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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:32 am

Boris Johnson, Prof Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Adviser, will give a press conference on today in which the Prime Minister is expected to announce he has accepted his chief medical officers' advice and the rollout for 12- to 15-year-olds will begin as soon as next week.
One pfizer dose will be given.

Parental consent will be needed, but children can override the parents decision if they are deemed competent.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/12-year-olds-able-to-defy-parents-and-get-covid-jab-if-e2-80-98competent-e2-80-99-to-make-decision/ar-AAOq1X1?ocid=uxbndlbing

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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:53 am

This would be a difficult one for me if I was in the position to decide whether a young child of mine was to be vaccinated.

My grandson was offered and took the AZ vaccine very early on (he works for the NHS) it was only later the AZ was not recommended for young people, he had no ill effects, but it was worrying at the time.

There is scant research on the effects this new vaccine will have on young children.
It is known however that though young children can spread the virus, the chance of them being ill with it is miniscule.

So far, from the info known, I think I would hold back, but I would give my child weekly tests rather than the vaccination.

If the booster jabs are rolled out quickly, and HAD the covid passports been mandatory not only for certain employments but for admittance to social events, I think that would be a safer bet at controlling the virus.

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Post by Original Quill Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:33 pm

Fully 25% of all new cases in the US are children under the age of 10. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, as of September 9th, nearly 5.3 million children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic.

Over 243,000 cases were added the past week, the second highest number of child cases in a week since the pandemic began. After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with nearly 500,000 cases in the past 2 weeks.

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:38 pm




Male children are 6 times more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine than they are to get seriously ill from the virus.


And most kids have already had the virus by now anyway, so have natural immunity.


Giving this to children is sinister.



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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:44 pm

An ONS spokesperson has said today that an estimated 50% of children in the UK has had the virus.
Where do you get your figures from that 'most' kids have had the virus?

I don't think there is any dispute that kids generally don't get ill with the virus.
They can obviously spread it to more vulnerable people, and they do have to quarantine if they get it.


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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 4:47 pm

Original Quill wrote:Fully 25% of all new cases in the US are children under the age of 10.  According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, as of September 9th, nearly 5.3 million children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic.

Over 243,000 cases were added the past week, the second highest number of child cases in a week since the pandemic began. After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with nearly 500,000 cases in the past 2 weeks.

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

Are children being offered the jab in the US?
For the over 50's here, a booster jab is being offered in the next week or so, starting with the oldest, the most vulnerable, and front line care workers.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:16 pm

Syl wrote:An ONS spokesperson has said today that an estimated 50% of children in the UK has had the virus.
Where do you get your figures from that 'most' kids have had the virus?

I don't think there is any dispute that kids generally don't get ill with the virus.
They can obviously spread it to more vulnerable people, and they do have to quarantine if they get it.




I've already explained my thinking on the figures of UK population that have already had it.


All the vulnerable are already vaccinated.


A child has more chance of being seriously ill or dying from the vaccine than from getting covid.



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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:58 pm

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Syl wrote:An ONS spokesperson has said today that an estimated 50% of children in the UK has had the virus.
Where do you get your figures from that  'most' kids have had the virus?

I don't think there is any dispute that kids generally don't get ill with the virus.
They can obviously spread it to more vulnerable people, and they do have to quarantine if they get it.




I've already explained my thinking on the figures of UK population that have already had it.


All the vulnerable are already vaccinated.


A child has more chance of being seriously ill or dying from the vaccine than from getting covid.



Your thinking doesn't tally with all the official data and figures.

Your last sentence is also unproven. If there has been just ONE covid vaccination death in a child under 15 can you show proof?
A child of 4 did die recently after catching covid from an unvaccinated parent.

Here is info for and against vaccination for children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/14/uk-covid-vaccinations-for-children-aged-12-15-what-you-need-to-know

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Post by Original Quill Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:24 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Fully 25% of all new cases in the US are children under the age of 10.  According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, as of September 9th, nearly 5.3 million children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic.

Over 243,000 cases were added the past week, the second highest number of child cases in a week since the pandemic began. After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with nearly 500,000 cases in the past 2 weeks.

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

Are children being offered the jab in the US?
For the over 50's here, a booster jab is being offered in the next week or so, starting with the oldest, the most vulnerable, and front line care workers.

Not yet. The FDA hasn't approved the vaccine for under 12-year old's. Nevertheless, the southern governors (same ones) have been blocking masks and social distancing, insisting on open schools and mandatory attendance, on the basis of individual rights...even though it's the collective population that suffers the spread.

These are states that keep producing Republican governors and legislators, so as long as they are only jeopardizing their own voters, who keep putting them in office, I guess there's no harm. In a Darwinian sense, it improves the lot of 'em by turning the voting population Democratic.

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Post by Maddog Tue Sep 14, 2021 6:57 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Fully 25% of all new cases in the US are children under the age of 10.  According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, as of September 9th, nearly 5.3 million children have tested positive for COVID-19 since the onset of the pandemic.

Over 243,000 cases were added the past week, the second highest number of child cases in a week since the pandemic began. After declining in early summer, child cases have increased exponentially, with nearly 500,000 cases in the past 2 weeks.

https://www.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/children-and-covid-19-state-level-data-report/

Are children being offered the jab in the US?
For the over 50's here, a booster jab is being offered in the next week or so, starting with the oldest, the most vulnerable, and front line care workers.

Yes, 12 and up for awhile now. 5 and up will be coming next month they say.


And boosters have been going on arms for a month now.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:01 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:



I've already explained my thinking on the figures of UK population that have already had it.


All the vulnerable are already vaccinated.


A child has more chance of being seriously ill or dying from the vaccine than from getting covid.



Your thinking doesn't tally with all the official data and figures.

Your last sentence is also unproven. If there has been just ONE covid vaccination death in a child under 15 can you show proof?
A child of 4 did die recently after catching covid from an unvaccinated parent.

Here is info for and against vaccination for children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/14/uk-covid-vaccinations-for-children-aged-12-15-what-you-need-to-know



My thinking is based solely on the official figures of actual confirmed tested cases.


And you might want to read up on vaccines being more dangerous for children, especially male children, than catching covid.


Myocarditis is 6 times more likely in boys than getting seriously ill or dying from covid.




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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:

Your thinking doesn't tally with all the official data and figures.

Your last sentence is also unproven. If there has been just ONE covid vaccination death in a child under 15 can you show proof?
A child of 4 did die recently after catching covid from an unvaccinated parent.

Here is info for and against vaccination for children.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/14/uk-covid-vaccinations-for-children-aged-12-15-what-you-need-to-know



My thinking is based solely on the official figures of actual confirmed tested cases.


And you might want to read up on vaccines being more dangerous for children, especially male children, than catching covid.


Myocarditis is 6 times more likely in bits than getting seriously ill or dying from covid.



Two jabs are not being given to male children, only one.

In every million Pfizer second doses given to boys between 12 and 17, around 60 had the condition (compared with eight in a million among girls), the study shows.

However another study shows that Covid might be six times more likely to cause myocarditis in young men than the vaccine.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/what-is-myocarditis-symptoms-explained-and-what-jcvi-said-about-link-with-covid-vaccine-in-children/ar-AAOqrIe?ocid=uxbndlbing

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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:41 pm

Thanks Maddog and Quill for answering my question...though your answers contradict each other somewhat. Laughing

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Post by HoratioTarr Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:07 pm

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Male children are 6 times more likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine than they are to get seriously ill from the virus.


And most kids have already had the virus by now anyway, so have natural immunity.


Giving this to children is sinister.



It's foolish. I think giving children adult decisions too young is a recipe for disaster. They might look older than 12, some young girls of that age look 20 FFS! But they are not emotionally equipped to truly process it. With age comes wisdom. Kids think they have that, and some are older than their years than others but they all still have an underdeveloped frontal lobe.

The list of child soldiers in Africa will make your blood curdle. And they were ruthless. They would kill, mutilate and torture you on whim. They knew no better because their brains weren't developed enough to be rational and compassionate and there is a greater psychological malleability of children relative to adults, which makes them easier to control, deceive and indoctrinate.

Also, there is nothing more cruel than a child. It's not their fault. But there's a reason for that. So, giving them life changing responsibilities? That's a no from me.
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Post by Maddog Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:40 pm

Syl wrote:Thanks Maddog and Quill for answering my question...though your answers contradict each other somewhat. Laughing

Well, he did say that 12 year olds were getting the shot, but kids are not. Guess he considers them adults.

And of course he went off on a completely unrelated tangent too.

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Post by Original Quill Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:30 pm

Syl wrote:Thanks Maddog and Quill for answering my question...though your answers contradict each other somewhat. Laughing

No, they don’t. Red identifies “12 and up” have been approved for vaccines, while I state the vaccine “hasn't approved the vaccine for under 12-year old's”. Under or over…the cutoff is 12-years old.

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Syl wrote:Are children being offered the jab in the US?



Quill wrote:Not yet.


Maddog wrote:Yes, 12 and up for awhile now

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Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:Are children being offered the jab in the US?

Quill wrote:Not yet.

Maddog wrote:Yes, 12 and up for awhile now

Original Quill wrote:Not yet. The FDA hasn't approved the vaccine for under 12-year old's. Nevertheless, the southern governors (same ones) have been blocking masks and social distancing, insisting on open schools and mandatory attendance, on the basis of individual rights...even though it's the collective population that suffers the spread.


Fuckin' liar.  Evil or Very Mad  Typical Jim Crow.  Lie, Lie, Deceive, Lie.

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Post by Syl Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:46 pm

You both agreed that 12 and overs were already being vaccinated.
I misread Quills answer, so moving on....

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Syl wrote:You both agreed that 12 and overs were already being vaccinated.
I misread Quills answer, so moving on....

OK, "not yet" means the same as "yes".

My bad. Cool

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Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:You both agreed that 12 and overs were already being vaccinated.
I misread Quills answer, so moving on....

OK, "not yet" means the same as "yes".

My bad. Cool

I'm trying to keep the peace here....go with it. Wink

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Post by Syl Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:26 pm

This is the order in which the booster jabs will be given in the UK.
The booster jab could be given the same time as the flu jab.

Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers

All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers

All those 75 years of age and over

All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals

All those 65 years of age and over

All individuals aged 16 to 64 with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality

All those 60 years of age and over

All those 55 years of age and over

All those 50 years of age and over



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/who-will-get-covid-booster-jabs-vaccine-priority-groups-1-9-explained-and-when-to-get-the-third-shot/ar-AAOrgZR?ocid=msedgntp

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Post by Maddog Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:40 pm

Syl wrote:This is the order in which the booster jabs will be given in the UK.
The booster jab could be given the same time as the flu jab.

Residents in a care home for older adults and their carers

All those 80 years of age and over and frontline health and social care workers

All those 75 years of age and over

All those 70 years of age and over and clinically extremely vulnerable individuals

All those 65 years of age and over

All individuals aged 16 to 64 with underlying health conditions which put them at higher risk of serious disease and mortality

All those 60 years of age and over

All those 55 years of age and over

All those 50 years of age and over



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/who-will-get-covid-booster-jabs-vaccine-priority-groups-1-9-explained-and-when-to-get-the-third-shot/ar-AAOrgZR?ocid=msedgntp

I'm pretty sure we're on the second dose for cats and dogs that want them.

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Post by Original Quill Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:14 pm

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Syl wrote:You both agreed that 12 and overs were already being vaccinated.
I misread Quills answer, so moving on....

OK, "not yet" means the same as "yes".

My bad. Cool

Dumb ninny...that's not the focus of your deception.  You miscast the denotation of 'children' to mean 12 and up, rather than what I defined 'children' to be...12 and under.  You did that deliberately so that you could put words in my mouth, which I never intended.

The reason why I mentioned Jim Crow, is this is exactly the type of thing that southerners do to create ambiguities in law so as to perpetuate segregation.  For example, the State of Texas has just past a law prohibiting blacks/Hispanics from voting, calling it "voter integrity", instead of what it is...voter suppression.  You're well-practiced in this type of lying, I see.

"My bad" doesn't cut it. It was a lie to begin with, and Syl called you out on it. Then you lie in the cover up! That's not truth...that's avoidance.

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Maddog wrote:

OK, "not yet" means the same as "yes".

My bad. Cool

Dumb ninny...that's not the focus of your deception.  You miscast the denotation of 'children' to mean 12 and up, rather than what I defined 'children' to be...12 and under.  You did that deliberately so that you could put words in my mouth, which I never intended.

The reason why I mentioned Jim Crow, is this is exactly the type of thing that southerners do to create ambiguities in law so as to perpetuate segregation.  For example, the State of Texas has just past a law prohibiting blacks/Hispanics from voting, calling it "voter integrity", instead of what it is...voter suppression.  You're well-practiced in this type of lying, I see.

"My bad" doesn't cut it.  It was a lie to begin with, and Syl called you out on it.  Then you lie in the cover up!  That's not truth...that's avoidance.

Start dating a 13 year old and tell me how the law defines that person..

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Post by Original Quill Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:52 pm

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Dumb ninny...that's not the focus of your deception.  You miscast the denotation of 'children' to mean 12 and up, rather than what I defined 'children' to be...12 and under.  You did that deliberately so that you could put words in my mouth, which I never intended.

The reason why I mentioned Jim Crow, is this is exactly the type of thing that southerners do to create ambiguities in law so as to perpetuate segregation.  For example, the State of Texas has just past a law prohibiting blacks/Hispanics from voting, calling it "voter integrity", instead of what it is...voter suppression.  You're well-practiced in this type of lying, I see.

"My bad" doesn't cut it.  It was a lie to begin with, and Syl called you out on it.  Then you lie in the cover up!  That's not truth...that's avoidance.

Start dating a 13 year old and tell me how the law defines that person..

WTF are you prattling on about?  The fundamental issue is vaccinations of children 12 and under...not dating.  Physicians are looking at physical changes, not checking driver's licenses.

If you are trying to justify putting 12 - 19-year old's into the category of children, well...good luck.  The issue is post-pubescent physiological change, not as with the age of majority, their legal status.  The cut-off for the category of children is the physical changes that occur at that age.

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Are people 12-17 getting the shot?

Are people 12-17 children?

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Maddog wrote:Are people 12-17  getting the shot?

Are people 12-17 children?

Just now you are getting it? I don't think so.

You got it before...now is the cover-up. Twisted Evil

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Are people 12-17 getting the shot?

Are people 12-17 children?

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Post by HoratioTarr Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:20 pm

Maddog wrote:Are people 12-17 getting the shot?

Are people 12-17 children?

Only if you're Shamima Begum.   If you're Greta Thunberg then you're an adult.
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Maddog wrote:Are people 12-17 getting the shot?

Are people 12-17 children?

People from age 12 up are getting this vaccination.

We don't need to define "children" as that is only loose semantics. Such double entendres are only of concern to the Jim Crow's of this world.

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Maddog wrote:Are people 12-17 getting the shot?

Are people 12-17 children?

People from age 12 up are getting this vaccination.

We don't need to define "children" as that is only loose semantics.  Such double entendres are only of concern to the Jim Crow's of this world.

Tell it to the.judge.

Everyone 17 and under is a child in the US.

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Post by Syl Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:37 am

So that's settled then? Rolling Eyes

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Syl wrote:So that's settled then? Rolling Eyes

It was sorta settled by the description of children in the title of this thread. Wink

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Syl wrote:So that's settled then? Rolling Eyes

It was sorta settled by the description of children in the title of this thread.  Wink

What an asinine thing to say. The title doesn't define children. One, it speaks only for the UK. Two, it is merely a designation of vaccination.

In addition to general southern cerebral atrophy, I think you have serious learning disabilities.

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It was sorta settled by the description of children in the title of this thread.  Wink

What an asinine thing to say.  The title doesn't define children.  One, it speaks only for the UK.  Two, it is merely a designation of vaccination.

In addition to general southern cerebral atrophy, I think you have serious learning disabilities.


Children, aged 12-15.



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Here in UK, children cannot even buy energy drinks or paracetamol... They must be 16 to be able to buy these things.



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Here in UK, children cannot even buy energy drinks or paracetamol... They must be 16 to be able to buy these things.

Still, those laws don't define 'children' for all purposes. They only serve the purpose for which the law is intended - generally, based on science and what's appropriate for the age group.

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What an asinine thing to say.  The title doesn't define children.  One, it speaks only for the UK.  Two, it is merely a designation of vaccination.

In addition to general southern cerebral atrophy, I think you have serious learning disabilities.

Children, aged 12-15.

Could be: Children, aged birth to 21. It depends on what the purpose is? Wink

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Here in UK, children cannot even buy energy drinks or paracetamol... They must be 16 to be able to buy these things.

Still, those laws don't define 'children' for all purposes. They only serve the purpose for which the law is intended - generally, based on science and what's appropriate for the age group.


18 is considered as becoming an adult here.


16 is the age of consent (sexually) and they can buy energy drinks and paracetamol, athough they cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol until 18.


Also under 18s are prosecuted as juvenile in court if committed crime.






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Post by Maddog Thu Sep 16, 2021 4:52 pm

Everyone here understands the difference between a child and an adult.

Only one person couldn't figure out that humans 12 years of age are children, not adults.

So again, children are getting vaccinated in the US . Have been for a few months now...

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Still, those laws don't define 'children' for all purposes.  They only serve the purpose for which the law is intended - generally, based on science and what's appropriate for the age group.


18 is considered as becoming an adult here.

16 is the age of consent (sexually) and they can buy energy drinks and paracetamol, athough they cannot buy cigarettes or alcohol until 18.

Also under 18s are prosecuted as juvenile in court if committed crime.

Note that you have to state the contexts in which age is applicable. So, there is no one-size-fits-all definition of 'children', or 'age-of-adultness'. Age is dependent upon what the scientists say is appropriate.

Hence, we cannot say that this discussion is a definition of children for all purposes.

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Perhaps Syl should edit her title to replace children with humans, because one poster isn't sure if humans between 12 and 15 are children...

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Maddog wrote:Perhaps Syl should edit her title to replace children with humans, because one poster isn't sure if humans between 12 and 15 are children...

Or...why don't you conform to the rules of English, and not try to make the thread title fit for all purposes.

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Post by eddie Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:08 pm

Syl wrote:This would be a difficult one for me if I was in the position to decide whether a young child of mine was to be vaccinated.

My grandson was offered and took the AZ vaccine very early on (he works for the NHS) it was only later the AZ was not recommended for young people, he had no ill effects, but it was worrying at the time.

There is scant research on the effects this new vaccine will have on young children.
It is known however that though young children can spread the virus,  the chance of them being ill with it is miniscule.

So far, from the info known, I think I would hold back, but I would give my child weekly tests rather than the vaccination.

If the booster jabs are rolled out quickly, and HAD the covid passports been mandatory not only for certain employments but for admittance to social events, I think that would be a safer bet at controlling the virus.

If you consider the vaccine safe enough for you, why not your child? That makes little sense, Syl.

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Syl wrote:This would be a difficult one for me if I was in the position to decide whether a young child of mine was to be vaccinated.

My grandson was offered and took the AZ vaccine very early on (he works for the NHS) it was only later the AZ was not recommended for young people, he had no ill effects, but it was worrying at the time.

There is scant research on the effects this new vaccine will have on young children.
It is known however that though young children can spread the virus,  the chance of them being ill with it is miniscule.

So far, from the info known, I think I would hold back, but I would give my child weekly tests rather than the vaccination.

If the booster jabs are rolled out quickly, and HAD the covid passports been mandatory not only for certain employments but for admittance to social events, I think that would be a safer bet at controlling the virus.

If you consider the vaccine safe enough for you, why not your child? That makes little sense, Syl.

Different physiologies, eds. Prepubescent children are different, and therefore may or may not have the same immuno-response.

The reason why the cut-off is below 12 years of age, is that is generally considered the threshold of puberty.

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eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:This would be a difficult one for me if I was in the position to decide whether a young child of mine was to be vaccinated.

My grandson was offered and took the AZ vaccine very early on (he works for the NHS) it was only later the AZ was not recommended for young people, he had no ill effects, but it was worrying at the time.

There is scant research on the effects this new vaccine will have on young children.
It is known however that though young children can spread the virus,  the chance of them being ill with it is miniscule.

So far, from the info known, I think I would hold back, but I would give my child weekly tests rather than the vaccination.

If the booster jabs are rolled out quickly, and HAD the covid passports been mandatory not only for certain employments but for admittance to social events, I think that would be a safer bet at controlling the virus.

If you consider the vaccine safe enough for you, why not your child? That makes little sense, Syl.


It's risk vs benefit thinking really...


Children have miniscule risk of getting seriously ill or dying from covid but there are risks from having the vaccine.



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Post by eddie Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:21 pm

Hmmmmmm.....I stand unconvinced of anything much about the vaccine to be honest.

It’s why I cannot be arsed to talk about it, read about it or have it, for the moment.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Children have miniscule risk of getting seriously ill or dying from covid but there are risks from having the vaccine.

But now, as the Delta variant has surged, it's affecting many unvaccinated people — including children under 12 who are too young to be vaccinated.

Since the pandemic began, children have represented 15 - 25 percent of total cases, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/nearly-1-in-4-covid-19-cases-are-in-children-what-that-means-as-the-school-years-starts

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eddie wrote:Hmmmmmm.....I stand unconvinced of anything much about the vaccine to be honest.

It’s why I cannot be arsed to talk about it, read about it or have it, for the moment.

Why, if it puts children at risk, can you not take on the responsibility of learning about it? Surely, you care, do you not?

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