asked if Unilever, which employs 7,000 people in the UK, could reduce its presence in the country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/12/world-trade-uk-eu_n_4773835.html


This last point is most apt:


The UK head of aerospace giant Airbus Group warned that Eurosceptics would need to offer a "compelling" alternative for how Britain could operate outside the EU without putting growth at risk.


So far nobody has offered anything on how this will be done and shows again you plunge into the deep end of the swimming pool without learning how to swim first

Right will answer any poor counter you leave later, really have to crack on.

Bye

At least with Tommy you get some debate from him, unlike some of the other UKIP'ers on here.