Bus Pass Elvis Party Beats Lib Dems In Election

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:12 pm

8th March 2014

No, seriously. Lib Dems - extinct.

A pensioner dressed as Elvis has beaten the Liberal Democrats in a local council by-election.

David Laurence Bishop, who goes by the name of Lord Biro, stood as a candidate for the Bus Pass Elvis Party.

He received 67 votes in the by-election in Clifton North, Nottingham, with Lib Dem candidate Tony Marshall coming last with 56. Labour won with 1,174 votes.

Taking the news in jest, a national Lib Dem spokesman said: "We are all shook up by the result."

Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg said he was not embarrassed by the result, but added: "It is a new one for us to be competing against the Bus Pass Elvis Party."

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Mr Bishop, who has stood for election as a councillor in Nottingham at least six times, said he was "shocked" by the result.

"I thought there was a chance I could beat the Lib Dems because they are not very popular in this area," he said.

"I was hoping I would beat UKIP because it was the first time they had stood, but I didn't."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-26480506

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:15 pm

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:18 pm

That is the result of many U- turns and snakey behaviour , and that is general opinion of the Fib Dems.

Well done Elvis !!

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:25 pm

I just think it was this guy's solid policies that did it:

As part of his manifesto Mr Bishop had pledged to tighten laws on hand gun ownership and legalise brothels with a 30% discount for OAPs.

He also said he wanted to scrap the high speed HS2 train because it would destroy Nottingham's greenbelt and pledged to stop any more tram routes being constructed in the city.

In the last 15 years Mr Bishop has stood for eight different parties, including the Elvis Loves Pets Party, Grumpy Old Elvis Party and the Elvis Turns Green Party.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:33 pm

Not UKIP?

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:39 pm

Is it not time the Labour Party stepped aside for UKIP?

If not, the average man on the street may not be heard come the next General Election.

Left wingers/socialists need to decide - do they vote Labour, which could be a wasted vote, or do they vote up-and-coming UKIP?

by Dagenham Monologues Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:46 pm

UKIp keep on saying things that annoy the lefties on here but are the very things that the majority of people support.

God forbid we give people a say the lefties and the Liberals despise that idea.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:52 pm

The irony is they are saying the very things that the old core supporters of the left parties want to hear. Modern lefties most definitely dont want to know about that - see my thread on the Guardian starting to get UKIP and the crys about the writers being right wing.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:56 pm

sphinx wrote:The irony is they are saying the very things that the old core supporters of the left parties want to hear. Modern lefties most definitely dont want to know about that - see my thread on the Guardian starting to get UKIP and the crys about the writers being right wing.

I kind of agree sphinx - hence why I keep going on about them being socialists - I think they are in every policy apart from immigration.

Then again - looking after the British worker? Putting Britain first above money and business?

Very old-skool left wing in my eyes.

A certain section of people have put immigration above everything else though.

by Ben Reilly Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:25 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
sphinx wrote:The irony is they are saying the very things that the old core supporters of the left parties want to hear. Modern lefties most definitely dont want to know about that - see my thread on the Guardian starting to get UKIP and the crys about the writers being right wing.

I kind of agree sphinx - hence why I keep going on about them being socialists - I think they are in every policy apart from immigration.

Then again - looking after the British worker? Putting Britain first above money and business?

Very old-skool left wing in my eyes.

A certain section of people have put immigration above everything else though.

Could very well be inspired by the tendency of people such as yourself to paint the immigration issue in racist terms -- people don't want to be associated with that kind of ignorance and bile. You'd probably get a lot more people to listen to your ideas about immigration reform if you didn't give them every reason to think that you hate everyone who comes to Britain from another country.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 6:46 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:

I kind of agree sphinx - hence why I keep going on about them being socialists - I think they are in every policy apart from immigration.

Then again - looking after the British worker? Putting Britain first above money and business?

Very old-skool left wing in my eyes.

A certain section of people have put immigration above everything else though.

Could very well be inspired by the tendency of people such as yourself to paint the immigration issue in racist terms -- people don't want to be associated with that kind of ignorance and bile. You'd probably get a lot more people to listen to your ideas about immigration reform if you didn't give them every reason to think that you hate everyone who comes to Britain from another country.

Baring in mind that the mind set Andy displays is not that of UKIP - UKIPs position is simply that we need to have control of our own borders and be able to say look for every ****** vacancy we have 10 unemployed applicants so we do not need any more ******ers while we have 3 ^^^^^ vacancies for every qualified ^^^^^er and need more.

Is that concept so difficult for people to understand?

by Eilzel Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:48 pm

Lib Dems will see their vote collapse next year, almost certainly, however current poll trends still but them at 22 or so seats and UKIP on none. I have yet to meet a single person who supports UKIP and most roll their eyes (this being the mildest negative reaction) at the mere name of Nigel Farage.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:30 pm

Eilzel wrote:Lib Dems will see their vote collapse next year, almost certainly, however current poll trends still but them at 22 or so seats and UKIP on none. I have yet to meet a single person who supports UKIP and most roll their eyes (this being the mildest negative reaction) at the mere name of Nigel Farage.

Yes Eilzel - myself and tess and the others on here are figments of your imagination and dont really exist.

Have a look in your area for a UKIP branch and see if there are public meetings scheduled - then go along and meet them,

by Eilzel Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:33 pm

sphinx wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Lib Dems will see their vote collapse next year, almost certainly, however current poll trends still but them at 22 or so seats and UKIP on none. I have yet to meet a single person who supports UKIP and most roll their eyes (this being the mildest negative reaction) at the mere name of Nigel Farage.

Yes Eilzel - myself and tess and the others on here are figments of your imagination and dont really exist.

Have a look in your area for a UKIP branch and see if there are public meetings scheduled - then go along and meet them,

Well sphinx; I think you'll find with just a little care to read my post there I never actually said UKIP supporters don't exist. OBVIOUSLY they do. When I said who I have met I felt it wasn't necessary to specify I meant in person- again I (naively it seems), felt that was implied- do we really need to be so explicit to escape misunderstandings?

My point was that for all the build up of UKIP they are still a love em or hate em party- with far more it seems in the latter camp- you don't really think UKIP are going to prove a decisive force in 2015 do you?

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:41 pm

I think they have already proved a decisive force - they are causing the other parties to make changes that were not intended like David Cameron change from and absolute no referendum to promising one, like getting the topic of immigration talked about.

The thing that amuses me about so many of the haters is if you dont mention party name and ask them what policies they would like to see the ones they describe are so often the ones offered by UKIP - too many people judge UKIP as a party on what they hear and read in the media and like yourself have never "met" real UKIP - which is why I suggest you go and try it because I have also met those who did meet UKIP for the first time and found it a revelation.

by Eilzel Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:47 pm

sphinx wrote:I think they have already proved a decisive force - they are causing the other parties to make changes that were not intended like David Cameron change from and absolute no referendum to promising one, like getting the topic of immigration talked about.

The thing that amuses me about so many of the haters is if you dont mention party name and ask them what policies they would like to see the ones they describe are so often the ones offered by UKIP - too many people judge UKIP as a party on what they hear and read in the media and like yourself have never "met" real UKIP - which is why I suggest you go and try it because I have also met those who did meet UKIP for the first time and found it a revelation.

I know that UKIP want out of the EU and oppose Same-Sex Marriage and want a flat rate of tax. That is enough for me to oppose them Sphinx.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:00 pm

Eilzel wrote:
sphinx wrote:I think they have already proved a decisive force - they are causing the other parties to make changes that were not intended like David Cameron change from and absolute no referendum to promising one, like getting the topic of immigration talked about.

The thing that amuses me about so many of the haters is if you dont mention party name and ask them what policies they would like to see the ones they describe are so often the ones offered by UKIP - too many people judge UKIP as a party on what they hear and read in the media and like yourself have never "met" real UKIP - which is why I suggest you go and try it because I have also met those who did meet UKIP for the first time and found it a revelation.

I know that UKIP want out of the EU and oppose Same-Sex Marriage and want a flat rate of tax. That is enough for me to oppose them Sphinx.

So why are you surprised you have never met anyone who likes them?

by Eilzel Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:03 pm

sphinx wrote:
Eilzel wrote:

I know that UKIP want out of the EU and oppose Same-Sex Marriage and want a flat rate of tax. That is enough for me to oppose them Sphinx.

So why are you surprised you have never met anyone who likes them?

I'm not surprised I haven't met anyone who likes them- considering their reputation (justified or not) I'd expect not to find people who like them. However; I know many people with drastically different views to mine, I even have met BNP supporters, a few I'd call friends. The only surprise is the relatively larger number on this forum.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:03 pm

sphinx wrote:I think they have already proved a decisive force - they are causing the other parties to make changes that were not intended like David Cameron change from and absolute no referendum to promising one, like getting the topic of immigration talked about.

The thing that amuses me about so many of the haters is if you dont mention party name and ask them what policies they would like to see the ones they describe are so often the ones offered by UKIP - too many people judge UKIP as a party on what they hear and read in the media and like yourself have never "met" real UKIP - which is why I suggest you go and try it because I have also met those who did meet UKIP for the first time and found it a revelation.

Gobbledygook yet again and your previous posts on immigration and jobs that now it is the fault of the immigrants and the Governments over now who employers give jobs too, that is the limitation and absurdity promoted by UKIP, knowing full well this claim of theirs to be untrue thus play on fear. Where UKIP have been successful in support is the "white" working class Brits, who are being misled by UKIP with their incorrect claims than immigrants are stealing jobs from them, when again it is the employers that employ people. Now these kind of low paid jobs taken up by people coming here is down to a multiple of reasons by the companies, which there is no need to expand onto. But the claim as Sphinx makes that their policies are in tune with many people is also very wrong, being if that was the case vastly more would follow them. UKIP has only just begun to experience what the other parties have with slating from the media, so there is no campaign, they have to now recognize they are with the big boys.

The reality is UKIP have no financially viable policies with what to do with the economy, based again on a lot of what if's of which again on these two policies, immigration and the EU, we have no real idea what this will .this lead to or repercussions, for good or for bad. There is no honesty from any of the parties on this, an honest discussion of the possibilities. Yet and UKIP is the worst, they are not being honest to voters what this might entail what might happen if we do leave.

Yes I want immigration controlled to certain levels, but it is difficult without consensus of other nations, or how they will treat British residents themselves if we have near enough close the door to many of their citizens. The reality is immigration has been too fast and too quick, where it has created problems allowing for integration and of course the nations infrastructure, but you also need to get to the root problem of why many came and got jobs, because many companies were crying out for them, because they could not find people to fill all low paid and skilled jobs. A great number come well over qualifies and many here also have skilled jobs also. The sad reality is though the immigrants are cast and used by UKIP as a means to promote fear, when we should tackle the root cause in the first place.

I do not hate UKIP Sphinx, I just think they are a joke, formed from fear and prejudice. Even today this made me laugh how again thy were throwing out their dummies.

Ukip Tries To Shut Down Comedy Tour Called 'Stop Ukip' By Jonny And The Baptists

Ukip is suffering from a serious sense of humour failure – engaging in a battle to stop a comedy duo from touring.

Despite Nigel Farage insisting politicians should "let people tell their jokes," The Stop Ukip Comedy Tour has been inundated with complaints from party supporters targeting venues.

Ukip's deputy leader Paul Nuttal has condemned the "distasteful satire", calling on the Arts Council to investigate funding given to theatres hosting the act.

"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and Ukip is very much the party of free speech but I think it is wrong that taxpayers money is being used to back this production."

The pair have received no funding for their tour apart from ticket sales, the website Chortle reported.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/03/08/ukip-comedy-tour_n_4925508.html?utm_hp_ref=ukip

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:15 pm

Didge the only one throwing gobbledegook is you as you once again desperately try to obfuscate things from your superior position of "ignore any rules you have signed up for you dont like because they will not be enforced".

UKIP know immigration is the governments fault - that is why they are using the political process to try and change that.

UKIP does not blame people for doing what they are allowed to do - namely it does not blame immigrants for coming here. Nor does it blame companies for employing the cheapest labour. It understands that the only way to solve the problem (and it is a problem) is to change the rules.
Any situation which sees more workers competing for less jobs results in wage suppression - no company is going to pay £7 an hour when there are people willing to take £6.50 and no unemployed worker is going to hold out for £7 when there are 10 others who will do it for £6.50. Population increase results in more workers per available job. Immigration results in population increase.

I have already answered you points about "what will europe do the UK expatriates elsewhere and your constance scare mongering simply continues to prove how objectionable the EU is because if it was a half way decent organization nobody would be imagining it doing the things you suggest UKIP is not prepared for.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:36 pm

sphinx wrote:Didge the only one throwing gobbledegook is you as you once again desperately try to obfuscate things from your superior position of "ignore any rules you have signed up for you dont like because they will not be enforced".
Bless attack me, not my points, showing again the views UKIP have, are a fear based prejudice

UKIP know immigration is the governments fault - that is why they are using the political process to try and change that.
Really, so if jobs were not given to immigrants, then would there be more immigrants here today?
All that happened was that there is no restriction of moment within the EU, they still had to be given a job, something that goes above your head. So does it really matter if immigrants come or go when filling 10 low skilled vacancies, or just like in the majority of 2000 to 2008 period, many companies were having difficulties filling these roles, clearly showing there was demand for them. Thus root cause, wage, wrong work ethic to do low paid jobs ect, there are many, but you fail to see what led to this influx of immgrants

UKIP does not blame people for doing what they are allowed to do - namely it does not blame immigrants for coming here. Nor does it blame companies for employing the cheapest labour. It understands that the only way to solve the problem (and it is a problem) is to change the rules.
No you also have to change the ethos of many people as well, because you will still end up back to square one again, when companies have difficulties filling these low paid vacant roles, something again showing you really do not understand the root cause. WE can also change the laws within the EU and we can also ignore the laws as we do so on many others, but negotiation is best

Any situation which sees more workers competing for less jobs results in wage suppression - no company is going to pay £7 an hour when there are people willing to take £6.50 and no unemployed worker is going to hold out for £7 when there are 10 others who will do it for £6.50. Population increase results in more workers per available job. Immigration results in population increase.
It was never about competing as it is today, back when there was many in employment, they could not find enough people to fill these vacancies, and the same will happened again if the economy grows and unemployment falls. You are also wrong on how companies decide how to pay, they have to pay the minimum. Yes immigration results in population increase, but without it we will have a problem with an ageing population increase leaving huge problem for the future being as many are living longer

I have already answered you points about "what will europe do the UK expatriates elsewhere and your constance scare mongering simply continues to prove how objectionable the EU is because if it was a half way decent organization nobody would be imagining it doing the things you suggest UKIP is not prepared for.

You see that shows how bad and dangerous it is to think UKIP are good, you claimed to have answered something which we have no idea what will happen with each EU nation on what they will do, or how the whole EU will act as a whole, of how other nations and companies will have contingencies which because of actions taken within the EU, would lead them to leave Britain.
Who said the EU was good? Never did, what is important is though to be a part of that which gives Britain a stronger voice and advantageous ability to trade further.The reality is again we do not have to abide by EU laws, we already do not with benefit tests for example, this is against EU Law and what has happened Sphinx to Britain for this?

Nothing

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:51 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
sphinx wrote:Didge the only one throwing gobbledegook is you as you once again desperately try to obfuscate things from your superior position of "ignore any rules you have signed up for you dont like because they will not be enforced".
Bless attack me, not my points, showing again the views UKIP have, are a fear based prejudice

UKIP know immigration is the governments fault - that is why they are using the political process to try and change that.
Really, so if jobs were not given to immigrants, then would there be more immigrants here today?
All that happened was that there is no restriction of moment within the EU, they still had to be given a job, something that goes above your head. So does it really matter if immigrants come or go when filling 10 low skilled vacancies, or just like in the majority of 2000 to 2008 period, many companies were having difficulties filling these roles, clearly showing there was demand for them. Thus root cause, wage, wrong work ethic to do low paid jobs ect, there are many, but you fail to see what led to this influx of immgrants

UKIP does not blame people for doing what they are allowed to do - namely it does not blame immigrants for coming here. Nor does it blame companies for employing the cheapest labour. It understands that the only way to solve the problem (and it is a problem) is to change the rules.
No you also have to change the ethos of many people as well, because you will still end up back to square one again, when companies have difficulties filling these low paid vacant roles, something again showing you really do not understand the root cause. WE can also change the laws within the EU and we can also ignore the laws as we do so on many others, but negotiation is best

Any situation which sees more workers competing for less jobs results in wage suppression - no company is going to pay £7 an hour when there are people willing to take £6.50 and no unemployed worker is going to hold out for £7 when there are 10 others who will do it for £6.50. Population increase results in more workers per available job. Immigration results in population increase.
It was never about competing as it is today, back when there was many in employment, they could not find enough people to fill these vacancies, and the same will happened again if the economy grows and unemployment falls. You are also wrong on how companies decide how to pay, they have to pay the minimum. Yes immigration results in population increase, but without it we will have a problem with an ageing population increase leaving huge problem for the future being as many are living longer

I have already answered you points about "what will europe do the UK expatriates elsewhere and your constance scare mongering simply continues to prove how objectionable the EU is because if it was a half way decent organization nobody would be imagining it doing the things you suggest UKIP is not prepared for.

You see that shows how bad and dangerous it is to think UKIP are good, you claimed to have answered something which we have no idea what will happen with each EU nation on what they will do, or how the whole EU will act as a whole, of how other nations and companies will have contingencies which because of actions taken within the EU, would lead them to leave Britain.
Who said the EU was good? Never did, what is important is though to be a part of that which gives Britain a stronger voice and advantageous ability to trade further.The reality is again we do not have to abide by EU laws, we already do not with benefit tests for example, this is against EU Law and what has happened Sphinx to Britain for this?

Nothing

Are you sure?

Again you demonstrate that attitude

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:55 pm

We already have changed the laws, again benefit testing, this is law, but not EU law. Others are also different, many others are made in line with EU laws, so I just demonstrated again (already showed this in the last post) that we not only change but ignore EU law, as many other EU nations do the same

DOH

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:08 pm

PhilDidge wrote:We already have changed the laws, again benefit testing, this is law, but not EU law. Others are also different, many others are made in line with EU laws, so I just demonstrated again (already showed this in the last post) that we not only change but ignore EU law, as many other EU nations do the same

DOH

http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php/video/films

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:12 pm

Oh so a claim now from a video, which no national newspaper has taken up, how very odd indeed.
Again the claim being made has little bearing on my points

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:15 pm

PhilDidge wrote:Oh so a claim now from a video, which no national newspaper has taken up, how very odd indeed.
Again the claim being made has little bearing on my points

I suggest you watch the video because it lists the relevant documents and the relevant parts of those documents that explain the legal situation.

It also explains why national newspapers do not touch it although you will no doubt ignore that. Watch it, research the documents yourself, then bury your head in the sand and ignore it like so many others do.

by Irn Bru Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:22 pm

sphinx wrote:I think they have already proved a decisive force - they are causing the other parties to make changes that were not intended like David Cameron change from and absolute no referendum to promising one, like getting the topic of immigration talked about.

The thing that amuses me about so many of the haters is if you dont mention party name and ask them what policies they would like to see the ones they describe are so often the ones offered by UKIP - too many people judge UKIP as a party on what they hear and read in the media and like yourself have never "met" real UKIP - which is why I suggest you go and try it because I have also met those who did meet UKIP for the first time and found it a revelation.

You're first paragraph is spot on. The second one is not unless UKIP can not just come up with clear policies and explain how they are going to implement them and where leaving the EU will leave us in relation to our trading position. I don't really want your opinion - I want to see the detailed policies.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:25 pm

sphinx wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:Oh so a claim now from a video, which no national newspaper has taken up, how very odd indeed.
Again the claim being made has little bearing on my points

I suggest you watch the video because it lists the relevant documents and the relevant parts of those documents that explain the legal situation.

It also explains why national newspapers do not touch it although you will no doubt ignore that. Watch it, research the documents yourself, then bury your head in the sand and ignore it like so many others do.

I have watched it before and again where is the media on this Sphinx, and only 7778 people have watched it, even though it has been out nearly a year?
Behave, the media would be on it like a flash if the video was true, thankfully I am not as gullible as you and proved you were wrong , because the only people that enforce EU laws, is the current Governments at any given time. We as seen already ignore EU rulings

Well clearly the vast majority of he nation do not share your views on this video, so really you need to be asking yourself why you have been easily led

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:30 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
sphinx wrote:I think they have already proved a decisive force - they are causing the other parties to make changes that were not intended like David Cameron change from and absolute no referendum to promising one, like getting the topic of immigration talked about.

The thing that amuses me about so many of the haters is if you dont mention party name and ask them what policies they would like to see the ones they describe are so often the ones offered by UKIP - too many people judge UKIP as a party on what they hear and read in the media and like yourself have never "met" real UKIP - which is why I suggest you go and try it because I have also met those who did meet UKIP for the first time and found it a revelation.

You're first paragraph is spot on. The second one is not unless UKIP can not just come up with clear policies and explain how they are going to implement them and where leaving the EU will leave us in relation to our trading position. I don't really want your opinion - I want to see the detailed policies.

Hi Irn

100% agreed, it is all well and good having good ideas, but pointless if you do not have viable policies to implement them, even more so financially. The public, of which little has been said or stated, need to understand the pro's and con's of staying or leaving.

by Irn Bru Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:38 pm

PhilDidge wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:
sphinx wrote:I think they have already proved a decisive force - they are causing the other parties to make changes that were not intended like David Cameron change from and absolute no referendum to promising one, like getting the topic of immigration talked about.

The thing that amuses me about so many of the haters is if you dont mention party name and ask them what policies they would like to see the ones they describe are so often the ones offered by UKIP - too many people judge UKIP as a party on what they hear and read in the media and like yourself have never "met" real UKIP - which is why I suggest you go and try it because I have also met those who did meet UKIP for the first time and found it a revelation.

You're first paragraph is spot on. The second one is not unless UKIP can not just come up with clear policies and explain how they are going to implement them and where leaving the EU will leave us in relation to our trading position. I don't really want your opinion - I want to see the detailed policies.

Hi Irn

100% agreed, it is all well and good having good ideas, but pointless if you do not have viable policies to implement them, even more so financially. The public, of which little has been said or stated, need to understand the pro's and con's of staying or leaving.

They do indeed Didge and so far all we get from UKIP is we'll do this and we'll do that but they don't explain how they will do it in any great detail.

Trade in particular is vital to our economy and from what I've seen from them so far is nothing of any substance and we could really end up in a disaster

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:50 pm

I know you have no reason to believe but - the figures for those are constantly changing and UKIP are monitoring and projecting - and the precise policies and figures will be detailed at some point after the Euro elections because the exit is not relevant to those elections (at least UKIP seem to understand that it seems no one else does)

Your wishes will come true some when later in the year.

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