britain-no-longer-country-where-system-is-deliberately-rigged

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The UK is no longer a country "where the system is deliberately rigged against ethnic minorities", a government-ordered review has said.

The Independent Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities - which was appointed by Prime Minister Boris Johnson following last summer's Black Lives Matter protests - has published its 258-page report on inequality in Britain.

It said the UK "should be regarded as a model for other white-majority countries" although it cannot be considered "a post racial society".

https://news.sky.com/story/britain-no-longer-country-where-system-is-deliberately-rigged-against-ethnic-minorities-according-to-government-ordered-race-review-12261675
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Thoughts

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
The way you made you point   \observation implys i said that
And I don't oppress anybody but know they have been oppressed in the past so i am fine with it

However i would point out you recent point is exactly what the philanthropists did on the other thread and you have a problem with that

My problem was government involvement.  

Government should be a referee.   Not a participant.  

to use a sport analogy :referee an official who watches a game or match closely to ensure that the rules are adhered to and  to arbitrate on matters arising from the play.
and a referee is part of the game
So if the government/referee decides to make a ruling that's their right.
for example say, by awarding a free kick to the team who the infraction was committed
and to the loss of the team that committed the infraction

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

My problem was government involvement.  

Government should be a referee.   Not a participant.  

to use a sport analogy :referee an official who watches a game or match closely to ensure that the rules are adhered to and  to arbitrate on matters arising from the play.
and a referee is part of the game
So if the government/referee decides to make a ruling that's their right.
for example say, by awarding a free kick to the team who the infraction was committed
and to  the loss of the team that committed the infraction

Well duh. The player committing the foul can also get a card.

Just for you Korben.

Maddog, the American constitution doesn't establish the federal government as a neutral arbiter. Progressiveness is implied in the preamble:

""We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ..."

The authors of the constitution knew that governments have a massive role to play in how happy, in general, the people of a country are, and you're right in that fairness has a lot to do with that.

But fairness must be defined, and you can't logically argue that you can spend hundreds of years letting one group of people live freely and exploit another group of people, which thus can amass no institutional wealth (power), then stop at some point and say, problem solved.

It would be like the government allowed my family to steal from your family for 10 generations or so, and then decide that we can't do that anymore, and call that justice for your family.

Maddog wrote:

Just for you Korben.  

Back at ya

Ben Reilly wrote:Maddog, the American constitution doesn't establish the federal government as a neutral arbiter. Progressiveness is implied in the preamble:

""We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ..."

The authors of the constitution knew that governments have a massive role to play in how happy, in general, the people of a country are, and you're right in that fairness has a lot to do with that.

But fairness must be defined, and you can't logically argue that you can spend hundreds of years letting one group of people live freely and exploit another group of people, which thus can amass no institutional wealth (power), then stop at some point and say, problem solved.

It would be like the government allowed my family to steal from your family for 10 generations or so, and then decide that we can't do that anymore, and call that justice for your family.

Promote the welfare doesn't mean what you think it means.

Do a little research before you come at me with that crap.

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Just for you Korben.  

Back at ya

Then you can stop the virtue signaling.

It's nauseating.

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
Back at ya

Then you can stop the virtue signaling.

It's nauseating.  

virtue signalling. ???

Are you claiming i am lying or being disingenuous in my view and or opinion

i find you nauseating with your "But" attatude

Addressing points or ideas mentioned in these threads is not "virtue signalling" its debate of ideas and views
AS i said i have NOTHING to prove to you and take that as a signalling of a fact
wee man

I’ve known you a long time Korben, online, and I know you actually are a decent bloke but I do get where this “virtual signalling” stuff comes from. It’s very fashionable right now, to be seen as “pure and good”. Truth is, we all feel the injustice of the world but we mustn’t be so caught up that we don’t see the whole.

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Maddog, the American constitution doesn't establish the federal government as a neutral arbiter. Progressiveness is implied in the preamble:

""We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity ..."

The authors of the constitution knew that governments have a massive role to play in how happy, in general, the people of a country are, and you're right in that fairness has a lot to do with that.

But fairness must be defined, and you can't logically argue that you can spend hundreds of years letting one group of people live freely and exploit another group of people, which thus can amass no institutional wealth (power), then stop at some point and say, problem solved.

It would be like the government allowed my family to steal from your family for 10 generations or so, and then decide that we can't do that anymore, and call that justice for your family.

Promote the welfare doesn't mean what you think it means.

Do a little research before you come at me with that crap.

Now you're assuming you know what I think it means without even asking me.

eddie wrote:I’ve known you a long time Korben, online, and I know you actually are a decent bloke but I do get where this “virtual signalling” stuff comes from. It’s very fashionable right now, to be seen as “pure and good”. Truth is, we all feel the injustice of the world but we mustn’t be so caught up that we don’t see the whole.

Am i a decent person ...i hope so. Am i virtuous far from it,do i see injustices in the world sure . Am i pure HAHAHAHAHA Nope Am i good most of the time i try to be

Thats just being a decent human being

These labels, “virtue signalling” is highly pejorative: often wielded as a sneering insult by those on the right against progressives to dismiss their statements as grandstanding. Some people accused of it may actually believe deeply in the cause they speak of, and back their words with actions. suggesting they are only backing an idea to look good in the eyes of others. The term implies that they don’t truly believe in the cause they publicly support. They are acting out of bad faith, because they have an ulterior motive.

But MD is good at slinging insults mostly because he has nothing else

Ironically, wielding the term sometimes serves as virtue signalling in itself. By calling out virtue signalling, the speaker publicly claims the moral high ground.

The term is often used as an ad hominem attack — a charge that dismisses an argument based on the character of the presenter, not the argument itself.

Mds most favourite form of debate

To be honest, you can sling insults at times. I just wish everyone would stop. It’s childish.

And to further add, I’ve seen a lot of virtual signalling on social media over the last few years. It’s not simply people stating an opinion, it’s a movement.

eddie wrote:To be honest, you can sling insults at times. I just wish everyone would stop. It’s childish.

How often do i do that
i rarely insult people or call them names unless they fire first


That is not who i am or have ever been

The accusation of virtue signalling pisses me off, too. I understand some people do it, particularly when they get offended at something but then can't logically explain why it's offensive, but I find a lot of time it's just used to knock somebody who's trying to say that something is wrong without addressing the heart of their message.

You could really do that to anything anybody says. It's the equivalent of saying that someone who disagrees with the consensus or mainstream take on a given topic is only trying to be different, edgy or rebellious. It has nothing to do with what they actually said.

Ben Reilly wrote:The accusation of virtue signalling pisses me off, too. I understand some people do it, particularly when they get offended at something but then can't logically explain why it's offensive, but I find a lot of time it's just used to knock somebody who's trying to say that something is wrong without addressing the heart of their message.

You could really do that to anything anybody says. It's the equivalent of saying that someone who disagrees with the consensus or mainstream take on a given topic is only trying to be different, edgy or rebellious. It has nothing to do with what they actually said.

It’s often hard to tell the difference, but it happens. A lot.

Being offended by certain jokes is one prime example.

Ben Reilly wrote:The accusation of virtue signalling pisses me off, too. I understand some people do it, particularly when they get offended at something but then can't logically explain why it's offensive, but I find a lot of time it's just used to knock somebody who's trying to say that something is wrong without addressing the heart of their message.

You could really do that to anything anybody says. It's the equivalent of saying that someone who disagrees with the consensus or mainstream take on a given topic is only trying to be different, edgy or rebellious. It has nothing to do with what they actually said.

Virtue signaling isn't about people being offended.

It's about people saying "look at me, I'm a better person than you.

And that fucking pisses me off.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Promote the welfare doesn't mean what you think it means.

Do a little research before you come at me with that crap.

Now you're assuming you know what I think it means without even asking me.

I'm basing it on your post.

Promoting the general welfare is about being a referee. It has nothing to do with welfare as in taking care of people. That didn't happen for 150 years after the constitution was written. It's preposterous to think that no one knew it was there for 150 years.


What it means is that any help to the states, and or to the people will be done in a fair manner.

The states, and the people, could handle the rest, as is spelled out in the 10th amendment.

Why do people think that the authors of the constitution, who later went on (Jefferson, Madison and others) to serve the people of this country as leaders, didn't know what was in the very document they wrote?

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:The accusation of virtue signalling pisses me off, too. I understand some people do it, particularly when they get offended at something but then can't logically explain why it's offensive, but I find a lot of time it's just used to knock somebody who's trying to say that something is wrong without addressing the heart of their message.

You could really do that to anything anybody says. It's the equivalent of saying that someone who disagrees with the consensus or mainstream take on a given topic is only trying to be different, edgy or rebellious. It has nothing to do with what they actually said.

Virtue signaling isn't about people being offended.

It's about people saying "look at me, I'm a better person than you.

And that fucking pisses me off.

How odd Do you feel i am better than you ?
Because i certantly have never made that claim directly or indirectly. or used a "Look at me" rhetoric in any posts
yes our views on certain things differ
i certantly don't think i am better than you or anybody


However if you feel that way that's on you.

perhaps you feel some kind of need to be combative to account for these feelings of inferiority towards me perhaps you should seek some Therapy to address these feeling

Some signs may include:

They try to make others feel insecure. check
They constantly seek validation from others. perhaps
They always talk about their achievements. Not enough data
They complain a lot. Check
They're overly sensitive to criticism. check
They regularly criticize others. Check and double check
They have frequent mood swings. perhaps
They often withdraw from social situations not from what i have seen

Honestly i think i speak for the membership
when i say

don't worry we are here to help and support you trough this difficult phase

Chin up

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Virtue signaling isn't about people being offended.

It's about people saying "look at me, I'm a better person than you.

And that fucking pisses me off.

How odd Do you feel i am better than you ?
Because i certantly have never made that claim directly or indirectly. or used a "Look at me" rhetoric in any posts
yes our views on certain things differ
i certantly don't think i am better than you or anybody


However if you feel that way that's on you.

perhaps you feel some kind of need to be combative to account for these feelings of inferiority towards me perhaps you should seek some Therapy to address these feeling

Some signs may include:

   They try to make others feel insecure.                              check
   They constantly seek validation from others.                     perhaps
   They always talk about their achievements.                      Not enough data  
   They complain a lot.                                                       Check
   They're overly sensitive to criticism.                                 check
   They regularly criticize others.                                         Check and double check
   They have frequent mood swings.                                    perhaps  
   They often withdraw from social situations                        not from what i have seen

Honestly i think i speak for the membership
when i say

don't worry we are here to help and support you trough this difficult phase

Chin up

Do you need therapy?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
How odd Do you feel i am better than you ?
Because i certantly have never made that claim directly or indirectly. or used a "Look at me" rhetoric in any posts
yes our views on certain things differ
i certantly don't think i am better than you or anybody


However if you feel that way that's on you.

perhaps you feel some kind of need to be combative to account for these feelings of inferiority towards me perhaps you should seek some Therapy to address these feeling

Some signs may include:

   They try to make others feel insecure.                              check
   They constantly seek validation from others.                     perhaps
   They always talk about their achievements.                      Not enough data  
   They complain a lot.                                                       Check
   They're overly sensitive to criticism.                                 check
   They regularly criticize others.                                         Check and double check
   They have frequent mood swings.                                    perhaps  
   They often withdraw from social situations                        not from what i have seen

Honestly i think i speak for the membership
when i say

don't worry we are here to help and support you trough this difficult phase

Chin up

Do you need therapy?

No thanks i'm great But i am not sure the same cant be said of you and this inferiority complex you seem to be manifesting in response to differing views and beliefs

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Do you need therapy?

No thanks i'm great  But i am not sure the same cant be said of you and this inferiority complex you seem to be manifesting in response to differing views and beliefs

Do you have an inferiority complex?

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Virtue signaling isn't about people being offended.

It's about people saying "look at me, I'm a better person than you.

And that fucking pisses me off.

How odd Do you feel i am better than you ?
Because i certantly have never made that claim directly or indirectly. or used a "Look at me" rhetoric in any posts
yes our views on certain things differ
i certantly don't think i am better than you or anybody


However if you feel that way that's on you.

perhaps you feel some kind of need to be combative to account for these feelings of inferiority towards me perhaps you should seek some Therapy to address these feeling

Some signs may include:

   They try to make others feel insecure.                              check
   They constantly seek validation from others.                     perhaps
   They always talk about their achievements.                      Not enough data  
   They complain a lot.                                                       Check
   They're overly sensitive to criticism.                                 check
   They regularly criticize others.                                         Check and double check
   They have frequent mood swings.                                    perhaps  
   They often withdraw from social situations                        not from what i have seen

Honestly i think i speak for the membership
when i say

don't worry we are here to help and support you trough this difficult phase

Chin up

On a forum  I always think it's best to speak only for yourself  Korben.

Syl wrote:

Korben wrote:
How odd Do you feel i am better than you ?
Because i certantly have never made that claim directly or indirectly. or used a "Look at me" rhetoric in any posts
yes our views on certain things differ
i certantly don't think i am better than you or anybody


However if you feel that way that's on you.

perhaps you feel some kind of need to be combative to account for these feelings of inferiority towards me perhaps you should seek some Therapy to address these feeling

Some signs may include:

   They try to make others feel insecure.                              check
   They constantly seek validation from others.                     perhaps
   They always talk about their achievements.                      Not enough data  
   They complain a lot.                                                       Check
   They're overly sensitive to criticism.                                 check
   They regularly criticize others.                                         Check and double check
   They have frequent mood swings.                                    perhaps  
   They often withdraw from social situations                        not from what i have seen

Honestly i think i speak for the membership
when i say

don't worry we are here to help and support you trough this difficult phase

Chin up

On a forum  I always think it's best to speak only for yourself  Korben.

Fair point

Syl wrote:

Korben wrote:
How odd Do you feel i am better than you ?
Because i certantly have never made that claim directly or indirectly. or used a "Look at me" rhetoric in any posts
yes our views on certain things differ
i certantly don't think i am better than you or anybody


However if you feel that way that's on you.

perhaps you feel some kind of need to be combative to account for these feelings of inferiority towards me perhaps you should seek some Therapy to address these feeling

Some signs may include:

   They try to make others feel insecure.                              check
   They constantly seek validation from others.                     perhaps
   They always talk about their achievements.                      Not enough data  
   They complain a lot.                                                       Check
   They're overly sensitive to criticism.                                 check
   They regularly criticize others.                                         Check and double check
   They have frequent mood swings.                                    perhaps  
   They often withdraw from social situations                        not from what i have seen

Honestly i think i speak for the membership
when i say

don't worry we are here to help and support you trough this difficult phase

Chin up

On a forum  I always think it's best to speak only for yourself  Korben.

Wonder what would cause someone to think they could speak for a group of people that never selected him as a spokesperson?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
No thanks i'm great  But i am not sure the same cant be said of you and this inferiority complex you seem to be manifesting in response to differing views and beliefs

Do you have an inferiority complex?

MMMMmmmmmm

Projection is a common defense mechanism that causes more harm than good. This is closely linked to transference, and the two can wreak havoc on an individual's mental health and interpersonal relationships.

so lie down and tell me when did these feelings start ?
How was your childhood ?
Do i need the "doll" ?

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Do you have an inferiority complex?

MMMMmmmmmm  

Projection is a common defense mechanism that causes more harm than good. This is closely linked to transference, and the two can wreak havoc on an individual's mental health and interpersonal relationships.

so lie down and tell me when did these feelings start ?
How was your childhood ?
Do i need the "doll" ?

Is that a yes or a no?

I'm asking, not projecting.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:
On a forum  I always think it's best to speak only for yourself  Korben.

Wonder what would cause someone to think they could speak for a group of people that never selected him as a spokesperson?

HAHAHAH good try ,guess along with many other things some Texans don't understand sarcasm

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Wonder what would cause someone to think they could speak for a group of people that never selected him as a spokesperson?

HAHAHAH good try ,guess along with many other things some  Texans don't understand sarcasm

Yeah, that's it.

Syl was too dumb to pick up on it too.

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
MMMMmmmmmm  

Projection is a common defense mechanism that causes more harm than good. This is closely linked to transference, and the two can wreak havoc on an individual's mental health and interpersonal relationships.

so lie down and tell me when did these feelings start ?
How was your childhood ?
Do i need the "doll" ?

Is that a yes or a no?

I'm asking, not projecting.

asked and answered

MDs question "Do you need therapy?"

My reply "No thanks i'm great"

And you are projecting,blatantly my boy

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
HAHAHAH good try ,guess along with many other things some  Texans don't understand sarcasm

Yeah, that's it.

Syl was too dumb to pick up on it too.

actually if you look closely you can see the wink emoj at the end of her post ,i think she got it

But good attempt to drag in others for support

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Is that a yes or a no?

I'm asking, not projecting.

asked and answered

 MDs question  "Do you need therapy?"

My reply "No thanks i'm great"

And you are projecting,blatantly my boy

Wrong question.

Here is the one you haven't answered.

Maddog wrote:Do you have an inferiority complex?

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Is that a yes or a no?

I'm asking, not projecting.

asked and answered

 MDs question  "Do you need therapy?"

My reply "No thanks i'm great"

And you are projecting,blatantly my boy

Wrong question.

Here is the one you haven't answered.

Maddog wrote:Do you have an inferiority complex?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
asked and answered

 MDs question  "Do you need therapy?"

My reply "No thanks i'm great"

And you are projecting,blatantly my boy

Wrong question.

Here is the one you haven't answered.

Maddog wrote:Do you have an inferiority complex?

There is that transference again perhaps you are doing unconsciously

It is you that claimed i was trying to take the moral high-ground
therefore by extension your morals where inferior to your perception mine

Do you have an inferiority complex?

Maddog wrote:Do you have an inferiority complex?

Oh dear

i have a equality complex if anything does that help

Korben wrote:i have a equality complex if anything does that help

Is that a no?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:i have a equality complex if anything does that help

Is that a no?

I don't know ...is it ...what do you think

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Is that a no?

I don't know ...is it ...what do you think

I'm not the one who brought it up. I don't really have much of an opinion.

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
I don't know ...is it ...what do you think

I'm not the one who brought it up.  I don't really have much of an opinion.  

yes you did it was you accused me of virtue singling thats was the genesis of this whole debate

I would say you do seem to have a issue following the ebb and flow of a conversation

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I'm not the one who brought it up.  I don't really have much of an opinion.  

yes you did it was you accused me of virtue singling thats was the genesis of this whole debate

Is that the same as an inferiority complex?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
yes you did it was you accused me of virtue singling thats was the genesis of this whole debate

Is that the same as an inferiority complex?

perhaps you should read trough the thread again and see where it evolved in to this topic

never mind i did it for you

it was when you said
It's about people saying "look at me, I'm a better person than you."

you can follow it from there

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Is that the same as an inferiority complex?

perhaps you should read trough the thread again and see where it evolved in to this topic

Yeah,  you accused me of having one. And I asked if you had one too.  

Still no answer.

I doubt you're going to answer at this point.

Methinks you've had a good bit of Scottish ale. Can't blame you, it's some good stuff.