Looks like we're bribing Scotland to stay in the UK

".... Labour proposes giving Holyrood power to vary tax rates by up to 15p in the pound, giving Scotland control of three-quarters of the 20p basic rate of income tax.

David Cameron yesterday said the Tories would go further and give Scotland full control over income tax, if it remains part of the UK.

.... In a speech today, Mr Brown said it was ‘inevitable’ that Holyrood will get more powers if Scots reject independence." Mr Brown said: ‘While people want substantial devolution and they want a strong Scottish Parliament, and they want it to have more powers, they also want to maintain and retain the benefits of pooling and sharing resources across the United Kingdom.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647391/This-children-Gordon-Brown-gets-personal-vows-not-stand-aside-fight-stop-Scotland-leaving-UK.html#ixzz33alBVeLB

So, even more of a two-tier Britain. The Scots already get free education and prescriptions that the English have to pay for; seems as if they'll get even more. About time the English were given a referendum on going independent!

Heard this the other  day on the radio...can you show me who Scots get free prescriptions etc Tess?,

The cost for the prescriptions is taken from Scotland's share of money from the UK government.

And please remember that Scots pay in more per capita in taxes than the English.
Can You also show me where Scots get free  education?

Thanks.

You do seem to forget Scotland's oil revenues are gigantic and the treasury have no problem in collecting revenue on that , whiskey etc ...



And that's the thanks you give us for bailing you out, not that we mind as most are not hardline RW like your wee self Tess...with a terrible view of Muslims.

Wales get free prescriptions   

Just thought I would say that..  

I don't think it matters what the government attempts to do,I think the Scots will vote to be independent.

It's a shame in my view as I like the 'United Kingdom' as it is but I can understand why they must get constantly fed up of being ruled by the Tory's when they never flipping vote for them!

Joy Division wrote:You do seem to forget Scotland's oil revenues are gigantic and the treasury have no problem in collecting revenue on that , whiskey etc ...



And that's the thanks you give us for bailing you out, not that we mind as most are not hardline RW like your wee self Tess...with  a terrible view of Muslims.

Fine. Go your own way - suits me. See what'll happen... as for 'bailing me out' - wtf? I'm English mate.

Tesstacious wrote:

Joy Division wrote:You do seem to forget Scotland's oil revenues are gigantic and the treasury have no problem in collecting revenue on that , whiskey etc ...



And that's the thanks you give us for bailing you out, not that we mind as most are not hardline RW like your wee self Tess...with  a terrible view of Muslims.

Fine.  Go your own way - suits me.  See what'll happen...   as for 'bailing me out' - wtf?  I'm English mate.

  



...you know Tess,,I always thought it incredible, that you were Irish!!!!!!!!!!!, well so I thought...as you live in Ireland   


Btw Tess..i don't totally want independence , but the thought of further RW governments is just too much to bear, picking on poor people, pensioners and disabled people..

That is what being RW really means Tess..fucking the poor over, propping up the rich.


If we were to have a Labour government for at least the next two terms, then that would swing things for me big time...but that's not gonna happen...one term at best, then it's all gonna change again as opinions shift.


So it's not quite as simple for Scots as just leaving the UK ffs Tess, but people are sick of RW governments shafting the poor.

^Completely objective political commentary by an unbiased person.

Not forgetting Tess...the amount of anti Scots talk I hear or see seems to be a bit on the rise and will probably be the deciding factor for quite a few Scots.

Summers wrote:^Completely objective political commentary by an unbiased person.

Do you mean me Summer?...I'm waiting to see if I can smile or cry!!  

Joy Division wrote:

Summers wrote:^Completely objective political commentary by an unbiased person.

Do you mean me Summer?...I'm waiting to see if I can smile or cry!!  

Don't mind me. I'm just rattling on.

Joy Division wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
Fine.  Go your own way - suits me.  See what'll happen...   as for 'bailing me out' - wtf?  I'm English mate.

  



...you know Tess,,I always thought it incredible, that you were Irish!!!!!!!!!!!, well so I thought...as you live in Ireland   


Btw Tess..i don't totally want independence , but the thought of further RW governments is just too much to bear, picking on poor people, pensioners and disabled people..

That is what being RW really means Tess..fucking the poor over, propping up the rich.


If we were to have a Labour government for at least the next two terms, then that would swing things for me big time...but that's not gonna happen...one term at best, then it's all gonna change again as opinions shift.


So it's not quite as simple for Scots as just leaving the UK ffs Tess, but people are sick of RW governments shafting the poor.

You have a very simplistic view of people JD - I'm against mass immigration, therefore I'm a right wing greedy capitalist. Couldn't be more wrong - ask Scrat! As for Labour helping the poor, yes their intentions are honourable, but they're not too bright - all they'll end up doing is making everyone poorer - take Hollande's France as a preview of following Labour's naive policies.

Both socialism and capitalism are wrong in my view. The answer is somewhere in-between - the John Lewis model. Make the workers shareholders in their firms; that way they won't go on strike for silly things or take time off for no good reason, a failing in State sectors, and they won't go hungry while their employers get fat; they'll be part of the company and do their best to make it profitable, for their own well-being. Don't know why this hasn't been adopted nationally. Maybe I'll suggest it to UKIP as part of their new manifesto!

There's plenty of people south of The border who never vote labour but constantly get labour govt.
This different rules for different parts of The UK is bullshit.

Tesstacious wrote:

Joy Division wrote:
  



...you know Tess,,I always thought it incredible, that you were Irish!!!!!!!!!!!, well so I thought...as you live in Ireland   


Btw Tess..i don't totally want independence , but the thought of further RW governments is just too much to bear, picking on poor people, pensioners and disabled people..

That is what being RW really means Tess..fucking the poor over, propping up the rich.


If we were to have a Labour government for at least the next two terms, then that would swing things for me big time...but that's not gonna happen...one term at best, then it's all gonna change again as opinions shift.


So it's not quite as simple for Scots as just leaving the UK ffs Tess, but people are sick of RW governments shafting the poor.

You have a very simplistic view of people JD - I'm against mass immigration, therefore I'm a right wing greedy capitalist.  Couldn't be more wrong - ask Scrat!  As for Labour helping the poor, yes their intentions are honourable, but they're not too bright - all they'll end up doing is making everyone poorer - take Hollande's France as a preview of following Labour's naive policies.  

Both socialism and capitalism are wrong in my view.  The answer is somewhere in-between - the John Lewis model.  Make the workers shareholders in their firms; that way they won't go on strike for silly things or take time off for no good reason, a failing in State sectors, and they won't go hungry while their employers get fat; they'll be part of the company and do their best to make it profitable, for their own well-being.  Don't know why this hasn't been adopted nationally.  Maybe I'll suggest it to UKIP as part of their new manifesto!

Tess, I noticed you mentioning workers going on strikes for'silly' things,,,

I'm not saying that's never happened , but the majority of strikes are for a ' good' reason!!! Like pay not reflecting inflation etc, rights and terms too...

The Employers have had it easy for too long Tess, people need rights..

I see it's cam e around to the same old on immigration   

Tess, can you name a poster on here who is in favour of mass immigration and an open door policy?..certainly not me, Ive always said we are just a tiny island who can't accommodate everyone, we simply don't have the resources, I KNOW that Tess.

But Ive no problem with poor orphans coming here when there is nowhere else to turn, also many skilled workers come here, I don't want people coming here just to take though ....

That happens, but it's further exaggerated by some.

I would like mot see a strict system where people who want to come here should have the financial means to do so....bar exceptional cases like some orphaned kids, genuine students etc...

Please remember Tess, that we also have many people migrate from our shores too.

Joy Division wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
You have a very simplistic view of people JD - I'm against mass immigration, therefore I'm a right wing greedy capitalist.  Couldn't be more wrong - ask Scrat!  As for Labour helping the poor, yes their intentions are honourable, but they're not too bright - all they'll end up doing is making everyone poorer - take Hollande's France as a preview of following Labour's naive policies.  

Both socialism and capitalism are wrong in my view.  The answer is somewhere in-between - the John Lewis model.  Make the workers shareholders in their firms; that way they won't go on strike for silly things or take time off for no good reason, a failing in State sectors, and they won't go hungry while their employers get fat; they'll be part of the company and do their best to make it profitable, for their own well-being.  Don't know why this hasn't been adopted nationally.  Maybe I'll suggest it to UKIP as part of their new manifesto!

Tess, I noticed you  mentioning workers going on strikes for'silly' things,,,

I'm not saying that's never happened , but the majority of strikes are for a ' good' reason!!! Like pay not reflecting inflation etc, rights and terms too...

The Employers have had it easy for too long Tess, people need rights..

I see it's cam e around to the same old on immigration   

Tess, can you name a poster on here who is in favour of mass immigration and an open door policy?..certainly not me, Ive always said we are just a tiny island who can't accommodate everyone, we simply don't have the resources, I KNOW that Tess.

But Ive no problem with poor orphans coming here when there is nowhere else to turn, also many skilled workers come here, I don't want people coming here just to take though ....

That happens, but it's further exaggerated by some.

I would like mot see a strict system where people who want to come here should have the financial means to do so....bar exceptional cases like some orphaned kids, genuine students etc...

Please remember Tess, that we also have many people migrate from our shores too.

You clearly either didn't read, or didn't understand, my post.

Joy Division wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
Fine.  Go your own way - suits me.  See what'll happen...   as for 'bailing me out' - wtf?  I'm English mate.

  



...you know Tess,,I always thought it incredible, that you were Irish!!!!!!!!!!!, well so I thought...as you live in Ireland   


Btw Tess..i don't totally want independence , but the thought of further RW governments is just too much to bear, picking on poor people, pensioners and disabled people..

That is what being RW really means Tess..fucking the poor over, propping up the rich.


If we were to have a Labour government for at least the next two terms, then that would swing things for me big time...but that's not gonna happen...one term at best, then it's all gonna change again as opinions shift.


So it's not quite as simple for Scots as just leaving the UK ffs Tess, but people are sick of RW governments shafting the poor.

What RW governments you retard??

Labour as in before and now there is a coalition

What's moron you are turning into

smelly_bandit wrote:

Joy Division wrote:
  



...you know Tess,,I always thought it incredible, that you were Irish!!!!!!!!!!!, well so I thought...as you live in Ireland   


Btw Tess..i don't totally want independence , but the thought of further RW governments is just too much to bear, picking on poor people, pensioners and disabled people..

That is what being RW really means Tess..fucking the poor over, propping up the rich.


If we were to have a Labour government for at least the next two terms, then that would swing things for me big time...but that's not gonna happen...one term at best, then it's all gonna change again as opinions shift.


So it's not quite as simple for Scots as just leaving the UK ffs Tess, but people are sick of RW governments shafting the poor.

What RW governments you retard??

Labour as in before and now there is a coalition

What's moron you are turning into

Where did I say Labour where a RW government?, I was referring to the mess that dragged this country through 18 years of shite and rot...then we had a good Labour government, and now we have a RW led coalition ...that being the Conservatits.

If you keep this up I'll tweak your fucking nipples smelly   

Joy Division wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

What RW governments you retard??

Labour as in before and now there is a coalition

What's moron you are turning into

Where  did I say Labour where a RW government?, I was referring to the mess that dragged this country through 18 years of shite and rot...then we had a good Labour government, and now we have a RW led coalition ...that being the Conservatits.

If you keep this up I'll tweak your fucking nipples smelly   

Oh right

You're one of these lets blame the government from 100 years ago for labours failings type of labour fanatic

Last I heard labour left us broke and the Tories have squared us away

Just in time for labour to come along and blow the lot again

Good on Scotland, It should push for as much as it can get