Lewes UKIP councillor says businesses should have power to turn away women and gay people

 ::zomb:: 


A UKIP councillor believes business owners should be allowed to refuse to serve women and gay people.

Donna Edmunds, a Lewes district councillor and MEP candidate for the South East, said business people should be allowed to refuse service to anyone they want for whatever reason they want.

Responding to a post on an internet forum Coun Edmunds said they should be allowed to refuse service, including because a customer is gay or a woman.

She had been asked to state whether she supported remarks by Henley-on-Thames UKIP councillor David Silvester who said the floods this winter had been caused by the Government’s support for gay marriage.

After saying she did not agree with her party colleague, she added: “I believe that all business owners, Christian, Muslim, gay, straight, should be allowed to withhold their services from whomever that choose whenever they choose.

“It’s their business. Why should they be forced to serve or sell to anyone?”

When asked by The Argus to clarify her statement the EU election hopeful said it would be ok for a shop owner to refuse to serve her based on no other fact than she was a woman, or if service was refused to a gay person.

She said: “I’m a libertarian so I don’t think the state should have a role on who business owners serve.

“I wouldn’t refuse to serve gay people. I’m not saying their position is a correct one. I’m saying they should be free to make that choice themselves.”

This is not the first time the Lewes councillor has garnered controversy after making statements online.

In 2011 she was forced to stand down from her role as lead councillor for communications in Lewes after labelling a constituent a “village idiot” on Twitter.

Before that she was criticised after telling a constituent to “pay your taxes to die of cancer if that’s what you want” during an online row about the NHS.

Nigel Carter, chairman of Brighton and Hove UKIP, said any action to be taken against the councillor within the party would be taken at a higher level but said her views did not represent the majority of those involved with UKIP.

James Ledward, editor of Brighton-based GScene magazine, described the views as “horrendous”.

He said: “I’m flabbergasted. There is no place for views like this is 2014.

“It is worrying because with proportional representation in the European elections someone like this could get in.

“It’s all well and good getting the government legislation through but we have to win the hearts and minds of people like this. It’s clear there is still work to do.”

The Argus


http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/ukip/article/3477/lewes-ukip-councillor-says-businesses-should-have-power-to-turn-away-women-and-gay-pe

     Yet another example of the awful people these fascists attract.

@Tess
this is true RW. currently called Libertarian but is pretty much the same as Fascism       

the belief that Businesses should have more rights than the Person/Customer.

It is a very simplistic view of the way modern businesses work were the owner is also the server. Trying to give corporations 'personal freedoms' so they can deny freedoms to Actual people.     

I say if the corporations want the 'personal freedoms' individuals get, then corporations should pay personal tax on top of corporate tax.     

UKIP keep on and on saying they are not nutters and keep on and on producing nutters!

What a stupid woman!

I agree, and anybody else they don't want.

And they already do have that power - it's called the hiring process.

Right so M&S - big respected business - gives its Muslim employees the right to refuse to serve people on the grounds of what those people are buying.

Then this woman says that freedom should be extended to all businesses.

sphinx wrote:Right so M&S - big respected business - gives its Muslim employees the right to refuse to serve people on the grounds of what those people are buying.

Then this woman says that freedom should be extended to all businesses.

No they don't, the woman concerned was not hired for that area but for clothes. M&S said so.

Sassy wrote:

sphinx wrote:Right so M&S - big respected business - gives its Muslim employees the right to refuse to serve people on the grounds of what those people are buying.

Then this woman says that freedom should be extended to all businesses.

No they don't, the woman concerned was not hired for that area but for clothes.   M&S said so.

If that is how you want to remember it going down.

I was turned away from icici bank not so long ago - I think it's an Indian bank - went in with my wife - feck me were we made to feel unwelcome.

sphinx wrote:

Sassy wrote:

No they don't, the woman concerned was not hired for that area but for clothes.   M&S said so.

If that is how you want to remember it going down.

That's because it's the truth.

Perhaps you object to Jewish people not having to work on a Saturday because of their faith Sphinx:

http://www.bod.org.uk/content/Employment.pdf

Seen this in the paper ..that is what UKIP would bring to the good people of Britain, outspoken loons desperate for whatever ' headlines' they can grab....

Oh, oh oh me miss>>>hand in the air.

Silly cow of a woman.

Sassy wrote:Perhaps you object to Jewish people not having to work on a Saturday because of their faith Sphinx:

http://www.bod.org.uk/content/Employment.pdf

I don't think we need worry about the Jews - they're kept on a very tight leash by their leaders.

I believe all businesses should have the right to refuse sale to anyone they please, that would be equality..

wondered what she said in context, i knew the smear campaign would begin...

heavenly father wrote:I believe all businesses should have the right to refuse sale to anyone they please, that would be equality..

wondered what she said in context, i knew the smear campaign would begin...

Does that include refusing to serve all bible bashers Favva?

Whatever happened to "the management reserves the right to..."

Joy Division wrote:

heavenly father wrote:I believe all businesses should have the right to refuse sale to anyone they please, that would be equality..

wondered what she said in context, i knew the smear campaign would begin...

Does that include refusing to serve all bible bashers Favva?

absolutely, unlike some here i believe in equality, equal rights for all, so the right to refuse sale would be the right to refuse sale to whomever the business wishes..

BigAndy9 wrote:Whatever happened to "the management reserves the right to..."

...can you imagine the amount of claims for discrimination Andy?..they would go ahead regardless of policy..

Then you RW would be greeting about that and the costs to the businesses which would put them out of business...

Ive never heard anything so fucking stupid as what that halfwit UKIP woman has suggested.


I don't want this country to be controlled by senseless idiots like that.

BigAndy9 wrote:Whatever happened to "the management reserves the right to..."

the minorities bitched and yelled, it's funny how the tail can make the dog wag..

heavenly father wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


Does that include refusing to serve all bible bashers Favva?

absolutely, unlike some here i believe in equality, equal rights for all, so the right to refuse sale would be the right to refuse sale to whomever the business wishes..

...and just on the whim that staff refuse to sell them for no obvious reason?

If every shop in the UK refused to sell you or anyone you knew food items, are you saying you would not feel discriminated against?

Joy Division wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:Whatever happened to "the management reserves the right to..."

...can you imagine the amount of claims for discrimination Andy?..they would go ahead regardless of policy..

Then you RW would be greeting about that and the costs to the businesses which would put them out of business...

Ive never heard anything so fucking stupid as what that halfwit UKIP woman has suggested.


I don't want this country to be controlled by senseless idiots like that.

But it would take one law from Parliament saying "any business has the right to..."

In fact - when did this law change? I didn't see or hear of it.

Joy Division wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

absolutely, unlike some here i believe in equality, equal rights for all, so the right to refuse sale would be the right to refuse sale to whomever the business wishes..

...and just on the whim that staff refuse to sell them for no obvious reason?

If every shop in the UK refused to sell you or anyone you  knew food items, are you saying you would not feel discriminated against?

equality is either that or it is not, if they wish to refuse sale they should be able to...

businesses survive by selling to people, so they would not stay open long if they decided to often to refuse sale..

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...can you imagine the amount of claims for discrimination Andy?..they would go ahead regardless of policy..

Then you RW would be greeting about that and the costs to the businesses which would put them out of business...

Ive never heard anything so fucking stupid as what that halfwit UKIP woman has suggested.


I don't want this country to be controlled by senseless idiots like that.

But it would take one law from Parliament saying "any business has the right to..."

In fact - when did this law change?  I didn't see or hear of it.

i always thought it was law yet the gays must have moaned which is so unlike them..

I just typed out a response dealing with the underlying thing on discrimination - and realized it was firstly going in a different direction at a different level from the main thread and was worthy of a thread in its own right - so I went to create a new thread here.

I then decided as I was exploring rather a long way from what some people think is acceptable it was not a good idea as it would just result in lots of abuse being thrown by people who do want to even consider thinking about the possibility I suggest may be the case - so I put it in a place avoided by those who are not prepared to think about things that make them uncomfortable - its on ADO.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...can you imagine the amount of claims for discrimination Andy?..they would go ahead regardless of policy..

Then you RW would be greeting about that and the costs to the businesses which would put them out of business...

Ive never heard anything so fucking stupid as what that halfwit UKIP woman has suggested.


I don't want this country to be controlled by senseless idiots like that.

But it would take one law from Parliament saying "any business has the right to..."

In fact - when did this law change?  I didn't see or hear of it.

http://www.th-eu-nit.com/index.php/video/films

sphinx wrote:I just typed out a response dealing with the underlying thing on discrimination - and realized it was firstly going in a different direction at a different level  from the main thread and was worthy of a thread in its own right - so I went to create a new thread here.

I then decided as I was exploring rather a long way from what some people think is acceptable it was not a good idea as it would just result in lots of abuse being thrown by people who do want to even consider thinking about the possibility I suggest may be the case - so I put it in a place avoided by those who are not prepared to think about things that make them uncomfortable - its on ADO.

...I was almost tempted to look there Sphinx, and tbh some aspects of your forum were excellent in the past, bar the severe bias...and that would again be directed at me should I offer up either my opinion ..or plain simple logic as in rubbishing this UKIP Counsellors proposals.

I know I would be a target in a few ways again,,,especially once a certain posse of people joined.  

and you stay here because of the severe bias of other forums....

          

Joy Division wrote:

sphinx wrote:I just typed out a response dealing with the underlying thing on discrimination - and realized it was firstly going in a different direction at a different level  from the main thread and was worthy of a thread in its own right - so I went to create a new thread here.

I then decided as I was exploring rather a long way from what some people think is acceptable it was not a good idea as it would just result in lots of abuse being thrown by people who do want to even consider thinking about the possibility I suggest may be the case - so I put it in a place avoided by those who are not prepared to think about things that make them uncomfortable - its on ADO.

...I was almost tempted to look there Sphinx, and tbh some aspects of your forum were excellent in the past, bar the severe bias...and that would again be directed at me should I offer up either my opinion ..or  plain simple logic as in rubbishing this UKIP Counsellors proposals.

I know I would be a target in a few ways again,,,especially once a certain posse of people joined.  

And that is exactly why I posted it there and not here JD.

heavenly father wrote:and you stay here because of the severe bias of o


ther forums....

          

..many forums have bias ,some just more than others.

sphinx wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


...I was almost tempted to look there Sphinx, and tbh some aspects of your forum were excellent in the past, bar the severe bias...and that would again be directed at me should I offer up either my opinion ..or  plain simple logic as in rubbishing this UKIP Counsellors proposals.

I know I would be a target in a few ways again,,,especially once a certain posse of people joined.  

And that is exactly why I posted it there and not here JD.

I have to go out later on, but will have a little Bo-peep at that then Sphinx. ::D:: 

Joy Division wrote:

sphinx wrote:

And that is exactly why I posted it there and not here JD.

I have to go out later on, but will have a little Bo-peep at that then Sphinx. ::D:: 

I would rather you didnt

Joy Division wrote:

heavenly father wrote:and you stay here because of the severe bias of o


ther forums....

          

..many forums have bias ,some just more than others.

sphinx was not bias at all on ADO - she took no actions on my behalf.

She didn't need to - she gave me access to all PM's and the admin login so I could do it myself.

So leave her alone!

Dont encourage him

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


..many forums have bias ,some just more than others.

sphinx was not bias at all on ADO - she took no actions on my behalf.

She didn't need to - she gave me access to all PM's and the admin login so I could do it myself.

So leave her alone!

     nothing would surprise me...

Can you discriminate against yourself?