Time Now to Stop the Scaremongering Against Romanians?

I have said in various occasions last year that there is no evidence that an important influx of Romanians (and Bulgarians) will come to the UK once restrictions lifted on 1 January 2014.

The estimation was in accordance with the figures recorded in the period 2011-2013 and based on the fact that seven years after the borders were opened, Romanians who wanted to emigrate already did so, and our community in the UK is significantly smaller than in other EU member states, such as Spain, Italy, France or Germany.

Romanians have now another interesting destination: their own country, because Romania's economy records one of the highest growth rate in Europe and the unemployment is relatively low.

Bigger wages in Western Europe could be an attraction, but the decision to leave your home for a foreign country needs a much more complex analysis.

Alarmist "experts" predicted that 385,000 people will migrate from Romania and Bulgaria to the UK over the next five years. Migration Watch advanced 50,000 persons a year. Ukip spoke about 29million people, the entire population of the two countries combined, to flood the British shores.

The official figures released today by ONS prove I was right.

They show that there were 140,000 Romanians and Bulgarians employed in the UK in the first three months after restrictions on the labour market were lifted. This was down by 4,000 on the final quarter of 2013.

These figures do not show how many Romanians and Bulgarians arrived to work in Britain between January and March this year, but how many were in employment during that period.

After the liberalization of the labour market at the beginning of 2014, many Romanians who were already here but did not receive the NINO because of the previous restrictions, have asked for an official registration of their presence and therefore I expected a certain increase in their number to be visible in statistics. But on the contrary: they are fewer now than at the end of 2013.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-ion-jinga/romania-immigration_b_5322188.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

The figures are bullshit, most arrived last year before the controls were officially relaxed on Jan 1st. And the govt does not know exactly how many are here or have arrived.


Also the figures for new east EU people arriving is up.



We have no controls on our borders while in EU, and that is madness.

And you have hard evidence that the UK has no border controls from the EC, despite the presence of Border Force staff manning EVERY inwards control point in the UK, scanning every passport and performing a visual check of owner against the biometric photo and data on the passport?
The evidence is that Tommy Monk is the only one talking bullshit.

We have no controls on who can or can't come here from EU.

Tommy Monk wrote:We have no controls on who can or can't come here from EU.

How do we know if they are from the EU?

Your quite right Didge...I heard a report on the radio confirming migrant numbers were far lower than many were claiming..

Joy Division wrote:Your quite right Didge...I heard a report on the radio confirming migrant numbers were far lower than many were claiming..

Yes Joy exaggerated by 60,000 by the Telegraph 3 days ago, yet more peddling fear to scare the public

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10822320/Up-to-200000-Romanians-and-Bulgarians-now-in-UK.html

I see you are intent of diverting from my points that the Romanians were flooding in before the lifting of restrictions on Jan 1st, and that figures for east EU is actually up!
While in EU we are compounded to abide by the free movement rules and we have an open door to unlimited EU migrants.

Tommy Monk wrote:I see you are intent of diverting from my points that the Romanians were flooding in before the lifting of restrictions on Jan 1st, and that figures for east EU is actually up!
While in EU we are compounded to abide by the free movement rules and we have an open door to unlimited EU migrants.

I would hardly call that flooding in 28,000 in one year between two nations from last year, well below any expectation by migrant watch to the extent that in the first 3 months the number has actually decreased by 4000.
It proves again you are led by fear, with a dislike of anything non-English/British and not any common sense

Herr Matti, this is right up your street, yet more fear promoted.

I don't believe the figures.

Tommy Monk wrote:I don't believe the figures.

Then as proven you are led by your own fears

No The figures are just deliberately untrue and misleading.





Immigration has gone up!

Tommy Monk wrote:No The figures are just deliberately untrue and misleading.





Immigration has gone up!

The figures presented here in the OP are accurate, saying they are not with no evidence is hearsay

Tommy Monk wrote:The figures are bullshit, most arrived last year before the controls were officially relaxed on Jan 1st. And the govt does not know exactly how many are here or have arrived.


Also the figures for new east EU people arriving is up.



We have no controls on our borders while in EU, and that is madness.

might be easier if we just pack our bags and give up our country now maybe we can find an island to live on because this country has nothing left apart from immigrants and islam

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The figures are bullshit, most arrived last year before the controls were officially relaxed on Jan 1st. And the govt does not know exactly how many are here or have arrived.


Also the figures for new east EU people arriving is up.



We have no controls on our borders while in EU, and that is madness.

might be easier if we just pack our bags and give up our country now maybe we can find an island to live on because this country has nothing left apart from immigrants and islam

Population 62 million

2.7 million Muslims
7 million foreign born (of which a sizable amount has increased the attendance of Christian churches by the way, where it was vastly in the decline, odd that eh).

Yes it is nothing but vastly British people here with a majority Christian, though in a few decades to be majority atheism

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The figures are bullshit, most arrived last year before the controls were officially relaxed on Jan 1st. And the govt does not know exactly how many are here or have arrived.


Also the figures for new east EU people arriving is up.



We have no controls on our borders while in EU, and that is madness.

might be easier if we just pack our bags and give up our country now maybe we can find an island to live on because this country has nothing left apart from immigrants and islam

Head for Bulgaria VOD.

It pays for Brits to live in Bulgaria

http://metro.co.uk/2007/09/19/it-pays-for-brits-to-live-in-bulgaria-135685/

No wonder the Bulgarians are packing up and leaving they're probably sick of it

They're not leaving, they are still arriving and overall immigration is still going up.

Tommy Monk wrote:They're not leaving, they are still arriving and overall immigration is still going up.

On the tv news just now it said there were now fewer Rumanians etc in the UK now than there were in December.

Sassy, do you honestly think that there would be more Romanians here with free movement restrictions in place and then less now after free movement restrictions are lifted????


And besides the actual numbers of Romanians here and still arriving, OVERALL IMMIGRATION is still rising, and eastern EU immigration is up too!!!!

Didge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:We have no controls on who can or can't come here from EU.

How do we know if they are from the EU?

Great question.

We don't know anything - we don't have figures for anything, the government admit they know nothing.

But millions of us can remember last month, last year and 20 years ago.

And we can see the difference.

EVEN IF YOU'RE BLUMMING COLOURBLIND!!!

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:


How do we know if they are from the EU?

Great question.

We don't know anything - we don't have figures for anything, the government admit they know nothing.

But millions of us can remember last month, last year and 20 years ago.

And we can see the difference.

EVEN IF YOU'RE BLUMMING COLOURBLIND!!!

Oh my, the point is there is checks in place.

You are going off paranoia based upon no evidence

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Great question.

We don't know anything - we don't have figures for anything, the government admit they know nothing.

But millions of us can remember last month, last year and 20 years ago.

And we can see the difference.

EVEN IF YOU'RE BLUMMING COLOURBLIND!!!

Oh my, the point is there is checks in place.

You are going off paranoia based upon no evidence

"there is checks in place"


What checks?

I didn't mention checks so why reply with that you cretin?!

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:


Oh my, the point is there is checks in place.

You are going off paranoia based upon no evidence

"there is checks in place"


What checks?

I didn't mention checks so why reply with that you cretin?!

You said the Government knows nothing which is gobbledygook, because we do have checks, hence why it is in the reply, so calling me a cretin will not counter the point you are filled with paranoia

The point is, immigration IS still going up, not down.

Tommy Monk wrote:The point is, immigration IS still going up, not down.

Only last year it went up, where previous it had gone down

Complete rubbish!

Tommy Monk wrote:Complete rubbish!

Incorrect

Immigration has been rising for years and years, an occasional blip in one or two of the released numbers, which are already fudged because the they are only given as 'net' migration, does not back up your claim.

Tommy Monk wrote:Immigration has been rising for years and years, an occasional blip in one or two of the released numbers, which are already fudged because the they are only given as 'net' migration, does not back up your claim.

Oh so you admit now you were wrong, egg on face time again

I am not wrong.


Overall immigration is up.


And Romanians are still arriving.