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Post by Syl Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

It's probable more subjects are up for discussion on a forum, and obviously we are communicating with people from different backgrounds and different cultures.
So, it wouldn't be surprising if you crossed swords more with people online than you would when discussing topics with family and friends in your local area.
But are you more patient and restrained with people when you discuss, argue, or debate a topic if someone is in the same room?

For instance....when (in the real world) did a difference of opinion end in name calling?

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Post by Maddog Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:39 am

I never saw a whore post either?

Did someone call someone a whore?

Usually I'm in the middle of the good stuff around here. .

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Post by Syl Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:45 am

JulesV wrote:
Syl wrote:
Laughing
Facts are not errors., I will leave you to believe what you like Quill.

I am too straight forward to play silly forum games.
You play PLENTY of games and you shit stir ATT, Syl.
You've made snidy accusing remarks about me several times in the last few days. You cannot help yourself.
Btw it wasn't me who gave you the red, I don't give reds, you can easily check that from my profile.




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The self projection in this post is laughable. Razz
It's obviou to me you only come here to cause trouble, go back to your base and await orders from your boss.
And remind her that she still hasn't produced the 'disgusting post' she accused me of liking the other night. Rolling Eyes
Oh look at the snidy shit-stirring drivel that sweet lady our "lovely, lovely" Syl, is coming out with.

Andy was a member here long before you or I, he can handle himself, without ''orders'  from any boss, don't be stupid.  
Threads like this never end well, however (allegedly) well intentioned they are meant to be.
They always end up in a free for all bustup and you should surely have enough wisdom to realise this.
Anyway you got the bloody row you wanted.  Happy now? Rolling Eyes

I have made no remarks directed at you, You came into this thread for one reason only, to cause trouble.

I was willing to address the accusations you were flinging around, but as usual, you hit and ran.... even posted to Ben directly afterwards saying you wouldn't be around for a while because there was something 'off' about this forum.....which to be fair, after you had finished shit stirring...there was.    

Take a tip, move on. All this grudge holding must be playing havoc with your digestive system. Laughing

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Post by Andy Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:03 pm

Syl wrote:
Andy wrote:Syl wants gang warfare . She has her loyal little puppy Maddog at her feet ,begging for treats .
The thread was started for provocation,  and for no other reason.
The self projection in this post is laughable. Razz

It's obviou to me you only come here to cause trouble, go back to your base and await orders from your boss.
And remind her that she still hasn't produced the 'disgusting post' she accused me of liking the other night. Rolling Eyes

I was here 2 years before you, Syl, 3 years before Jules, 4 years before Dog.
But don't worry, I won't brag about being both senior and superior.

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Post by Syl Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:15 pm

Andy wrote:
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The self projection in this post is laughable. Razz

It's obviou to me you only come here to cause trouble, go back to your base and await orders from your boss.
And remind her that she still hasn't produced the 'disgusting post' she accused me of liking the other night. Rolling Eyes

I was here 2 years before you, Syl, 3 years before Jules, 4 years before Dog.
But don't worry, I won't brag about being both senior and superior.

Good for you.

Who is bragging about being senior and superior...I don't see anyone doing that. scratch

I do see, and I have said it a couple of times lately, you do seem to come here now, mainly to complain about this forum and the posters on it.

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:28 pm




Typical lefties... 'Keep repeating the lie'... Eh...!?


Lies and spin is all you've got!!!


You need to start stocking up with your tissues, to dry your eyes, in an even bigger drubbing that's coming to you in the next general elections!!!


With Kweer Stammer in charge, and that he was in charge as the director of public prosecutions during some of labours most dismal years on being 'tough o crime and tough on the causes of crime'... Plus him doing absolutely fuck all about prosecuting any of the Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs during his time... You are truly fucked for a long long time to come!!!


The public have become wise to all the idiots you have as prominent labour MPs... And you lot now trying to shuffle them around to try to make a credible opposition front bench is akin to the deck chairs being shuffled around the deck of the Titanic!!!!


lol!




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Post by Andy Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:39 pm

Syl wrote:
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I was here 2 years before you, Syl, 3 years before Jules, 4 years before Dog.
But don't worry, I won't brag about being both senior and superior.

Good for you.

Who is bragging about being senior and superior...I don't see anyone doing that. scratch

I do see, and I have said it a couple of times lately, you do seem to come here now, mainly to complain about this forum and the posters on it.

Perhaps you should think twice in future about starting threads that are likely to invite personal abuse and vitriolic attacks .
I wonder whether Ben will be concerned if both I and Jules refrain from posting , following Korben and the brilliant Wolfie
That will leave only right and far right wing British poster, with Quill holding the Fort for Democrats and the left of centre.
If it becomes soley right wing posters, it could go the same way as the failed, flopped place.

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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:50 pm




Would that be wolfie who's posts were 99 out of 100 full of abuse and utter bullshit...!?



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Post by Syl Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:53 pm

Andy wrote:
Syl wrote:

Good for you.

Who is bragging about being senior and superior...I don't see anyone doing that. scratch

I do see, and I have said it a couple of times lately, you do seem to come here now, mainly to complain about this forum and the posters on it.

Perhaps you should think twice in future about starting threads that are likely to invite personal abuse and vitriolic attacks .
I wonder whether Ben will be concerned if both I and Jules refrain from posting , following Korben and the brilliant Wolfie
That will leave only right and far right wing British poster, with Quill  holding the Fort for Democrats and the left of centre.
If it becomes soley right wing posters,  it could go the same way as the failed, flopped place.

I post threads I find interesting, and judging by the response to many of them other people do too.
I have no idea what Ben would think ...ask him. Personally I don't think either of you add much to the forum, apart from whinging and trouble.

Korben was a nice poster who got involved with a couple of arguments, he gave as good as he got....obviously he thought better of spending time on the forum arguing, we all have free choice.

I am not right wing, I have never voted Cons in my life.... Razz

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Post by gelico Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:04 pm


I don't think I do

I'm not big on arguments or confrontations as such

prefer to just have my say and let others agree or not

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Post by Syl Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:06 pm

gelico wrote:
I don't think I do

I'm not big on arguments or confrontations as such

prefer to just have my say and let others agree or not

I see that in you.
I think you are very like Eddie in your posting style.

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Post by Syl Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:05 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


Would that be wolfie who's posts were 99 out of 100 full of abuse and utter bullshit...!?




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Post by Maddog Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:44 pm

Andy wrote:
Syl wrote:

Good for you.

Who is bragging about being senior and superior...I don't see anyone doing that. scratch

I do see, and I have said it a couple of times lately, you do seem to come here now, mainly to complain about this forum and the posters on it.

Perhaps you should think twice in future about starting threads that are likely to invite personal abuse and vitriolic attacks .
I wonder whether Ben will be concerned if both I and Jules refrain from posting , following Korben and the brilliant Wolfie
That will leave only right and far right wing British poster, with Quill  holding the Fort for Democrats and the left of centre.
If it becomes soley right wing posters,  it could go the same way as the failed, flopped place.

Ooooooohhhh.

A flounce threat.

I think there is still a left wing mod posting from Thailand..

Why don't you try making some interesting posts as opposed to whining about other posters and what "wing" you perceive them to be?

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Post by gelico Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:12 pm

Andy wrote:
Syl wrote:

Good for you.

Who is bragging about being senior and superior...I don't see anyone doing that. scratch

I do see, and I have said it a couple of times lately, you do seem to come here now, mainly to complain about this forum and the posters on it.

Perhaps you should think twice in future about starting threads that are likely to invite personal abuse and vitriolic attacks .



Andy, with respect, if people are feeling abusive and vitriolic then that's what they will give out regardless of the thread they're on.

Personally, I think this is the nicest forum that's ever been built and Ben runs a good ship

Try contributing to thread subjects rather than moaning about other posters and it will be even better

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Post by Syl Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:54 am

gelico wrote:
Andy wrote:

Perhaps you should think twice in future about starting threads that are likely to invite personal abuse and vitriolic attacks .



Andy, with respect, if people are feeling abusive and vitriolic then that's what they will give out regardless of the thread they're on.

Personally, I think this is the nicest forum that's ever been built and Ben runs a good ship

Try contributing to thread subjects rather than moaning about other posters and it will be even better

cheers

I couldn't agree more.
I also said (at the beginning) this forum is the less aggresive one I have ever been on, apart from Dallas Digest (now defunct) but that was made up from most posters who actually knew each other in real life, so there was none of the faceless name calling that other forums might indulge in.

There is a big difference between arguing on a forum and causing trouble on one.
Arguing is par for the course, especially when it's a forum like this where free speech isn't jumped on every 5 minutes....causing trouble is just an outlet for someone who has no intention of contributing to the subject...and it obviously ruins threads.

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Post by eddie Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:20 pm

Fucking hell. Who gets paranoid about a thread topic?


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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:25 pm

First of all, if you're going to accuse someone of liking a comment where someone was called a whore, you should find that thread and link to it. I don't like accusations that aren't backed up.

Secondly, I don't see how this thread was directed at anybody in particular -- it's an innocent question, and fairly interesting as well.

Syl isn't the type of poster to be sneaky and accuse people without coming right out and saying it. She's taken me up on a number of issues over the years and has never danced around the problem.

I think everyone should calm down a bit and stop reading more into what's been said than what's been said.

And yes, I do think Quill and Maddog fight too much, but I just ignore them for the most part.

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Post by Syl Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:45 pm

Thanks Ben.

I think most posters saw the thread for what is was, just an interesting question, and topics that ask questions are good, they make us think.


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Post by eddie Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:57 pm

Syl wrote:Thanks Ben.

I think most posters saw the thread for what is was, just  an interesting question, and topics that ask questions are good, they make us think.


When people see a negative in a question, it is never the questioners fault for asking the question.

I teach my children that.

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Post by Syl Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:08 am

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:Thanks Ben.

I think most posters saw the thread for what is was, just  an interesting question, and topics that ask questions are good, they make us think.


When people see a negative in a question, it is never the questioners fault for asking the question.

I teach my children that.

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:15 am

This is simple common sense. Let me explain, if you will.

You ask a question and someone immediately feels suspicious about why you’re asking.
That’s their hang up.

A simple question asked, should never be questioned.

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:18 am

eddie wrote:This is simple common sense. Let me explain, if you will.

You ask a question and someone immediately feels suspicious about why you’re asking.
That’s their hang up.

A simple question asked, should never be questioned.


Sometimes you need to answer a question with a question

It does not necessarily mean they are suspicious

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:22 am

It's actually great when a question makes you feel uncomfortable -- it's a rare opportunity to learn something about yourself.

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:23 am

Didgee wrote:
eddie wrote:This is simple common sense. Let me explain, if you will.

You ask a question and someone immediately feels suspicious about why you’re asking.
That’s their hang up.

A simple question asked, should never be questioned.


Sometimes you need to answer a question with a question

It does not necessarily mean they are suspicious

The only question you may need to ask when asked a question is:

“What exactly do you mean, so that I understand the question properly?”

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:25 am

Ben Reilly wrote:It's actually great when a question makes you feel uncomfortable -- it's a rare opportunity to learn something about yourself.


Great point, if of course that person then learns from this

It is however pointless if they do not learn from this

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:27 am

eddie wrote:
Didgee wrote:


Sometimes you need to answer a question with a question

It does not necessarily mean they are suspicious

The only question you may need to ask when asked a question is:

“What exactly do you mean, so that I understand the question properly?”


There is many more potential questions you could ask than that Eddie

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Post by Syl Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:28 am

eddie wrote:This is simple common sense. Let me explain, if you will.

You ask a question and someone immediately feels suspicious about why you’re asking.
That’s their hang up.

A simple question asked, should never be questioned.

Depends how straight forward you are, some people have an agenda, or think they are being tricked.
In reality a simple question usually is just that.

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:40 am

Didgee wrote:
eddie wrote:
Didgee wrote:


Sometimes you need to answer a question with a question

It does not necessarily mean they are suspicious

The only question you may need to ask when asked a question is:

“What exactly do you mean, so that I understand the question properly?”


There is many more potential questions you could ask than that Eddie

If someone asks you a question, you should be able to answer it
Why answer a question, with a question?

Sure, ask your own question but answer the question first.

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:40 am

eddie wrote:
Didgee wrote:


Sometimes you need to answer a question with a question

It does not necessarily mean they are suspicious

The only question you may need to ask when asked a question is:

“What exactly do you mean, so that I understand the question properly?”

FYI Eddie

"The method of answering questions with questions, in order to let the questioner realize that he can find the answer by reasoning (Socrates would say that the answer was in him all along), is called maieutics"

Hence i could respond to your question with "Let me answer that by asking you this.....?"

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:42 am

eddie wrote:
Didgee wrote:


There is many more potential questions you could ask than that Eddie

If someone asks you a question, you should be able to answer it
Why answer a question, with a question?

Sure, ask your own question but answer the question first.

Why would I need to answer something you are trying to understand when I could help you achieve an understanding by answering questions off this to you with searching questions?

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:44 am

Those methods are great if you are assuming that I need help.
What if I want to know what YOU think?

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:46 am

eddie wrote:Those methods are great if you are assuming that I need help.
What if I want to know what YOU think?

The same could easily apply if you wish to understand how I think on the issue, I could use searching questions for you to come to the same understanding I have

See nothing suspicious about that and it engages a more thinking discussion formed from this

All I am saying is that we should not jump to conclusions if someone answers ta question with a question

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:57 am

Unless you’re a therapist, who’s job it is NOT to answer questions, there really are no excuses for not answering a question.

It’s called avoidance and politicians, for example, do it all the time.


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Post by Syl Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:58 am

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If someone asks you a question, you should be able to answer it
Why answer a question, with a question?

Sure, ask your own question but answer the question first.

Why would I need to answer something you are trying to understand when I could help you achieve an understanding by answering questions off this to you with searching questions?

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:01 am

Syl wrote:
Didgee wrote:
eddie wrote:

If someone asks you a question, you should be able to answer it
Why answer a question, with a question?

Sure, ask your own question but answer the question first.

Why would I need to answer something you are trying to understand when I could help you achieve an understanding by answering questions off this to you with searching questions?

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Overcomplicating.

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:02 am

eddie wrote:Unless you’re a therapist, who’s job it is NOT to answer questions, there really are no excuses for not answering a question.

It’s called avoidance and politicians, for example, do it all the time.


Gobbledygook Eddie, that is simple your perception on the motivations of people and hence the suspicions come from yourself and not the person responding to the question with a question

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Post by gelico Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:13 am

Didgee wrote:
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The only question you may need to ask when asked a question is:

“What exactly do you mean, so that I understand the question properly?”

FYI Eddie

"The method of answering questions with questions, in order to let the questioner realize that he can find the answer by reasoning (Socrates would say that the answer was in him all along), is called maieutics"

 


that sounds very arrogant and presumptuous - like a teacher coaxing a student

what if a person doesn't need any ''help''

they may just be interested in your opinion

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:14 am

Didgee wrote:
eddie wrote:Unless you’re a therapist, who’s job it is NOT to answer questions, there really are no excuses for not answering a question.

It’s called avoidance and politicians, for example, do it all the time.


Gobbledygook Eddie, that is simple your perception on the motivations of people and hence the suspicions come from yourself and not the person responding to the question with a question

I prefer people that can answer a question directly. They immediately show they have confidence and I know that I can have a really interesting conversation with them, trusting that we are starting from a place of honesty and trust.
Otherwise it’s pointless.

And really, that’s the only way to communicate, for me.

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:17 am

I think sometimes questions make people uncomfortable and they engage in a lot of defense mechanisms to avoid having to look into themselves for the honest answer. It would be more constructive to not be defensive or false, and instead to just deal with the honest answer.

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:19 am

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Gobbledygook Eddie, that is simple your perception on the motivations of people and hence the suspicions come from yourself and not the person responding to the question with a question

I prefer people that can answer a question directly. They immediately show they have confidence and I know that I can have a really interesting conversation with them, trusting that we are starting from a place of honesty and trust.
Otherwise it’s pointless.

And really, that’s the only way to communicate, for me.

Get used to being disappointed then, if I answer a question you have with a question
Communication is a two way street and not set and bound by how one individual feels

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Post by Syl Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:22 am

Asking someone a question shows interest in that person, and surely that's a good thing.

I have no problem answering a straight question with a straight answer.

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:23 am

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FYI Eddie

"The method of answering questions with questions, in order to let the questioner realize that he can find the answer by reasoning (Socrates would say that the answer was in him all along), is called maieutics"

 


that sounds very arrogant and presumptuous - like a teacher coaxing a student

what if a person doesn't need any ''help''

they may just be interested in your opinion

Its called Philosophy gelico

If you view someone thinking a method is best to help someone learn and think that is arrogant. The n you are coming at this from a position of defence and not open to thinking through ideas

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Post by gelico Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:27 am

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that sounds very arrogant and presumptuous - like a teacher coaxing a student

what if a person doesn't need any ''help''

they may just be interested in your opinion

Its called Philosophy gelico

If you view someone thinking a method is best to help someone learn and think that is arrogant. The n you are coming at this from a position of defence and not open to thinking through ideas



there you go again

why do you assume a person needs your help

what if they are just interested in your opinion on something for no other reason than because they respect your opinion? they don't actually need any help, they are only asking out of curiosity

what then?

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Post by Maddog Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:27 am

I answer questions with questions all of the time. The answer to me question may also answer yours.


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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:28 am

gelico wrote:
Didgee wrote:

Its called Philosophy gelico

If you view someone thinking a method is best to help someone learn and think that is arrogant. The n you are coming at this from a position of defence and not open to thinking through ideas



there you go again

why do you assume a person needs your help

what if they are just interested in your opinion on something for no other reason than because they respect your opinion?  they don't actually need any help,  they are only asking out of curiosity

what then?


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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:28 am

Maddog wrote:I answer questions with questions all of the time. The answer to me question may also answer yours.



Bingo

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:33 am

gelico wrote:
Didgee wrote:

Its called Philosophy gelico

If you view someone thinking a method is best to help someone learn and think that is arrogant. The n you are coming at this from a position of defence and not open to thinking through ideas



there you go again

why do you assume a person needs your help

what if they are just interested in your opinion on something for no other reason than because they respect your opinion?  they don't actually need any help,  they are only asking out of curiosity

what then?


First off you are wrongly assuming I believe they need help

What if I would rather engage in asking questions to see if the person can come to the same views and opinions I have on the question they have asked gelico

Again this is you and Eddie as seen seeing an ulterior motive when none is given

Its simple a different way to come to finding answers

There is nothing sinister in that

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:33 am

Maddog wrote:I answer questions with questions all of the time. The answer to me question may also answer yours.


I’ve never known you to avoid a question or ask a question in reply to a question on here or on other social media.
I’d have remembered that, for sure.


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Post by gelico Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:34 am

Maddog wrote:I answer questions with questions all of the time. The answer to me question may also answer yours.



asking someone a question doesn't automatically mean you are looking for any kind of solution to a problem

FFS!

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Post by Didgee Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:35 am

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:I answer questions with questions all of the time. The answer to me question may also answer yours.


No, you answer the question then you ask your own question. Which is perfectly fine.
I’ve never known you to avoid a question or ask a question in reply to a question on here or on other social media.



Its not for you to decide Eddie how people respond

You are also under the wrong assumption the question is being avoided when its not

Again if the view is to question back to come to the same understanding then nothing is being avoided is it?

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Post by eddie Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:36 am

gelico wrote:
Maddog wrote:I answer questions with questions all of the time. The answer to me question may also answer yours.



asking someone a question doesn't automatically mean you are looking for any kind of solution to a problem

FFS!

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I’d leave it if I were you. I’ve never seen Maddog do that. He always answers a question.

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