Fred Phelps, Westboro Baptist Church Founder, Is Dead (Updated)

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Fred Phelps, the founder of the highly controversial Westboro Baptist Church, which is known for protesting high-profile funerals with signs that read "God Hates Fags," is said to be dying at a hospice center in Kansas.

The news comes via Nate Phelps, one of Fred's estranged children, who wrote this in a Facebook post Saturday night.

I've learned that my father, Fred Phelps, Sr., pastor of the "God Hates Fags" Westboro Baptist Church, was ex-communicated from the "church" back in August of 2013. He is now on the edge of death at Midland Hospice house in Topeka, Kansas.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. Terribly ironic that his devotion to his god ends this way. Destroyed by the monster he made.

I feel sad for all the hurt he's caused so many. I feel sad for those who will lose the grandfather and father they loved. And I'm bitterly angry that my family is blocking the family members who left from seeing him, and saying their good-byes.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/16/fred-phelps-dying-death-westboro-baptist_n_4974584.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

PRAISE ALLAH!

smelly_bandit wrote:So now socialism is a RW philosophy

Guess that means labour are RW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_socialism

Sassy wrote:What a load of bollocks.

Well considering you all remember the event but cannot seem to agree on what was said even though you "have evidence"

I would agree that your accusations are indeed bollocks

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:What a load of bollocks.

Well considering you all remember the event but cannot seem to agree on what was said even though you "have evidence"

I would agree that your accusations are indeed bollocks

No I agree with Lovedust to what you said, in fact your views on Hitler have changed because a few years back you never argued that the Nazi's were left wing in fact it shows again why you are a sheep unable to think for yourself.

The fact you took glee out of children dying because they were left wing speaks volumes about your hate.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Well considering you all remember the event but cannot seem to agree on what was said even though you "have evidence"

I would agree that your accusations are indeed bollocks

No I agree with Lovedust to what you said, in fact your views on Hitler have changed because a few years back you never argued that the Nazi's were left wing in fact it shows again why you are a sheep unable to think for yourself.

The fact you took glee out of children dying because they were left wing speaks volumes about your hate.

  

Yes yes I'm full of hate racism and bigotry

 ://?roflmao?/: 

I agree, in fact as a human being, you have very little to commend you!

Sassy wrote:I agree

You agree with me??

We will make a righty out of you yet

I agree you are full of hate racism and bigotry and a crap human being.

Sassy wrote:I agree you are full of hate racism and bigotry and a crap human being.

That's how it starts

One agreement turns into two and two into full blown righty

It's a three step program, and you've just taken your first step by agreeing with a righty

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:



No I agree with Lovedust to what you said, in fact your views on Hitler have changed because a few years back you never argued that the Nazi's were left wing in fact it shows again why you are a sheep unable to think for yourself.

The fact you took glee out of children dying because they were left wing speaks volumes about your hate.

  

Yes yes I'm full of hate racism and bigotry

 ://?roflmao?/: 

Racism


the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.



You believe that black people are inferior, thus you are racist, by your own beliefs, which is funny that you deny it

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:I agree you are full of hate racism and bigotry and a crap human being.

That's how it starts

One agreement turns into two and two into full blown righty

It's a three step program, and you've just taken your first step by agreeing with a righty

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

Wrong way round fella, I got you to agree you are a crap human being.  :::grouch:: 

the title of this thread is now wrong....

He aint "on the edge of death" any more.....he fell off it... :::grouch:: 

    

He should be in hell if there was one, but he created his own here instead.

smelly_bandit wrote:

lovedust wrote:

That's odd, because Phildidge and I both witnessed you saying exactly that. Irn Bru and Sassy also posted in the thread in question... Maybe they remember it too?

Well what I remember from that period was unrivalled mass hysteria and a baying mob shrieking incoherently

So it's entirely possible that during the collective emotional meltdown when you saw me not immediately rolling around shitting and pissing myself as I clawed my eyes out during your "two minutes of hate",you automatically assumed I was in support

Or being stupid, you were unable to understand the difference between me "supporting" what breivik did and trying to discuss what he did and why he did it

Assumption wasn't really necessary given we watched you dismiss those poor kids' wasted lives with the words "Like Hitler, but leftwing".

Your justification is....... ?

Changed the headline to reflect his death. I found an article that shed some more light on his excommunication:

Pastor Fred Waldron Phelps Sr. was excommunicated from the Westboro Baptist Church after advocating a kinder approach between church members.

The excommunication occurred after the formation of a board of male elders in the church. The board had defeated Shirley Phelps-Roper, the church’s longtime spokeswoman, in a power struggle, and Fred Phelps Sr. called for kinder treatment of fellow church members.

The board then ejected Fred Phelps Sr., who founded the church in the 1950s.

The power struggle and excommunication was revealed by Nate Phelps, a son of Fred Phelps Sr. who broke away from the church 37 years ago.

The elders had a big impact on Fred Phelps Sr., Nate Phelps said.

“They took the one thing that meant everything to the man,” Nate Phelps said, referring to Fred Phelps Sr.'s tie to the church. “That old man and his reason to exist have gone away.”

On Sunday, church spokesman Steve Drain refused to talk about the excommunication of Fred Phelps Sr.

"We don't discuss our internal church dealings with anybody," he said.

Westboro Baptist Church, an independent fundamentalist church, is best known for its controversial anti-gay picketing and picketing of funerals, particularly funerals of American troops.

In the past, decisions in the church were made by votes of the members, but now the elders issue the decisions, Nate Phelps said.

http://m.cjonline.com/news/2014-03-17/elders-excommunicate-phelps-after-power-struggle-call-kindness-within-church

Well, perhaps the excommunication put him in his own kind of hell?

Sassy wrote:Well, perhaps the excommunication put him in his own kind of hell?

The Westboro Baptist Church has denied reports that they had excommunicated their founder Fred Phelps, whose death was announced earlier today.

The ‘God Hates Fags’ church took to their blog to deny an allegation from the pastor’s estranged son Nathan that Phelps Sr was excommunicated last August, after power struggles within the church.

They wrote: “Listen carefully; there are no power struggles in the Westboro Baptist Church, and there is no human intercessor – we serve no man, and no hierarchy, only the Lord Jesus Christ. No red shoes, no goofy hat, and no white smoke for us; thank you very much.”

“Remember that the Lord Jesus Christ warned us that a man’s foes will be they of his own household: So again, there is nothing surprising about these shenanigans, spurred on by faithless, ax-grinding, God-hating deserters of the cross, and it amounts to nothing but vain, empty, hope.”

Speaking of the death of Phelps Sr, the church’s most prominent member, they said he “preached a plain faithful doctrine to an ever darkening world”, but said “[God] will dispose of each of us at his pleasure”.

In the long blog post, the church also condemned the media’s “unprecedented, hypocritical, vitriolic explosion of words” over the coverage of Phelps’ demise.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/20/god-hates-fags-church-denies-excommunicating-founder-fred-phelps-death/


....The plot thickens.   

smelly_bandit wrote:

lovedust wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

i doubt it since i consider hitler to be LW

That's odd, because Phildidge and I both witnessed you saying exactly that. Irn Bru and Sassy also posted in the thread in question... Maybe they remember it too?

Well what I remember from that period was unrivalled mass hysteria and a baying mob shrieking incoherently

So it's entirely possible that during the collective emotional meltdown  when you saw me not immediately rolling around shitting and pissing myself as I clawed my eyes out during your "two minutes of hate",you automatically assumed I was in support

Or being stupid, you were unable to understand the difference between me "supporting" what breivik did and trying to discuss what he did and why he did it

From what I remember from the period was that you couldn't bring yourself to condemn Breivik for murdering all these children only saying that you could understand why he did it.

Is that about right?

Catman wrote:

Sassy wrote:Well, perhaps the excommunication put him in his own kind of hell?

The Westboro Baptist Church has denied reports that they had excommunicated their founder Fred Phelps, whose death was announced earlier today.

The ‘God Hates Fags’ church took to their blog to deny an allegation from the pastor’s estranged son Nathan that Phelps Sr was excommunicated last August, after power struggles within the church.

They wrote: “Listen carefully; there are no power struggles in the Westboro Baptist Church, and there is no human intercessor – we serve no man, and no hierarchy, only the Lord Jesus Christ. No red shoes, no goofy hat, and no white smoke for us; thank you very much.”

“Remember that the Lord Jesus Christ warned us that a man’s foes will be they of his own household: So again, there is nothing surprising about these shenanigans, spurred on by faithless, ax-grinding, God-hating deserters of the cross, and it amounts to nothing but vain, empty, hope.”

Speaking of the death of Phelps Sr, the church’s most prominent member, they said he “preached a plain faithful doctrine to an ever darkening world”, but said “[God] will dispose of each of us at his pleasure”.

In the long blog post, the church also condemned the media’s “unprecedented, hypocritical, vitriolic explosion of words” over the coverage of Phelps’ demise.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/20/god-hates-fags-church-denies-excommunicating-founder-fred-phelps-death/


....The plot thickens.   

Very interesting! I suppose they don't want people thinking they've become even more hateful than he was ...

they seem very strong in their faith about scripture but they do not show the love of Christ by their words of actions. Jesus would never speak the words they are speaking , they also say it is not their job to help people get saved , they are wrong Jesus want's Christians his followers to show a good example of God's love not picket dead solders funerals and rant on how good it is that they have died , Jesus showed us the ultimate sacrifice and these people are throwing all that back him .
If they really want to live by the bible then those big mouthed women who speak only hate and have bad attitudes , then they should be silent , should not preach at all because the bible speaks against women preaching . They should not be wearing trousers which they do as the bible says men should not dress as women and women should not dress as men. Yeah i know this sound silly and clothing shouldn't make a difference to someone's faith ,but they think they are the chosen ones of God and everyone else are doomed . They are preaching a false gospel and there is a scripture for this .

Galatians 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

CNN are reporting that Fred Phelps has died i hope he made peace with God and repented

well i just got the full update on this thread as it has added more comments and the title changed which Ben said he had done but why does the site take a long time to update comments on threads this isn't the first time it has happened ?

smelly_bandit wrote:

lovedust wrote:
Did you not say those kids breivik massacred were "like Hitler, but leftwing" smells?

i doubt it since i consider hitler to be LW

  

THE fact that those brain-dead idiots like smelly', L'ilAndy, Drinky, Puerile and Tommy Monk, keep on referring to a confirmed Right Wing sociopathic loon as a "Left Winger"/"Socialist"/"liberal" just goes to show how far to the extreme right on the political spectrum this forum's pet ultra_fascists have opted to locate themselves !!!    ::resmahauth::

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Catman wrote:


The Westboro Baptist Church has denied reports that they had excommunicated their founder Fred Phelps, whose death was announced earlier today.

The ‘God Hates Fags’ church took to their blog to deny an allegation from the pastor’s estranged son Nathan that Phelps Sr was excommunicated last August, after power struggles within the church.

They wrote: “Listen carefully; there are no power struggles in the Westboro Baptist Church, and there is no human intercessor – we serve no man, and no hierarchy, only the Lord Jesus Christ. No red shoes, no goofy hat, and no white smoke for us; thank you very much.”

“Remember that the Lord Jesus Christ warned us that a man’s foes will be they of his own household: So again, there is nothing surprising about these shenanigans, spurred on by faithless, ax-grinding, God-hating deserters of the cross, and it amounts to nothing but vain, empty, hope.”

Speaking of the death of Phelps Sr, the church’s most prominent member, they said he “preached a plain faithful doctrine to an ever darkening world”, but said “[God] will dispose of each of us at his pleasure”.

In the long blog post, the church also condemned the media’s “unprecedented, hypocritical, vitriolic explosion of words” over the coverage of Phelps’ demise.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/20/god-hates-fags-church-denies-excommunicating-founder-fred-phelps-death/


....The plot thickens.   

Very interesting! I suppose they don't want people thinking they've become even more hateful than he was ...

I'm inclined to believe the son over the rambling denial.

Don't know about anything else going on in this thread, but the devil and Fred will be in cohorts tonight.

Irn Bru wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Well what I remember from that period was unrivalled mass hysteria and a baying mob shrieking incoherently

So it's entirely possible that during the collective emotional meltdown  when you saw me not immediately rolling around shitting and pissing myself as I clawed my eyes out during your "two minutes of hate",you automatically assumed I was in support

Or being stupid, you were unable to understand the difference between me "supporting" what breivik did and trying to discuss what he did and why he did it

From what I remember from the period was that you couldn't bring yourself to condemn Breivik for murdering all these children only saying that you could understand why he did it.

Is that about right?

i suppose when you say "not condemning him" you mean i wasn't rolling around tearing at my eyes, frothing at the mouth and shrieking in incoherent mindless rage??

i did condemn him in more rational and sane manner by acknowledging his crime AS a crime

you will have to forgive me the fact that i am more in control of my sanity and my emotions than you are and don't freak out every time someone commits mass murder

and yes i could understand his thought process - thats because i THOUGHT about it

why didn't you?? oh yes because you rarely think about things

That the same emotional control you display when a Muslim kills someone and you call for Muslims to be wiped out?  ::D:: 

smelly_bandit wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Well what I remember from that period was unrivalled mass hysteria and a baying mob shrieking incoherently

So it's entirely possible that during the collective emotional meltdown  when you saw me not immediately rolling around shitting and pissing myself as I clawed my eyes out during your "two minutes of hate",you automatically assumed I was in support

Or being stupid, you were unable to understand the difference between me "supporting" what breivik did and trying to discuss what he did and why he did it

From what I remember from the period was that you couldn't bring yourself to condemn Breivik for murdering all these children only saying that you could understand why he did it.

Is that about right?

i suppose when you say "not condemning him" you mean i wasn't rolling around tearing at my eyes, frothing at the mouth and shrieking in incoherent mindless rage??

i did condemn him in more rational and sane manner by acknowledging his crime AS a crime    

you will have to forgive me the fact that i am more in control of my sanity and my emotions than you are and don't freak out every time someone commits mass murder  

and yes i could understand his thought process - thats because i THOUGHT about it

why didn't you?? oh yes because you rarely think about things

Calm down laddie and no need to freak out about it. I'm just giving my recollection of what I thought your views were at the time. The bulk of your post is nothing other than made up nonsense and a bit of a rant really.

My recollection is not that far off the mark then.

Cheers.

.

.

Irn Bru wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

i suppose when you say "not condemning him" you mean i wasn't rolling around tearing at my eyes, frothing at the mouth and shrieking in incoherent mindless rage??

i did condemn him in more rational and sane manner by acknowledging his crime AS a crime    

you will have to forgive me the fact that i am more in control of my sanity and my emotions than you are and don't freak out every time someone commits mass murder  

and yes i could understand his thought process - thats because i THOUGHT about it

why didn't you?? oh yes because you rarely think about things

Calm down laddie and no need to freak out about it. I'm just giving my recollection of what I thought your views were at the time. The bulk of your post is nothing other than made up nonsense and a bit of a rant really.

My recollection is not that far off the mark then.

Cheers.

freaking out and ranting is what you and the rest of the lefty mclunatic clan were doing at the time so much so in fact that not a single one of you can remember exactly what was said

every single on of you has a different version

off the mark doesn't quiet cover it

eddie wrote:Don't know about anything else going on in this thread, but the devil and Fred will be in cohorts tonight.

unless he repented on his death bed and asked for forgiveness , if he did then he is in heaven , that's the grace of God everyone no matter how bad they are gets a chance to repent ,but only if he/they/whoever mean it sincerely

VOD(original) wrote:

eddie wrote:Don't know about anything else going on in this thread, but the devil and Fred will be in cohorts tonight.

unless he repented on his death bed and asked for forgiveness , if he did then he is in heaven , that's the grace of God everyone no matter how bad they are gets a chance to repent ,but only if he/they/whoever mean it sincerely

Ah right, so when your hubby is about to pop off he thinks all he has to do is say sorry and all is well?

NemsAgain wrote:

VOD(original) wrote:

unless he repented on his death bed and asked for forgiveness , if he did then he is in heaven , that's the grace of God everyone no matter how bad they are gets a chance to repent ,but only if he/they/whoever mean it sincerely

Ah right, so when your hubby is about to pop off he thinks all he has to do is say sorry and all is well?  

Are you the horse in your avatar?   

Catman wrote:

NemsAgain wrote:

Ah right, so when your hubby is about to pop off he thinks all he has to do is say sorry and all is well?  

Are you the horse in your avatar?   

That horse was called Fury, he was the horse that played Black Beauty  ::D:: 

NemsAgain wrote:

Catman wrote:

Are you the horse in your avatar?   

That horse was called Fury, he was the horse that played Black Beauty  ::D:: 

How extremely interesting   

NemsAgain wrote:

VOD(original) wrote:

unless he repented on his death bed and asked for forgiveness , if he did then he is in heaven , that's the grace of God everyone no matter how bad they are gets a chance to repent ,but only if he/they/whoever mean it sincerely

Ah right, so when your hubby is about to pop off he thinks all he has to do is say sorry and all is well?  

my hubby has repented he has his salvation and eternal life, just because Christians sin doesn't mean they lose their salvation , once Jesus promises eternal life he means it is eternal and it can never be taken away .
I know it is hard to understand because people who are not believers have the idea that God expects perfection in us ,but only one person is perfect and that is Jesus . Jesus said the only way to the Father is through me , if you believe in me you will have eternal life and nothing can ever snatch you out of my hand nothing .

I don't believe Fred Phelps was truly saved in the first place but maybe he was and maybe because he strongly believed what he was doing was right , i don't think he was right at all i think he was appauling but if he accepted Jesus as his saviour then he is saved for eternity , eternity means forever .

Not sure why you mentioned my hubby but i am guessing it is because he has a strong view of homosexuality and makes remarks about it , but my hubby has apologized and that apology was accepted , besides that would never cause my husband to be unsaved lol

Love thy enemy?

Today OK....But not Nemsabitchagain!   

Catman wrote:Love thy enemy?

Today OK....But not Nemsabitchagain!   

Where did this come from Phil, out of order   

feelthelove wrote:

Catman wrote:Love thy enemy?

Today OK....But not Nemsabitchagain!   

Where did this come from Phil, out of order   

You obviously are unaware of the previous postings between the two of us.

I can't stand her tbf, and proud!

Catman wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Where did this come from Phil, out of order   

You obviously are unaware of the previous postings between the two of us.

I can't stand her tbf, and proud!

We all have people we don't get along with both here and offline.  There is no need to be abusive though, just ignore each other Nems wasn't even here when you posted that.  I just can't see the point of personally abusive posts  

feelthelove wrote:

Catman wrote:

You obviously are unaware of the previous postings between the two of us.

I can't stand her tbf, and proud!

We all have people we don't get along with both here and offline.  There is no need to be abusive though, just ignore each other Nems wasn't even here when you posted that.  I just can't see the point of personally abusive posts  

Speak to nemsabitchagain about abusive posts, but i would readily admit, to being a bit of an antagonist today...The worm will turn on occasions  ::D::

Catman wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

We all have people we don't get along with both here and offline.  There is no need to be abusive though, just ignore each other Nems wasn't even here when you posted that.  I just can't see the point of personally abusive posts  

Speak to nemsabitchagain about abusive posts, but i would readily admit, to being a bit of an antagonist today...The worm will turn on occasions  ::D::

Nems isn't even here Phil, she deleted her account because of the way you have posted to her.  We all have our problems but there is no need for all this crap.  I don't understand what satisfaction people get out of hurting each other  

feelthelove wrote:

Catman wrote:

Speak to nemsabitchagain about abusive posts, but i would readily admit, to being a bit of an antagonist today...The worm will turn on occasions  ::D::

Nems isn't even here Phil, she deleted her account because of the way you have posted to her.  We all have our problems but there is no need for all this crap.  I don't understand what satisfaction people get out of hurting each other  

Try telling that to Bee.  

Stephenmarra wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

Nems isn't even here Phil, she deleted her account because of the way you have posted to her.  We all have our problems but there is no need for all this crap.  I don't understand what satisfaction people get out of hurting each other  

Try telling that to Bee.  

Now ain't that the truth!

Hey, give it a rest!!! It doesn't matter what any Internet poster says about anybody else. If you aren't talking face to face where you can punch, shoot or stab them, then dammit forget they exist. They aren't any more important than a gnat's fart. Get off the Internet and relate to real people that are important. F*ck Internet friends. They don't exist until you meet them face to face. Stop letting their troll-like behavior get to you!

Lurker wrote:Hey, give it a rest!!! It doesn't matter what any Internet poster says about anybody else. If you aren't talking face to face where you can punch, shoot or stab them, then dammit forget they exist. They aren't any more important than a gnat's fart. Get off the Internet and relate to real people that are important. F*ck Internet friends. They don't exist until you meet them face to face. Stop letting their troll-like behavior get to you!

Hear, hear!  ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: 

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Lurker wrote:Hey, give it a rest!!! It doesn't matter what any Internet poster says about anybody else. If you aren't talking face to face where you can punch, shoot or stab them, then dammit forget they exist. They aren't any more important than a gnat's fart. Get off the Internet and relate to real people that are important. F*ck Internet friends. They don't exist until you meet them face to face. Stop letting their troll-like behavior get to you!

Hear, hear!  ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: ::alahoo:: 

x

PS - I do exist though x

smelly_bandit wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Calm down laddie and no need to freak out about it. I'm just giving my recollection of what I thought your views were at the time. The bulk of your post is nothing other than made up nonsense and a bit of a rant really.

My recollection is not that far off the mark then.

Cheers.

freaking out and ranting is what you and the rest of the lefty mclunatic clan were doing at the time so much so in fact that not a single one of you can remember exactly what was said

every single on of you has a different version

off the mark doesn't quiet cover it

You ain't fooling anyone sonny

smelly_bandit wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

i suppose when you say "not condemning him" you mean i wasn't rolling around tearing at my eyes, frothing at the mouth and shrieking in incoherent mindless rage??

i did condemn him in more rational and sane manner by acknowledging his crime AS a crime    

you will have to forgive me the fact that i am more in control of my sanity and my emotions than you are and don't freak out every time someone commits mass murder  

and yes i could understand his thought process - thats because i THOUGHT about it

why didn't you?? oh yes because you rarely think about things

Calm down laddie and no need to freak out about it. I'm just giving my recollection of what I thought your views were at the time. The bulk of your post is nothing other than made up nonsense and a bit of a rant really.

My recollection is not that far off the mark then.

Cheers.

freaking out and ranting is what you and the rest of the lefty mclunatic clan were doing at the time so much so in fact that not a single one of you can remember exactly what was said

every single on of you has a different version

off the mark doesn't quiet cover it

No need to remember what you said now because you have just reminded me that you acknowledged that Breivik,the mass murderer of innocent young children, committed a heinous crime but you understood why he committed it.

So I was not that far off the mark then.......correct?