A pensioner who was paralysed 11 years ago is claiming she can now walk again after experiencing a 'miracle' at a church in southern Italy.

by gerber Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:58 pm

Michelina Comegna, 74, was struck by the 'miracle' during morning mass at a church in modern Pompei.
'I took communion and instantly felt a fire going from my feet up my legs and my whole body. At the same time, I was overcome by an intense scent of flowers', she said.

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The power of Italian wine.

Make mine a magnum of Chianti cheers

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:34 pm

Just a magnum? lol!

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:44 pm

miracles happen i have seen many , if someone has faith to receive they will get well .

Like my dad with the holy water when he had the flesh eating infection after his bypass , that was a miracle no doubt

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:22 pm

The kundalini fans will be impressed.

Not sure whether I believe it entirely. Good for her, though.

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:26 pm

lovedust wrote:
The kundalini fans will be impressed.

Not sure whether I believe it entirely. Good for her, though.

Come on missus, educate me, never heard of kundalini!

by gerber Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:26 pm

Sassy wrote:Just a magnum?

A Nebuchadnezzar is beyond my spend

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:27 pm

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:Just a magnum?

A Nebuchadnezzar is beyond my spend

So it's price not quantity that is the problem lol

by gerber Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:30 pm

Sassy wrote:
gerber wrote:

A Nebuchadnezzar is beyond my spend

So it's price not quantity that is the problem lol

yep and my difficulty in pouring the blasted thing into a glas even if I owned a big enough corkscrew............ carefull.. LOL

Seen a couple during my days in the wine industry and only a couple.............

To turn a phrase on behalf of VOD " God it's big "........

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:39 pm

::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg::

I hope JD and HA aren't reading this, you just know where it is going to go!

by gerber Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:46 pm

Sassy wrote: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg::

I hope JD and HA aren't reading this, you just know where it is going to go!

Into the Tabernackeranal ?

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:47 pm

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg::

I hope JD and HA aren't reading this, you just know where it is going to go!

Into the Tabernackeranal ?

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:54 pm

Kundalini = Theoretical reservoir of energy which lives "coiled" at the base of a person's spine in Hindu mythology. It can supposedly be made to rise resulting in a fiery sensation up the spine and "miraculous" physical healing.

by gerber Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:05 pm

lovedust wrote:Kundalini = Theoretical reservoir of energy which lives "coiled" at the base of a person's spine in Hindu mythology. It can supposedly be made to rise resulting in a fiery sensation up the spine and "miraculous" physical healing.

Wow !

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:14 pm

lovedust wrote:Kundalini = Theoretical reservoir of energy which lives "coiled" at the base of a person's spine in Hindu mythology. It can supposedly be made to rise resulting in a fiery sensation up the spine and "miraculous" physical healing.

Thanks for that. A lot of nerves connect to the base of the spine, so that would make sense in quite a few ways.

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:18 pm

According to that philosophy, the sacrum bone is so-called because of the "sacred" energy it houses.

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:23 pm

lovedust wrote:
According to that philosophy, the sacrum bone is so-called because of the "sacred" energy it houses.

Never studied Hinduism. A sikh friend reckons all orgasms originate in the spine, guess that is what he was talking about.

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:29 pm

Interesting...

by gerber Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:32 pm

Sassy wrote:
lovedust wrote:
According to that philosophy, the sacrum bone is so-called because of the "sacred" energy it houses.

Never studied Hinduism. A sikh friend reckons all orgasms originate in the spine, guess that is what he was talking about.

Note to self.

If ever divorced ensure Gerbs marries a Chiropractor.

by Guest Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:39 pm

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Never studied Hinduism. A sikh friend reckons all orgasms originate in the spine, guess that is what he was talking about.

Note to self.

If ever divorced ensure Gerbs marries a Chiropractor.

::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg:: ::smthg::

by Lone Wolf Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:13 am

VOD(original) wrote:

miracles happen i have seen many , if someone has faith to receive they will get well...........

MORE self-delusional garbage....

Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:18 am

Lone Wolf wrote:
VOD(original) wrote:

miracles happen i have seen many , if someone has faith to receive they will get well...........

MORE self-delusional garbage....

:askissas: shall i take you for a walk

by Lone Wolf Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:25 am

lovedust wrote:
Kundalini = Theoretical reservoir of energy which lives "coiled" at the base of a person's spine in Hindu mythology. It can supposedly be made to rise resulting in a fiery sensation up the spine and "miraculous" physical healing.

UNFORTUNATELY, the rest of the world still awaits those Yogi's and holy men producing their first genuine and proven miraculously cured customer...

Kundalini practitioners;
Filipino "faith" healers";
Extreme juice-only and "vegan" diets;
Born again "prayer meetings", and laying-on of hands;
Those weeping Mary statues in Italy and France that "cure" supposedly sick individuals;
VOD's and GIGATT's regular and unqualified bullshite "cancer cure quackery"..

ALL that advertising and blather and empty promises ~ and still they can't produce a single certified and proven genuine "miracle cure", when push comes to shove !

by Fred Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:48 am

Some years ago I was doing a course on Marketing linked to healthcare. We had lectures each week about evidence based medicine. Very interesting they were to. Most were about mainstream m,edicine but one story which sticks in my mind is the following story.

It was decided to do a formal trial to test the effectiveness of prayer. The trial would be carried out in accordance with established procedure for blind drug trials i.e. the control group and the active group would not be informed they were being prayed for.

I cannot remember the precise numbers of group sizes but they were quite large to ensure that any outcome could be deemed statistically significant. To cut a long story short the results were indisputable the group who were prayed for showed huge statistically significant improvements over those who were not.

This surprised almost everyone. Of course Lone Wolf would dismiss this as nonsense because he doesn't want to believe anything which challenges his prejudices.

The lectures were given by the Editor of Bandolier a publication for Doctors which summarises latest clinical trials and medical breakthroughs for busy GPs to encourage further research by them to keep them abreast of new developments. The Editor was as much surprised as anyone as he too was not a believer but he couldn't explain the outcome any other way.

Just a little food for thought.

by Lone Wolf Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:49 am

gerber wrote:
Michelina Comegna, 74, was struck by the 'miracle' during morning mass at a church in modern Pompei.
'I took communion and instantly felt a fire going from my feet up my legs and my whole body. At the same time, I was overcome by an intense scent of flowers', she said.

.......................

SOUNDS like she could have had a minor stroke, or maybe a 'TIA' ???

Wikipedia wrote:..................

In addition to the above CNS pathways, the brainstem gives rise to most of the twelve cranial nerves. A stroke affecting the brain stem and brain therefore can produce symptoms relating to deficits in these cranial nerves:

altered smell, taste, hearing, or vision (total or partial)
drooping of eyelid (ptosis) and weakness of ocular muscles
decreased reflexes: gag, swallow, pupil reactivity to light
decreased sensation and muscle weakness of the face
balance problems and nystagmus
altered breathing and heart rate
weakness in sternocleidomastoid muscle with inability to turn head to one side
weakness in tongue (inability to protrude and/or move from side to side)

READ more @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_attack

http://satyamfoundation.org/brain/index1.htm
http://www.stroke.org/site/DocServer/NSA_complete_guide.pdf
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/brain+attack

by Fred Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:56 am

Maybe she did clearly you have had a similar incident which makes you so loopy. I shall pray for you. lol!

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:
lovedust wrote:
Kundalini = Theoretical reservoir of energy which lives "coiled" at the base of a person's spine in Hindu mythology. It can supposedly be made to rise resulting in a fiery sensation up the spine and "miraculous" physical healing.

UNFORTUNATELY, the rest of the world still awaits those Yogi's and holy men producing their first genuine and proven miraculously cured customer...

Kundalini practitioners; ...

I've not doubt there are masses of fraudulent claims in this area, and who knows, maybe there's never been a genuine Kundalini healing... Having said all of that, there's no way any Kundalini healing claim could be proven - imho - if the scientific establishment is predisposed to disbelieve the existence of the phenomenon no matter what. Even if it were accepted by all a patient had recovered from a terminal illness against all odds, it would be dismissed as spontaneous remission.

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:28 pm

just awesome...God is good.. Smile

by Eilzel Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:40 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:just awesome...God is good..

Astonishing. When 1000s of people are wiped out by disease and disaster, millions of religious people; when most people with crippling disabilities pray their whole lives only never to recover- that is nothing to do with God- 'people have to die' 'it's a test' 'it's part of his plan' 'He doesn't intervene'.

You get the whiff of one alleged miracle, helping one single person; and without even questioning it claim it as a sign that 'God is good'. Unbelievable- with that kind of logic it's no wonder debating religion with you is like trying to mould custard Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:42 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:just awesome...God is good..

Astonishing. When 1000s of people are wiped out by disease and disaster, millions of religious people; when most people with crippling disabilities pray their whole lives only never to recover- that is nothing to do with God- 'people have to die' 'it's a test' 'it's part of his plan' 'He doesn't intervene'.

You get the whiff of one alleged miracle, helping one single person; and without even questioning it claim it as a sign that 'God is good'. Unbelievable- with that kind of logic it's no wonder debating religion with you is like trying to mould custard

it is in a way as i am not religious but you seem a little to dim to realise that... Smile

by Eilzel Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:48 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Astonishing. When 1000s of people are wiped out by disease and disaster, millions of religious people; when most people with crippling disabilities pray their whole lives only never to recover- that is nothing to do with God- 'people have to die' 'it's a test' 'it's part of his plan' 'He doesn't intervene'.

You get the whiff of one alleged miracle, helping one single person; and without even questioning it claim it as a sign that 'God is good'. Unbelievable- with that kind of logic it's no wonder debating religion with you is like trying to mould custard

it is in a way as i am not religious but you seem a little to dim to realise that...

Debating God or Christianity then, not just religion, debating anything to do with God, Christianity, religion, the supernatural, metaphysical, scientific; is an absolute waste of time who ignores massive loss of life and suffering and ignores it but sees one possible woman recovering as a sign God is good, as I said, unbelievable Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:52 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

it is in a way as i am not religious but you seem a little to dim to realise that...

Debating God or Christianity then, not just religion, debating anything to do with God, Christianity, religion, the supernatural, metaphysical, scientific; is an absolute waste of time who ignores massive loss of life and suffering and ignores it but sees one possible woman recovering as a sign God is good, as I said, unbelievable

why is it unbelievable...nothing else had changed for this woman and yet her paralysis left her, what else could it have been??

by Eilzel Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:56 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Debating God or Christianity then, not just religion, debating anything to do with God, Christianity, religion, the supernatural, metaphysical, scientific; is an absolute waste of time who ignores massive loss of life and suffering and ignores it but sees one possible woman recovering as a sign God is good, as I said, unbelievable

why is it unbelievable...nothing else had changed for this woman and yet her paralysis left her, what else could it have been??

1. You are accepting the story without question.
2. If she did recover, the only possible explanation is not 'God did it, it's a miracle'...
3. You accept God had a direct hand in this but refuse to acknowledge God's part in disease and disaster, that is the really unbelievable part...

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:27 pm

Les my dad had a bypass in 2004 and the drip sight got infected it wasn't MRSA they couldn't identify it, it was the most gross thing i have ever seen it was eating his skin away and was weeping absolutely vile it wasn't healing no matter how they tried to treat it . He ended up with this suction pad on the infection where a machine tried to clean it out and that didn't work either , one doctor was astonished said ' what the hell is it ?' . He went down surgery to have it cut away and had skin graft on it , that too started to get eaten away it was very scary and very worrying .
He and my mum went on a day trip which they already had booked before this thing started taking over his hand , and it was spreading down all his fingers too , anyway on this trip they were walking past a church and my dad said he wanted to just nip in , while in there he poured Holy water on the whole of his hand . It started to clear up almost instantly , within a few days it was really healing up . Now i believe that holy water cleared that unknown infection and my dad certainly believes it . I have no doubt that in this instance that was a miracle .

by gerber Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:19 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

Debating God or Christianity then, not just religion, debating anything to do with God, Christianity, religion, the supernatural, metaphysical, scientific; is an absolute waste of time who ignores massive loss of life and suffering and ignores it but sees one possible woman recovering as a sign God is good, as I said, unbelievable

why is it unbelievable...nothing else had changed for this woman and yet her paralysis left her, what else could it have been??

So why is the Boss not intervening with the Ebola virus..... ?

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:03 pm

gerber wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

why is it unbelievable...nothing else had changed for this woman and yet her paralysis left her, what else could it have been??

So why is the Boss not intervening with the Ebola virus..... ?

Yea, apparently it's 'free will' when he does nothing, but a 'miracle' if someone gets better. So, he'd save this woman and VOD's Dad, but is quite happy for all those people to die from the Ebola virus and have it spread the way it is, quite happy for people to be swept away in tsunamis etc etc etc.

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:17 pm

VOD(original) wrote:Les my dad had a bypass in 2004 and the drip sight got infected it wasn't MRSA they couldn't identify it, it was the most gross thing i have ever seen it was eating his skin away and was weeping absolutely vile it wasn't healing no matter how they tried to treat it . He ended up with this suction pad on the infection where a machine tried to clean it out and that didn't work either , one doctor was astonished said ' what the hell is it ?' . He went down surgery to have it cut away and had skin graft on it , that too started to get eaten away it was very scary and very worrying .
He and my mum went on a day trip which they already had booked before this thing started taking over his hand , and it was spreading down all his fingers too , anyway on this trip they were walking past a church and my dad said he wanted to just nip in , while in there he poured Holy water on the whole of his hand . It started to clear up almost instantly , within a few days it was really healing up . Now i believe that holy water cleared that unknown infection and my dad certainly believes it . I have no doubt that in this instance that was a miracle .

So, only "half" a miracle then..I mean IF your god had the power to initiate healing....why didnt he just heal it up...completely...there and then

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:26 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:
VOD(original) wrote:Les my dad had a bypass in 2004 and the drip sight got infected it wasn't MRSA they couldn't identify it, it was the most gross thing i have ever seen it was eating his skin away and was weeping absolutely vile it wasn't healing no matter how they tried to treat it . He ended up with this suction pad on the infection where a machine tried to clean it out and that didn't work either , one doctor was astonished said ' what the hell is it ?' . He went down surgery to have it cut away and had skin graft on it , that too started to get eaten away it was very scary and very worrying .
He and my mum went on a day trip which they already had booked before this thing started taking over his hand , and it was spreading down all his fingers too , anyway on this trip they were walking past a church and my dad said he wanted to just nip in , while in there he poured Holy water on the whole of his hand . It started to clear up almost instantly , within a few days it was really healing up . Now i believe that holy water cleared that unknown infection and my dad certainly believes it . I have no doubt that in this instance that was a miracle .

So, only "half" a miracle then..I mean IF your god had the power to initiate healing....why didnt he just heal it up...completely...there and then

lol even in the bible some took more than one go to heal and that was with Jesus.. Smile

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:58 pm

See what he can do with the Ebola virus then. Or will that be down to 'free will' Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:59 pm

so...not so "powerful" then?????

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:03 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:so...not so "powerful" then?????

perfectly powerful, vod's dad was healed and the same for the people in tthe bible, including lepers...

by Guest Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:19 pm

but it took multiple events...or time???

All powerful ???

by gerber Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:21 pm

Sassy wrote:See what he can do with the Ebola virus then. Or will that be down to 'free will'

Very interesting replies and answers............

Zilch so far........

Surprising, no

by Guest Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:24 pm

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:See what he can do with the Ebola virus then. Or will that be down to 'free will'

Very interesting replies and answers............

Zilch so far........

Surprising, no

That will be free will then lol

by gerber Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:32 pm

Sassy wrote:
gerber wrote:

Very interesting replies and answers............

Zilch so far........

Surprising, no

That will be free will then lol

Does that depend on much one contributes to the collection plate ?

by Guest Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:34 pm

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:

That will be free will then lol

Does that depend on much one contributes to the collection plate ?

You are a wicked woman lol

by Guest Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:46 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:
VOD(original) wrote:Les my dad had a bypass in 2004 and the drip sight got infected it wasn't MRSA they couldn't identify it, it was the most gross thing i have ever seen it was eating his skin away and was weeping absolutely vile it wasn't healing no matter how they tried to treat it . He ended up with this suction pad on the infection where a machine tried to clean it out and that didn't work either , one doctor was astonished said ' what the hell is it ?' . He went down surgery to have it cut away and had skin graft on it , that too started to get eaten away it was very scary and very worrying .
He and my mum went on a day trip which they already had booked before this thing started taking over his hand , and it was spreading down all his fingers too , anyway on this trip they were walking past a church and my dad said he wanted to just nip in , while in there he poured Holy water on the whole of his hand . It started to clear up almost instantly , within a few days it was really healing up . Now i believe that holy water cleared that unknown infection and my dad certainly believes it . I have no doubt that in this instance that was a miracle .

So, only "half" a miracle then..I mean IF your god had the power to initiate healing....why didnt he just heal it up...completely...there and then

You wouldn't doubt if you saw my dads hand . It was a miracle , even Jesus when he healed people in the bible it took an hour , my dad is a very sick man right now and i won't have him taken the piss out of . He probably doesn't have very long .

by Eilzel Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:48 pm

VOD(original) wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:

So, only "half" a miracle then..I mean IF your god had the power to initiate healing....why didnt he just heal it up...completely...there and then
You wouldn't doubt if you saw my dads hand . It was a miracle , even Jesus when he healed people in the bible it took an hour , my dad is a very sick man right now and i won't have him taken the piss out of . He probably doesn't have very long .

No one is taking the piss out of him Dibs we just doubt that a miracle actually took place.

by gerber Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:48 pm

Sassy wrote:
gerber wrote:

Does that depend on much one contributes to the collection plate ?

You are a wicked woman lol

I am going to report you for abuse, slander liable and non payment to the gerbs benevolent fund.

So a little cash now most useful.........

xx

by Guest Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:49 pm

VOD(original) wrote:
victorisnotamused wrote:

So, only "half" a miracle then..I mean IF your god had the power to initiate healing....why didnt he just heal it up...completely...there and then
You wouldn't doubt if you saw my dads hand . It was a miracle , even Jesus when he healed people in the bible it took an hour , my dad is a very sick man right now and i won't have him taken the piss out of . He probably doesn't have very long .

..nobody is taking the piss out of your Father VOD, that's never going to happen , but to be told this and that are God's miracles is patronising rubbish.

by Guest Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:51 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:but it took multiple events...or time???

All powerful ???

it took once with the holy water and a few days to clear. My dad is very sick with Parkinsons disease . God hasen't healed him but im not sure if my dad just wants to go sometimes people just want to die in the end .

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