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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:46 am




https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6081919/scotland-weather-cold-freezing-september-snow-record/


https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1339496/UK-weather-forecast-charts-ice-met-office-snow-latest-greenland-temperature-bbc-weather


https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1339330/bbc-weather-forecast-latest-thunderstorm-warning-met-office-autumn-september-2020


And this news for The Alps...


https://planetski.eu/2020/09/24/snow-is-on-the-way-folks/



And this news for Australia...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8764559/Parts-Australia-set-coldest-spring-day-23-years-rain-snow-hit-south-east.html




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Post by Eilzel on Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:44 am

Neither of us are scientists, tommy, but from what I understand about Climate Change, the melting of the icecaps and rise in temperatures globally (not isolated locales) affects weather in extreme ways. Posting a few reports from Europe and south Australia are hardly disproving what the vast majority of scientists tell us is happening.

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Post by inmyopinion on Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:25 am

Tommy Monk wrote:


https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6081919/scotland-weather-cold-freezing-september-snow-record/


https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1339496/UK-weather-forecast-charts-ice-met-office-snow-latest-greenland-temperature-bbc-weather


https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/1339330/bbc-weather-forecast-latest-thunderstorm-warning-met-office-autumn-september-2020


And this news for The Alps...


https://planetski.eu/2020/09/24/snow-is-on-the-way-folks/



And this news for Australia...


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8764559/Parts-Australia-set-coldest-spring-day-23-years-rain-snow-hit-south-east.html




SSSHHHH if greta hears you she'll be back on the media having her own meltdown Shocked Laughing lol!

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Post by Syl on Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:44 am

How DARE you. Mad

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:28 pm





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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:21 pm

Climate is not weather. God, RW'ers are dumb.

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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:04 am

Consider me dumb....but isn’t climate change about extreme changes in the weather over the years?

For example, sudden hot spells such as the UK saw in April this year?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:56 am



That has always happened throughout history.


But if we get a few hot days then the climate change Nazis are all out in force telling us how it's evidence for the global warming type of climate change... But when we get unusual cold weather you don't hear a peep out of them...


And Les... You are rolling out that tired old cliché that 'all the scientists agree' etc, but that is simply not true!!!




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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:57 am

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That has always happened throughout history.


But if we get a fermw hot days then the climate change Nazis are all out in force telling us how it's evidence for the global warming type of climate change... But when we get unusual cold weather you don't hear a peep out of them...


And Les... You are rolling out that tired old cliché that 'all the scientists agree' etc, but that is simply not true!!!



Climate change isn’t about only hot weather though??? scratch

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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:23 am

Unusually cold weather can also be evidence of climate change -- that's why climate change is a more accurate term than global warming.

Warm air currents from the south are becoming energetic enough to push into the Arctic Circle, just as they form a "dome" over the south central U.S. that keeps cold air out. And when those currents press into the Arctic, they displace cold air southward, causing cold snaps where they weren't seen before. For example, in Florida, where a freak ice storm years ago left oranges that were ripe for picking encased in ice.

In a nutshell -- global warming doesn't mean it won't get cold anymore. It will continue to get cold, but more unpredictably.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:34 am




These fluctuations and events have always happened!



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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:44 am

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These fluctuations and events have always happened!



Well if that’s the case and you’re right, then perhaps the planet has always experienced climate change?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:45 am




Exactly what I'm saying!!!



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Post by eddie on Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:47 am

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Exactly what I'm saying!!!



Then why are you arguing against climate change if you agree that the world has always had climate change?

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Post by Eilzel on Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:53 am

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That has always happened throughout history.


But if we get a few hot days then the climate change Nazis are all out in force telling us how it's evidence for the global warming type of climate change... But when we get unusual cold weather you don't hear a peep out of them...


And Les... You are rolling out that tired old cliché that 'all the scientists agree' etc, but that is simply not true!!!



Reread, tommy - vast majority of scientists.

But tommy knows better cause news says the UK and Australia had some very cold weather, right? Laughing

As mentioned, cold weather is more indicative OF climate change than not.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:29 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Exactly what I'm saying!!!

Then why are you arguing against climate change if you agree that the world has always had climate change?

The argument isn't there. What the climate change deniers are really arguing is that the high carbon input from industry and automobiles (ie, capitalists) into the atmosphere is causing climate change. They perceive that climate change is an invention of the left so as to tighten the regulation of industry.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:00 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Exactly what I'm saying!!!



Then why are you arguing against climate change if you agree that the world has always had climate change?


I'm not...



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:01 am

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

That has always happened throughout history.


But if we get a few hot days then the climate change Nazis are all out in force telling us how it's evidence for the global warming type of climate change... But when we get unusual cold weather you don't hear a peep out of them...


And Les... You are rolling out that tired old cliché that 'all the scientists agree' etc, but that is simply not true!!!



Reread, tommy - vast majority of scientists.

But tommy knows better cause news says the UK and Australia had some very cold weather, right? Laughing

As mentioned, cold weather is more indicative OF climate change than not.



It's not even the vast majority who agree...


Try again!



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:31 am




Icelands Okjokull glacier only came into existence 700 years ago, coincidentally at the same time as the 'little ice age' started...


Declared 'dead' a few years ago, after we have come out of this 700 year period of cold, known as 'the little ice age'...


Hailed by global warming nazis as proof of man made climate change/global warming...


When all it really is, is a return to the longer term normal that we had before the start of this 700 year long colder spell known as 'the little ice age'.


Maybe if we get another bit of a cold spell for a while, and this glacier reforms because of it, then Les will start to tell us that this is actually because of global warming...!?


Although the same argument has been used already for its demise...


Maybe it was only born 700 years ago due to global warming back then that caused 700 years of the cold period known as 'the little ice age'...!?


It's hard to tell with lefty numpties... Cos they like to use all opposing arguments in favour of whatever bullshit they are trying to promote at any time they choose... Regardless of how ridiculously contradictory they sound ..


lol!



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Post by Eilzel on Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:41 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

That has always happened throughout history.


But if we get a few hot days then the climate change Nazis are all out in force telling us how it's evidence for the global warming type of climate change... But when we get unusual cold weather you don't hear a peep out of them...


And Les... You are rolling out that tired old cliché that 'all the scientists agree' etc, but that is simply not true!!!



Reread, tommy - vast majority of scientists.

But tommy knows better cause news says the UK and Australia had some very cold weather, right? Laughing

As mentioned, cold weather is more indicative OF climate change than not.



It's not even the vast majority who agree...


Try again!



According to various sources it is: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/

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Post by inmyopinion on Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:01 pm

Eilzel wrote:
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It's not even the vast majority who agree...


Try again!



According to various sources it is: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/

But tommy knows best Laughing

the last nasa report I read claimed the caps had grown


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:22 pm

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It's not even the vast majority who agree...


Try again!



According to various sources it is: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/

But tommy knows best Laughing


According to some who agree you mean...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:50 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


Exactly what I'm saying!!!



Then why are you arguing against climate change if you agree that the world has always had climate change?


I'm not...



No, you argue that climate change is natural and that the current, faster-than-ever-recorded climate change we're seeing now isn't man-made.

Because you think that despite pumping 35 billion metric tonnes of CO2 per year into the atmosphere (more than 35 times more than volcanic activity), for decades, we haven't changed the composition of the atmosphere. That somehow, adding 2,000 billion metric tonnes of a gas to the atmosphere over less than three centuries isn't going to change the atmosphere.

Either that or you don't believe carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, even though that discovery was made about 160 years ago.

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Sep 27, 2020 12:58 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:



It's not even the vast majority who agree...


Try again!



According to various sources it is: https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/

But tommy knows best Laughing


According to some who agree you mean...



Do you have evidence that the vast majority do not agree?

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Where is your evidence of anything...!?


https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/putting-the-con-in-consensus-not-only-is-there-no-97-per-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many-misunderstand-core-issues

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:12 am

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I'm not...



No, you argue that climate change is natural and that the current, faster-than-ever-recorded climate change we're seeing now isn't man-made.

Because you think that despite pumping 35 billion metric tonnes of CO2 per year into the atmosphere (more than 35 times more than volcanic activity), for decades, we haven't changed the composition of the atmosphere. That somehow, adding 2,000 billion metric tonnes of a gas to the atmosphere over less than three centuries isn't going to change the atmosphere.

Either that or you don't believe carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas, even though that discovery was made about 160 years ago.



Have you heard of 'the little ice age'...?


You do know that most of the last 10,000 years have been as warm or warmer than it is now, don't you...!?



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:23 am





This is the sort of loaded global warming waffle that I'm talking about...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54278988



The giant sequoia trees have been there for millions of years... Proving that it is completely normal for this region of Earth to have the climatic conditions that we are seeing today regarding wildfires.



Only a complete idiot would try to say that the scientific evidence of millions of years of evolution of these giant sequoia trees, and them being there in this region of the planet, is somehow inconsistent with this same region being prone to large-scale and regular wildfires as normal...!!!




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Post by Eilzel on Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:47 am

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Where is your evidence of anything...!?


https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article/putting-the-con-in-consensus-not-only-is-there-no-97-per-cent-consensus-among-climate-scientists-many-misunderstand-core-issues

A single link from a RW biased institurtion does not disprove the plethora of evidence suggesting the opposite. I already gave you one link, I could post a dozen more from non-partisan sources.

You apparently think the majority of scientists are idiots (even if it isn't 97%, it is certainly a majority). On what qualification do you stand to assert such nonsense?

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Did you even read the link?


It explains where the 97% claim came from and shows it is complete bullshit!



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Post by inmyopinion on Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:04 pm

this is why I hate links, people just end up discussing sources not their own opinion.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:43 pm




And it's not even a majority either.



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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:14 pm

A month ago, Death Valley California registered its hottest-ever temperature recorded -- 130 F, or about 54.4 C. So while perhaps the UK has had some cooler weather recently, perhaps we should look at the other 99.5 percent of the world's land area when we look at global warming?

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Post by eddie on Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:57 pm

Perhaps we should stop calling it “global warming” and call it “earth weather changes”?

Or something more catchy...? scratch

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:01 pm

eddie wrote:Perhaps we should stop calling it “global warming” and call it “earth weather changes”?

Or something more catchy...? scratch

Hahaha, I know what you mean. Global warming makes some people think that every place will get uniformally warmer and warmer. Actually, warming can trigger mechanisms in the ocean and air currents that make some places colder, at least for a while.

The film The Day After Tomorrow, while being a bad representation of the science, was about how the North Atlantic Current could become disrupted by warming and allow much of North America and Europe to become way colder than they are now.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:54 am

Ben Reilly wrote:A month ago, Death Valley California registered its hottest-ever temperature recorded -- 130 F, or about 54.4 C. So while perhaps the UK has had some cooler weather recently, perhaps we should look at the other 99.5 percent of the world's land area when we look at global warming?



How far back do these 'recorded temperatures' go...?


Compared to the actual amount of time that there has been the existence of the region you call "death valley California"...?



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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:32 pm

140 years. Then of course, there's also the information provided through indirect evidence like tree rings, ice cores, etc.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:45 pm

And really, the records have nothing to do with the fact that while some places experience unusual cold snaps these days, the overall average temperature of the atmosphere and ocean is going up and up.

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You obviously know nothing about what the ice core data from GISP2 and Vostok actually tells us...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:58 pm

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You obviously know nothing about what the ice core data from GISP2 and Vostok actually tells us...


https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change

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