Fears about immigration are ‘racist’, says Conservative minister Anna Soubry

Some people who raise concerns about immigration are “frankly racist”, a Conservative minister said yesterday.

In remarks which were immediately disowned by Downing Street, Anna Soubry, a defence minister, said that while most people understood that immigrants played a “hugely important” role in Britain others had “prejudices”. She cited her own constituency in Nottinghamshire which she said “didn’t have a problem with immigrants” to suggest some voters were using the issue as an excuse to express intolerance.

“People who come and see me in my surgery say, ‘I’m really worried about immigration’. You say ‘Really, why? We don’t have a problem with immigrants.’

“When you explain all that to them they get it. Not all of it. Some people have prejudices, some people are frankly racist, but there are many who just don’t know the argument.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/fears-about-immigration-are-racist-says-conservative-minister-anna-soubry-9468323.html

And that's from a Tory minister

More votes for UKIP.

  

People don't like to be accused of being racist. The effect of that will be that they will turn to a party where the leader and members will not say they are racist to be concerned about immigration.

Who is this woman to tell people they are racist? Maybe they're concerned about the lack of jobs or housing, or they think there are too many people in this country.

Raggamuffin wrote:People don't like to be accused of being racist. The effect of that will be that they will turn to a party where the leader and members will not say they are racist to be concerned about immigration.

Who is this woman to tell people they are racist? Maybe they're concerned about the lack of jobs or housing, or they think there are too many people in this country.

Well it's certainly a far cry from sending out vans to roam the streets telling immigrants to come out with their hands up I'll give you that

Raggamuffin wrote:People don't like to be accused of being racist. The effect of that will be that they will turn to a party where the leader and members will not say they are racist to be concerned about immigration.

Who is this woman to tell people they are racist? Maybe they're concerned about the lack of jobs or housing, or they think there are too many people in this country.

Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:People don't like to be accused of being racist. The effect of that will be that they will turn to a party where the leader and members will not say they are racist to be concerned about immigration.

Who is this woman to tell people they are racist? Maybe they're concerned about the lack of jobs or housing, or they think there are too many people in this country.

Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than an actually hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

Excellent point there Didge and spot on.

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:



Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than an actually hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

Excellent point there Didge and spot on.

Morning Irn

Thanks

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:People don't like to be accused of being racist. The effect of that will be that they will turn to a party where the leader and members will not say they are racist to be concerned about immigration.

Who is this woman to tell people they are racist? Maybe they're concerned about the lack of jobs or housing, or they think there are too many people in this country.

Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

The thing is, these people accused of racism are exactly the people Gordon Brown accused of bigotry, just for voicing their concerns about an overcrowded country who's resources can't sustain such vast numbers - a view which you've agreed with in the past! You racist bastard....

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:



Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

The thing is, these people accused of racism are exactly the people Gordon Brown accused of bigotry, just for voicing their concerns about an overcrowded country who's resources can't sustain such vast numbers - a view which you've agreed with in the past!  You racist bastard....

So you are now claiming there is nobody racist at all?

Even odder.

Do you understand what racism actually is?

It maybe why you are so confused on this.

The fact is generally a person accused of racism, is clearly a racist, yet people as seen try to deny that they are.

Again how odd

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
The thing is, these people accused of racism are exactly the people Gordon Brown accused of bigotry, just for voicing their concerns about an overcrowded country who's resources can't sustain such vast numbers - a view which you've agreed with in the past!  You racist bastard....

So you are now claiming there is nobody racist at all?

Even odder.

Do you understand what racism actually is?

It maybe why you are so confused on this.

The fact is generally a person accused of racism, is clearly a racist, yet people as seen try to deny that they are.

Again how odd

.."a person accused of racism, is clearly a racist" - seriously? She's saying that when her constituents simply voice their concerns over immigration they're racists. Immigration - and there clearly is an issue over the huge volume - is a concern which even Ed Milliband's raised - what makes her constituents racist and not Ed Milliband then? and you, who's voiced the same concern in the past as I said. By your own definition that makes you a racist too. Fuck it, by your logic, all anyone has to do is point a finger at any member of the public and say "he's a racist", and that makes that person a racist. Get a brain, please.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:People don't like to be accused of being racist. The effect of that will be that they will turn to a party where the leader and members will not say they are racist to be concerned about immigration.

Who is this woman to tell people they are racist? Maybe they're concerned about the lack of jobs or housing, or they think there are too many people in this country.

Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

I think you're placing too much attention on your attempts to vilify those you dont agree with

It used to be bad to be called racist but then people like you devalued the word by using it every five seconds and now no one cares

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
The thing is, these people accused of racism are exactly the people Gordon Brown accused of bigotry, just for voicing their concerns about an overcrowded country who's resources can't sustain such vast numbers - a view which you've agreed with in the past!  You racist bastard....

So you are now claiming there is nobody racist at all?

Even odder.

Do you understand what racism actually is?

It maybe why you are so confused on this.

The fact is generally a person accused of racism, is clearly a racist, yet people as seen try to deny that they are.

Again how odd

I accuse you of racism

By your logic you're a racist

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


So you are now claiming there is nobody racist at all?

Even odder.

Do you understand what racism actually is?

It maybe why you are so confused on this.

The fact is generally a person accused of racism, is clearly a racist, yet people as seen try to deny that they are.

Again how odd

I accuse you of racism

By your logic you're a racist

Having better common sense than you is not racist smelly

Accuse me all you like, find it funny actually that you would.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

I think you're placing too much attention on your attempts to vilify those you dont agree with

It used to be bad to be called racist but then people like you devalued the word by using it every five seconds and now no one cares

No its easy to see who have genuine concerns, who are xenophobic and who are racist.

You of course are both xenophobic and racist by your own admission of believing blacks are inferior, so is simple to defined you by your own views

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

I think you're placing too much attention on your attempts to vilify those you dont agree with

It used to be bad to be called racist but then people like you devalued the word by using it every five seconds and now no one cares

You might be right about that. It used to be a dreaded word, but now it just seems to mean any concern about immigration, so who will care if they're called racist in future?

Raggamuffin wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

I think you're placing too much attention on your attempts to vilify those you dont agree with

It used to be bad to be called racist but then people like you devalued the word by using it every five seconds and now no one cares

You might be right about that. It used to be a dreaded word, but now it just seems to mean any concern about immigration, so who will care if they're called racist in future?

Incorrect of course it does not, the fact is when people debate immigration they tend to use racial arguments, like take Farage saying he would not live next door to a Romanian, now is that not racial?

It seems the reality is racists like smelly try to use a get out clause for the fact they are racist, claim the word is used too muc and now it has somehow lost meaning, well as seen by the defense of the indefensible people who are racist, shows it has even more meaning

It doesn't seem to have put people off voting for UKIP. All those idiots who overuse the word have shot themselves in the foot.

Raggamuffin wrote:It doesn't seem to have put people off voting for UKIP. All those idiots who overuse the word have shot themselves in the foot.

Well as half polled wanted immigrants and their children born here to be encouraged to leave, I am not surpised. The other 50% were not put off as some will being having genuine concerns on immigration, be against the EU or a protest vote.

UKIP has yet to provide any viable economic, NHS polices etc, and when it comes to a general election you will see they will be lucky to win around 4 seats

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

I accuse you of racism

By your logic you're a racist

Having better common sense than you is not racist smelly

Accuse me all you like, find it funny actually that you would.

Well didge welcome to my world

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

I think you're placing too much attention on your attempts to vilify those you dont agree with

It used to be bad to be called racist but then people like you devalued the word by using it every five seconds and now no one cares

No its easy to see who have genuine concerns, who are xenophobic and who are racist.

You of course are both xenophobic and racist by your own admission of believing blacks are inferior, so is simple to defined you by your own views

Didge are you ever going to accept that I couldn't care what you think??

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You might be right about that. It used to be a dreaded word, but now it just seems to mean any concern about immigration, so who will care if they're called racist in future?

Incorrect of course it does not, the fact is when people debate immigration they tend to use racial arguments, like take Farage saying he would not live next door to a Romanian, now is that not racial?

It seems the reality is racists like smelly try to use a get out clause for the fact they are racist, claim the word is used too muc and now it has somehow lost meaning, well as seen by the defense of the indefensible people who are racist, shows it has even more meaning

It has lost its meaning

Have you read the op on this thread??

Having concerns about immigration is equal to racism according to you

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Incorrect of course it does not, the fact is when people debate immigration they tend to use racial arguments, like take Farage saying he would not live next door to a Romanian, now is that not racial?

It seems the reality is racists like smelly try to use a get out clause for the fact they are racist, claim the word is used too muc and now it has somehow lost meaning, well as seen by the defense of the indefensible people who are racist, shows it has even more meaning

It has lost its meaning

Have you read the op on this thread??

Having concerns about immigration is equal to racism according to you

Once again you are incorrect, if ever the word had meaning it does now to distinguish between genuine people who have concerns of immigration compared to those like yourself where is is racial or xenophobic.

T

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Having better common sense than you is not racist smelly

Accuse me all you like, find it funny actually that you would.

Well didge welcome to my world

No thanks, your world is racist........ha ha

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


No its easy to see who have genuine concerns, who are xenophobic and who are racist.

You of course are both xenophobic and racist by your own admission of believing blacks are inferior, so is simple to defined you by your own views

Didge are you ever going to accept that I couldn't care what you think??

Clearly enough to respond though.

why are the fears racist if they are based on worries concerning the state of our country, criminal activity and everything else ..

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:why are the fears racist if they are based on worries concerning the state of our country, criminal activity and everything else xx

probably because labeling someone a racist is intimidating and can be illegal it seems to be the only way these days instill fear on us .

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Well didge welcome to my world

No thanks, your world is racist........ha ha

Didge i actually think you are racist towards British people , you favour immigrants every time over British people, just like the comment you made about British people not caring for their parents but immigrants do , that is racist .

No VOD, he is just pissed of seeing all Muslims cop the blame for the few idiot ones.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

It has lost its meaning

Have you read the op on this thread??

Having concerns about immigration is equal to racism according to you

Once again you are incorrect, if ever the word had meaning it does now to distinguish between genuine people who have concerns of immigration compared to those like yourself where is is racial or xenophobic.

T

And you're the crown appointed differentiator are you??

No didge you are not,in fact your opinion is worth less than a tramp scratching his balls

Ps little pakiboy your English is as bad as always I see

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:why are the fears racist if they are based on worries concerning the state of our country, criminal activity and everything else xx

probably because labeling someone a racist is intimidating and can be illegal it seems to be the only way these days instill fear on us .

that's true ...

So when labour say they got it wrong on immigration Tory say they want to reduce to tens of thousands, they are all racists eh?




http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/01/07/britain-immigration-survey-idINDEEA0603G20140107






I suppose that makes 3 quarters of British people racists then....

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:People don't like to be accused of being racist. The effect of that will be that they will turn to a party where the leader and members will not say they are racist to be concerned about immigration.

Who is this woman to tell people they are racist? Maybe they're concerned about the lack of jobs or housing, or they think there are too many people in this country.

Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

There is an element even in the Tory party who buy into the nonsense you spout daily and decry anyone who criticises the amount of inward immigration of unskilled.

The right to free speech was hard fought for the likes of Irn Bru has already made I clear he does no support plebiscites and the right of the British people to have a say even when I is promised to them. Since Enoch Powell when his oft misquoted speech is used as the stick to beat anyone who dares challenge the anti democrats like Didge at al we have suppressed free speech and branded everyone racist who hold views that differs from these lefties.

More and more people are standing up and shouting down the left wing lunatics who have forced the multicultural experiment on an unwiling electorate.

There is no moral high ground in branding everyone a racist for stating they want no more uncontrolled immigration.

Forcing mass immigration on people or be branded racist, is like being forced to bend over and be shafted up the arse or be called a homophobe.....



What happened to democracy here....????


http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/01/07/britain-immigration-survey-idINDEEA0603G20140107

Democracy has been badly damaged in the EU and there are many on here wo actually defend that.

Never ask lefties to defend democracy when they control the agenda.

Didge defends the EU blocking referenda along with Irn Bru etc.

Irn Bru defends all the acts to ride roughshod over the electorate perpetrated by Gordon Brown.

They is absolutely no evidence they believe anyone should be heard unless they agree syllable for syllable with them.

Any dissent must be silenced.


The preferred tools of choice are waffle, denial, deflection, straw man and of course accusations of SIXHIRB.

Tommy Monk wrote:Any dissent must be silenced.


The preferred tools of choice are waffle, denial, deflection, straw man and of course accusations of SIXHIRB.

You forgot Association Fallacy...

Tthat is sadly exactly what is happening....

Just keep insulting the electorate, that'll do nicely.

Look, get it through your skull ffs,Muslims are here and their staying here, so stop playing the bubbly racist greeting faced wee whores your acting like.

You really should turn your attention to other matters like those rich banker pricks fleecing this country.

They are here, yes, numbers doubled under labour.


But they have to realise that they are here, and that means abiding by our laws, and fitting in with our ways.


Not the other way round.


We have seen the many problems they are creating in areas where they make up large numbers.


It can't be allowed to continue.

Tommy Monk wrote:They are here, yes, numbers doubled under labour.


But they have to realise that they are here, and that means abiding by our laws, and fitting in with our ways.


Not the other way round.


We have seen the many problems they are creating in areas where they make up large numbers.


It can't be allowed to continue.

Tommy, I agree with what your saying,,of course foreigners should comply with our rules and laws, and i also think that if they commit a serious enough crime,they should be deported,,,

But the ones who were born here years back and only know our way of life should have full rights just like us anyway,,that's only fair,,

Tommy, do you know even one Pakistani bloke who you would say is an alright lad?

I know a few from school days and their just like us!!honest..

They ain't all as the media would have us think , sadly some don't integrate, maybe they just like being private...but some others do.

I just think every Muslim or Pakistani is tarred with the same old brush over and over.

Bit I know what your saying Tommy...I always said that on forums..live by our laws and our rules.

Most Asians sound here are Indian and Sikh, And jolly decent people.


A couple of my oldest and best friends are Indian Sikhs.


They don't care much for Pakistani Muslims either....


Andthe crime rates for Sikhs is vastly low, they are underrepresented in prison than general population.


And don't cause any problems, or make unnecessary demands on anyone to have to do things their way.


And my uncle is Turkish although not a practicing Muslim as far as I'm aware.


The Muslim population here doubled under labour so that's 1.5 million who weren't born here, with most of The rest not born here either.


So majority could easily be deported, which brings me onto your next caveat, when you say deported for serious enough crimes.


What would you suggest is a serious enough crime?


The trouble being caused and problems posed by a certain section is undeniable.


ANd just pretending it is not there doesn't help anyone.

Alright said Fred wrote:

Didge wrote:



Odd one that when some of these people accused of racism generally are happy to call others what they like mainly with abuse, if they are Muslim, ethnic minorities, homosexual etc.
It seems being called a racist if you are a racist now is a worse crime than a hate crime. .
Why is it people defend people from being called a racist, but not when people are called Paki, queer etc?

A very odd one that

There is an element even in the Tory party who buy into the nonsense you spout daily and decry anyone who criticises the amount of inward immigration of unskilled.

The right to free speech was hard fought for the likes of Irn Bru has already made I clear he does no support plebiscites and the right of the British people to have a say even when I is promised to them. Since Enoch Powell when his oft misquoted speech is used as the stick to beat anyone who dares challenge the anti democrats like Didge at al we have suppressed free speech and branded everyone racist who hold views that differs from these lefties.

More and more people are standing up and shouting down the left wing lunatics who have forced the multicultural experiment on an unwiling electorate.

There is no moral high ground in branding everyone a racist for stating they want no more uncontrolled immigration.

You see this is why you are clueless as it has nothing to do with branding people who are racist but only defining those who are, people seem aghast if people who are actually racist are called exactly what they are, which is abusrd. It is like I have said before that we muct not call a criminal a criminal, even if they are a criminal because the word is banded around to much, which is absurd. Nobody is calling people who have genuine not racial concerns over immigration racist, but just look at the comments from Matti/tommy who exposes why he is a sad little xenophobic racist,

He has no problems with Indians, but he does with Pakistani's, sees them all as Muslims, yet we also have Christians. even is clueless to the fact many Indians are also Muslims, claims Sikhs do not ask for anything yet with have accommodated their customs, showing how utterly brainless he is. He is making racial racist and xenophobic arguments based upon poor stereotypes he has because he is an ignorant racist and fears other people being in this country because of their race or religion. He exposes he is racist and xenophobic all the time and it is easy to see why he is. He even wants to deport many people for no valid reason either accept his own ignorance


So this is not about those who have genuine concerns, in fact they are never called racist, some though are very  xenophobic, but of those who are  racist, they are called racist and they very much deserve the title of being one

I have never said all pakistanis are Muslim although the overwhelmingly majority are, with the minorities who aren't facing daily persecution.


I have never said all Indians are Sikh.


And I have never denied that some Indians are Muslim.



I was merely answering a specific question on whether I actually knew any Pakistani Muslims.



I see dodge is getting her knickers in a twist again......

Tommy Monk wrote:I have never said all pakistanis are Muslim although the overwhelmingly majority are, with the minorities who aren't facing daily persecution.
You named them as a specific group, also specifying your fear of Muslims, when the vast majority are law abiding citizens, yet wish to stereotype them being Pakistani's also.

I have never said all Indians are Sikh.
Irrelevant, your argument was clear in its stereotypes, proving what a xenophobic racist you are, why you fail to admit you are is beyond me, but it is clear you are


And I have never denied that some Indians are Muslim.
Irrelevant, you did not here but again made sterotypes


I was merely answering a specific question on whether I actually knew any Pakistani Muslims.
I doubt you do and thus are using a poor association argument, because I doubt very much you know any more than 20 let alone hundreds of thousands

I see dodge is getting her knickers in a twist again......
No Didge is exposing your poor stereotype arguments

Next

Waffle.


Think you need to read what I said, what it was in response to And not what you want to see...

Tommy Monk wrote:Waffle.


Think you need to read what I said, what it was in response to And not what you want to see...

Yes I agree what you wrote is always waffle and the words of a xenophobic racist, who lives by fear, uses fear arguments all the time, has little validity or evidence to back his fear arguments, has met little of the people who classes with stereotypes and you make very poor arguments

didge you really are an idiot, no one fears the migrant horde, they just don't want it here and they certainly don't want any more.......

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:didge you really are an idiot, no one fears the migrant horde, they just don't want it here and they certainly don't want any more.......

Contradiction alert and nobody wants a people of hate who are extremists here just like you, we wish to have all extremists whether Muslim or Christians gone, but sadly we have to live with you also