Al-Qaeda Martyrs Glorified In English Schools

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:18 pm

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9th March 2014

Do our government's know about this? If not - why the bloody hell not??!!

A school which was dubbed a 'Trojan horse' for jihad by Muslim extremists in a leaked document has been holding assemblies endorsing one of the most radical Muslim clerics in recent history.

Park View School in Birmingham, an 'outstanding' school which has been a national flagship school for the state system has been the centre of an alleged extremist plot to promote positive views on jihad.

A senior teacher at the academy, which also features almost 100 per cent Muslim students, has repeatedly endorsed radical terrorist icon Anwar al-Awlaki, one of the most important Al-Qaeda recruiters who was killed in a drone strike in 2011.

Thanks to the internet, Awlaki, who was in contact with the perpetrators of three major terrorism attacks, including the September 11 attacks, has influenced many potential terrorists even after his death, with supporters using DVDs of his sermons.

Six terrorists who were convicted last year in Birmingham were directly influenced by the teachings of Awlaki.

The teacher who has been promoting him still remains at a senior position in the school, and according to former staff, uses the schools facilities and technical staff to copy DVDs of Osama bin Laden.

According to a report in The Telegraph, the teacher allegedly used the term 'terrorist' when naming his mobile phone Bluetooth, and described non-muslims as 'kuffar' in assemblies, an insulting term.

In addition, the school organised an 'extended Islamic assembly' for older pupils with an extremist Muslim Sheikh.

In the assembly, Sheikh Shady al-Suleiman called for 'God to destroy the enemies of Islam' and 'give victory to all Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya'.

He also he called for 'victory to all the Mujahideen all over the world' and asked God to 'prepare us for the jihad'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576961/Birmingham-school-dubbed-Trojan-Horse-Islamist-radicals-holds-assemblies-promoting-notorious-Al-Qaeda-recruitment-agent.html#ixzz2vViG9F4t

by eddie Tue Mar 11, 2014 7:39 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Tess. wrote:

This "all the rest" :-

".... On November 28 last year, The Telegraph has learnt, Park View organised an “extended Islamic assembly” for its Year 10 and 11 pupils with Sheikh Shady al-Suleiman, an extremist preacher who has called on God to “destroy the enemies of Islam”. Al-Suleiman has also asked God to “give victory to the Muslims in Afghanistan and Chechnya,” to “give victory to all the Mujahideen all over the world” and to “prepare us for the jihad”.

Another teacher at the sister primary school controlled by Park View, Razwan Faraz, has defended his brother, Ahmed, a man dubbed the “terrorists’ favourite bookseller” whose Birmingham shop, now closed by police, distributed extremist literature to many involved in terror plots, including one of the 7/7 bombers. ..."

We don't know if any of that is actually true, though. The paper is printing allegations. Do they have a recording of the event? Frankly I would need a lot more than hearsay to convince me that some school threw a "Jihad Day" event ...

I do sometimes wonder how much evidence is actually needed before we believe something nowadays????

Do we have a list, that we tick off, before we will say "Ok, that's true"
Is the list different for everyone?

Are papers ever really 100% wrong most of the time, about the big stuff?

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:45 am

To be honest though Eddie this all stems from one Letter and then in hindsight after papers like the Telegraph then trying to make the letter fit by claiming other accusations.

No doubt this needs fully investigating, but ask yourself, you actually stands to gain most out of this, as that is what I really ask myself and is also important to understanding why such a letter could have been circulated

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:47 am

The accusations have been going on for years didge.

Even I remember a few over the years.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:49 am

eddie wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

We don't know if any of that is actually true, though. The paper is printing allegations. Do they have a recording of the event? Frankly I would need a lot more than hearsay to convince me that some school threw a "Jihad Day" event ...

I do sometimes wonder how much evidence is actually needed before we believe something nowadays????

Do we have a list, that we tick off, before we will say "Ok, that's true"
Is the list different for everyone?

Are papers ever really 100% wrong most of the time, about the big stuff?

Well surely it's a simple enough matter to look at the school records for 28 November and confirm whether or not Sheikh al-Suleiman was invited - doesn't take MI5 to do that! I googled the school but got nothing at all - not even any details on the Ofsted site, no Ofsted reports, nothing. No surprise there.

Excellent post from Victor, disputed by insubstantial waffle from Didge - same old same old.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:52 am

From last year:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2440816/The-devoted-teacher-quit-Muslim-school-told-THIS-outfit-indecent.html

From Feb this year:

http://rt.com/news/women-teachers-muslim-schools-239/

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:53 am

://?roflmao?/:

Of course Tess is in agreement with someone who wants to bring a Nazi policy onto the Muslims as was the case with the Jews, by casting all as bad, based off poor accusations. All Victor did was play off fear, no facts, all he did was believe it was true and not wait for an investigation to be had, but then Tess we know your fears and views on Muslims, so you are completely biased against them.

So Tess could find no evidence to back the Telegraph claim, even more telling considering something like that would be public knowledge.

The reality again I will ask, you stands to gain most out of this accusation, a telling point was Victors post and reaction, another clue for the clueless

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:53 am

And it isn't "little Englanders":

Germany:

Just published on YouTube is a shocking video of discrimination against German and Christian children in German schools. They are severely bullied by Muslim kids in a school where immigrant children are an astonishing 96 percent. Hardly anybody speaks to them, they become introvert. They are outcasts, not integrated into the schools of their own land.

The reporter investigating this shameful situation interviews a boy who tells her how he was chased and attacked for saying that he does not believe in God, and a girl who says she is regularly insulted for being a Christian and called "You shit Christian".

The problem is not addressed by the school staff or the education authorities. The teachers even refuse to talk to the journalist in the video.

Indigenous and Christian children then become fearful even of reporting that they have been bullied to the teachers, not knowing how they will react (maybe they'll be called "racist"?).

Read more: http://enzaferreri.blogspot.com/2013/01/minority-german-children-bullied-by.html#ixzz2vdthzRqD

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:54 am

Dear me now we are deflecting to Germany for Little Andys hateful crusade against Muslims.

No debating just now spamming

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:10 am

PhilDidge wrote:Dear me now we are deflecting to Germany for Little Andys hateful crusade against Muslims.

No debating just now spamming

Says the Deflection Master! Okay dipstick, here's some debating for you:

A state school allegedly infiltrated by Muslim fundamentalists had on its staff an extremist who was jailed for his involvement in a terror cell which planned to behead a British soldier, it emerged yesterday.

Zahoor Iqbal, 36, was arrested while working for Saltley School, Birmingham, as an attendance officer and ‘achievement mentor’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577906/Terror-plotter-Zahool-Iqbal-employed-Satley-School-Birmingham-targeted-radicals-Extremist-jailed-involvement-cell-planned-behead-British-soldier.html

No doubt the court details are public knowledge, in case you're disputing this source.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:13 am

It is very very difficult to work with muslims.

It is very very difficult to live alongside muslims.

Eventually, the British will be pushed out.

Cue didge to tell me the muslims are also British, so no, the British won't be pushed out.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:16 am

BigAndy9 wrote:It is very very difficult to work with muslims.
Assumption based on no evidence just personal hate and fear by Andy

It is very very difficult to live alongside muslims.
Assumption based on no evidence just personal hate and fear by Andy

Eventually, the British will be pushed out.
Assumption based on no evidence just personal hate and fear by Andy

Cue didge to tell me the muslims are also British, so no, the British won't be pushed out.

lol are you saying Muslims cannot be British and none have ever served fought and died for this nation. The fact you show clearly how you buy into fear to vilify a whole group of religious people is again exactly like the Nazi's did with the Jews

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:18 am

Tess. wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:Dear me now we are deflecting to Germany for Little Andys hateful crusade against Muslims.

No debating just now spamming

Says the Deflection Master! Okay dipstick, here's some debating for you:

A state school allegedly infiltrated by Muslim fundamentalists had on its staff an extremist who was jailed for his involvement in a terror cell which planned to behead a British soldier, it emerged yesterday.

Zahoor Iqbal, 36, was arrested while working for Saltley School, Birmingham, as an attendance officer and ‘achievement mentor’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577906/Terror-plotter-Zahool-Iqbal-employed-Satley-School-Birmingham-targeted-radicals-Extremist-jailed-involvement-cell-planned-behead-British-soldier.html

No doubt the court details are public knowledge, in case you're disputing this source.

PMSL and?

Does not show any complicity by the School Tess, sometimes you really show why you are utterly ignorant Tess and she backs this all solely from one disgruntled ex employee.

You really cannot make it up what Tess will buy into

Thick comes to mind

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:22 am

Even worse this article is about something in 2008 with no connection to the latest claim, but the Mail is trying to make fit to again use the fear card and again the gullible lap it up

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:28 am

An employment tribunal involving a school linked to an alleged Islamist takeover plot has been adjourned to allow authorities time to investigate.
Birmingham City Council is looking into a letter that outlined an alleged plan to oust head teachers and make schools adhere to more Islamic principles.
The letter claimed the plan, known as "Operation Trojan Horse", had already affected leadership at four schools.

The document is the basis of the many sensationalised and Islamophobic articles in the media which seek to defame and vilify respectable individuals and institutions”

Adderley Primary school governors said they were "pleased" by the adjournment.
Adderley Primary and three other schools - Saltley, Park View and Regents Park Community - were named in the leaked document linked to the alleged plot.
A tribunal into claims four teaching assistants at the school were unfairly dismissed was adjourned on Monday following an application by its governors.
Governor Jawed Iqbel said: "We are pleased that the tribunal has accepted our application for an adjournment.
"This will allow Birmingham City Council, the police and the Department of Education to conduct a transparent investigation into the issues the Operation Trojan Horse raises about Adderley Primary School and also the other schools mentioned.
"We are confident the truth will prevail."
'Absurd claims'
Tahir Alam, a governor at Park View School, said the allegations were "a hoax".
"The document is the basis of the many sensationalised and Islamophobic articles in the media which seek to defame and vilify respectable individuals and institutions," he said.
Mr Alam said the suggestion Park View was trying to take over other schools was "absurd".
Claims there was an Islamic plot "simply tapped in prejudices and stereotypes about Muslims", he said.
Birmingham City Council confirmed its investigation into the letter was continuing.
West Midlands Police said it was not investigating the letter but was looking into a separate "allegation of fraud from members of staff at a primary school."
Ch Supt Alex Murray confirmed the allegation was made in January 2013.
"This investigation has been reopened by the Economic Crime Unit as a result of this letter coming to light," he said.
Solicitor Daniel Zakis, representing Hilary Owens, one of the teaching assistants at the tribunal, said: "Miss Owens welcomes the reopening of the police investigation, especially since she made the initial complaint to police in January 2013.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-26517660

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:30 am

My god, so the authorities have known about these things for years and are only just acting upon them?

Jesus Christ what are these people playing at?!

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:39 am

BigAndy9 wrote:My god, so the authorities have known about these things for years and are only just acting upon them?

Jesus Christ what are these people playing at?!

Strange how the Police are only investigating fraud now though, very telling showing even further how far fetched this so called plot is

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:41 am

What d'you think didge - this was covered up because they are muslims and the police didn't want to cause any upset in the "communities"?

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:42 am

BigAndy9 wrote:What d'you think didge - this was covered up because they are muslims and the police didn't want to cause any upset in the "communities"?

Well as the police are not investigating the letter is very telling, because if there was any truth to this they would be showing how easily some of the public are easily led.

So now it is being covered up, one moment

://?roflmao?/:

Your desperation has no limits Andy

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:43 pm

Times discovers that ‘Trojan horse’ letter is a crude forgery

A letter at the centre of an alleged jihadist plot to take over schools contains errors that suggest it is a fake.
A fortnight ago it was revealed that Birmingham City Council had handed over papers to West Midlands Police purporting to show a plan by Muslim fundamentalists to take over state schools. The documents highlighted a five-step strategy, called Operation Trojan Horse, to remove unwanted head teachers in order to establish schools run on Islamic principles. The document appears to show that the conspirators were working to remove a primary school headmistress who was actually dismissed 20 years ago.

The blunder undermines the authenticity of the anonymous letter. The error emerges in a passage detailing how plotters can take over schools. “The parents MUST be given direction and told not to discuss this with anyone, you only need a maximum of 4 parents to disrupt the whole school, to send in complaints, to question their child’s education and to contact their MP and local Authority,” it states. “We did this perfectly to Noshaba Hussain from Springfield School. However, the Governors reappointed her so now we have another plan in place to get her out.”
In fact, Ms Hussain was dismissed in 1994. Raghib Ahsan, a former Labour councillor for the area who went on to become chairman of governors at the school, was astonished to be told about the claim in the letter. “That’s a total lie,” he said: “We got rid of Noshaba Hussain. There was no religious issue. There was no such thing, if they are trying to take credit for it I was Sparkhill councillor at that time.”
Press reports from the 1990s described how a petition by 50 parents was sent to the council, organised by Mr Ahsan, who has since become a lawyer. He was concerned as to whether she was qualified for the post. Parents were unhappy because she had no previous paid experience teaching primary pupils. She was removed when education chiefs found inaccuracies on her application form, the Local Government Chronicle reported.
The crudeness of the apparent forgery is underlined by another error. The letter identifies two Birmingham schools where the plotters claim credit for removing head teachers late last year. However, the author appears to have muddled up their departure dates.
Russell Hobby, general secretary of the National Association of Head Teachers, said yesterday: “Clearly some very serious allegations have been made. They required investigation but the idea that there was an organised plot . . . seemed far-fetched.”
The Times, 11 March 2014

Whoops, so will Victor, Tess and Big Andy have the decency to admit they were wrong?

by Ben Reilly Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:57 pm

All you have to do is make a claim that agrees with their prejudiced worldview and they'll believe it.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:15 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
Tess. wrote:

Says the Deflection Master! Okay dipstick, here's some debating for you:

A state school allegedly infiltrated by Muslim fundamentalists had on its staff an extremist who was jailed for his involvement in a terror cell which planned to behead a British soldier, it emerged yesterday.

Zahoor Iqbal, 36, was arrested while working for Saltley School, Birmingham, as an attendance officer and ‘achievement mentor’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2577906/Terror-plotter-Zahool-Iqbal-employed-Satley-School-Birmingham-targeted-radicals-Extremist-jailed-involvement-cell-planned-behead-British-soldier.html

No doubt the court details are public knowledge, in case you're disputing this source.

PMSL and?

Does not show any complicity by the School Tess, sometimes you really show why you are utterly ignorant Tess and she backs this all solely from one disgruntled ex employee.

You really cannot make it up what Tess will buy into

Thick comes to mind

Usual answer - PMSL, followed by calling the poster stupid - same old shite. So fuckin predictable. What has this to do with "one disgruntled employee" or that silly letter which you're all focussing on? You think my post above is made up??? It's a court case!! But carry on about the fucking letter why don't you all? Airbrush the rest, as usual.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:52 pm

Tess. wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

PMSL and?

Does not show any complicity by the School Tess, sometimes you really show why you are utterly ignorant Tess and she backs this all solely from one disgruntled ex employee.

You really cannot make it up what Tess will buy into

Thick comes to mind
Usual answer - PMSL, followed by calling the poster stupid - same old shite. So fuckin predictable. What has this to do with "one disgruntled employee" or that silly letter which you're all focussing on? You think my post above is made up??? It's a court case!! But carry on about the fucking letter why don't you all? Airbrush the rest, as usual.

Except as usual were you being stupid again, yes.
The reality is based off a letter which you stupidly took to be true, now that delusion has been shattered you are too gutless to admit you were wrong Tess, which is a shame really/
Yes you threw in an old court case the Mail was trying to link to the letter Trojan Horse or did you not even read your own link, in other words they were seeking to unify the both through an old court case, proving again the desperation the Mail goes to on its anti Muslim agenda.

So on all counts you got it wrong

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:04 pm

Consider this....

these people constitute about 3% of the population (according to didge). Now you would think that at this low level they would have NO discernable impact upon our society.
And YET

we see our festivities disrupted.

we have our population being forced to eat cruelly and disgustingly slaughtered meat, and NOT being given the choice, our children are told at school either eat this or go hungry, and if a parent WAS to have the courage to complain they would be labeled "racist", and their children give a black mark on their record.

we have entire areas in some cities where our children (especially girls), cannot go for a night out, without fear of harassment or much worse, not because of any inherent criminality but because of "religious" beliefs

we have "faith" schools that have been shown to be hot beds of radicalism...that no one dare touch

we STILL have gangs of sexual predators whom the authorities are clearly too scared to deal with.

our authours and playwrights are too scared to mention anything "islamic" for fear of the repercussions

our satirists are scared stiff of islam, lampooning it would provoke too much danger

THEY control how we can think and speak, effectively via the dual threat of "racism" and violence

I recon we can say that this 3% of the population exerts a disproportionate influence upon our society...

something the appeasers for some reason seem happy with...perhaps they are hoping that when the eventual breakdown comes it will allow them their moment of glory...

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:38 pm

victorismyhero wrote:Consider this....

these people constitute about 3% of the population (according to didge).
Complete lie, never claimed that and in fact it is 4-5%.

Now you would think that at this low level they would have NO discernable impact upon our society.
And YET

we see our festivities disrupted.
Daft assertion, what was the Irish percentage of population at the height of the IRA troubles, seriously you do not get more dafter with fallacy associations when debating someone who has absolutely no knowledge of history

we have our population being forced to eat cruelly and disgustingly slaughtered meat, and NOT being given the choice, our children are told at school either eat this or go hungry, and if a parent WAS to have the courage to complain they would be labeled "racist", and their children give a black mark on their record.
Really cruelly
://?roflmao?/: What the fuck so we have two methods, one where they electrocute animals and slit their throats and one where they slits their throats and yet millions of Brits have no problem eating this food considering it is used in many football grounds, none seem to have any reservations about eating, what an absurd idiotic argument. So complain about what, where electrocution is now not without pain? If one is cruel then both are cruel
Daft

we have entire areas in some cities where our children (especially girls), cannot go for a night out, without fear of harassment or much worse, not because of any inherent criminality but because of "religious" beliefs
Where is the evidence for this now this is because of Muslims, even though the vast majority of rapists and child offenders are white British, Victor would again lie now and say it is only done to Muslims, when how on earth can you know the religion of your attacker, seriously you would make a great poster boy for the far right son

we have "faith" schools that have been shown to be hot beds of radicalism...that no one dare touch
Really, please list these schools that have been known to be hot beds of radicalism?
Seriously I am against all faith schools, but these claims are just comical to say the least, so please present 2, that should be no problem for you

we STILL have gangs of sexual predators whom the authorities are clearly too scared to deal with.
Back to 3% of child sex offences as if now they are the only problem, seriously fallacy association again and basing this now being the cause of the religion itself even though no faith allows the rape of women outside marriage, seriously what a far right numpty

our authours and playwrights are too scared to mention anything "islamic" for fear of the repercussions
Really daily many slag them off from Dawkins to Hitchens, showing again what an utter complete fabrication

our satirists are scared stiff of islam, lampooning it would provoke too much danger
Evidence please, PMSL?

THEY control how we can think and speak, effectively via the dual threat of "racism" and violence
://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: Fuck me would love to see the evidence for that load of bollocks

I recon we can say that this 3% of the population exerts a disproportionate influence upon our society...
Yes as of yet I am yet to see how except for really fantasy claims

something the appeasers for some reason seem happy with...perhaps they are hoping that when the eventual breakdown comes it will allow them their moment of glory...

All I can see is an idiot got made to look really stupid after a claim on a letter has been shown to a fabrication, the fact he was taken in is telling and the fact he has not the decency to admit he got it wrong shows the venom and hate that Victor has for Muslims basing all his absurd claims with no evidence off fallacy associations, the same hate presented to the Irish during the height of the IRA campaign

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:39 pm

So now we know Victor is a Muslim hater and uses the same pathetic excuses as the Nazi's did with the Jews, same mentality and methodology behind such arguments showing two peas in a pod.

Think we know what politics you back now Victor

Smile

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:46 pm

For Voctor to read and no spelling mistake on Voctor

Why Muslims in Birmingham Feel Like a 'Suspect' Community

As I walk down some of the most vibrant and lively neighbourhoods in Birmingham I can feel a sense of unease and suspicion from the locals. Made up of a large South Asian population, the people of Alum Rock, Sparkbrook, Small Heath and Washwood heath tell me of a 'them' versus 'us' culture. They also remind me of past incidents which has led to a 'breakdown' of relationship between the police and the Muslim community in Birmingham. That form of anxiety and suspicion is epitomised in the words of Moazzam Begg, who in his last post on Facebook wrote: "Sometimes knowing too much can be a curse".

Most people will know Moazzam Begg, as the former detainee of the US-run military prison in Guantanamo Bay, where he spent almost three years, following the post 9/11 'war on terror' crackdown and released without charge. As part of my study, looking at the impact of counter-terrorism legislation and policies upon Muslim families in Birmingham, a number of people who I have interviewed, have spoken about their anger and distrust of law enforcement agencies and the political elite based in Westminster. One man, I spoke to stated that: "Terrorism Laws have been invented for Muslims, to arrest us and treat us all like terrorists."

Another woman I spoke to added: "Muslims are being spied upon by the police and the state. I don't trust them anymore." That lack of trust is evident from previous cases where people have been arrested for counter-terrorism related offences, but are released and found to be innocent. For example, while studying for a postgraduate qualification in counter-terrorism, Rizwaan Sabir was arrested under the Terrorism Act for downloading extremist material, but was released without charge. In his case, documents from the professional standards unit of West Midlands police revealed that officers had 'fabricated' key elements of the case against him. In 2011, Sabir was paid £20,000 in damages by the Nottinghamshire police following his arrest. The case also raised important issues concerning the impact of counter-terrorism arrests upon a person's family life.

In Sabir's words: "This is finally some vindication and we can say proudly that I have proved to many, many people who may have suspected that I was a terrorist that I am actually innocent and always have been... It shows and it proves that [the police] were wrong to have behaved the way they did. They were wrong to put me through the torturous experience they did and they have finally accepted that."

Sabir, is not an isolated case, Cerie Bullivant spent two years on a control order before he was acquitted of all charges. Bullivant was en route to Syria when he was detained by British authorities as a terrorist suspect. What control orders really did was to put suspects under house arrest. Some of the restrictions imposed included monitoring suspects' activities throughout the day, who they can speak to, and who they can meet. There were restrictions on their telephone calls, travel, and use of the Internet. The police could also visit their home from time to time, and the suspects would also be electronically tagged. They had an impact on an individual's right to freedom of movement, freedom of association, freedom of communication, the right to liberty and the right to a private family life.

The impact on Bullivant's private life included him having to leave college and being shunned by his family and friends. My study which looks at the impact of counter-terrorism policies upon Muslim families in Birmingham shows a similar trend of fear, distrust and anger. I spoke to a number of Muslim families who were worried about counter-terrorism raids. One lady told me: "We are worried... scared they will come smashing down our door, simply because we are Muslim".

This fear factor for communities in Birmingham, is enshrined in previous policies by the police such as Project Champion in 2010, when a number of secret covert and overt CCTV cameras in predominately Muslim areas paid for by the Terrorism Allied Fund were installed. This highlighted how, in practice, Muslim communities were viewed as a suspect community. An independent report into the project concluded that there was a lack of "transparency" and "accountability" by the police. As the author of the report notes: "the lack of transparency about the purpose of the project has resulted in significant community anger and loss of trust."

The post, 9/11 'war on terror' narrative, has revealed a new suspect community. Whether inadvertently or not, measures such as profiling, hard-line policing, stop and search and surveillance all have the potential to stigmatise an entire population, such as Irish people living in Britain during the conflict in Northern Ireland, and now the Muslim community in Britain. Clearly, the situation in Syria is complex, however confiscating people's passports and removing people's citizenship is a short-term solution to a long-term problem. Whilst the situation in Syria unfolds, we must ensure that the golden thread that runs back to the principle of the Magna Carta which is based on justice, due process, and the principle of habeas corpus is not broken by these new measures which ultimately is leading to the Muslim community in Birmingham feeling like a suspect community.

Imran Awan's study into the impact of counter-terrorism legislation in Birmingham will be published later this year.

Read more about Imran Awan's study into Project Champion in Birmingham entitled: Terror in the Eye of the Beholder: The Spycam sage: Counter-Terrorism or Counter Productive published in the Howard Journal of Criminal Justice in 2011.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/imran-awan/muslims-birmingham_b_4917182.html

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 8:53 pm

Sorry Victor, I'm completely with Didge on this one.

It might seem like an oxymoron... Muslims are usually seen as having no sense of humor, protesting or rioting at the slightest joke or perceived insult at their expense. However, there is a growing culture of "Muslim comedy" that you might not know about!

Allah Made Me Funny Comedy Tour
"Comedian Azhar Usman"Chris Jackson/Getty Images
The "official Muslim comedy tour" with comics Preacher Moss (former writer for Saturday Night Live), Mohammed Amer (American of Palestinian descent), and Azhar Usman (Chicago native who has been nicknamed the "Ayatollah of Comedy" and "Bin Laughin").

Axis of Evil Comedy Tour
"Comedian Ahmed Ahmed"Rebecca Roth/Getty Images
Three stand-up comedians form the core of this touring group: Maz Jobrani, Aron Kader, and Ahmed Ahmed. Americans of Middle-Eastern descent, they poke fun at politics, religious extremism, and their family's countries of origin. They joke that they're still searching for a North Korean comic to join the tour! The group has been featured on Comedy Central, and performs throughout the U.S. and the world.

Fear of a Brown Planet Comedy Tour
Australian Muslim comedians Aamer Rahman (runner up in the Raw Comedy 2007 competition), Nazeem Hussain, and Mohammed El-Leissy performed at the 2007 Melbourne Fringe Festival and work on the Channel 31 Muslim panel show, Salam Café. Their comedy act explores issues around race, politics, bigotry, family and related themes.

Little Mosque on the Prairie
The first Muslim comedy to air on North American television, this sitcom featured a small group of Muslims living in a rural Canadian town.

Shazia Mirza

Revered, applauded, loved and reviled Shazia Mirza is an award-winning comedian and columnist, as much recognised for her literary prowess as she is for her unique comedic talents.

A trained biochemist, Shazia was born and educated in Birmingham – the daughter of first-generation Pakistani immigrants. Raised in a strict Muslin family envoiroment, Shazia relunctanly pursued a career as a science teacher whilst secretly honing her writing, acting & comedy skills part-time at drama school and with late-night gigs across the country. Oblivious to Shazia's determined but clandestine commitment to her art, it took an appearance on Have I Got News For You for friends and family to realise the extend of Shazia's ambitions. "Although it remained the 'c' word in the family house for years", she remarks. Fusing contemporary issues with her own personal experiences, Shazia pressed a lot of buttons with her tabboo-breaking, deadpan, confident style, She grabbed national attention in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks by performing her act in recognisable hijab dress and beginning with the remark, "My name is Shazia Mirza. At least, that's what it says on my pilot's licence." This was the year she won her first award - at the London Comedy Festival.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:07 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:Consider this....

these people constitute about 3% of the population (according to didge).
Complete lie, never claimed that and in fact it is 4-5%.

Now you would think that at this low level they would have NO discernable impact upon our society.
And YET

we see our festivities disrupted.
Daft assertion, what was the Irish percentage of population at the height of the IRA troubles, seriously you do not get more dafter with fallacy associations when debating someone who has absolutely no knowledge of history

what has ireland got to do with this? oh i forget didges dodges

we have our population being forced to eat cruelly and disgustingly slaughtered meat, and NOT being given the choice, our children are told at school either eat this or go hungry, and if a parent WAS to have the courage to complain they would be labeled "racist", and their children give a black mark on their record.
Really cruelly yes really
://?roflmao?/: What the fuck so we have two methods, one where they electrocute animals and slit their throats and one where they slits their throats and yet millions of Brits have no problem eating this food considering it is used in many football grounds, none seem to have any reservations about eating, what an absurd idiotic argument. So complain about what, where electrocution is now not without pain? If one is cruel then both are cruel
Daft
No didge, you merely show your ignorance of physiology...Properly applied electrocution STUNS...almost instantly...Or do you choose in your arrogance, and haste to appease, to set yourself against the BVA

we have entire areas in some cities where our children (especially girls), cannot go for a night out, without fear of harassment or much worse, not because of any inherent criminality but because of "religious" beliefs
Where is the evidence for this now this is because of Muslims, even though the vast majority of rapists and child offenders are white British, Victor would again lie now and say it is only done to Muslims, when how on earth can you know the religion of your attacker, seriously you would make a great poster boy for the far right son

try Observation... just for a start, plus plenty of past news items...(go google FOR YOURSELF) of girls being called sluts and white trash etc BY ASIAN youths

we have "faith" schools that have been shown to be hot beds of radicalism...that no one dare touch
Really, please list these schools that have been known to be hot beds of radicalism?
Seriously I am against all faith schools, but these claims are just comical to say the least, so please present 2, that should be no problem for you

Michael Gove, the education secretary, was one of the key voices calling for a ban on support for non-violent extremism when it published its Prevent strategy to fight radicalisation last year.
But behind closed doors there are concerns about 118 “socially conservative” independent faith schools - the vast majority of them Muslim - where pupils may be encouraged to cut themselves off from mainstream society.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9750428/Extremism-unchecked-in-schools-secret-briefing-reveals.html

read the WHOLE report...that names a few more than 2....

we STILL have gangs of sexual predators whom the authorities are clearly too scared to deal with.
Back to 3% of child sex offences as if now they are the only problem, seriously fallacy association again and basing this now being the cause of the religion itself even though no faith allows the rape of women outside marriage, seriously what a far right numpty

So the bradford gang didnt exist, nor do any others????

our authours and playwrights are too scared to mention anything "islamic" for fear of the repercussions
Really daily many slag them off from Dawkins to Hitchens, showing again what an utter complete fabrication

our satirists are scared stiff of islam, lampooning it would provoke too much danger
Evidence please, PMSL? Salman Rushdie, the riots over the dutch cartoon....nuf said i think.....

THEY control how we can think and speak, effectively via the dual threat of "racism" and violence
://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: Fuck me would love to see the evidence for that load of bollocks

I recon we can say that this 3% of the population exerts a disproportionate influence upon our society...
Yes as of yet I am yet to see how except for really fantasy claims

you dont see it because you dont want to/it suits your purpose NOT to....

something the appeasers for some reason seem happy with...perhaps they are hoping that when the eventual breakdown comes it will allow them their moment of glory...

All I can see is an idiot got made to look really stupid after a claim on a letter has been shown to a fabrication, the fact he was taken in is telling and the fact he has not the decency to admit he got it wrong shows the venom and hate that Victor has for Muslims basing all his absurd claims with no evidence off fallacy associations, the same hate presented to the Irish during the height of the IRA campaign

No fallacy association involved (in fact you STILL dont know the meaning of the phrase...you just wave it around to try to look good)

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:10 pm

I would also say, I'm with Didge in his opinion, not in his way of expressing it ::D::

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:10 pm

Sassy wrote:Sorry Victor, I'm completely with Didge on this one.

It might seem like an oxymoron... Muslims are usually seen as having no sense of humor, protesting or rioting at the slightest joke or perceived insult at their expense. However, there is a growing culture of "Muslim comedy" that you might not know about!

Allah Made Me Funny Comedy Tour
"Comedian Azhar Usman"Chris Jackson/Getty Images
The "official Muslim comedy tour" with comics Preacher Moss (former writer for Saturday Night Live), Mohammed Amer (American of Palestinian descent), and Azhar Usman (Chicago native who has been nicknamed the "Ayatollah of Comedy" and "Bin Laughin").

Axis of Evil Comedy Tour
"Comedian Ahmed Ahmed"Rebecca Roth/Getty Images
Three stand-up comedians form the core of this touring group: Maz Jobrani, Aron Kader, and Ahmed Ahmed. Americans of Middle-Eastern descent, they poke fun at politics, religious extremism, and their family's countries of origin. They joke that they're still searching for a North Korean comic to join the tour! The group has been featured on Comedy Central, and performs throughout the U.S. and the world.

Fear of a Brown Planet Comedy Tour
Australian Muslim comedians Aamer Rahman (runner up in the Raw Comedy 2007 competition), Nazeem Hussain, and Mohammed El-Leissy performed at the 2007 Melbourne Fringe Festival and work on the Channel 31 Muslim panel show, Salam Café. Their comedy act explores issues around race, politics, bigotry, family and related themes.

Little Mosque on the Prairie
The first Muslim comedy to air on North American television, this sitcom featured a small group of Muslims living in a rural Canadian town.

Shazia Mirza

Revered, applauded, loved and reviled Shazia Mirza is an award-winning comedian and columnist, as much recognised for her literary prowess as she is for her unique comedic talents.

A trained biochemist, Shazia was born and educated in Birmingham – the daughter of first-generation Pakistani immigrants. Raised in a strict Muslin family envoiroment, Shazia relunctanly pursued a career as a science teacher whilst secretly honing her writing, acting & comedy skills part-time at drama school and with late-night gigs across the country. Oblivious to Shazia's determined but clandestine commitment to her art, it took an appearance on Have I Got News For You for friends and family to realise the extend of Shazia's ambitions. "Although it remained the 'c' word in the family house for years", she remarks. Fusing contemporary issues with her own personal experiences, Shazia pressed a lot of buttons with her tabboo-breaking, deadpan, confident style, She grabbed national attention in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks by performing her act in recognisable hijab dress and beginning with the remark, "My name is Shazia Mirza. At least, that's what it says on my pilot's licence." This was the year she won her first award - at the London Comedy Festival.

try telling a joke about allah or mohamed in a mosque...

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:11 pm

try publishing a cartoon of mohamed or allah

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:11 pm

So no evidence presented

Fail

Fuck me so many fallacy associations and fails to see how many Irish were vilified also at the time.

Pathetic show me something that would mean everyone is justified to fear all Muslims, you can't so you play off some Muslim rape gangs, some terrorism, and after claims as if that is fair to justify your hate, grow up you wally, you sound like Smelly, he would be proud of the bull you just wrote

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:12 pm

says you didge...when I gave you the telegraph article for a start...

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:14 pm

victorismyhero wrote:says you didge...when I gave you the telegraph article for a start...

://?roflmao?/:

That is your evidence out of all the fallacy association claims you made, do me a favour, come back with something viable, because all you are posting is utter bullshit son

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:15 pm

Maybe, is now many schools with no evidence of any, pathetic, you are an idiot, not joking either with this argument, because it is idiotic

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:15 pm

2 Schools with evidence, over to you son

Smile

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:19 pm

In January,(2013) Muslim gangs were filmed loitering on streets in London and demanding that passersby conform to Islamic Sharia law. In a series of videos, the self-proclaimed vigilantes—who call themselves Muslim London Patrol—are seen abusing non-Muslim pedestrians and repeatedly shouting "this is a Muslim area."

One video records the men shouting: "Allah is the greatest! Islam is here, whether you like it or not. We are here! We are here! What we need is Islam! What we need is Sharia!"

The video continues: "We are the Muslim Patrol. We are in north London, we are in south London, in east London and west London. We command good and forbid evil. Islam is here in London. [Prime Minister] David Cameron, Mr. Police Officer, whether you like it or not, we will command good and forbid evil. You will never get us. You can go to hell! This is not a Christian country. To hell with Christianity. Isa [Jesus] was a messenger of Allah. Muslim Patrol will never die. Allah is great! Allah is great! We are coming!"

In a January 23 interview with the online newspaper International Business Times, Anjem Choudary, a radical preacher who has long called for Sharia law to be implemented in Britain and other European countries, defended the gang, saying: "This is a wake-up call for society to ask, 'where are we headed?' There is a clash between Islam and liberal democracy in hotspot areas of London."

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:21 pm

victorismyhero wrote:In January,(2013) Muslim gangs were filmed loitering on streets in London and demanding that passersby conform to Islamic Sharia law. In a series of videos, the self-proclaimed vigilantes—who call themselves Muslim London Patrol—are seen abusing non-Muslim pedestrians and repeatedly shouting "this is a Muslim area."

One video records the men shouting: "Allah is the greatest! Islam is here, whether you like it or not. We are here! We are here! What we need is Islam! What we need is Sharia!"

The video continues: "We are the Muslim Patrol. We are in north London, we are in south London, in east London and west London. We command good and forbid evil. Islam is here in London. [Prime Minister] David Cameron, Mr. Police Officer, whether you like it or not, we will command good and forbid evil. You will never get us. You can go to hell! This is not a Christian country. To hell with Christianity. Isa [Jesus] was a messenger of Allah. Muslim Patrol will never die. Allah is great! Allah is great! We are coming!"

In a January 23 interview with the online newspaper International Business Times, Anjem Choudary, a radical preacher who has long called for Sharia law to be implemented in Britain and other European countries, defended the gang, saying: "This is a wake-up call for society to ask, 'where are we headed?' There is a clash between Islam and liberal democracy in hotspot areas of London."

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

3 people arrested for so many claims to many gangs, none others have been arrested, 3 people constitue roaming gangs now

://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

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by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:21 pm

Daily Telegraph reports concerns about faith schools
Posted on 03/01/2013
The Daily Telegraph recently published an article over concerns expressed in a Department of Education memo on ‘socially conservative’ faith schools “where pupils may be encouraged to cut themselves off from mainstream society”. The ‘majority’ of faith schools noted in the memo are Muslim, with small references to Orthodox Jewish and schools run by the Christian denomination, the Plymouth Brethren.

According to the paper, officials say there is “a gap between what we think we know and what we can prove” because the undercover methods used by journalists are not open to civil servants.

The paper notes that as of this year, Independent School Standards will require respect for “fundamental British values” including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs.” The school inspections body, Ofsted, will introduce special inspectors to look at faith schools’ compliance with the requirements as part of a “prioritised inspection programme”. However, the DT states, the remit will be limited to looking at the ‘ethos’ of independent schools rather than their day to day operation.

In state schools, the Department for Education has “no system in place to identify institutional extremism”, resorting to the use of an ‘unreliable’ measure, such as data on referrals made by schools to the Prevent strategy administered programme ‘Channel’. The programme is designed to help individuals move away from extremism.

The DT states that ‘schools of interest’ include three run by the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation, which ‘reports claim’ “is run by senior members and activists of Hizb ut-Tahrir”; the Alif Academy in Forest Gate, East London, where “the local council has raised concerns about links with Hizb ut-Tahrir”; and the Darul Uloom school in Birmingham associated with the Tablighi Jamaat, “where an undercover documentary recorded children being taught a hardline version of Islam that criticised Hindus and Jews”.

The report also cites concerns over proposals for private Islamic schools in Rochdale and Birmingham and names a number of individuals involved in terrorism who have held teaching assistant positions in state schools.

It also cites the government’s counter-terrorism strategy, Prevent, which “warned last year that some people who are supportive of terrorist groups and ideologies had “sought and sometimes gained positions in schools or in groups which work closely with young people”, and “also reported that a minority of independent faith schools had been “actively promoting views that are contrary to British values, such as intolerance of other cultures and gender inequality” and had “allowed extremist views to be expressed by staff, visitors or pupils.”

It adds that the government is concerned about madrasas which are “promoting a highly conservative version of Islam and spreading extremist views, particularly against non-Muslims.”

Faith schools, and particularly Muslim faith schools, have become a point of increasing contention in recent years. Whilst concerns that extremist views are taught to young people should be taken seriously, the narrative of the DT article fails to give a balanced perspective on the issue. The way in which this is framed insinuates that ‘social conservatism’ in Muslim schools is a problem in its own right, and a comparatively more perilous problem in Muslim faith schools than in those of other faith traditions.

Moreover, it is possible that the DT is exaggerating the extent of the issue- by its own admission, there is a gap between what the government ‘thinks it knows’ and what can be proved about the ‘institutional extremism’ in many of these schools. With specific reference to the DT’s citing claims that the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation “is run by senior members and activists of Hizb ut-Tahrir”, it is important to note that the Charity Commission cleared the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation of any links with Hizb-ut-Tahrir in 2010, concluding that it was “satisfied that the charity is operating as a charitable educational organisation”.

With regards to concerns raised about madrasas, it is worth pointing to a 2011 IPPR report, whose survey of 179 madrasas found that “most have a child protection policy and carry out CRB checks on staff”, though there were concerns that a significant minority do not.

The report also brings to light one issue which has repeatedly been raised about the implementation of counter-terrorism policy and the Prevent strategy – the way in which Muslims are treated as a ‘suspect community’. The extent to which this manifests itself in practice is such that in some instances, police forces have admitted to monitoring nurseries and young children as part of their ‘counter-radicalisation’ efforts. Perhaps the Department of Education, and indeed the DT, need reminding of the Prevent Strategy’s own statements concerning radicalisation and extremism in schools:

“We regard Prevent work with children and with schools as an important part of the strategy. But this work needs to be proportionate. It must not start from a misplaced assumption that there is a significant problem that needs to be resolved. We have seen some evidence of very limited radicalisation of children by extremist or terrorist groups. There is further evidence that some schools – and some supplementary schools – have used teaching materials which may encourage intolerance. And we know that some extremist or terrorist organisations have held positions of influence in education or in other organisations working closely with children. But these issues must be kept in perspective. And they are not all within the remit of Prevent.”

http://iengage.uk.net/news/daily-telegraph-reports-concerns-about-faith-schools/

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:22 pm

PhilDidge wrote:Maybe, is now many schools with no evidence of any, pathetic, you are an idiot, not joking either with this argument, because it is idiotic

Another causing concern is the Darul Uloom school in Birmingham, associated with the missionary group Tablighi Jamaat, where an undercover documentary recorded children being taught a hardline version of Islam that criticised Hindus and Jews.
The document also mentions a proposal to set up a school attached to the Central Mosque in Rochdale, called Darul Ilm, which is also associated with Tablighi Jamaat.
Neither responded to requests for comment.
The briefing document also highlights an application to set up a private school at the Green Lanes Mosque in Birmingham, which has links to fundamentalist “salafi” Muslims in Pakistan, and where another undercover documentary filmed preachers speaking out against homosexuals and non-Muslims.

so these dont exist?

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:23 pm

victorismyhero wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:Maybe, is now many schools with no evidence of any, pathetic, you are an idiot, not joking either with this argument, because it is idiotic

Another causing concern is the Darul Uloom school in Birmingham, associated with the missionary group Tablighi Jamaat, where an undercover documentary recorded children being taught a hardline version of Islam that criticised Hindus and Jews.
The document also mentions a proposal to set up a school attached to the Central Mosque in Rochdale, called Darul Ilm, which is also associated with Tablighi Jamaat.
Neither responded to requests for comment.
The briefing document also highlights an application to set up a private school at the Green Lanes Mosque in Birmingham, which has links to fundamentalist “salafi” Muslims in Pakistan, and where another undercover documentary filmed preachers speaking out against homosexuals and non-Muslims.

so these dont exist?

Daily Telegraph reports concerns about faith schools
Posted on 03/01/2013
The Daily Telegraph recently published an article over concerns expressed in a Department of Education memo on ‘socially conservative’ faith schools “where pupils may be encouraged to cut themselves off from mainstream society”. The ‘majority’ of faith schools noted in the memo are Muslim, with small references to Orthodox Jewish and schools run by the Christian denomination, the Plymouth Brethren.

According to the paper, officials say there is “a gap between what we think we know and what we can prove” because the undercover methods used by journalists are not open to civil servants.

The paper notes that as of this year, Independent School Standards will require respect for “fundamental British values” including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs.” The school inspections body, Ofsted, will introduce special inspectors to look at faith schools’ compliance with the requirements as part of a “prioritised inspection programme”. However, the DT states, the remit will be limited to looking at the ‘ethos’ of independent schools rather than their day to day operation.

In state schools, the Department for Education has “no system in place to identify institutional extremism”, resorting to the use of an ‘unreliable’ measure, such as data on referrals made by schools to the Prevent strategy administered programme ‘Channel’. The programme is designed to help individuals move away from extremism.

The DT states that ‘schools of interest’ include three run by the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation, which ‘reports claim’ “is run by senior members and activists of Hizb ut-Tahrir”; the Alif Academy in Forest Gate, East London, where “the local council has raised concerns about links with Hizb ut-Tahrir”; and the Darul Uloom school in Birmingham associated with the Tablighi Jamaat, “where an undercover documentary recorded children being taught a hardline version of Islam that criticised Hindus and Jews”.

The report also cites concerns over proposals for private Islamic schools in Rochdale and Birmingham and names a number of individuals involved in terrorism who have held teaching assistant positions in state schools.

It also cites the government’s counter-terrorism strategy, Prevent, which “warned last year that some people who are supportive of terrorist groups and ideologies had “sought and sometimes gained positions in schools or in groups which work closely with young people”, and “also reported that a minority of independent faith schools had been “actively promoting views that are contrary to British values, such as intolerance of other cultures and gender inequality” and had “allowed extremist views to be expressed by staff, visitors or pupils.”

It adds that the government is concerned about madrasas which are “promoting a highly conservative version of Islam and spreading extremist views, particularly against non-Muslims.”

Faith schools, and particularly Muslim faith schools, have become a point of increasing contention in recent years. Whilst concerns that extremist views are taught to young people should be taken seriously, the narrative of the DT article fails to give a balanced perspective on the issue. The way in which this is framed insinuates that ‘social conservatism’ in Muslim schools is a problem in its own right, and a comparatively more perilous problem in Muslim faith schools than in those of other faith traditions.

Moreover, it is possible that the DT is exaggerating the extent of the issue- by its own admission, there is a gap between what the government ‘thinks it knows’ and what can be proved about the ‘institutional extremism’ in many of these schools. With specific reference to the DT’s citing claims that the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation “is run by senior members and activists of Hizb ut-Tahrir”, it is important to note that the Charity Commission cleared the Islamic Shakhsiyah Foundation of any links with Hizb-ut-Tahrir in 2010, concluding that it was “satisfied that the charity is operating as a charitable educational organisation”.

With regards to concerns raised about madrasas, it is worth pointing to a 2011 IPPR report, whose survey of 179 madrasas found that “most have a child protection policy and carry out CRB checks on staff”, though there were concerns that a significant minority do not.

The report also brings to light one issue which has repeatedly been raised about the implementation of counter-terrorism policy and the Prevent strategy – the way in which Muslims are treated as a ‘suspect community’. The extent to which this manifests itself in practice is such that in some instances, police forces have admitted to monitoring nurseries and young children as part of their ‘counter-radicalisation’ efforts. Perhaps the Department of Education, and indeed the DT, need reminding of the Prevent Strategy’s own statements concerning radicalisation and extremism in schools:

“We regard Prevent work with children and with schools as an important part of the strategy. But this work needs to be proportionate. It must not start from a misplaced assumption that there is a significant problem that needs to be resolved. We have seen some evidence of very limited radicalisation of children by extremist or terrorist groups. There is further evidence that some schools – and some supplementary schools – have used teaching materials which may encourage intolerance. And we know that some extremist or terrorist organisations have held positions of influence in education or in other organisations working closely with children. But these issues must be kept in perspective. And they are not all within the remit of Prevent.”

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:26 pm

Choudary has previously led a campaign, known as the Islamic Emirates Project, to turn twelve British cities—including what he calls "Londonistan"—into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves, ruled by Sharia law and governed entirely outside British jurisprudence.

In February, Choudary was filmed urging his followers to quit their jobs and claim unemployment benefits so they have more time to plan holy war against non-Muslims.

Excerpts of the speech, published by the London-based newspaper The Sun on February 17, drew renewed attention to the growing problem of Muslims in Britain and elsewhere who are exploiting European welfare systems.

In the video, Choudary is recorded as saying that Muslims are justified in taking money from non-Muslims, whom he mocks for working in nine-to-five jobs their whole lives. He says: "You find people are busy working the whole of their life. They wake up at 7 o'clock. They go to work at 9 o'clock. They work for eight, nine hours a day. They come home at 7 o'clock, watch EastEnders [a British soap opera], sleep, and they do that for 40 years of their life. That is called slavery. ... What kind of life is that? That is the life of the kuffar [a non-Muslim]."

Choudary urges fellow Muslims to learn from revered figures in Islamic history who only worked one or two days a year. "The rest of the year they were busy with jihad [holy war] and things like that," he says. "People will say, 'Ah, but you are not working.' But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar. So we take Jihad Seeker's Allowance."

didnt happen???

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:26 pm

Still waiting for evidence of 2

Take your time

here is further evidence that some schools – and some supplementary schools – have used teaching materials which may encourage intolerance. And we know that some extremist or terrorist organisations have held positions of influence in education or in other organisations working closely with children. But these issues must be kept in perspective. And they are not all within the remit of Prevent.”

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:27 pm

yes didge...thats the telegraph article...good boy you can follow links I post....pavlov would be proud of my training methods.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:27 pm

victorismyhero wrote:Choudary has previously led a campaign, known as the Islamic Emirates Project, to turn twelve British cities—including what he calls "Londonistan"—into independent Islamic states. The so-called Islamic Emirates would function as autonomous enclaves, ruled by Sharia law and governed entirely outside British jurisprudence.

In February, Choudary was filmed urging his followers to quit their jobs and claim unemployment benefits so they have more time to plan holy war against non-Muslims.

Excerpts of the speech, published by the London-based newspaper The Sun on February 17, drew renewed attention to the growing problem of Muslims in Britain and elsewhere who are exploiting European welfare systems.

In the video, Choudary is recorded as saying that Muslims are justified in taking money from non-Muslims, whom he mocks for working in nine-to-five jobs their whole lives. He says: "You find people are busy working the whole of their life. They wake up at 7 o'clock. They go to work at 9 o'clock. They work for eight, nine hours a day. They come home at 7 o'clock, watch EastEnders [a British soap opera], sleep, and they do that for 40 years of their life. That is called slavery. ... What kind of life is that? That is the life of the kuffar [a non-Muslim]."

Choudary urges fellow Muslims to learn from revered figures in Islamic history who only worked one or two days a year. "The rest of the year they were busy with jihad [holy war] and things like that," he says. "People will say, 'Ah, but you are not working.' But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar. So we take Jihad Seeker's Allowance."

didnt happen???

One man with a few hundred followers is not justification to vilify all muslims here now

You are really embarrassing yourself now

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:28 pm

PhilDidge wrote:Still waiting for evidence of 2

Take your time

here is further evidence that some schools – and some supplementary schools – have used teaching materials which may encourage intolerance. And we know that some extremist or terrorist organisations have held positions of influence in education or in other organisations working closely with children. But these issues must be kept in perspective. And they are not all within the remit of Prevent.”

thats "some"....talk about cherry picking...

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:28 pm

victorismyhero wrote:yes didge...thats the telegraph article...good boy you can follow links I post....pavlov would be proud of my training methods.

Yes good boy no evidence of even 2 schools, you are getting spanked son ha ha

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:29 pm

victorismyhero wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:Still waiting for evidence of 2

Take your time

here is further evidence that some schools – and some supplementary schools – have used teaching materials which may encourage intolerance. And we know that some extremist or terrorist organisations have held positions of influence in education or in other organisations working closely with children. But these issues must be kept in perspective. And they are not all within the remit of Prevent.”
thats "some"....talk about cherry picking...

Nope no schools at all, hilarious and enjoying you struggle with such desperation, thanks

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:30 pm

The thing about not working Victor, did you know that fundamentalist Jews think exactly the same? Because of it they haven't been required to do their time in the Israeli Army, and are up in arms because the suggestion is now that they have to. Fundamentalist Jews in this country believe the same.

by Guest Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:33 pm

What gets me Victor is not once have you admitted you were mistaken about this claim, where as shown the letter is clearly a fake, that is poor mate

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