Would you let him stay or deport him?

Amin has just 3 weeks before his medical science course starts. He is an asylum seeker from Iran who has lived in the UK since he was a child. All of his family have been granted the right to remain except for him. That’s why one week ago he started this petition and over 112,000 people have signed to help him.

His university has held a place for him to study but unless the Home Office grant his right to stay he will lose it.



Amin’s story:

My name is Amin, I’m nearly 21 and the UK has been home to me, my brother and my mum since I was a child. We arrived here as asylum seekers after my parents were forced to flee Iran. I have spent all of my secondary school years here in the UK. But months before I was due to attend University, I found out that I wouldn’t be able to go because I still had asylum seeker status.

I had no idea that would happen. I grew up here, made friends here. I saw my future here.

The last three years I’ve been waiting for the Home Office to grant me stay in the UK so that I can live my dream of studying medical science at Coventry University. I have now received a place at University but they have told me I can only take it up if the Home Office gives me the right visa status before terms starts. I have three weeks to make this happen. That’s why I have started this petition. Please sign.

The most heartbreaking thing for me is that the Home Office has granted everyone in my family the right to stay except me. My mum started the application process for us when me and my brother were children. But they didn’t grant right to stay until just after I turned 18. The Home Office have said I can't be counted on my mum’s application because I was now technically an adult. This decision is not only unfair, it flies against their asylum policy which says turning 18 shouldn’t matter. Paragraph 3.7 of "Asylum Policy Instructions, Dependents and Former dependents" states people like me should usually be counted alongside their parents, as long as the original application was made whilst you were still a child.

The last few years have felt like I have been stuck in prison. Until the Home Office makes a decision not only can I not attend University, I can’t work or drive.

If they don’t respond soon, I could be forced to leave my family, my girlfriend and my friends and return to a country where I am unsafe with no one. All I want is to go to uni, be with my family, and get a job where I can make a positive difference.

There is only three weeks to go before Coventry will have to give up my place. I urgently need the Home Office to grant me refugee status just like the rest of my family so that I can go to University this year and start living my life again.


*This was taken from an email sent to me by change.org
There is no link.

Apart from him having grown up here and that his mother and brother have been with him all this time, if successful in studying medical science he will be an asset - no problem he stays and is given the suitable status. His mother appears to have done the correct thing and if I read it correctly its the sluggish establishment that has taken so long to come to a decision, hardly his fault.

Vintage wrote:Apart from him having grown up here and that his mother and brother have been with him all this time, if successful in studying medical science he will be an asset - no problem he stays and is given the suitable status. His mother appears to have done the correct thing and if I read it correctly its the sluggish establishment that has taken so long to come to a decision, hardly his fault.

Exactly my thoughts and besides anything else, this country is his home.

it amazes me how apparently innocent people can be deported yet people who make trouble and commit crimes can't be deported.

Vintage wrote:it amazes me how apparently innocent people can be deported yet people who make trouble and commit crimes can't be deported.

I know. It’s just downright stupid.
This young man is obviously trying to make a success of his life and giving back to his country.

Stupid red tape. It's inhumane to split him up from the rest of his family, they have all been granted the correct visas to stay here, he for some reason has not, even though the family have been here since this young man was a child.

He has been schooled here and has earned a place at uni.....where is the petition to sign?
I will gladly sign it.

Sly, Google change.org and his name.

He should stay, it would be ridiculous to think otherwise.

Why is there no common sense applied here? The bureaucracy is a joke...

You know, I just want to point out that none of our right-wing members have come on here to say he should be deported. Now, you haven't said anything, but at least you haven't said he should go. Assuming you've looked in, good for you, but can't you speak up?

It's okay to agree with the other side. And it's okay to admit it.

Edds and I have had lively debates about a topic where it turned out I was to the right of her; I'm not ashamed to admit it, and I stand by my beliefs.

We were talking about guns in America. She argued, just take them from everyone. I made an impassioned argument against her position.

It's totally natural to have your own opinions, colored by who you are. But it's bullshit to compromise those beliefs to try to make someone like you or accept you.

So you righties, if you think this young man deserves to stay in Britain, be bold and say it, and don't worry about what other people might think.

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:You know, I just want to point out that none of our right-wing members have come on here to say he should be deported. Now, you haven't said anything, but at least you haven't said he should go. Assuming you've looked in, good for you, but can't you speak up?

It's okay to agree with the other side. And it's okay to admit it.

Edds and I have had lively debates about a topic where it turned out I was to the right of her; I'm not ashamed to admit it, and I stand by my beliefs.

We were talking about guns in America. She argued, just take them from everyone. I made an impassioned argument against her position.

It's totally natural to have your own opinions, colored by who you are. But it's bullshit to compromise those beliefs to try to make someone like you or accept you.

So you righties, if you think this young man deserves to stay in Britain, be bold and say it, and don't worry about what other people might think.

The same could be applied to yourself here

Why just this one case?

I mean take tis one for example which to me is far more pressing

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/05/six-year-old-british-born-boy-left-stranded-stateless-home-office/

Its of little use being able to help one person, when the objective should be to change the laws in the first place that ensure the rights of refugees and immigrants

In other words you aim to small and not high enough

I made it clear many times that I believe in the right of people to refugee status and to immigraton

So why would I need to say anything here

Vintage already made the best points on this

Didge wrote:

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:You know, I just want to point out that none of our right-wing members have come on here to say he should be deported. Now, you haven't said anything, but at least you haven't said he should go. Assuming you've looked in, good for you, but can't you speak up?

It's okay to agree with the other side. And it's okay to admit it.

Edds and I have had lively debates about a topic where it turned out I was to the right of her; I'm not ashamed to admit it, and I stand by my beliefs.

We were talking about guns in America. She argued, just take them from everyone. I made an impassioned argument against her position.

It's totally natural to have your own opinions, colored by who you are. But it's bullshit to compromise those beliefs to try to make someone like you or accept you.

So you righties, if you think this young man deserves to stay in Britain, be bold and say it, and don't worry about what other people might think.

The same could be applied to yourself here

Why just this one case?

I mean take tis one for example which to me is far more pressing

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/05/six-year-old-british-born-boy-left-stranded-stateless-home-office/

Its of little use being able to help one person, when the objective should be to change the laws in the first place that ensure the rights of refugees and immigrants

In other words you aim to small and not high enough

I made it clear many times that I believe in the right of people to refugee status and to immigraton

So why would I need to say anything here

Vintage already made the best points on this

To be fair, big changes in the law often start with one isolated case, which can then be used to shed lighter on the broader issue.

Rosa Parks was just one case and that led to massive change

Of course every incident is worth highlighting, and most here would agree changes do need to be made to ensure decent law-abiding citizens can stay, and criminals are sent packing.

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


The same could be applied to yourself here

Why just this one case?

I mean take tis one for example which to me is far more pressing

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/05/six-year-old-british-born-boy-left-stranded-stateless-home-office/

Its of little use being able to help one person, when the objective should be to change the laws in the first place that ensure the rights of refugees and immigrants

In other words you aim to small and not high enough

I made it clear many times that I believe in the right of people to refugee status and to immigraton

So why would I need to say anything here

Vintage already made the best points on this

To be fair, big changes in the law often start with one isolated case, which can then be used to shed lighter on the broader issue.

Rosa Parks was just one case and that led to massive change

Of course every incident is worth highlighting, and most here would agree changes do need to be made to ensure decent law-abiding citizens can stay, and criminals are sent packing.

But the point is the laws are not changing off many isolated cases. 

As due to previous policies that saw unprecedented numbers of immigrants coming into the country and where all Governements failed to build the infrustructure to deal with this. Has left bad feeling over all of this. So will lack support by a number of the population.

The effects of this are being felt today. That is not the immigrants or refugees fault for wanting to come here for a better life, but both Labour and Tory Governments that created a situation. Where people were not getting jobs, houses, increased waiting times with health.

It will more than likely take a generation, before attitudes will have changed for the better again

That is how much damage previous governements have done on this Eilzel

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


The same could be applied to yourself here

Why just this one case?

I mean take tis one for example which to me is far more pressing

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/05/six-year-old-british-born-boy-left-stranded-stateless-home-office/

Its of little use being able to help one person, when the objective should be to change the laws in the first place that ensure the rights of refugees and immigrants

In other words you aim to small and not high enough

I made it clear many times that I believe in the right of people to refugee status and to immigraton

So why would I need to say anything here

Vintage already made the best points on this

To be fair, big changes in the law often start with one isolated case, which can then be used to shed lighter on the broader issue.

Rosa Parks was just one case and that led to massive change

Of course every incident is worth highlighting, and most here would agree changes do need to be made to ensure decent law-abiding citizens can stay, and criminals are sent packing.

But the point is the laws are not changing off many isolated cases. 

As due to previous policies that saw unprecedented numbers of immigrants coming into the country and where all Governements failed to build the infrustrucre to deal with this. Has left bad feeling over all of this. So will lack support by a number of the population.

The effects of this are being felt today. That is not the immigrants or refugees fault for wanting to come here for a better life, but both Labour and Tory Governments that created a situation. Where people were not getting jobs, houses, increased waiting times with health.

It will more than likely take a generation, before attitudes will have changed for the better again

That is how much damage previous governements have done on this Eilzel

I fully agree. But raising issues like this certainly doesn't hurt.

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


But the point is the laws are not changing off many isolated cases. 

As due to previous policies that saw unprecedented numbers of immigrants coming into the country and where all Governements failed to build the infrustrucre to deal with this. Has left bad feeling over all of this. So will lack support by a number of the population.

The effects of this are being felt today. That is not the immigrants or refugees fault for wanting to come here for a better life, but both Labour and Tory Governments that created a situation. Where people were not getting jobs, houses, increased waiting times with health.

It will more than likely take a generation, before attitudes will have changed for the better again

That is how much damage previous governements have done on this Eilzel

I fully agree. But raising issues like this certainly doesn't hurt.

Fair enough

Have a good day, off to work

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:You know, I just want to point out that none of our right-wing members have come on here to say he should be deported. Now, you haven't said anything, but at least you haven't said he should go. Assuming you've looked in, good for you, but can't you speak up?

It's okay to agree with the other side. And it's okay to admit it.

Edds and I have had lively debates about a topic where it turned out I was to the right of her; I'm not ashamed to admit it, and I stand by my beliefs.

We were talking about guns in America. She argued, just take them from everyone. I made an impassioned argument against her position.

It's totally natural to have your own opinions, colored by who you are. But it's bullshit to compromise those beliefs to try to make someone like you or accept you.

So you righties, if you think this young man deserves to stay in Britain, be bold and say it, and don't worry about what other people might think.

That’s a good post and I’m also wondering where all our RW members are....you know, the ones that all the LWers claim are “flooding the forum”.

I would let him stay, and pay something towards his tuition ! Sounds like someone who would be a benefit to our country .

eddie wrote:Sly, Google change.org and his name.

Thanks Eddie. x

How much of this OP 'story' is true.._?


And how many real details are missing...?


Sounds like a load of waffle to me.._

Tommy Monk wrote:How much of this OP 'story' is true.._?


And how many real details are missing...?


Sounds like a load of waffle to me.._

Typical and boring tommy.

If the story had been on an immigrant claiming £250,000 a year and living in a Mayfair mansion with their 16 kids you'd have been telling us how this was proof our system was broken without a second look.

You're starting to sound like a certain Drumpf with your cries of fake news at any report you don't want to acknowledge

Let's just assume it is true, would you think he should go or stay?

No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!


We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!


And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!


Change.Org._.???


Really._.???

Tommy Monk wrote:No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!


We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!


And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!


Change.Org._.???


Really._.???

You won't acknowledge any truth in this story, or others like it, for the simple reason that to do so would show up RW anti-immigration logic for what it is - heartless.

the Asylum system is not soft, Not in the UK or any western nation!!! 

Any Spoilt Self centred Twat that thinks it is should fucking try going through it !!!!!

veya_victaous wrote:the Asylum system is not soft, Not in the UK or any western nation!!! 

Any Spoilt Self centred Twat that thinks it is should fucking try going through it !!!!!

For once I agree. The Uk has one of the most toughest Asylum systems

Actually some western nations are soft on Asylum

Sweden, Germany, to name a few.

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!

We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!

And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!

Change.Org._.???

Really._.???

You won't acknowledge any truth in this story, or others like it, for the simple reason that to do so would show up RW anti-immigration logic for what it is - heartless.

The only thing that is "soft" in the subject of this thread, is that space between Tommy's ears...

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!


We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!


And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!


Change.Org._.???


Really._.???

You won't acknowledge any truth in this story, or others like it, for the simple reason that to do so would show up RW anti-immigration logic for what it is - heartless.

Why is it the majority of posts here by right wing people supporting he stay in the country?

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!


We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!


And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!


Change.Org._.???


Really._.???

You won't acknowledge any truth in this story, or others like it, for the simple reason that to do so would show up RW anti-immigration logic for what it is - heartless.

Why is it the majority of posts here by right wing people supporting he stay in the country?

Well, there are three, you, nicko and tommy. Tommy is not supporting him staying. Nicko is a nice guy, as are you.

There are no other RW posters in this thread, and most RW posters are not arseholes tbf

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


Why is it the majority of posts here by right wing people supporting he stay in the country?

Well, there are three, you, nicko and tommy. Tommy is not supporting him staying. Nicko is a nice guy, as are you.

There are no other RW posters in this thread, and most RW posters are not arseholes tbf

What about Vintage?

Who made the best points?

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


Why is it the majority of posts here by right wing people supporting he stay in the country?

Well, there are three, you, nicko and tommy. Tommy is not supporting him staying. Nicko is a nice guy, as are you.

There are no other RW posters in this thread, and most RW posters are not arseholes tbf

What about Vintage?

Who made the best points?

I didn't know Vintage identified as RW, but if so it makes no difference to anything I said.

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


What about Vintage?

Who made the best points?

I didn't know Vintage identified as RW, but if so it makes no difference to anything I said.

It makes every difference

3 out of 4 rw people supported him staying

How is that possible based on your reasoning?

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


What about Vintage?

Who made the best points?

I didn't know Vintage identified as RW, but if so it makes no difference to anything I said.

It makes every difference

3 out of 4 rw people supported him staying

How is that possible based on your reasoning?

My reasoning of what? Make sense, man

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


It makes every difference

3 out of 4 rw people supported him staying

How is that possible based on your reasoning?

My reasoning of what? Make sense, man

RW anti-immigration logic you claim boy  

So if people rationalize in this case its right that he stays, but believes immigration should be controlled

Is that anti-immigration or just being practical having common sense?

Didge wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:


It makes every difference

3 out of 4 rw people supported him staying

How is that possible based on your reasoning?

My reasoning of what? Make sense, man

RW anti-immigration logic you claim boy  

So if people rationalize in this case its right that he stays, but believes immigration should be controlled

Is that anti-immigration or just being practical having common sense?

Being 'anti-immigration' is not simply about fair controls but about a much stronger desire to severely restrict immigration. The kind of ideology that lead to Trump's Muslim ban, that splits families, that wants to close our borders to EU workers, that puts financial restrictions on bringing foreign spouses into the UK etc.

That ideology IS heartless. I do not believe nicko, you or vintage follow such thinking, despite being RW. Much as I do not follow the SJW nonsense many on the Left do.

Eilzel wrote:

Didge wrote:

RW anti-immigration logic you claim boy  

So if people rationalize in this case its right that he stays, but believes immigration should be controlled

Is that anti-immigration or just being practical having common sense?

Being 'anti-immigration' is not simply about fair controls but about a much stronger desire to severely restrict immigration. The kind of ideology that lead to Trump's Muslim ban, that splits families, that wants to close our borders to EU workers, that puts financial restrictions on bringing foreign spouses into the UK etc.

That ideology IS heartless. I do not believe nicko, you or vintage follow such thinking, despite being RW. Much as I do not follow the SJW nonsense many on the Left do.

But many rw people simple want immigration to be controlled as its pratical, when a system does not have the infrustrure to cope with this. Often they get lumped alongside bigoted and prejudiced people

Its only the fringe of the RW, clearly those on the far right that want immigration controlled based on prejudiced grounds and not pratical thinking

Tommy Monk wrote:No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!


We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!


And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!


Change.Org._.???



Really._.???

People like you never change!

I signed, I hope others did too.

I do believe this country can make awful mistakes when dealing with who are entitled to visas to stay here and who are not...the windrush scandal made that very obvious.

Syl wrote:I signed, I hope others did too.

I do believe this country can make awful mistakes when dealing with who are entitled to visas to stay here and who are not...the windrush scandal  made that very obvious.

He does deserve to stay, there is no denying this, but what real difference is it going to make for thousands of asylum seekers?

When many live in homes that nobody else wants or how people are torn apart as families

Its only going to make a difference for this one person. When this should be about challenging the present laws

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!


We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!


And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!


Change.Org._.???



Really._.???

People like you never change!

I agree people with dogmatic political and religious beliefs are problematic

Do you not agree?

So here is a question for you

Do you think its abusive to instill a fear into a child, that if they do not follow a belief they will suffer eternally in the most unimaginable pain?

Do you think that is a good teaching method?

The reason I say this and why religious people dogmatically are bad teachers and are what they most fear with th abrahamic religions

Dogmatic religious people use fear in order to control people and even worse children

Far right people use the same philosophy to instill fear of groups of people to control them

They are essentially born from the same idea of fear

The only difference is on who they should fear

That is why religious and political beliefs drummed into children is child abuse

As they are not teaching them anything, but how to fear and hate

Neither are actually teaching them love

Applying common sense to situations seems to have gone out of the window, probably because if someone dares to bend the rules for a common sense reason, the next person who is deemed not to be entitled at all, to something like residency for instance, and there is no common sense reason to bend the rule, gets a solicitor involved and threatens to sue, so we have the legal lines drawn and adhered to and its months or years of legal argument in various courts.
I am on certain issues to the right of Genghis Khan with dash of common sense now and again, on other things I could probably make Jeremy Corbyn look like a conservative.

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:No._. I'm not going to assume any of this is true._.!


We all know that the asylum system is soft as shit and has been for years._. So if the home office is having serious reservations about letting this foreigner stay, then I reckon there must be some pretty serious reasons why that is the case._.!


And if you weren't such a gullible fool, you might not be taken in so easily by such a jackanory story as is seen in the OP._.!!!


Change.Org._.???



Really._.???

People like you never change!

Why should I change...?

It is not me who is a foreigner in another country and wanting others to change for me, is it...!?

How can any of you say anything about this... when you don't know the REAL FACTS!!!???


CHANGE.ORG IS NOT A SOURCE.FOR FACTS!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:How can any of you say anything about this... when you don't know the REAL FACTS!!!???


CHANGE.ORG IS NOT A SOURCE.FOR FACTS!!!

Well his family has been granted asylum and this can be easily checked out by his name

Freedom of information act

Plus the local MP is supporting this

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/a-man-whos-lived-in-britain-since-he-was-12-says-he-cant-go

If that is the case and is a refugee from Iran, what lunatic, would want to send someone medically trained back to a basic death sentence in Iran?

''This decision is not only unfair, it flies against their asylum policy which says turning 18 shouldn’t matter. Paragraph 3.7 of "Asylum Policy Instructions, Dependents and Former dependents" states people like me should usually be counted alongside their parents, as long as the original application was made whilst you were still a child''.


this is clearly a Home Office balls up. I think he should be allowed to stay.

@Les - when you say ''RW anti immigration'' I can only assume you mean anti massive numbers of unchecked unverified immigration, cos that's what we've had for ages now and yes many are against it, it's not just a RW issue you know