How southern cops go bad when dealing with blacks

Maddog wrote:Why were they rioting in Minnesota last night?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Why were they rioting in Minnesota last night?

Because white cops shot and killed a black man in Brooklyn Center, a suburb of Minneapolis, on a simple traffic stop.  Same old, same old...  White supremacists have infiltrated police ranks.



The difference is, in the north the police command is forthright.

Andy wrote:"Holy shit,I shot him".
No shit Sherlock.
That's what happens when you pull a gun instead of a tazer on a person, then pull the trigger.
White cops shooting black guys seems to be becoming a habit.
https://mol.im/a/9463027

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Because white cops shot and killed a black man in Brooklyn Center, a suburb of Minneapolis, on a simple traffic stop.  Same old, same old...  White supremacists have infiltrated police ranks.



The difference is, in the north the police command is forthright.

Hahaha.

There is no difference.  

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Hahaha.

There is no difference.  

Yes...the difference is that in northern police departments, the command echelon is as surprised as the public that racist cops have infiltrated their ranks.  In the southern Virginia case, it would be expected: they'se uppity nig...ers don't step'nfetchit to an order by a white cop...they die!  But in northern Minneapolis, it surprises everyone.

Since 1/6 we have all realized that there is a problem in all police ranks, with white supremacy intruding and effecting racist killings.  If you hear the speech of the Chief of Police of Brooklyn Center, he is as appalled as the rest of us.  Shows they don't have control of their policemen, and they are sending them out there armed and dangerous.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Yes...the difference is that in northern police departments, the command echelon is as surprised as the public that racist cops have infiltrated their ranks.  In the southern Virginia case, it would be expected: they'se uppity nig...ers don't step'nfetchit to an order by a white cop...they die!  But in northern Minneapolis, it surprises everyone.

Since 1/6 we have all realized that there is a problem in all police ranks, with white supremacy intruding and effecting racist killings.  If you hear the speech of the Chief of Police of Brooklyn Center, he is as appalled as the rest of us.  Shows they don't have control of their policemen, and they are sending them out there armed and dangerous.

There is no difference.

Andy wrote:"Holy shit,I shot him".
No shit Sherlock.
That's what happens when you pull a gun instead of a tazer on a person, then pull the trigger.
White cops shooting black guys seems to be becoming a habit.
https://mol.im/a/9463027

Maddog wrote:There is no difference.  

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:There is no difference.  

You're off on a broken record...we're long gone, onto other things.

Can you answer the last question?  How does a cop confuse a taser with a Glock?

Or is the cop depending on the ignorance/forgetfulness that comes with posters who don't pay attention to political questions?    https://newsfix.niceboard.com/t29678-attention-5-ways-obsession-with-politics-can-ruin-your-life

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You're off on a broken record...we're long gone, onto other things.

Can you answer the last question?  How does a cop confuse a taser with a Glock?

Or is the cop depending on the ignorance/forgetfulness that comes with posters who don't pay attention to political questions?    https://newsfix.niceboard.com/t29678-attention-5-ways-obsession-with-politics-can-ruin-your-life

Cop shouldn't have pulled him over in the first place. Dumb laws increase interactions. More interactions, more problems, more mistakes.

Maddog wrote:How do you know she was carrying a glock?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Cop shouldn't have pulled him over in the first place. Dumb laws increase interactions. More interactions, more problems, more mistakes.

It was racism.

Maddog wrote:How do you know she was carrying a glock?

Don't you follow the news?

Maddog wrote:And I doubt the cop was concerned about what posters here were thinking.  

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It was racism.



Don't you follow the news?

It's a dumb fucking law. Dumb fucking laws get.people killed.

Yes I follow the news.  The typical reporter doesn't know shit about handguns. I haven't heard anyone report what make the handgun was.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:And I doubt the cop was concerned about what posters here were thinking.  

You've got that reversed.  Posters here are trying to say that we should forget details, and ignore political implications.  If they had their way, we would forget all about black lives matter.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

It's a dumb fucking law. Dumb fucking laws get.people killed.

Yes I follow the news.  The typical reporter doesn't know shit about handguns. I haven't heard anyone report what make the handgun was.

You don't follow shit, you dumb ninny.  It's all over the news, how a cop could confuse a taser with a police firearm (which they mention, in passing, was a Glock).

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You don't follow shit, you dumb ninny.  It's all over the news, how a cop could confuse a taser with a police firearm (which they mention, in passing, was a Glock).

OK, it was Glock.  

9mm or .40?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

OK, it was Glock.  

9mm or .40?

I already told you.

Original Quill wrote:This happened on Sunday, in southern Virginia.  A military officer was pulled over for not having a license plate...when he did have a license plate (as shown in video) and the cops just missed it.  The police in America are hostile and provoking black stops...just to show white superiority over blacks...maybe kill one.  The cop calls it in as a "felony stop".  A FELONY for having a license??  It was a ruse, in order to harass, and possibly kill a black.

Cops are conducting a war on black lives.



This is the south.  This is why black men are losing their lives, at the drop of a hat, in southern states.

Andy wrote:Happens in London  as well, but without the guns.
https://mol.im/a/9463303

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:This happened on Sunday, in southern Virginia.  A military officer was pulled over for not having a license plate...when he did have a license plate (as shown in video) and the cops just missed it.  The police in America are hostile and provoking black stops...just to show white superiority over blacks...maybe kill one.  The cop calls it in as a "felony stop".  A FELONY for having a license??  It was a ruse, in order to harass, and possibly kill a black.

Cops are conducting a war on black lives.



This is the south.  This is why black men are losing their lives, at the drop of a hat, in southern states.

That's not nice to watch.

If someone was stopped here, no doubt the cop would simply saunter right up to the window, instead of a gun he would have a notebook and pen in his hand, and he would politely ask the man to roll down his window and produce his driving licence....AFTER informing him of why he was asking in the first place.

I would ask why the man didn't simply follow the orders and get out of his car, but it was pretty obvious why.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

That's not nice to watch.

If someone was stopped here, no doubt the cop would simply saunter right up to the window, instead of a gun he would have a notebook and pen in his hand, and he would politely ask the man to roll down his window and produce his driving licence....AFTER informing him of why he was asking in the first place.

I would ask why the man didn't simply follow the orders and get out of his car, but it was pretty obvious why.

Yeah, that's not how it's supposed to work here either.  The driver didn't pull over right away, which pissed the cop off. He should have gotten over it.  People will often drive to well lit areas before stopping.

There are so many minor infractions that folks can be pulled over for now, that are creating needless interactions between cops and drivers. Because black males and cops are basically in state of conflict now, these interactions are not going well in a lot if cases.

The drivers resent being pulled over. They think it only happens to black people, and the cops resent being resented and the implication they are racist.  You have all the ingredients for a standoff or worse..

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Yeah, that's not how it's supposed to work here either.  The driver didn't pull over right away, which pissed the cop off. He should have gotten over it.  People will often drive to well lit areas before stopping.

There are so many minor infractions that folks can be pulled over for now, that are creating needless interactions between cops and drivers. Because black males and cops are basically in state of conflict now, these interactions are not going well in a lot if cases.

The drivers resent being pulled over. They think it only happens to black people, and the cops resent being resented and the implication they are racist.  You have all the ingredients for a standoff or worse..

Resentment and fear are not a good mix.

I can see how some black men would resent being pulled over, thinking it's because they are black, but how many white men get pulled over and they just comply....it's only the cops v the blacks that make the news after all.

I dont doubt some of the population, including police, are racist...but I wonder if for every George Floyd incident that sparks global fury, there isn't also a Tony Timpa incident that sparks....nothing.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Why were they rioting in Minnesota last night?

Because white cops shot and killed a black man in Brooklyn Center, a suburb of Minneapolis, on a simple traffic stop.  Same old, same old...  White supremacists have infiltrated police ranks.

Original Quill wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Because white cops shot and killed a black man in Brooklyn Center, a suburb of Minneapolis, on a simple traffic stop.  Same old, same old...  White supremacists have infiltrated police ranks.

Further on the killing of Mr. Wright in Brooklyn Center, it turns out that the department claims that the killing was accidental.  A female officer, with 28-years of service, who was actually training another officer, ostensibly pulling out her taser, pulled out her gun instead, and shot Mr. Wright.  This begs several questions:

1. What was she doing pulling any weapon on an unarmed, nonthreatening black man?

2.  What value is training if this was a training officer?

3.  What was a 28-year veteran police officer doing confusing a taser with a firearm?

All of these questions point to another theory: racism.  If not direct racism, then false expectations that lead one to feel the need for any weapon when dealing with a black man.

Maddog wrote:Maybe it was sexism?

Original Quill wrote:Police, generally, treat suspects as an object.  That's a given.  The difference between black and white is whether there is any empathy between white police and black suspect, regardless of the crime involved.

In the case of the death of Tony Timpa, a white man, you hear the officer saying to a neutral party after the fact: “He didn’t just die down there did he?  I hope I didn’t kill him.”  You would never hear such empathy with a black suspect.

Cops are taught to distance themselves from suspects, as they are adverse.  However, a natural empathy bridges that divide.  But between a southern white and any black person, there is no bridge.  Any natural empathy is blocked by the barrier of racial alienation.  If one cannot identify with the other person culturally—if one cannot see a mutual bond based on common experience—there is a blockage.

It is even more so if there is a cultural antipathy, as there is between blacks and southern whites.  The natural empathy that we see between the cop and Timpa, is absolutely missing when it comes to blacks.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Police, generally, treat suspects as an object. That's a given. The difference between black and white is whether there is any empathy between white police and black suspect, regardless of the crime involved.

In the case of the death of Tony Timpa, a white man, you hear the officer saying to a neutral party after the fact: “He didn’t just die down there did he? I hope I didn’t kill him.” You would never hear such empathy with a black suspect.

Cops are taught to distance themselves from suspects, as they are adverse. However, a natural empathy bridges that divide. But between a southern white and any black person, there is no bridge. Any natural empathy is blocked by the barrier of racial alienation. If one cannot identify with the other person culturally—if one cannot see a mutual bond based on common experience—there is a blockage.

It is even more so if there is a cultural antipathy, as there is between blacks and southern whites. The natural empathy that we see between the cop and Timpa, is absolutely missing when it comes to blacks.

No you are wrong Quill. There was no empathy at all, the police were laughing and making fun of him even AFTER he lost consciousness and was already possibly dead.
The police involved in Timpa's death acted worse than the ones who killed George Floyd...and all charges against them were dropped.

Syl wrote:One showed no empathy by looking unconcerned, others showed it by mocking the man they were killing.

End result was two dead men killed by cops who showed NO empathy regardless of the colour of the men they killed.

Both of the words deal with the relationship a person has to the feelings and experiences of another person.

What is sympathy?

Sympathy is the older of the two terms. It entered English in the mid-1500s with a very broad meaning of “agreement or harmony in qualities between things or people.” Since then, the term has come to be used in a more specific way.

Nowadays, sympathy is largely used to convey commiseration, pity, or feelings of sorrow for someone else who is experiencing misfortune. This sense is often seen in the category of greeting cards labeled “sympathy” that specialize in messages of support and sorrow for others in a time of need. You feel bad for them … but you don’t know what it is like to be in their shoes.

What is empathy?

Empathy entered English a few centuries after sympathy—in the late 1800s—with a somewhat technical and now obsolete meaning from the field of psychology. Psychologists began using empathy as a translation for the German term Einfühlung and the concept that a person could project their own feelings onto a viewed object.

Unlike sympathy, empathy has come to be used in a broader way than it was when it was first introduced; the term is now most often used to refer to the capacity or ability to imagine oneself in the situation of another, experiencing the emotions, ideas, or opinions of that person.

The difference between the most commonly used meanings of these two terms is:

• sympathy is feeling compassion, sorrow, or pity for the hardships that another person encounters.

• empathy is putting yourself in the shoes of another, which is why actors often talk about it.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/empathy-vs-sympathy/?itm_source=parsely-api

Original Quill wrote:Sympathy--------------------------------------uncaring

Empathy ---------------------------------------indifference

Both of the words deal with the relationship a person has to the feelings and experiences of another person.

What is sympathy?

Sympathy is the older of the two terms. It entered English in the mid-1500s with a very broad meaning of “agreement or harmony in qualities between things or people.” Since then, the term has come to be used in a more specific way.

Nowadays, sympathy is largely used to convey commiseration, pity, or feelings of sorrow for someone else who is experiencing misfortune. This sense is often seen in the category of greeting cards labeled “sympathy” that specialize in messages of support and sorrow for others in a time of need. You feel bad for them … but you don’t know what it is like to be in their shoes.

What is empathy?

Empathy entered English a few centuries after sympathy—in the late 1800s—with a somewhat technical and now obsolete meaning from the field of psychology. Psychologists began using empathy as a translation for the German term Einfühlung and the concept that a person could project their own feelings onto a viewed object.

Unlike sympathy, empathy has come to be used in a broader way than it was when it was first introduced; the term is now most often used to refer to the capacity or ability to imagine oneself in the situation of another, experiencing the emotions, ideas, or opinions of that person.

The difference between the most commonly used meanings of these two terms is:

• sympathy is feeling compassion, sorrow, or pity for the hardships that another person encounters.

• empathy is putting yourself in the shoes of another, which is why actors often talk about it.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/empathy-vs-sympathy/?itm_source=parsely-api

Maddog wrote:

Dead is dead.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Dead is dead.

Yep.  Pretty final.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:One showed no empathy by looking unconcerned, others showed it by mocking the man they were killing.

End result was two dead men killed by cops who showed NO empathy regardless of the colour of the men they killed.

Correct.

But one dead man had more political value.

And that's a shame. And it's making the problem worse.

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Correct.

But one dead man had more political value.

And that's a shame. And it's making the problem worse.

One dead mans family have not seen justice done and have to live with the knowledge the cops who killed and mocked their dying son are still employed as Dallas police officers.

One dead mans family have received 27 million dollars and know the cop that killed their son is on trial for murder.

Syl wrote:One dead mans family have not seen justice done and have to live with the knowledge the cops who killed and mocked their dying son are still employed as Dallas police officers.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:One dead mans family have not seen justice done and have to live with the knowledge the cops who killed and mocked their dying son are still employed as Dallas police officers.

Would Florida police officers be any better?  Georgia?  South Caroline?  Mississippi?  I've said repeatedly that southerners have problems with (1) thinking, and (2) anger/violence.  Not all of them.  Nor, are some northern communities without occasional issues.  But as a trend, or cultural trait, southerners lack practice using their brains, and rather than figuring it out, they meet frustrations with direct anger and violence...that's with anyone, white or otherwise.

So, even if that is 80% of the problem, there is an added 20% heaped on if the subject is a black or Hispanic.  Sure, a southern cop has anger/violence problems with anyone...it's in their culture.  But add to that the inherent racism of the south, and you might be able to imagine what a black man feels when pulled over by an irrational, southern white cop.  See OP, encounter of black military officer with Windsor, VA police.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Would Florida police officers be any better?  Georgia?  South Caroline?  Mississippi?  I've said repeatedly that southerners have problems with (1) thinking, and (2) anger/violence.  Not all of them.  Nor, are some northern communities without occasional issues.  But as a trend, or cultural trait, southerners lack practice using their brains, and rather than figuring it out, they meet frustrations with direct anger and violence...that's with anyone, white or otherwise.

So, even if that is 80% of the problem, there is an added 20% heaped on if the subject is a black or Hispanic.  Sure, a southern cop has anger/violence problems with anyone...it's in their culture.  But add to that the inherent racism of the south, and you might be able to imagine what a black man feels when pulled over by an irrational, southern white cop.  See OP, encounter of black military officer with Windsor, VA police.

Maybe southerners are so dumb they can't tell white folks from black folks. They just get mad and kill them all...

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Maybe southerners are so dumb they can't tell white folks from black folks. They just get mad and kill them all...

Southerners seem to have that down, pretty well.  Indeed, they started a civil war over owning fellow human beings who are black as property.  They would like to return to that day, but in the meantime they will settle for Jim Crow voter (and other) suppression laws.  Perhaps you've read Senate Bill 7, presently before the Texas Legislature.

Original Quill wrote:Southern cops are human beings like the rest of us.  But we all live, and are creatures of the culture we were raised in.  The unique culture of the south is, inter alia, (1) impatience with abstract thinking, and (2) [perhaps as a result] resort to anger and violence.

I'm not familiar with the Timpa case, but with the Dallas police, that might be a factor.