Golden Gate Bridge Suicide Net Plan Gets Boost

It is hoped a net made of stainless steel cable extending below and from the side of the span will save hundreds of lives.

Officials say they have funds to build a suicide-prevention net at San Francisco Bay's Golden Gate Bridge where two jump to their deaths each month.

The bridge's board of directors will vote on Friday on the plan, which has been debated since the 1950s.

One of the obstacles - the price tag - fell away on Monday as officials announced they had $76m (£45m) for the project.

Most of the new money comes from federal transport programmes, while the rest will be paid out of the bridge's own reserves and state mental health funding.

The bridge district's plan calls for a net made of stainless steel cable extending 20ft below and 20ft from the side of the span.

Anyone who jumps from the span might be injured but would probably survive the fall, say officials.

"For whatever reason, suicidal people don't want to hurt themselves," Dennis Mulligan, the bridge district's general manager, told KTVU-TV.

"At other locations where nets have been up no individual has jumped into the net."

More than 1,400 people have leapt to their deaths from the 4,200-ft suspension bridge since it opened in 1937.

Every year, scores of people contemplating suicide are coaxed not to jump from the span.

On average, there are two suicides a month at the structure.

The Bridge Rail Foundation, which tracks fatalities on the span, said 46 people committed suicide there last year.

Backers of the suicide net were boosted in 2012 when President Barack Obama signed a transportation bill allowing federal funds to flow to the project.

http://news.sky.com/story/1288528/golden-gate-bridge-suicide-net-plan-gets-boost

Good idea, if people want to kill themselves they don't want to do something that will hurt them but not kill them, so it sounds logical.

Oh what a great idea. "The Bridge" was the saddest thing I ever watched.

Good idea, we see them more and more on known suicide spots. I notice the multi story car parks are netted now. Also they have patrols at Beachy head for those that want to go base jumping without a parachute. Also the Samaritans have intercoms installed on some UK bridges. What ever is need I guess.

But the GG Bridge is one of the longest single span bridges in the world.  Engineers have to worry about the aerodynamic characteristics of it.  

Does anyone recall seeing the clip of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge of November 1970?



A suspension bridge is essentially an aircraft.  A suicide prevention device is an interruption to the flight dynamics of the bridge.  We have been arguing over this for decades.  The GG Bridge faces even higher force winds.  I have seen that Bridge where it is swaying more than 25-feet. http://seattletimes.com/html/travel/2012014206_trgoldengate06.html

Several designs have been offered. Each time it makes the news.  Each time it is rejected. It's not a simple answer.

^ I hope to God they find a successful solution somehow.

Well, as the Directors vote on Friday and the money is sorted, guess we will know then, probably be on their web site by Monday.

Good news is this plan won't be rejected and the Board of Directors are set to approve it.

Click Here for Details

Recommendation
It is recommended that the Board of Directors amend the Bridge Division Capital Budget to include the Construction of the Golden Gate Bridge Physical Suicide Deterrent System Project (Project) in the amount of $76,000,000, with the nderstanding that the Project will be funded with $22,000,000 of federal Local Highway Bridge Program (HBP) funds programmed by Caltrans, $27,000,000 of federal Surface Transportation Program (STP) funds programmed by the Metropolitan Transportation Commission (MTC), $7,000,000 of California Mental Health Service Act Funds (Proposition 63), and $20,000,000 from District Reserves.


Thank goodness for that.   Guess Quill didn't get his copy  

Sassy wrote:Recommendation
It is recommended that the Board of Directors amend the Bridge Division Capital Budget to include the Construction of the Golden Gate Bridge Physical Suicide Deterrent System Project (Project) in the amount of $76,000,000, with the nderstanding that the Project will be funded with $22,000,000 of federal Local Highway Bridge Program (HBP) funds programmed by Caltrans, $27,000,000 of federal Surface Transportation Program (STP) funds programmed by the Metropolitan Transportation Commission (MTC), $7,000,000 of California Mental Health Service Act Funds (Proposition 63), and $20,000,000 from District Reserves.

Thank goodness for that.   Guess Quill didn't get his copy  

You are posting cow again, Sass. I just said it's not about money, stupid.  It's about feasibility.  It's about engineering.

The bridge is 1.7 miles long, in a single suspension.  You could throw a few $-billion after the problem, and if the span goes into the drink you'll still look just as stupid, if not more so than you do now. Keep your eye on the doughnut, and not upon the hole.

Now Quill, this is really interesting, because the link that Irn puts on talks about a feasability study going back to 2005 that was agreed and all they have been waiting for is a way to fund it. Now, as you told us you were a director, you would have thought you knew about it. Oh, and BTW, guess who the memo to the Director to set up the agenda for approval was from:

From:John R. Eberle, Deputy District Engineer
Ewa Z. Bauer, District Engineer

OK Stupid, I suggest you read what was said, rather than posting your usual bull.

Sassy wrote:Now Quill, this is really interesting, because the link that Irn puts on talks about a feasability study going back to 2005 that was agreed and all they have been waiting for is a way to fund it.   Now, as you told us you were a director, you would have thought you knew about it.   Oh, and BTW, guess who the memo to the Director to set up the agenda for approval was from:

From:John R. Eberle, Deputy District Engineer
       Ewa Z. Bauer, District Engineer

OK Stupid, I suggest you read what was said, rather than posting your usual bull.

Perhaps had you been on the scene you would understand.  I respect Irn's ability to research.  It is you, sass, who has completely misunderstood the point.  Money has rarely been an issue with the Golden Gate Bridge and Highway Transit District (GGBHTD).  The bridge is one of the greatest money-makers in the tourist world...everyone wants to go over and back, all summer long.  San Francisco, being the greatest tourist-attracting destination in the world, has a lot of takers.

The issue is rarely one of money with the GGBHTD, but the Board has to be concerned with several factors of a unique nature.  One is that the Bridge sits almost directly atop the San Andreas earthquake fault.  Another is that it is one of the longest single span structures, erected in one of the most wind-prone areas in the world.  Those things are the paramount concern.

Feasibility studies of a suicide barrier go back to 1972, not 2005 as you suggest.  It is not the only thing on  the table.  We have the issue of a movable barrier.  We also have the issue of seismic reinforcement of the entire structure.  The suicide barrier must be orchestrated with many other projects.  It must also be orchestrated with the budget of Cal Trans, by far the more significant financier of these projects.  While the features of these technical advances hit the media with a splash, the real work is taking place in the study sessions and casual discussion.  Those discussions are taking place in and around the other events and decisions of the departments and the Board.

Now, you have run across a small news clip detailing an insignificant happening in the daily life of the GGBHTD Board.  Because you are a cow artist, you tend to collect minutiae about which you have no understanding, nor even a framework for mental integration.  You have stumbled upon a Board passing a funding measure.  WOW--makes you feel special, doesn't it?  Christ sassy...Congress passes more measures like that in an hour than the GGBHTD.  You should be jumping up and down like a banshee.

I guarantee you that if the GGBHTD makes or breaks its budget on any given year, it will never be as significant a news story as if the Bridge falls into the Golden Gate straits.  Sassy, keep your eye on the doughnut, and not upon the hole.  The real story about this barrier is in the engineer's report, not the financial dossier.

BOX 9000, PRESIDIO STATION

SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94129
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0601

USA
Agenda Item No. 10.A.
Special Order of Business

To: Board of Directors
Meeting of June 27, 2014

From:
John R. Eberle , Deputy District Engineer
Ewa Z. Bauer, District Engineer
Joseph M. Wire, Auditor - Controller
Denis J. Mulligan , General Manager

Subject:
APPROVE A FUNDING PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE PHYSICAL SUICIDE DETERRENT SYSTEM PROJECT

Recommendation
It is recommended that the Board of Directors amend the Bridge Division Capital Budget to
include the Construction of the Golden Gate Bridge Physical Suicide Deterrent System Project (Project) in the amount of $76,000,000, with the nderstanding that the Project will be funded with $22,000,000 of
federal Local Highway Bridge Program (HBP) funds programmed by Caltrans, $27,000,000 of federal Surface Transportation Program (STP) funds programmed by the Metropolitan Transportation Commission (MTC), $7,000,000 of California Mental Health Service Act Funds (Proposition 63), and $20,000,000 from District Reserves.

Background
On February 12, 2010 the Board of Directors certified the Final Environmental Impact
Report/Environmental Assessment for the
Golden Gate Bridge Physical Suicide Deterrent
System Project with Alternative 3, the Net System, as the Preferred Alternative. In June 2011 the
Board awarded a professional services agreement for the final design of the Project. In February
2014 the consultant delivered to the District the 95 percent complete plans and specifications.
Staff is reviewing these documents and is developing, with the assistance of the consultant and District attorneys, construction bid documents.
During this time period the Board of Directors and staff have been working closely with regional, state and federal officials to pursue a variety of different funding options. Typically the District’s construction contracts are principally funded with federal transportation dollars along with a local match.
Two years ago, the construction of the Project
was not eligible for federal transportation funding.
This changed when MAP - 21, the Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act (P.L. 112 - 141), was signed into law by President Obama on July 6, 2012.

Board of Directors
Agenda Item No. 10.A.
Meeting of June 27, 2014
Page 2

MAP-21 provides broad eligibility for projects on the Bridge for federal highway funds. Specifically,
SEC. 1111. NATIONAL BRIDGE AND TUNNEL INVENTORY AND INSPECTION STANDARDS.
(e) BRIDGES WITHOUT TAXING POWERS. –
(1) IN GENERAL provides: “Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any bridge that is owned and operated by an agency that does not have taxing powers and whose functions include operating a
federally assisted public transit system
subsidized by toll revenues shall be eligible for
assistance under this title...”

MAP-21 also expressly states that nets on bridges
are eligible for federal funding.
SEC. 1108
SURFACE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM provides that:
“(a) ELIGIBLE PROJECTS. - Section 133(b) of title 23,
United States Code, is amended... (4)... (7)Highway and transit safety barriers and nets on bridges...”

These changes provided an opportunity to pursue federal highway funding for the Project. The District has worked closely with MTC staff in developing a funding plan for the construction of the Project.

It is anticipated that next month MTC will consider
$27 million of federal STP funds for the Project. The District also has worked closely with Caltrans and the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) to btain federal HBP funds for the Project.
Caltrans is slated to program $22 million of these monies to the Project.
.
The federal funding participation in the project requires that the District comply with Caltrans
and FHWA project review and contracting rules.
Staff has been meeting with Caltrans and
FHWA to determine the requisite process to
comply with the se requirements.
The three agencies will enter into a Project Oversight Agreement that describes each agency’s
role in the project implementation, including conditions that the District must satisfy
prior to Caltrans and FHWA authorizing the advertisement of the construction contract.
The District has also pursued other nontraditional funding sources. On June 15, 2014, the state
legislature passed the Budget Bill (Senate Bill 852) that provides for $7 million from the Mental
Health Services Fund (Proposition 63) for the construction of the Project. The Mental Health
Services Oversight and Accountability Commission’s next meeting is on July 24th, and the approval of
the $7 million will be on the agenda.
Considering the external funding outlined above, approximately 75 percent of the total cost of
the Project will be funded by external sources. However, as a condition of receipt of these funds,
a local contribution will be required.

Board of Directors
Agenda Item No. 10.A.
Meeting of June 27, 2014
Page 3

Although it has been the Board’s longstanding expectation that funding for the project would be
derived exclusively from external sources, and to date that expectation has been realized fully, it
is now staff’s recommendation that the Board approve the allocation of $20 million from District
Reserves to assure that the requisite local funding match will be in place. By virtue of this action, the
Project will be fully funded, which will allow it to proceed to construction. It is staff’s
considered judgment there are ample policy justifications to support an allocation of District
funds at this time, including the following:

Various District personnel, including District patrol officers, ironworkers, painters,
laborers and others, undertake suicide prevention activities that pose safety risks when they are called upon or volunteer to intercede by undertaking efforts to prevent individuals from jumping from the Bridge. There is a public purpose to be served by
construction of a physical suicide deterrent system to mitigate the se safety risks to District personnel;

Suicide incidents also impose risks to users of the Bridge sidewalks, as well as to motorists who may be distracted while driving across the Golden Gate Bridge. Thus, there is a public purpose to be served by construction of a physical suicide deterrent
system to mitigate safety risks to these users of the Golden Gate Bridge;

A unique opportunity exists to leverage a comparatively small amount of District derived dollars in order to receive the preponderance of the projected construction costs from federal and state funding sources; and

From a longer term perspective it is expected
that the construction of the Project will
provide the District with the opportunity to re-evaluate staffing levels, as suicide prevention will no longer be a significant part of our security staff’s duties. This is anticipated to result in fewer staff and associated ongoing annual savings.
Finally, a fter considerable thought, reflection and soul searching, and attentive consideration to
the range of views expressed by members of the public, many of whom have testified as to the
impact and consequences of suicide on their lives,
and in consideration of the fact that 46 people
died in 2013 by jumping off of the Bridge, it is staff’s opinion that construction of the suicide
deterrent simply is the right thing to do at this time.

Until recently the construction cost estimate for the Project was $66 million. This estimate was
based on the 60 percent design plans and specifications. An updated cost estimate has been
prepared based on the 95 percent plans and specifications, reflecting current market prices as
well as the more refined design.
That estimates projects a $76 million cost.
The construction of the Project will necessitate the complete replacement of the rolling scaffolds
beneath the Bridge that are used by District
maintenance forces and engineers to maintain and
inspect the Bridge, because the Project
will block the existing scaffolding system from moving
along the Bridge. Between the 60 percent and 95 percent design completion it was determined
that additional structural modifications to the existing bridge elements were required for compliance with current design codes
and to provide supports for the charging stations
associated with the electric battery powered scaffold propulsion system. This explains the higher
cost associated with the 95 percent plans and specification.

Board of Directors
Agenda Item No. 10.A.
Meeting of June 27, 2014
Page 4

Additionally, the construction of the Project will be combined with a separate related project, the
Wind Retrofit Project. By way of background, wind tunnel testing and analysis determined that
the Project cannot be added to the Bridge until after the Bridge has been retrofit for wind. The Wind Retrofit Project has been scheduled as part of the final phase of the Golden Gate Bridge Seismic and Wind Retrofit Project.

To avoid delaying the construction of the Project, the Wind Retrofit Project will be added to the construction contract for the Project. The Wind Retrofit Project has been separately environmentally cleared, designed and funded. This $8 million
separate project will be combined with the $76 million
Project into one construction contract.
The contract quantities and pay items will be segregated to clearly identify whether they are
associated with the Wind Retrofit Project or the
Project, and the respective projects’ funding will
not be comingled.

Fiscal Impact

The proposed inclusion of the Construction of the Golden Gate Bridge Physical Suicide Deterrent System Project in the FY 14/15 Bridge Division
Capital Budget at a cost of $76,000,000 will require
$20,000,000 from District Reserves.
The total project funding, including construction,
is detailed in the table below.

Attached Resolution
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GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE, HIGHWAY AND TRANSPORTATION DISTRICT
RESOLUTION 2014
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APPROVE FUNDING PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION OF GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE
PHYSICAL SUICIDE DETERRENT SYSTEM PROJECT
June 27,
2014
THIS RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED WITH REFERENCE TO THE FOLLOWING
FACTS AND CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH ARE FOUND AND DETERMINED BY THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS:
1.
By Resolution 2005
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015, adopted on March 11, 2005, the Board of Directors approved proceeding with environmental studies and preliminary design work for the development of a physical suicide deterrent system on the Golden Gate Bridge ("Project"). This action was taken after the Board reviewed the long history of the District's consideration of this highly
challenging and controversial issue associated with suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge, considered
extensive public testimony, and engaged in thoughtful deliberation. In taking this action, the
Board considered the necessary steps and conditions for project development, including the
development of design criteria, aerodynamic studies, alternative analyses, environmental analyses,
and regulatory reviews. The Board took into account the difficulty, if not impossibility, of devising a suicide deterrent system that would make it physically impossible in all circumstances
for suicides to occur. The Board authorized the President to constitute an advisory committee to
work with staff to investigate and develop financial support from external public and private
sources to finance the project. The estimated cost for the development of environmental studies
and preliminary design work ("Studies") for a physical suicide deterrent system on the Golden
Gate Bridge contemplated by Resolution 2005
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015 was $2 million.
2.
By Resolution 2005
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033, adopted on April 22, 2005, the Board of Directors
approved adoption of new policy level criteria for use in the evaluation of alternatives for physical
suicide deterrent systems ("Policy Criteria"). The new criteria specified eleven different elements,
briefly summarized as follows: a potential physical suicide deterrent system must impede the
ability of an individual to jump off the bridge; not cause safety or nuisance hazards to sidewalk
users; be able to be maintained as part of rout
ine bridge maintenance without undue risk of injury
to District employees, not diminish the ability for adequate security of the Bridge; allow access to
the underside of the Bridge for emergency response and maintenance activities; not have a
negative impact on wind stability of the Bridge; satisfy state and federal historic preservation
laws; have minimal visual and aesthetic impacts on the Bridge; be cost effective to construct and
maintain; not create undue risk of injury to anyone who comes in contact with the suicide deterrent
system; and not prevent construction of a moveable median barrier on the Bridge.
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3.
In order to fund the Studies, the Board advisory committee and District staff sought
funding from external sources, regional and local governmental
entities, as well as private sources.
As of March 2006, the Metropolitan Transportation Commission allocated $1.6 million of federal
funds for the Studies, to be matched by $400,000 from local funding sources. Local funding in the
amount of $100,000 fro
m the City and County of San Francisco, $25,000 from the County of
Marin, and $18,600 from the Psychiatric Foundation of Northern California and other donors was
raised. Based thereon, the Board of Directors adopted Resolution 2006
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020 on March 10, 2006 to authorize proceeding with Phase One of the Studies, consisting of conceptual designs, and initial wind stability testing and analysis, with the understanding that no further work would be authorized until full funding from sources other than District funds were secured. District staff proceeded to prepare a Request for Proposals for the Studies. Full funding was secured as of June 2006 when the Metropolitan Transportation Commission approved a total of $1,850,0000 for the Studies.
4.
As soon as full funding was secured, the District immediately issued a Request for Proposals to engineering, planning and architectural firms for this work. By Resolution 2006
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077,
adopted on September 22, 2006, the Board authorized the hiring of DMJM Harris, Inc. to prepare
preliminary design, wind tunnel testing and environmental studies for a physical suicide deterrent
system on the Golden Gate Bridge.
5.
In July 2008, the District issued the draft Environmental Impact
Report/Environmental Assessment and Section 4(f) evaluation for public comment in compliance
with applicable California Environmental Quality Act ("CEQA") requirements. The Draft
EIR/EA identified five "build" alternatives under the District's Policy Criteria for a physical
suicide deterrent system. The District held numerous public meetings and received over 5,000
comments on the Draft EIR/EA. By Resolution 2008
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090, adopted on October 10, 2008, the
Board approved the selection of Alternative 3, a net system extending horizontally twenty feet
below the sidewalk, as the Locally Preferred Alternative for the physical suicide deterrent system
project ("Net System").
6.
The California Department of Transportation issued a Finding of No Significant
Impact for the project under the National Environmental Policy Act on J
anuary 19, 2010. A Final
Environmental Impact Report and Environmental Assessment and Section 4(f) Evaluation with
Finding of No Significant Impact was issued on January 22, 2010. By Resolution 2010
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015,
adopted on February 12, 2010, the Board of Directo
rs certified the Final EIR/EA as compliant
with the California Environmental Quality Act and State CEQA Guidelines, adopted Findings of
Fact, and a Statement of Overriding Considerations to support its certification. The Board adopted
Alternative 3, the Net System, along with certain mitigation measures identified in the Final
EIR/EA to be incorporated as part of the approved alternative.
7.
With the completion of the Studies and successful conclusion of the federally and
state mandated environmental processes, the Project was ready to proceed to the final design
phase. In July 2010, the Metropolitan Transportation Commission approved $5 million in Federal
Surface Transportation Program/Congestion Mitigation and Air Quality Improvement Program
funds for the
final design of the project. By Resolution 2010
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068, adopted on August 13, 2010,
the Board of Directors authorized acceptance of these funds and issuance of a Request for
Proposals for the final design of the physical suicide deterrent system. By Resolution 2011
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059,
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adopted on June 24, 2011, the Board awarded a professional services agreement to HNTB
Corporation for the final design work in the amount of $3,990,000. Subsequent amendments to
the scope of work has increased the design contract to $ 4,190,
000. The consultant has completed
the final design, and development of detailed construction contract documents for advertising the
project is currently underway.
8.
Subsequent to the certification of the Final EIR/EA, the Board of Directors and
staff have engaged in extensive efforts to obtain construction funding for the Project. Advocacy
for construction funding has taken place at the federal, state and regional levels of government.
As a result of these efforts, specific legislation was obtained in MAP
-
21, the 2012 federal surface
transportation funding authorization bill, to deem suicide deterrent systems on bridges eligible for
federal funding. Based thereon, the District now anticipates receiving $22 million in federal
Highway Bridge Program funds programmed by the California State Department of Transportation. Additionally, the District anticipates receipt of $27 million in federal Surface
Transportation Program funds programmed by the Metropolitan Transportation Commission and
$7 million from California Mental Health Service Act (Proposition 63) funds, leaving a projected
shortfall of approximately $20 million required to fully fund the project construction cost of the
Project.
9.
The assiduous efforts of members of the Board and District staff have resulted in
the commitment of approximately 75% of total Project costs, inclusive of technical studies,
environmental compliance efforts, preliminary and final design and projected construction costs,
from external sources. However, as a condition to the receipt of these funds, a local funding
contribution will be required.
10.
The Board has carefully weighed all public input on the use of District revenues for
the construction of the physical suicide deterrent system on the Bridge, and the competing
priorities
for the District's limited resources. It is mindful of the serious fiduciary responsibility it
bears for ensuring that the District's fundamental mission is carried out. That mission consists of
providing safe and reliable operation, maintenance and enhancement of the Golden Gate Bridge,
and to provide transportation services, as resources allow, for customers within the U.S. Highway
101 Golden Gate Corridor. In the considered opinion of the Board, the implementation of safety
measures, such as the imminent installation of a movable barrier on the Golden Gate Bridge, as
well as a project intended to mitigate the risk of suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge, are in
keeping with that mission.
11.
Based upon the foregoing, the Board of Directors hereby finds and
determines, that
as a matter of policy the construction of a suicide deterrent on the Golden Gate Bridge is
eminently appropriate and justified for several reasons, including:
a.
Various District personnel, including District patrol officers, ironworkers, painters, laborers and others, undertake suicide prevention activities that pose safety risks to each of them when they are called upon or volunteer to intercede by undertaking efforts to prevent individuals from jumping. There is a public purpose to be served by construction of a physical suicide deterrent system to mitigate these safety risks to District personnel;
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b.
Suicide incidents also impose risks to users of the Bridge sidewalks, as well
as to motorists who may be distracted while driving across the Golden Gate Bridge. Thus, there is
a public purpose to be served by construction of a physical suicide deterrent system to mitigate
safety risks to these users of the Golden Gate Bridge;
c.
A unique opportunity exists to leverage a comparatively small amount of District derived dollars in order to receive the preponderance of the projected construction costs from federal and state funding sources;
d.
From a longer term perspective it is expected that the construction of the Project will provide the District with the opportunity to re-evaluate staffing levels, as suicide prevention will no longer be a significant part of our security staff’s duties. This is anticipated to result in fewer staff and associated ongoing annual savings; and
e.
After considerable thought, reflection and soul searching, and attentive
consideration to the range of views expressed by members of the public, many of whom have
testified as to the impact and consequences of suicide on their lives, the Board has concluded that
construction of the suicide deterrent simply is the right thing to do at this time.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Board of Directors of the Golden Gate
Bridge, Highway and Transportation District that the Bridge Division Fiscal Year 2014
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15
Capital Budget be amended to
include $76 million for the construction of the Golden Gate Bridge
Physical Suicide Deterrent System (Net System) Project, with the understanding that the project
will be funded with $22 million of federal Highway Bridge Program funds programmed by
Caltrans, $27 million of federal Surface Transportation Program funds programmed by the
Metropolitan Transportation Commission, $7 million of California Mental Health Service Act
funds (Proposition 63) and $20 million from District reserves.
ADOPTED this 27th day
of June, 2014, by the following vote of the Board:
AYES ( ):
NOES ( ):
ABSENT ( ):
President of the Board of Directors
ATTEST:____________________________
Secretary


http://goldengate.org/board/2014/agendas/documents/Bd06.27.14s10aSpecOrderBus-SuicideDetFundPlan.pdf



I thought I would post the whole thing for you Quill, as you seem to be very ignorant of what has been going on, you being a Director an all.   

More cow, sassy?  No more thought, but more cow.  No more intelligence, but more cow.  No more reasoning, but more cow.

Maybe you don't understand what cow is.  In my classes at the City University of New York, I would always give a lecture on Cow.  We all know what Bull is: Lots of conclusions with no supporting evidence.  But only few know what Cow is: Lots of crap (facts) with no attempt at synthesizing a conclusion.

Congratulations sass...you have given us Cow.  An Agenda Item, No. 10A.  You offer no conclusion.  You offer no interpretation.  You offer no reason as to why you have posted it.  You don't even know why it is No. 10A.  Are you proud of yourself? Where is the discussion? Where are the Minutes? Where are the subtle sanding issues going on with the Board? WTF do you think you are doing?

You do this so often that I shouldn't have to explain, but I will once more.  What you are doing is posting a lot of shit, in the hope that your reader will not read everything!!  Yes, you don't want people to read and find out that you have posted absolutely nothing.  Rather, you want people to look, and perhaps be impressed, but to be too lazy to plow through all of your pile of shit.

You are this board's Master of Cow.  You post a fooking agenda??  That's nothing but fooking boring, sassy.  Christ...to even respond would be gratuitous.

Dear oh dear Quill, shouldn't you be at the meeting now?

And as the above is the Agenda for the Director's Meeting tonight, you having said you are a Director, that cow is showing what a bullshitter you are. The premise that there would be a net was agreed years ago, as shown, it was the FINANCES that were being worked out, something you said they never had to think about.

Sassy wrote:Dear oh dear Quill, shouldn't you be at the meeting now?

The meeting is tomorrow, idiot. Christ...you don't even read the date line.   

Quim wrote:But only few know what Cow is: Lots of crap (facts) with no attempt at synthesizing a conclusion.

Regardless of contexts, anyone that regards facts as crap is not worthy of a reply. Facts can be twisted out of contexts but crap ? No, Nine, never.       

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:Dear oh dear Quill, shouldn't you be at the meeting now?

The meeting is tomorrow, idiot.  Christ...you don't even read the date line.   

Well, I obviously read a lot more than you did. Unfortunately being in hospital has meant I thought I was a day ahead. It changes nothing. You knew nothing about it, said they would not be considering finance and lied through your back teeth about being a Director, or you would have known that the premise of the net had already been agreed.

Stephenmarra wrote:

Quim wrote:But only few know what Cow is: Lots of crap (facts) with no attempt at synthesizing a conclusion.

Regardless of contexts, anyone that regards facts as crap is not worthy of a reply. Facts can be twisted out of contexts but crap ? No, Nine, never.       

That's quite a switch, Steph. Over on the KFC thread you were anti-facts, the big champion of opinion. You appear to be lost and late, that's all.

I've never said I "regard facts as crap." I've said that facts need synthesizing. In order to do that you have to know what facts mean/say, but you also have to fit them into a cogent thesis.

Once again, you are trying to put words in my mouth. On the talent level, you belong over with smels (who never substantiates his arguments) or Tommy (who doesn't research before he speaks). Uh...that's over there...with the learner's group.

On the lying level, you rate as high as it gets, and it's just been proved.

That's maybe what you meant but not what you said. 
now show me the post where I'm putting words into your mouth .  :\\:[:

Sassy wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The meeting is tomorrow, idiot.  Christ...you don't even read the date line.   

Well, I obviously read a lot more than you did.   Unfortunately being in hospital has meant I thought I was a day ahead.   It changes nothing.   You knew nothing about it, said they would not be considering finance and lied through your back teeth about being a Director, or you would have known that the premise of the net had already been agreed.

Hospital?  You are begging our forgiveness because you were in the hospital?  I'm glad you have recovered, but I don't think we should alter the laws of logic because you were sick.

You are reaching now to make your cow-shit relevant, sassy.  You, too, are putting words in my mouth.  I never said the financial agenda item is insignificant; I said it is meaningless in the context of a discussion about an important engineering design.  It's not all that significant.  We all know that big engineering projects cost money, and we all know that money has to be authorized by a Board.  Fascinating stuff, that!  But it will happen...big deal.  (We also now know that we have to monitor the Cal Trans meetings of financing...I look forward to your reporting on that exciting item.)

We all know what is happening.  You cooked up this topic in order to have a platform to have me talking about my involvement with the GGBHTD.  You wanted to create an opportunity for you to argue with me.  Surprise, surprise...I know more about it than you.  I even know the date of the meeting, fcs!!!  You don't give a sheit about the Golden Gate Bridge...evidenced by your lack of ability to even talk about the important issues regarding it.

All you care about is your life of argument and bullsheit.  You have a perverse need for discord, Sassy.  Were you, perhaps, in the psych ward of the hospital?  At least part of the time?

Am I right in thinking it's ultimately President Obama's passage of MAP that makes the June 27th resolution possible?

You are a master con man Quim, but you can waffle all you like. The facts of the matter are that you said finance was not involved. It's the main subject. You said they would never go for the net because of the engineering, it had already been agreed at a time you said you were a Director. You're a liar and your lies have been exposed again. You can waffle, you can dodge, you can duck and you can dive, but they are the facts and you are a con man, pure and simple, and your assertions of being a Director of the Golden Gate Bridge just came up and bit you in the arse, hard.

lovedust wrote:Am I right in thinking it's ultimately President Obama's passage of MAP that makes the June 27th resolution possible?

Correct Lovey, without it they could not have gone ahead, regardless of Quim saying they did not have to worry about money lol In fact, in his words:

Money has rarely been an issue with the Golden Gate Bridge and Highway Transit District (GGBHTD). The bridge is one of the greatest money-makers in the tourist world.

Thankfully it has been proved he is not a Director or they would have been down the pan by now.

Stephenmarra wrote:That's maybe what you meant but not what you said. 
now show me the post where I'm putting words into your mouth .  :\\:[:

 
Please !

Sassy wrote:

lovedust wrote:Am I right in thinking it's ultimately President Obama's passage of MAP that makes the June 27th resolution possible?

Correct Lovey, without it they could not have gone ahead, regardless of Quim saying they did not have to worry about money lol  In fact, in his words:

Money has rarely been an issue with the Golden Gate Bridge and Highway Transit District (GGBHTD).  The bridge is one of the greatest money-makers in the tourist world.

Thankfully it has been proved he is not a Director or they would have been down the pan by now.

Am I right in saying it was important that President Obama be elected in 2008, in order for the passage of Moving Ahead for Progress-21, that makes the June 27th resolution possible? Before, the construction of the project was not eligible for federal transportation funding, and certainly now with the present House of Representatives there is no chance of passage. There would never have been any federal money available if John McCain or Mitt Romney had been president.

I had this issue out with Nancy Pelosi's office back when she was Speaker of the House of Representatives, and wanted to take control of our revenue during the retrofit. (Even the Federal Government cannot impose tolls without a license, and we have the license.)

So now we know that federal monies are involved, in addition to Cal Trans and GGBHTD. Are we now saying that bridge toll control is crucial to the issue of suicide barriers? Or is this more cow?

You are doing the same thing, sass. Only now you are going wild on the PM lines, recruiting Stephen and Lovedust, in addition to your crony, Irn Bru. The whole sassy posse is alive with the creation of this thread. Almost half of them have shown up.

For sure, hospital time means stalking time for old sassy. Musta been boring in there.   

Sassy wrote:You are a master con man Quim, but you can waffle all you like. The facts of the matter are that you said finance was not involved. It's the main subject. You said they would never go for the net because of the engineering, it had already been agreed at a time you said you were a Director. You're a liar and your lies have been exposed again. You can waffle, you can dodge, you can duck and you can dive, but they are the facts and you are a con man, pure and simple, and your assertions of being a Director of the Golden Gate Bridge just came up and bit you in the arse, hard.

Point, Set, Match.  Told you...all you wanted to do was set up a platform for an argument.

You are so easy, sassy.

And you are a con man Quim, you would have known about tomorrow's Agenda and the information leading up to it if you had been a Director. You're a liar and everyone can see it. So waffle away all you like.

btw, I was in too much pain and had no access to a computer in hospital, so your remark above shows what a vile repulsive old man you are.

Sassy wrote:And you are a con man Quim, you would have known about tomorrow's Agenda and the information leading up to it if you had been a Director.   You're a liar and everyone can see it.   So waffle away all you like.

btw, I was in too much pain and had no access to a computer in hospital, so your remark above shows what a vile repulsive old man you are.

Aww bloody hell and you used to think he was such a dish!
So suicide prevention - meh
Chance to google Quill again - priceless

Sassy wrote:And you are a con man Quim, you would have known about tomorrow's Agenda and the information leading up to it if you had been a Director.   You're a liar and everyone can see it.   So waffle away all you like.

btw, I was in too much pain and had no access to a computer in hospital, so your remark above shows what a vile repulsive old man you are.

Now I'm in pain...with boredom.  If you were in such a pathetic condition, sassy, how come you have recovered so quickly?  Must not have been too bad.    

I'm glad I'm so important to you...and to the whole sassy posse.  Better luck next time.   :/pwn://:

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:And you are a con man Quim, you would have known about tomorrow's Agenda and the information leading up to it if you had been a Director.   You're a liar and everyone can see it.   So waffle away all you like.

btw, I was in too much pain and had no access to a computer in hospital, so your remark above shows what a vile repulsive old man you are.

Now I'm in pain...with boredom.  If you were in such a pathetic condition, sassy, how come you have recovered so quickly?  Must not have been too bad.    

I'm glad I'm so important to you...and to the whole sassy posse.  Better luck next time.   :/pwn://:

..so you are not a director of the Golden Gate Bridge Quill?...

Well I never!!!!  

No Nems, I used to think he had brains.   Now I know he's just a con artist.   I'll leave it to idiots like you to slobber all over him.    And Irn posted the agenda because it's on the Golden Gate Bridge web site and was relevant to the discussion as Quim was so sure it would never happen, funny that when it had already been agreed and they were looking to fund it.   Not about money he said.   Any Director would have known that was exactly what it was about.   So you carry on slurping and licking, I'm sure the poor old bugger don't get it anywhere else.

Stephenmarra wrote:

Stephenmarra wrote:That's maybe what you meant but not what you said. 
now show me the post where I'm putting words into your mouth .  :\\:[:

 
Please !

Cough ~  cough !

Sassy wrote:No Nems, I used to think he had brains.   Now I know he's just a con artist.   I'll leave it to idiots like you to slobber all over him.    And Irn posted the agenda because it's on the Golden Gate Bridge web site and was relevant to the discussion as Quim was so sure it would never happen, funny that when it had already been agreed and they were looking to fund it.   Not about money he said.   Any Director would have known that was exactly what it was about.   So you carry on slurping and licking, I'm sure the poor old bugger don't get it anywhere else.

 ::smthg::  

Joy Division wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Now I'm in pain...with boredom.  If you were in such a pathetic condition, sassy, how come you have recovered so quickly?  Must not have been too bad.    

I'm glad I'm so important to you...and to the whole sassy posse.  Better luck next time.   :/pwn://:

..so you are not a director of the Golden Gate Bridge Quill?...

Well I never!!!!  

Here comes the rest of the sassy posse. Priceless is right, Nems. It's a classic attempted ambush.

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:And you are a con man Quim, you would have known about tomorrow's Agenda and the information leading up to it if you had been a Director.   You're a liar and everyone can see it.   So waffle away all you like.

btw, I was in too much pain and had no access to a computer in hospital, so your remark above shows what a vile repulsive old man you are.

Now I'm in pain...with boredom.  If you were in such a pathetic condition, sassy, how come you have recovered so quickly?  Must not have been too bad.    

I'm glad I'm so important to you...and to the whole sassy posse.  Better luck next time.   :/pwn://:

Because I'm not better you disgusting bit of dog do'dos. I had an infection last week and was off for a few days, felt better on Wednesday and posted. However, because of the leukaemia (which even Nems will tell you I have), it came back and affected the muscles in my back and the nerves in my spine. I got taken into Hospital Friday morning and had IV anti-biotics, but am still dosed up on muscle relaxants because I'm allergic to pain killers and have to go and have a scan to make sure the cancer hasn't gone into my bones. Satisfied you lying scumbag?

Sassy wrote:No Nems, I used to think he had brains.   Now I know he's just a con artist.   I'll leave it to idiots like you to slobber all over him.    And Irn posted the agenda because it's on the Golden Gate Bridge web site and was relevant to the discussion as Quim was so sure it would never happen, funny that when it had already been agreed and they were looking to fund it.   Not about money he said.   Any Director would have known that was exactly what it was about.   So you carry on slurping and licking, I'm sure the poor old bugger don't get it anywhere else.

Balls when you saw Irn had a bigger one (security Clearance) Quill got gibbed.
You are always in hot pursuit of some man. Just now the poor bastard lucky chap is Irn

Unlike you, I have someone I love at home, only people like you slurp over scum like Quill.

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:And you are a con man Quim, you would have known about tomorrow's Agenda and the information leading up to it if you had been a Director.   You're a liar and everyone can see it.   So waffle away all you like.

btw, I was in too much pain and had no access to a computer in hospital, so your remark above shows what a vile repulsive old man you are.

Now I'm in pain...with boredom.  If you were in such a pathetic condition, sassy, how come you have recovered so quickly?  Must not have been too bad.    

I'm glad I'm so important to you...and to the whole sassy posse.  Better luck next time.   :/pwn://:

I'm the whole Sassy posse, yaaaayyyyy!      

Sassy wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Now I'm in pain...with boredom.  If you were in such a pathetic condition, sassy, how come you have recovered so quickly?  Must not have been too bad.    

I'm glad I'm so important to you...and to the whole sassy posse.  Better luck next time.   :/pwn://:

Because I'm not better you disgusting bit of dog do'dos.   I had an infection last week and was off for a few days, felt better on Wednesday and posted.   However, because of the leukaemia (which even Nems will tell you I have), it came back and affected the muscles in my back and the nerves in my spine.  I got taken into Hospital Friday morning and had IV anti-biotics, but am still dosed up on muscle relaxants because I'm allergic to pain killers and have to go and have a scan to make sure the cancer hasn't gone into my bones.   Satisfied you lying scumbag?

Is there no detail you wont post? Why for Gods sake? Have some sodding dignity, Why do you do it? Sympathy ? Attention? Then if someone comments in a manner you dont like all sodding hell breaks out.

Seriously don't do it. Not nice   

Nems wrote:

Sassy wrote:No Nems, I used to think he had brains.   Now I know he's just a con artist.   I'll leave it to idiots like you to slobber all over him.    And Irn posted the agenda because it's on the Golden Gate Bridge web site and was relevant to the discussion as Quim was so sure it would never happen, funny that when it had already been agreed and they were looking to fund it.   Not about money he said.   Any Director would have known that was exactly what it was about.   So you carry on slurping and licking, I'm sure the poor old bugger don't get it anywhere else.

Balls when you saw Irn had a bigger one  (security Clearance) Quill got gibbed.
You are always in hot pursuit of  some man. Just now the poor bastard lucky chap is Irn

OMFG!!this is like Eastenders tonight!!!

So are you saying Nems that Sassy is hunting for men?, even though she has one of her own?... ::smthg:: 

This is fcuking awesome!!!!!  

But I think  it's bullshit!!...you have proof then Nems?

Considering Sassy,s ill health, she must really be keen and so energetic to be looking for a man!!, even though she has one!

Nems wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Because I'm not better you disgusting bit of dog do'dos.   I had an infection last week and was off for a few days, felt better on Wednesday and posted.   However, because of the leukaemia (which even Nems will tell you I have), it came back and affected the muscles in my back and the nerves in my spine.  I got taken into Hospital Friday morning and had IV anti-biotics, but am still dosed up on muscle relaxants because I'm allergic to pain killers and have to go and have a scan to make sure the cancer hasn't gone into my bones.   Satisfied you lying scumbag?

Is there no detail you wont post? Why for Gods sake? Have some sodding dignity, Why do you do it? Sympathy ? Attention? Then if someone comments in a manner you dont like all sodding hell breaks out.

Seriously don't do it. Not nice   

Quill insinuated that I wasn't ill. I believe in telling it like it is. If you don't like it, fuck off, I don't give a damn.

Sassy wrote:

Nems wrote:

Is there no detail you wont post? Why for Gods sake? Have some sodding dignity, Why do you do it? Sympathy ? Attention? Then if someone comments in a manner you dont like all sodding hell breaks out.

Seriously don't do it. Not nice   

Quill insinuated that I wasn't ill.   I believe in telling it like it is.   If you don't like it, fuck off, I don't give a damn.

Sassy its not necessary or are we back to you having to be top dog at any cost?
Distasteful

Nems wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Quill insinuated that I wasn't ill.   I believe in telling it like it is.   If you don't like it, fuck off, I don't give a damn.

Sassy its not necessary or are we back to you having to be top dog at any cost?
Distasteful

You are quite mad, do you know that?   Nutty as a fruit cake.   Top Dog?   I've posted for 3 days in the last two weeks.   Mad as a March Hare doesn't touch what you are.

I believe even Ben had to point out how classy you weren't yesterday.

Quill, as I said I've a very personal reason for feeling strongly about this particular topic; to suggest I'm here at anyone's behest is quite mistaken. I don't think I've got personal with anyone here, so would appreciate you not laying accusations of being in some sort of "posse" at my door.

Thankyou

Sassy wrote:Unlike you, I have someone I love at home, only people like you slurp over scum like Quill.

I have my greatest loves at home with me, my children.

And the safety issue was exactly what we were discussing until Quill tried to make out he knew more about it than anyone else.

Joy Division wrote:

Nems wrote:

Balls when you saw Irn had a bigger one  (security Clearance) Quill got gibbed.
You are always in hot pursuit of  some man. Just now the poor bastard lucky chap is Irn

OMFG!!this is like Eastenders tonight!!!

So are you saying Nems that Sassy is hunting for men?, even though she has one of her own?... ::smthg:: 

This is fcuking awesome!!!!!  

But I think  it's bullshit!!...you have proof then Nems?

Considering Sassy,s ill health, she must really be keen and so energetic to be looking for a man!!, even though she has one!

I think Nems has hit it on the head:

Nems wrote:Is there no detail you wont post? Why for Gods sake? Have some sodding dignity, Why do you do it? Sympathy ? Attention? Then if someone comments in a manner you dont like all sodding hell breaks out

Sassy started this whole thread in order to start a fight.  Why?  Well, the answer lies in something that Nems pointed to: sympathy or attention.

Now that sassy has embarrassed herself, she wants to play the victim.  She has been hurt by something she brought up: her own hospitalization.  (Which she brought up to pose as a victim in the first place.)  You are here, JD, because you are a loyal sassy posse groupie.  

Now that that's straight, I'll be off.   

Original Quill wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


OMFG!!this is like Eastenders tonight!!!

So are you saying Nems that Sassy is hunting for men?, even though she has one of her own?... ::smthg:: 

This is fcuking awesome!!!!!  

But I think  it's bullshit!!...you have proof then Nems?

Considering Sassy,s ill health, she must really be keen and so energetic to be looking for a man!!, even though she has one!

I think Nems has hit it on the head:

Nems wrote:Is there no detail you wont post? Why for Gods sake? Have some sodding dignity, Why do you do it? Sympathy ? Attention? Then if someone comments in a manner you dont like all sodding hell breaks out

Sassy started this whole thread in order to start a fight.  Why?  Well, the answer lies in something that Nems pointed to: sympathy or attention.

Now that sassy has embarrassed herself, she wants to play the victim.  She has been hurt by something she brought up: her own hospitalization.  (Which she brought up to pose as a victim in the first place.)  You are here, JD, because you are a loyal sassy posse groupie.  

Now that that's straight, I'll be off.   

Bet your ears will be burning!

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:

lovedust wrote:Am I right in thinking it's ultimately President Obama's passage of MAP that makes the June 27th resolution possible?

Correct Lovey, without it they could not have gone ahead, regardless of Quim saying they did not have to worry about money lol  In fact, in his words:

Money has rarely been an issue with the Golden Gate Bridge and Highway Transit District (GGBHTD).  The bridge is one of the greatest money-makers in the tourist world.

Thankfully it has been proved he is not a Director or they would have been down the pan by now.

Am I right in saying it was important that President Obama be elected in 2008, in order for the passage of Moving Ahead for Progress-21, that makes the June 27th resolution possible?   Before, the construction of the project was not eligible for federal transportation funding, and certainly now with the present House of Representatives there is no chance of passage.  There would never have been any federal money available if John McCain or Mitt Romney had been president.

I had this issue out with Nancy Pelosi's office back when she was Speaker of the House of Representatives, and wanted to take control of our revenue during the retrofit.  (Even the Federal Government cannot impose tolls without a license, and we have the license.)

So now we know that  federal monies are involved, in addition to Cal Trans and GGBHTD.  Are we now saying that bridge toll control is crucial to the issue of suicide barriers?  Or is this more cow?

You are doing the same thing, sass.  Only now you are going wild on the PM lines, recruiting Stephen and Lovedust, in addition to your crony, Irn Bru.  The whole sassy posse is alive with the creation of this thread.  Almost half of them have shown up.

For sure, hospital time means stalking time for old sassy.  Musta been boring in there.   

Cut it out with the crony reference to me. I provided the link to the agenda and I did it in good faith as evidence that the suicide prevention project was set to go ahead and that with the funding now in place that the plan to proceed with the project would be approved at the Board of Directors meeting tomorrow morning. You had access to the link just like everyone else had.

http://goldengate.org/board/2014/agendas/bd06.27.14a.php

So if I were you Quill I would swot up on it real fast as no doubt your attendance will be required tomorrow morning. After all, you have missed the last two board meetings that I know of because whilst they were taking place you were busy posting away on here at the same time. I noticed that then but said nothing but when I see you starting again to try in some way to characterise me as some sort of lackey for someone else then I will speak out.