Let's Talk About America

20th March 2014


Interesting facts - please discuss.

Racial make up of the United States:


By race:

White 72.4%
African American 12.6%
Asian 4.8%
American Indian and Alaska Native 0.9%
Native Hawaiian and Pacific Islander 0.2%
Other 6.2%
Multiracial (2 or more) 2.9%

I know. Shocking, isn't it? Most of these phenomena are happening in the South...most in Texas, actually.

Current Death Row Populations by Race
as of July 1, 2013


State Total Black White Latino Native Amer. Asian

Alabama 197 100 93 3 0 1
Arizona 125 15 79 26 3 2
Arkansas 38 24 14 0 0 0
California 733 264 256 176 12 25
Colorado 4 3 0 1 0 0
Connecticut 11 6 4 1 0 0
Delaware 18 11 4 3 0 0
Florida 412 152 222 35 1 2
Georgia 95 46 45 4 0 0
Idaho 13 0 13 0 0 0
Indiana 12 3 9 0 0 0
Kansas 10 4 6 0 0 0
Kentucky 34 5 29 0 0 0
Louisiana 88 58 26 3 0 1
Maryland 5 4 1 0 0 0
Mississippi 47 26 20 0 0 1
Missouri 48 21 27 0 0 0
Montana 2 0 2 0 0 0
Nebraska 11 2 4 5 0 0
Nevada 80 30 41 8 0 1
New Hampshire 1 1 0 0 0 0
New Mexico 2 0 2 0 0 0
North Carolina 160 83 64 4 8 1
Ohio 145 75 64 3 1 2
Oklahoma 57 23 27 3 4 0
Oregon* 37 4 28 3 1 0
Pennsylvania 197 111 67 17 0 2
South Carolina 50 28 21 1 0 0
South Dakota 3 0 3 0 0 0
Tennessee 81 36 40 1 2 2
Texas 292 116 86 86 0 4
Utah 9 1 5 2 1 0
Virginia 10 4 5 1 0 0
Washington 9 4 5 0 0 0
Wyoming 1 0 1 0 0 0
US Gov't 59 28 23 6 1 1
US Military 5 3 2 0 0 0

When people talk about racism, they usually talk about white racism about others, but when you look at real racism - that of violence by one against the other, the statistics show it is the other way around.

Why then isn't the push to stop blacks being racist against whites?

Please discuss.

BigAndy9 wrote:When people talk about racism, they usually talk about white racism about others, but when you look at real racism - that of violence by one against the other, the statistics show it is the other way around.

Why then isn't the push to stop blacks being racist against whites?

Please discuss.

Is it?
Where is the evidence they were all racist murders?


Using poor methodology again Andy, can you provide in each case if they were convicted of a racist murder?

BigAndy9 wrote:Current Death Row Populations by Race
as of July 1, 2013


State Total Black White Latino Native Amer. Asian

Alabama 197 100 93 3 0 1
Arizona 125 15 79 26 3 2
Arkansas 38 24 14 0 0 0
California 733 264 256 176 12 25
Colorado 4 3 0 1 0 0
Connecticut 11 6 4 1 0 0
Delaware 18 11 4 3 0 0
Florida 412 152 222 35 1 2
Georgia 95 46 45 4 0 0
Idaho 13 0 13 0 0 0
Indiana 12 3 9 0 0 0
Kansas 10 4 6 0 0 0
Kentucky 34 5 29 0 0 0
Louisiana 88 58 26 3 0 1
Maryland 5 4 1 0 0 0
Mississippi 47 26 20 0 0 1
Missouri 48 21 27 0 0 0
Montana 2 0 2 0 0 0
Nebraska 11 2 4 5 0 0
Nevada 80 30 41 8 0 1
New Hampshire 1 1 0 0 0 0
New Mexico 2 0 2 0 0 0
North Carolina 160 83 64 4 8 1
Ohio 145 75 64 3 1 2
Oklahoma 57 23 27 3 4 0
Oregon* 37 4 28 3 1 0
Pennsylvania 197 111 67 17 0 2
South Carolina 50 28 21 1 0 0
South Dakota 3 0 3 0 0 0
Tennessee 81 36 40 1 2 2
Texas 292 116 86 86 0 4
Utah 9 1 5 2 1 0
Virginia 10 4 5 1 0 0
Washington 9 4 5 0 0 0
Wyoming 1 0 1 0 0 0
US Gov't 59 28 23 6 1 1
US Military 5 3 2 0 0 0

These data are subject to a variety of different leads. For example, Texas is so low on the list because, indeed, it is ridding itself through doing the executions. California, on the other hand, has such a high population of death row, because it isn't executing these days--so the numbers build and build. In fact, I believe there may be a stay of all executions while a judge figures out the 8th Amendment implications. The US is very low on the list, because it has very little death sentencing in it's federal laws. Same with the US Military. Some states, like New Jersey, aren't even on the list because it does not have the death penalty.

And of course, andy, it looks like you are using whole numbers, not proportions. So, in a comparison, state populations are necessary to determine significance.

BigAndy9 wrote:When people talk about racism, they usually talk about white racism about others, but when you look at real racism - that of violence by one against the other, the statistics show it is the other way around.

Why then isn't the push to stop blacks being racist against whites?

Please discuss.

That's an oversimplification of racism. Even white racism.

In order for there to be racism, there must be racial animus. Didge is quite right about that.

But, use of racism in any but white on black racism, is questionable. It's really not racism without the protracted history of enslavement, abuse and segregation. That is the reasoning for the US Supreme Court in determining 'suspect classifications.' Numbers alone don't raise suspicions.

Sometimes it's just a disproportion in the numbers. Very often it is remedial measures, such as in education, enrollment, etc. Racism requires some demonstration of the racial animus. With African Americans, we have it. So, too, with Hispanics. It's in the history books. Not so, with whites.

BigAndy9 wrote:20th March 2014


Interesting facts - please discuss.

Crime is more commonly associated with social deprivation and lack of opportunity than the colour of someone's skin.

Irn Bru wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:20th March 2014
Interesting facts - please discuss.

Crime is more commonly associated with social deprivation and lack of opportunity than the colour of someone's skin.

Complete lefty waffle!


We are constantly told that we need immigrants as they are all highly skilled, well needed and hard working people, so why is it that areas with high immigrants are also the most 'deprived' with highest unemployment and crime?

You can't have it both ways.

Tommy, the thread is about America, not here.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:20th March 2014
Interesting facts - please discuss.

Crime is more commonly associated with social deprivation and lack of opportunity than the colour of someone's skin.

Complete lefty waffle!


We are constantly told that we need immigrants as they are all highly skilled, well needed and hard working people, so why is it that areas with high immigrants are also the most 'deprived' with highest unemployment and crime?

You can't have it both ways.

Are all the immigrants who commit crimes Black?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:
Crime is more commonly associated with social deprivation and lack of opportunity than the colour of someone's skin.

Complete lefty waffle!


We are constantly told that we need immigrants as they are all highly skilled, well needed and hard working people, so why is it that areas with high immigrants are also the most 'deprived' with highest unemployment and crime?

You can't have it both ways.

Cause anyone with a brain would not move to England          

I remember during the dark days of the Bush error, I got in contact with an old friend from Chicago who married a Canadian and emigrated to England; I asked her how she thought I'd like it. She didn't like it there very much herself and recommended that I not do it  ::D:: 

Racism is worst in England. They hate everybody - especially ginger heads.

Lurker wrote:Racism is worst in England. They hate everybody - especially ginger heads.

http://uk.eonline.com/news/523283/prince-harry-used-to-drunk-dial-chelsy-davy-william-mocked-ginger-brother-report


  

"I remember during the dark days of the Bush error"
Which particular 'error' are you talking about?
The list is many.
And complete rubbish about racism in England, we have people here from every country in the world and the best rights and protections for all.
What we don't like, however, is people abusing our good nature and 'taking the piss'!!!
Sadly we have lots of those types here now, thanks to labour mass immigration policy and open door to EU.

Tommy Monk wrote:"I remember during the dark days of the Bush error"
Which particular 'error' are you talking about?
The list is many.
And complete rubbish about racism in England, we have people here from every country in the world and the best rights and protections for all.
What we don't like, however, is people abusing our good nature and 'taking the piss'!!!
Sadly we have lots of those types here now, thanks to labour mass immigration policy and open door to EU.

the error of having him elected     

And nope you don't have many of any sort of immigrant by the standards of the USA or Australia or Saudi Arabia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population



Yep the UK is the same amount of Immigrants as LIBYA

Wow, just checked that link -- we have almost 20 percent of all the immigrants in the world?

We should MOW THEM ALL DOWN!!!!

 ::rambo:: ::rambo:: ::rambo:: ::rambo:: ::rambo:: 

Everything was perfect before those people showed up!  ::roglol:: ::roglol:: ::roglol:: 

BigAndy9 wrote:
When people talk about racism, they usually talk about white racism about others, but when you look at real racism - that of violence by one against the other, the statistics show it is the other way around.

Why then isn't the push to stop blacks being racist against whites?

Please discuss.

  

FUCK OFF, you racist scum !!!


 ::D::

Tommy Monk wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:
Crime is more commonly associated with social deprivation and lack of opportunity than the colour of someone's skin.

Complete lefty waffle!

We are constantly told that we need immigrants as they are all highly skilled, well needed and hard working people, so why is it that areas with high immigrants are also the most 'deprived' with highest unemployment and crime?

You can't have it both ways.

  

DUMBFUCK Fascist scum !!!

 :.3chuthluL/: 

Lurker wrote:

Racism is worst in England. They hate everybody - especially ginger heads.

  

AND let's not forget that some Englishmen ~ such as Drinky, Tommy Monk and Puerile ~ are so keen on increasing their potential racist targets, that they will even try to have the Scots, Irish, Yanks and Aussies declared as separate to their "Weiss Englische Race" !     

Tommy Monk wrote:
"I remember during the dark days of the Bush error"
Which particular 'error' are you talking about?
The list is many.
And complete rubbish about racism in England, we have people here from every country in the world and the best rights and protections for all.
What we don't like, however, is people abusing our good nature and 'taking the piss'!!!
Sadly we have lots of those types here now, thanks to labour mass immigration policy and open door to EU.

  

You DO talk a load of shite, Tommy...


And never once providing any actual evidence to support your juvenile tripe ~ go tell it to L'ilAndy, Shady, Drinky, "Stephen'", smelly' and Fuzzy' ~ no doubt they Will support your crazy brand of facsism..    

 

CHINA is the leading exponent of state-sanctioned executions ~ with just over half of the world's annual total...

Followed by Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia;
And the USA in fifth place..

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/politics/diplomacy/130411/china-state-sanctioned-executions-amnesty-hangings-decapitation-firing-squad

Lone Wolf wrote: 

CHINA is the leading exponent of state-sanctioned executions ~ with just over half of the world's annual total...

Followed by Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia;
And the USA in fifth place..

Shameful, I hope we continue to make progress on abolishing the death penalty in the U.S. and in the rest of the world.

BigAndy9 wrote:Current Death Row Populations by Race
as of July 1, 2013


State Total Black White Latino Native Amer. Asian

Alabama 197 100 93 3 0 1
Arizona 125 15 79 26 3 2
Arkansas 38 24 14 0 0 0
California 733 264 256 176 12 25
Colorado 4 3 0 1 0 0
Connecticut 11 6 4 1 0 0
Delaware 18 11 4 3 0 0
Florida 412 152 222 35 1 2
Georgia 95 46 45 4 0 0
Idaho 13 0 13 0 0 0
Indiana 12 3 9 0 0 0
Kansas 10 4 6 0 0 0
Kentucky 34 5 29 0 0 0
Louisiana 88 58 26 3 0 1
Maryland 5 4 1 0 0 0
Mississippi 47 26 20 0 0 1
Missouri 48 21 27 0 0 0
Montana 2 0 2 0 0 0
Nebraska 11 2 4 5 0 0
Nevada 80 30 41 8 0 1
New Hampshire 1 1 0 0 0 0
New Mexico 2 0 2 0 0 0
North Carolina 160 83 64 4 8 1
Ohio 145 75 64 3 1 2
Oklahoma 57 23 27 3 4 0
Oregon* 37 4 28 3 1 0
Pennsylvania 197 111 67 17 0 2
South Carolina 50 28 21 1 0 0
South Dakota 3 0 3 0 0 0
Tennessee 81 36 40 1 2 2
Texas 292 116 86 86 0 4
Utah 9 1 5 2 1 0
Virginia 10 4 5 1 0 0
Washington 9 4 5 0 0 0
Wyoming 1 0 1 0 0 0
US Gov't 59 28 23 6 1 1
US Military 5 3 2 0 0 0

Do you assume that there's no racism involved in putting people on death row in the first place? The U.S. justice system is still slanted by racism.

Errrm veya - did you make a slight error in your post?

United States 45,785,090 19.8 14.3
Russia 11,048,064 4.8 7.7
Germany 9,845,244 4.3 11.9
Saudi Arabia 9,060,433 3.9 31.4
United Arab Emirates 7,826,981 3.4 83.7
United Kingdom 7,824,131 3.4 12.4
France 7,439,086 3.2 11.6
Canada 7,284,069 3.1 20.7
Australia 6,468,640 2.8 27.7
Spain 6,466,605 2.8 13.8
Italy 5,721,457 2.5 9.4
India 5,338,486 2.3 0.4
Ukraine 5,151,378 2.2 11.4
Pakistan 4,080,766 1.8 2.2
Thailand 3,721,735 1.6 5.6
Kazakhstan 3,476,233 1.5 21.1
Jordan 2,925,780 1.3 40.2
Hong Kong 2,804,753 1.2 38.9
Iran 2,649,516 1.1 3.4
Malaysia 2,469,173 1.1 8.3
Ivory Coast 2,446,171 1.1 12.0
Japan 2,437,169 1.1 1.9
South Africa 2,399,238 1.0 4.6
Switzerland 2,335,059 1.0 28.9
Singapore 2,323,252 1.0 42.9
Israel 2,046,873 0.9 26.5
Kuwait 2,028,053 0.9 60.2
Netherlands 1,964,922 0.9 11.7
Argentina 1,885,678 0.8 4.6
Turkey 1,864,889 0.8 2.5
Qatar 1,600,955 0.7 73.8
South Korea 1,445,103 0.5 2.9
Bangladesh 1,396,514 0.6 0.9
Syria 1,394,227 0.6 6.4
Austria 1,333,807 0.6 15.7
Uzbekistan 1,266,278 0.6 4.4
Nigeria 1,233,592 0.5 0.7
Venezuela 1,171,331 0.5 3.9
Belgium 1,159,801 0.5 10.4
New Zealand 1,132,828 0.5 25.1
Sweden 1,130,025 0.7 15.9
Oman 1,112,032 0.5 30.6
Mexico 1,103,460 0.5 0.9
Belarus 1,085,396 0.5 11.6
Greece 988,245 0.4 8.9
Nepal 971,247 0.4 3.5
Kenya 955,452 0.4 2.2
Portugal 893,847 0.4 8.4
China 848,511 0.4 0.1
Croatia 756,980 0.3 17.6
Libya 755,974 0.3 12.2
Ireland 735,535 0.3 15.9
Bahrain 729,357 0.3 54.7
Ethiopia 718,241 0.3 0.8
Burkina Faso 696,983 0.3 4.1
Norway 694,508 0.3 13.8
Poland 663,755 0.3 0.9
South Sudan 629,577 0.3 5.6
Brazil 599,638 0.3 0.3
Denmark 556,825 0.3 9.9
Serbia 532,457 0.3 5.6
Uganda 531,401 0.3 1.4
Hungary 472,798 0.3 4.7
Rwanda 452,406 0.2 3.8
Democratic Republic of Congo 446,924 0.2 0.7
Sudan 446,707 0.2 1.2
Czech Republic 439,116 0.2 4.0
Republic of Congo 431,470 0.2 9.7
Costa Rica 419,572 0.2 8.7
Dominican Republic 402,506 0.2 3.9
Chile 398,251 0.2 2.2
Gabon 394,953 0.2 23.6
Moldova 391,508 0.2 11.2
Guinea 378,464 0.2 3.2
Zimbabwe 360,992 0.2 2.6
Ecuador 359,315 0.2 2.2


I recommend everybody actually follows the link to see the truth, not what veya wants you to see here!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign-born_population

Lone Wolf wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
"I remember during the dark days of the Bush error"
Which particular 'error' are you talking about?
The list is many.
And complete rubbish about racism in England, we have people here from every country in the world and the best rights and protections for all.
What we don't like, however, is people abusing our good nature and 'taking the piss'!!!
Sadly we have lots of those types here now, thanks to labour mass immigration policy and open door to EU.

  

You DO talk a load of shite, Tommy...


And never once providing any actual evidence to support your juvenile tripe ~ go tell it to L'ilAndy, Shady, Drinky, "Stephen'", smelly' and Fuzzy' ~ no doubt they Will support your crazy brand of facsism..    

Shut up freak!

Found any kiddies down in the woods yet?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
  

You DO talk a load of shite, Tommy...


And never once providing any actual evidence to support your juvenile tripe ~ go tell it to L'ilAndy, Shady, Drinky, "Stephen'", smelly' and Fuzzy' ~ no doubt they Will support your crazy brand of facsism..    

Shut up freak!

Found any kiddies down in the woods yet?

As much as i do not support Bee's approach here, your words were appalling Andy

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:


Shut up freak!

Found any kiddies down in the woods yet?

As much as i do not support Bee's approach here, your words were appalling Andy

I'm fed up with him, as is everybody else.

He's had enough warnings.

Now it's time to take Blair's approach.


edit - d'you like that? Multi-threading!!   

Two wrongs do not make a right and when he abuses it is wrong as I have stated many times, what you did say though is beyond contempt. I can understand when people throw abuse at each other but you are better than saying stuff like that Andy

Tommy Monk wrote:"I remember during the dark days of the Bush error"
Which particular 'error' are you talking about?
The list is many.
And complete rubbish about racism in England, we have people here from every country in the world and the best rights and protections for all.
What we don't like, however, is people abusing our good nature and 'taking the piss'!!!
Sadly we have lots of those types here now, thanks to labour mass immigration policy and open door to EU.

You don't have to of course but you didn't answer my earlier question which was...

Are all the immigrants who commit crimes Black?

And remember to take into account that we are talking about the USA here.

So tell me, do you think that most crime is down to social deprivation and lack of opportunity within certain sectors of society or is is simply because of the colour of someone's skin?

Irn Bru wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:"I remember during the dark days of the Bush error"
Which particular 'error' are you talking about?
The list is many.
And complete rubbish about racism in England, we have people here from every country in the world and the best rights and protections for all.
What we don't like, however, is people abusing our good nature and 'taking the piss'!!!
Sadly we have lots of those types here now, thanks to labour mass immigration policy and open door to EU.

You don't have to of course but you didn't answer my earlier question which was...

Are all the immigrants who commit crimes Black?

And remember to take into account that we are talking about the USA here.

So tell me, do you think that most crime is down to social deprivation and lack of opportunity within certain sectors of society or is is simply because of the colour of someone's skin?

Maybe it's down to what Bracca Barmy said - blacks are just lazy?

I see fleakeeper pops up with nothing but insults again.
America and Australia are completely based on immigration, Most of the population being immigrants or of immigrant decent. Now that's gone well for the indigenous people hasn't it!
UK has been flooded with immigrants over last 20 years.
We get hundreds of thousands every year. And constantly told that we are getting highly skilled, hard working and well needed people coming.
But take London for example, the areas with most crime and 'depravatinn' are those full of these immigrants.
I can't really speak for America.

Tommy Monk wrote:I see fleakeeper pops up with nothing but insults again.
America and Australia are completely based on immigration, Most of the population being immigrants or of immigrant decent. Now that's gone well for the indigenous people hasn't it!
UK has been flooded with immigrants over last 20 years.
We get hundreds of thousands every year. And constantly told that we are getting highly skilled, hard working and well needed people coming.
But take London for example, the areas with most crime and 'depravatinn' are those full of these immigrants.
I can't really speak for America.

That's true Tommy.

If the immigrants we are getting are skilled and much needed, why aren't their areas prim and proper? Why are their children stabbing each other to death?

Now, as I said before Tommy - you are quite right - I don't see American and Australia as great immigration successes - Mr Abo and Apache Indian are most upset about it, and ask Mr John Smith about immigration to England and he too is quite upset and worried that the English will go the same way as Mr Abo.

Irn Bru wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:"I remember during the dark days of the Bush error"
Which particular 'error' are you talking about?
The list is many.
And complete rubbish about racism in England, we have people here from every country in the world and the best rights and protections for all.
What we don't like, however, is people abusing our good nature and 'taking the piss'!!!
Sadly we have lots of those types here now, thanks to labour mass immigration policy and open door to EU.

You don't have to of course but you didn't answer my earlier question which was...

Are all the immigrants who commit crimes Black?
And remember to take into account that we are talking about the USA here.
So tell me, do you think that most crime is down to social deprivation and lack of opportunity within certain sectors of society or is is simply because of the colour of someone's skin?

We know blacks have a higher propensity towards crime as they are vastly over represented in prison population compared to UK population by a factor of about 7, with muslims/asains also being over represented by a factor of about 3. Leaving UK indigenous people being vastly. under represented in prison population compared to UK population numbers.

Tommy Monk wrote:I see fleakeeper pops up with nothing but insults again.
America and Australia are completely based on immigration, Most of the population being immigrants or of immigrant decent. Now that's gone well for the indigenous people hasn't it!
UK has been flooded with immigrants over last 20 years.
We get hundreds of thousands every year. And constantly told that we are getting highly skilled, hard working and well needed people coming.
But take London for example, the areas with most crime and 'depravatinn' are those full of these immigrants.
I can't really speak for America.

Another fallacy association argument which again now also because some areas of London have high crimes rates attributes this to immigrants, even though the foreign born population of criminals in prison is 13%, population of foreign born people is 13%. Also forgets to take into account what are the factors behind crime, but then Matti knows little about psychology and goes only off prejudice.

Yes the indigenous populations fared poorly again off prejudice , which further highlights the problem with those who are prejudice.


The fact is you are clearly selfish, as stated before we teach children to share, yet as adults some thing just being born onto a piece of land means they cannot deny sharing a land which that person does not own. That is the reality of the argument of those who are very prejudice, it is all balderdash claims they make and fallacy associations. There is no science behind any ethnic group being more criminal than another because we are all biologically the same, thus many social factors play a part in where crime is higher, not ethnicity

I see what you are saying didge - what about the children or grandchildren of foreigners?

Those with "dodgy" names   

BigAndy9 wrote:I see what you are saying didge - what about the children or grandchildren of foreigners?

Those with "dodgy" names    

What did you not understand about being biologically the same and that it is social factors that play a part in higher crime levels?

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:I see what you are saying didge - what about the children or grandchildren of foreigners?

Those with "dodgy" names    

What did you not understand about being biologically the same and that it is social factors that play a part in higher crime levels?

Errrm... right?

But Tommy addressed that - the immigrants - who Britain so desperately needed in the 50s/60s and then the 90s/2000s - surely they came here, worked hard, did well?

So what social factors do you mean - are they earning too much and having too much of a good life?

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:


What did you not understand about being biologically the same and that it is social factors that play a part in higher crime levels?

Errrm... right?

But Tommy addressed that - the immigrants - who Britain so desperately needed in the 50s/60s and then the 90s/2000s - surely they came here, worked hard, did well?

So what social factors do you mean - are they earning too much and having too much of a good life?

Tommy addressed nothing in fact he made assumptions, not facts.


http://www.udel.edu/chem/C465/senior/fall00/GeneticTesting/enviro.htm

http://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector/drivers-of-crime/publications-and-background-information/documents/spb-social-risk-factors

Yes, you said social factors determine crime etc.


So are you saying children and adults who work hard turn to crime?

BigAndy9 wrote:Yes, you said social factors determine crime etc.


So are you saying children and adults who work hard turn to crime?

Did I say that?

Anyone can turn to crime, it again depends on certain factors that can play a part, it may help if you actually read Andy, as it saves time having to explain

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Yes, you said social factors determine crime etc.


So are you saying children and adults who work hard turn to crime?

Did I say that?

Anyone can turn to crime, it again depends on certain factors that can play a part, it may help if you actually read Andy, as it saves time having to explain

Well unless you actually say what you think is the problem and show us some evidence, the white British population will carry on believing what we see with our own eyes every single day of the week.

If you have something we're missing, share it!

Blacks are over represented in prison compared to UK population by a factor of 7.
Muslim/asian are over represented by a factor of about 3.
Facts.


Would be interesting to see prison numbers in America by race/ethnicity compared to national numbers.


I suspect the findings would be very similar.....

Incarceration Trends in America

•From 1980 to 2008, the number of people incarcerated in America quadrupled-from roughly 500,000 to 2.3 million people
•Today, the US is 5% of the World population and has 25% of world prisoners.
•Combining the number of people in prison and jail with those under parole or probation supervision, 1 in ever y 31 adults, or 3.2 percent of the population is under some form of correctional control

Racial Disparities in Incarceration

•African Americans now constitute nearly 1 million of the total 2.3 million incarcerated population
•African Americans are incarcerated at nearly six times the rate of whites
•Together, African American and Hispanics comprised 58% of all prisoners in 2008, even though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately one quarter of the US population
•According to Unlocking America, if African American and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates of whites, today's prison and jail populations would decline by approximately 50%
•One in six black men had been incarcerated as of 2001. If current trends continue, one in three black males born today can expect to spend time in prison during his lifetime
•1 in 100 African American women are in prison
•Nationwide, African-Americans represent 26% of juvenile arrests, 44% of youth who are detained, 46% of the youth who are judicially waived to criminal court, and 58% of the youth admitted to state prisons (Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).


http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

It can't be the racist police - the police in America are over-represented by ethnics and blacks.

Tommy Monk wrote:Blacks are over represented in prison compared to UK population by a factor of 7.
Muslim/asian are over represented by a factor of about 3.
Facts.


Would be interesting to see prison numbers in America by race/ethnicity compared to national numbers.


I suspect the findings would be very similar.....

What does that prove?

Zero, your poor methodology is based on a set period of time, in one country and negating all social factors that have played parts in them committing crimes.

Again your prejudices views are flawed on every level