Trump tells white supremacist group to "stand by" during presidential debate

Huffington Post:

Wallace again asked Trump to condemn white supremacists and right-wing militias. Biden told Trump to condemn the Proud Boys, a violent neo-fascist street gang. At this point, Trump demurred. 

“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” Trump said before changing the subject.

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Proud Boys members celebrated Trump’s response as a directive from above. “Trump basically said to go fuck them up! this makes me so happy,” Proud Boys member Joe Biggs posted on Parler, a right-wing social media site. “Standing down and standing by sir,” the group wrote on Telegram, an encrypted messaging platform. 

Federal law enforcement officials have repeatedly cited white supremacist violence as the top terror threat to the U.S. But for years, Trump has downplayed the threat posed by white supremacists

Ever watch videos of the Proud Boys and Commies go at it? It's almost as entertaining as watching a Trump Biden debate.

Almost as good as WWF.

Ben Reilly wrote:Huffington Post:

Wallace again asked Trump to condemn white supremacists and right-wing militias. Biden told Trump to condemn the Proud Boys, a violent neo-fascist street gang. At this point, Trump demurred. 

“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” Trump said before changing the subject.

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Proud Boys members celebrated Trump’s response as a directive from above. “Trump basically said to go fuck them up! this makes me so happy,” Proud Boys member Joe Biggs posted on Parler, a right-wing social media site. “Standing down and standing by sir,” the group wrote on Telegram, an encrypted messaging platform. 

Federal law enforcement officials have repeatedly cited white supremacist violence as the top terror threat to the U.S. But for years, Trump has downplayed the threat posed by white supremacists

Is anyone asking blm to shut up and stand down or any of the celebs and now sad sack meghan?????

inmyopinion wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:Huffington Post:

Wallace again asked Trump to condemn white supremacists and right-wing militias. Biden told Trump to condemn the Proud Boys, a violent neo-fascist street gang. At this point, Trump demurred. 

“Proud Boys? Stand back and stand by,” Trump said before changing the subject.

***

Proud Boys members celebrated Trump’s response as a directive from above. “Trump basically said to go fuck them up! this makes me so happy,” Proud Boys member Joe Biggs posted on Parler, a right-wing social media site. “Standing down and standing by sir,” the group wrote on Telegram, an encrypted messaging platform. 

Federal law enforcement officials have repeatedly cited white supremacist violence as the top terror threat to the U.S. But for years, Trump has downplayed the threat posed by white supremacists

Is anyone asking blm to shut up and stand down or any of the celebs and now sad sack meghan?????

Obviously, the celebs and Meghan are not breaking the law. The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence. They represent the overthrow of the United States and the genocide of the black race.

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

Is anyone asking blm to shut up and stand down or any of the celebs and now sad sack meghan?????

Obviously, the celebs and Meghan are not breaking the law.  The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence.  They represent the overthrow of the United States and the genocide of the black race.

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

Are they any worse than the commies they like to fight?

Not my cuppa tea, but I think they are more like drunken frat boys than the Aryan Nation.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Obviously, the celebs and Meghan are not breaking the law.  The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence.  They represent the overthrow of the United States and the genocide of the black race.

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

Are they any worse than the commies they like to fight?

Not my cuppa tea, but I think they are more like drunken frat boys than the Aryan Nation.

Commies don't exist anymore.  

Answer your own question.  Who are the Proud Boys?  They sound like Cliven Bundy and his country boys...anti-government types who favor lawlessness and anarchy...maybe some Russo-Republicans.  After all, they are Trump's version of brownshirt storm troopers.

Sounds like you favor another civil war.  AMEXIT!

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

Are they any worse than the commies they like to fight?

Not my cuppa tea, but I think they are more like drunken frat boys than the Aryan Nation.

Commies don't exist anymore.  

Answer your own question.  Who are the Proud Boys?  They sound like Cliven Bundy and his country boys...anti-government types who favor lawlessness and anarchy...maybe some Russo-Republicans.  After all, they are Trump's version of brownshirt storm troopers.

Sounds like you favor another civil war.  AMEXIT!

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

Is anyone asking blm to shut up and stand down or any of the celebs and now sad sack meghan?????

Obviously, the celebs and Meghan are not breaking the law.  The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence.  They represent the overthrow of the United States and the genocide of the black race.

so blm from the other side.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Commies don't exist anymore.  

Answer your own question.  Who are the Proud Boys?  They sound like Cliven Bundy and his country boys...anti-government types who favor lawlessness and anarchy...maybe some Russo-Republicans.  After all, they are Trump's version of brownshirt storm troopers.

Sounds like you favor another civil war.  AMEXIT!

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

I assume the left as quill hates them.

inmyopinion wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

I assume the left as quill hates them.

Not just the left. The anti capitalist left.

Maddog wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

I assume the left as quill hates them.

Not just the left.  The anti capitalist left.  

ooh double demons.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Commies don't exist anymore.  

Answer your own question.  Who are the Proud Boys?  They sound like Cliven Bundy and his country boys...anti-government types who favor lawlessness and anarchy...maybe some Russo-Republicans.  After all, they are Trump's version of brownshirt storm troopers.

Sounds like you favor another civil war.  AMEXIT!

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

The police. They have problems with authority.

Maddog wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:

I assume the left as quill hates them.

Not just the left.  The anti capitalist left.  

Unfettered capitalism is as bad as unfettered bolshevism. Both are susceptible to power grabs. We saw unfettered capitalism during the gilded age, and it wasn't pretty. Twenty years later, we saw unfettered bolshevism.

The Proud Boys are very much like bolshevism. They are trying to tip the balance of democracy into pure autocracy. They are as anti-American as, indeed, is Trump.

Apparently this so called 'proud Boys' group is not a white supremacist group at all...

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Who do the Proud Boys like to clash with?

The police.  They have problems with authority.

I thought these boys were pro police and fought the anti police people.

Tommy Monk wrote:


Apparently this so called 'proud Boys' group is not a white supremacist group at all...

Nah. They are anti immigrant and pretty nationalistic, but they don't believe whites are a superior race.

They are what we call the Alt-Light, not the Alt-Right.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Not just the left.  The anti capitalist left.  

Unfettered capitalism is as bad as unfettered bolshevism.  Both are susceptible to power grabs.  We saw unfettered capitalism during the gilded age, and it wasn't pretty.  Twenty years later, we saw unfettered bolshevism.

The Proud Boys are very much like bolshevism.  They are trying to tip the balance of democracy into pure autocracy.  They are as anti-American as, indeed, is Trump.

Yeah.

The Proud Boys are not white supremacists. They are Male supremacists that like to fight what they would call left wing soy boys that demonstrate.

They are nationalistic and homophobic but they have members of all races, because they dont have issues with race, but peoples ideaolgies and other issues.

Calling them white supremacists would be like calling Pinochet or Batista white supremacists. It's just not accurate.

Maddog wrote:The Proud Boys are not white supremacists. They are Male supremacists that like to fight what they would call left wing soy boys that demonstrate.

They are nationalistic and homophobic but they have members of all races, because they dont have issues with race, but peoples ideaolgies and other issues.

Calling them white supremacists would be like calling Pinochet or Batista white supremacists. It's just not accurate.

They have worked themselves into a racist position. Their “western chauvinists” and "anti-white guilt" platforms turn out to hold a double negative meaning: I have no guilt, for hating blacks!! After all, you've got to be a white supremacists to be in a position to deny guilt for having white supremacist sentiments. It's not an issue otherwise. At best, it’s a hidden agenda. https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

That attitude has attracted many southern racists, such that it is indistinguishable from the kind of bigotry we see every day from RW'ers and white supremacists.

They are not white supremacists and they are not fascists either.

Tommy Monk wrote:


They are not white supremacists and they are not fascists either.

Correct. You could call them a hate group, but it's not based on race.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:The Proud Boys are not white supremacists. They are Male supremacists that like to fight what they would call left wing soy boys that demonstrate.  

They are nationalistic and homophobic but they have members of all races, because they dont have issues with race, but peoples ideaolgies and other issues.  

Calling them white supremacists would be like calling Pinochet or Batista white supremacists. It's just not accurate.  

They have worked themselves into a racist position.  Their “western chauvinists” and "anti-white guilt" platforms turn out to hold a double negative meaning: I have no guilt, for hating blacks!!  After all, you've got to be a white supremacists to be in a position to deny guilt for having white supremacist sentiments.  It's not an issue otherwise.  At best, it’s a hidden agenda.  https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

That attitude has attracted many southern racists, such that it is indistinguishable from the kind of bigotry we see every day from RW'ers and white supremacists.

Hey thanks, but I don't need my posts corrected by you.

Maybe someone else needs to read your fabrications. I doubt it, but it's possible.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

They have worked themselves into a racist position.  Their “western chauvinists” and "anti-white guilt" platforms turn out to hold a double negative meaning: I have no guilt, for hating blacks!!  After all, you've got to be a white supremacists to be in a position to deny guilt for having white supremacist sentiments.  It's not an issue otherwise.  At best, it’s a hidden agenda.  https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys

That attitude has attracted many southern racists, such that it is indistinguishable from the kind of bigotry we see every day from RW'ers and white supremacists.

Hey thanks, but I don't need my posts corrected by you.  

Maybe someone else needs to read your fabrications. I doubt it, but it's possible.  

See Syl? He immediately goes squirrely.

We could easily turn this into an fascinating discussion about platforms and hidden agendas, plus other tactics. What an interesting topic for political theory and political strategy.

But out come the diversions, followed by the insults. This is a form of cowering. The only reason he cowers is that he is afraid to dissect ideas beyond the surface. But he can only learn by trying. Instead, he cuts off all delving into so rich a topic...haha, and metaphorically assumes a ridiculous Karate stance.

Several American law enforcement agencies consider Proud Boys a white supremacist group; I daresay they know more than the general public about what these buffoons get up to.

Ben Reilly wrote:Several American law enforcement agencies consider Proud Boys a white supremacist group; I daresay they know more than the general public about what these buffoons get up to.

FBI does not consider ‘Proud Boys’ an extremist group, agent says.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/420392-fbi-does-not-consider-proud-boys-an-extremist-group-agent-says


This is not to say they are not a hate group.

The left has conflated alt right, alt light, right wing and white supremacist so often, they don't know which is which.

And to be honest, I don't think they care, as long as their rhetoric is effective.

Maddog wrote:FBI does not consider ‘Proud Boys’ an extremist group, agent says.

That is because the FBI does not rate groups, but individuals.

The Hill wrote:In a statement to The Hill in November, the FBI emphasized its investigations "focus solely on criminal activity of individuals — regardless of group membership—which appears to be intended to intimidate or coerce the civilian population or influence the policy of the government by intimidation or coercion."

There is even less to say about ANTIFA. There is no organization, no spokesman, no address, not even a business card. It's an idea or sentiment, not an organization.