BLM...... IS IT THE MOST RACIST GROUP EVER??

by inmyopinion Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:45 am

By defnition the term blm is racist, they seem to have done nothing positive for the people they claim to represent and the majority are white people, so what really is their agenda?

by Syl Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:51 am

The hangers on are certainly racist intent on causing division.
Then the BLM supporters who cheapen the groups message by publicity hungry stunts (stand up Diversity) don't help either.
Unfortunately it is they who are getting most of the publicity about the movement now.

by inmyopinion Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:54 am

Syl wrote:The hangers on are certainly racist intent on causing division.
Then the BLM supporters who cheapen the groups message by publicity hungry stunts (stand up Diversity) don't help either.
Unfortunately it is they who are getting most of the publicity about the movement now.

Ithink the "movement" has been it's own worse enemy from day one, I like what some celebrities are saying, such as " if black lives matter, stop killing each other", those condoning looting and vandalism are just loopy.

by Syl Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:09 pm

inmyopinion wrote:
Syl wrote:The hangers on are certainly racist intent on causing division.
Then the BLM supporters who cheapen the groups message by publicity hungry stunts (stand up Diversity) don't help either.
Unfortunately it is they who are getting most of the publicity about the movement now.
Ithink the "movement" has been it's own worse enemy from day one, I like what some celebrities are saying, such as " if black lives matter, stop killing each other", those condoning looting and vandalism are just loopy.

Of course they are, they would support anything and everything as long as the black man is doing it to the white man.

by inmyopinion Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:10 pm

Syl wrote:
inmyopinion wrote:
Ithink the "movement" has been it's own worse enemy from day one, I like what some celebrities are saying, such as " if black lives matter, stop killing each other", those condoning looting and vandalism are just loopy.

Of course they are, they would support anything and everything as long as the black man is doing it to the white man.

That seems to be the way, It amuses me how racism only ever works one way.

by Syl Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:14 pm

inmyopinion wrote:
Syl wrote:

Of course they are, they would support anything and everything as long as the black man is doing it to the white man.
That seems to be the way, It amuses me how racism only ever works one way.

It does seem since the George Floyd incident, which didn't even happen here and never could....that many white people feel the need to apologise for being white whilst grovelling around on one knee.

by inmyopinion Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:19 pm

Syl wrote:
inmyopinion wrote:
That seems to be the way, It amuses me how racism only ever works one way.

It does seem since the George Floyd incident, which didn't even happen here and never could....that many white people feel the need to apologise for being white whilst grovelling around on one knee.

again I agree, the man was a violent criminal, not that means he deserved to die, the idea of apologising for something you have no control what so ever over, is just crazy.

by Syl Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:30 pm

He was a criminal and he was killed by the police, and if the murder had been overlooked I could understand the continued outrage, but the cop is facing a murder charge and rightly so.
I dont doubt there is an element of racism in the US police force and obviously it should be weeded out.
But where was the outrage when the kneeling on neck 'technique' has been used to the same effect on white men?
Tony Timpa was killed by cops in the same way, they even stood over his dead body in the street having a laugh.

When that video was released.....hardly a murmur.

by inmyopinion Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:33 pm

Syl wrote:He was a criminal and he was killed by the police, and if the murder had been overlooked I could understand the continued outrage, but the cop is facing a murder charge and rightly so.
I dont doubt there is an element of racism in the US police force and obviously it should be weeded out.
But where was the outrage when the kneeling on neck 'technique' has been used to the same effect on white men?
Tony Timpa was killed by cops in the same way, they even stood over his dead body in the street having a laugh.

When that video was released.....hardly a murmur.

Precisely, there have been upteen cases of white people being attacked and killed and they never make the papers but any black incideny goes round the world, despite the fact black killing black is nearly four times the rate of whilte killing black!!

by Tommy Monk Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:13 pm

The media have a lot to answer for in their selective sensationalism of only some of these incidents...

by Original Quill Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:36 pm

BLM stands only for saving the lives of blacks at the hands of the American police. They have done a great deal for this country, making the public aware of the infection of racism that still exists.

Others who break laws or misbehave are not acting in concert, nor on behalf of BLM, and so are outside the ambit of BLM's mission.

Indeed, many, if not most of them are white supremacists. They are known as the "boogaloo" movement—named for a 1980's breakdancing movie and characterized by members who carry weapons and wear Hawaiian shirts and tactical gear. They look to exploit and accelerate unrest in order to start a second civil war, including the killing of federal police, which they have already done. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/17/boogaloo-steven-carrillo/

by eddie Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:42 pm

Not sure I’d say that BLM are racist per se. Perhaps it has brought out hidden racist emotions in a minority of black people?
Is that a fair assumption?

by Ben Reilly Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:00 pm

There are a good number of people who support BLM who are racist against white people; who want to see the white people of today punished for the things their ancestors did.

There are also a good number of people who support BLM who will hug a white cop at a peaceful rally, because they feel the solidarity from a person who happens to be a police officer and happens to be white but doesn't think police forces should be treating black suspects the way they sometimes do.

You can't arrive at a general truth about BLM or most things, because it's too complicated. There are too many people with too many different agendas and visions of what BLM should be or stand for or do. It's messy. You can't seize upon the words or actions of a few of them and say they're all the same.

But I do know this -- there are actual hate groups out there with an agenda of doing as much harm as possible to blacks, or whites, or Catholics, or Protestants, or whatever. BLM doesn't strike me as anywhere near as bigoted as the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, the black seperatist groups in America, or many other similar organizations throughout the world.

Another problem with pegging BLM to one clear, stated agenda is that it's a leaderless, structureless movement, like Occupy Wall Street or the Arab Spring. Trying to suss out what the vast majority of its supporters stand for, besides "Police officers (of any race) treating black suspects worse than suspects of other races is wrong" is like herding cats.

by Ben Reilly Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:04 pm

The thing is, and I say this over and over, "Black Lives Matter" was a statement addressed to police and always implied a "Too" at the end, as in, "Police, Black Lives Matter Too."

I really don't see why this isn't apparent and understood by everyone.

by eddie Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:14 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:The thing is, and I say this over and over, "Black Lives Matter" was a statement addressed to police and always implied a "Too" at the end, as in, "Police, Black Lives Matter Too."

I really don't see why this isn't apparent and understood by everyone.

Maybe it’s not apparent because they didn’t call themselves “Black Lives Matter Too”????

by eddie Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:37 pm

What BLM needs is a decent, intelligent, spokesperson.

Right?

by Didgee Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:53 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:There are a good number of people who support BLM who are racist against white people; who want to see the white people of today punished for the things their ancestors did.

There are also a good number of people who support BLM who will hug a white cop at a peaceful rally, because they feel the solidarity from a person who happens to be a police officer and happens to be white but doesn't think police forces should be treating black suspects the way they sometimes do.

You can't arrive at a general truth about BLM or most things, because it's too complicated. There are too many people with too many different agendas and visions of what BLM should be or stand for or do. It's messy. You can't seize upon the words or actions of a few of them and say they're all the same.

But I do know this -- there are actual hate groups out there with an agenda of doing as much harm as possible to blacks, or whites, or Catholics, or Protestants, or whatever. BLM doesn't strike me as anywhere near as bigoted as the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, the black seperatist groups in America, or many other similar organizations throughout the world.

Another problem with pegging BLM to one clear, stated agenda is that it's a leaderless, structureless movement, like Occupy Wall Street or the Arab Spring. Trying to suss out what the vast majority of its supporters stand for, besides "Police officers (of any race) treating black suspects worse than suspects of other races is wrong" is like herding cats.

BLM was and is created based on a perception that black lives are seen as of lesser worth than whites in any given situation with the police

This is based upon only publicised cases of blacks being killed by Police officers, that their death is classed as unjustified

This never happens with an outcry when the victim is white

Hence the pre-proposed position is that . When ever a black life is taken by the Police and its clear its done so unjustified. That the position is its down to racism and because the victim was black

If we have a position of unjustified police action and it only centres on only black people killed through this lens

Then the concept of black lives matters is placing one racial group of people above another and only based on past racism in the US

Its a perceived view that every time there is a clear view that a shooting of a black person is always based off a starting position of racism

Its because in the US, they have never resolved the divide of the civil war

This hangover still persists in the US

The worst factor here is that the left and right in the US, do their very best to polarise each side through a racial lens politically

Of course black lives matter, but the reality is their lives are being used as pawns in a political debate

One that has never actually seen a real improvement for their lives generally in the US

Being as both Democrats and Republicans weaponize them for political gain

The reality is this though. The actual movement of Black lives matter at its core. Is about bringing down liberalism and democracy

This does not mean the majority of people who support black lives matter supports this

It does mean that a extreme element have capitalised on this to sow discord and anarchism in the US

by Didgee Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:58 pm

Didgee wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:There are a good number of people who support BLM who are racist against white people; who want to see the white people of today punished for the things their ancestors did.

There are also a good number of people who support BLM who will hug a white cop at a peaceful rally, because they feel the solidarity from a person who happens to be a police officer and happens to be white but doesn't think police forces should be treating black suspects the way they sometimes do.

You can't arrive at a general truth about BLM or most things, because it's too complicated. There are too many people with too many different agendas and visions of what BLM should be or stand for or do. It's messy. You can't seize upon the words or actions of a few of them and say they're all the same.

But I do know this -- there are actual hate groups out there with an agenda of doing as much harm as possible to blacks, or whites, or Catholics, or Protestants, or whatever. BLM doesn't strike me as anywhere near as bigoted as the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, the black seperatist groups in America, or many other similar organizations throughout the world.

Another problem with pegging BLM to one clear, stated agenda is that it's a leaderless, structureless movement, like Occupy Wall Street or the Arab Spring. Trying to suss out what the vast majority of its supporters stand for, besides "Police officers (of any race) treating black suspects worse than suspects of other races is wrong" is like herding cats.

BLM was and is created based on a perception that black lives are seen as of lesser worth than whites in any given situation with the police

This is based upon only publicised cases of blacks being killed by Police officers, that their death is classed as unjustified

This never happens with an outcry when the victim is white

Hence the pre-proposed position is that . When ever a black life is taken by the Police and its clear its done so unjustified. That the position is its down to racism and because the victim was black

If we have a position of unjustified police action and it only centres on only black people killed through this lens

Then the concept of black lives matters is placing one racial group of people above another and only based on past racism in the US

Its a perceived view that every time there is a clear view that a shooting of a black person is always based off a starting position of racism

Its because in the US, they have never resolved the divide of the civil war

This hangover still persists in the US

The worst factor here is that the left and right in the US, do their very best to polarise each side through a racial lens politically

Of course black lives matter, but the reality is their lives are being used as pawns in a political debate

One that has never actually seen a real improvement for their lives generally in the US

Being as both Democrats and Republicans weaponize them for political gain

The reality is this though. The actual movement of Black lives matter at its core. Is about bringing down liberalism and democracy

This does not mean the majority of people who support black lives matter supports this

It does mean that a extreme element have capitalised on this to sow discord and anarchism in the US

I would also add, that if black lives really did matter

We would never centre on those in the US or even Europe

We would centre on the millions of lives starving in Africa

Hence the BLM movement is based only on a falsehood. As its based to serve black lives way better than others around the world

AS the lives of actual starving Africans, play second fiddle to often black criminals shot by the Police

So do black lives matter, or only ones that live in the west?

by Ben Reilly Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:10 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:The thing is, and I say this over and over, "Black Lives Matter" was a statement addressed to police and always implied a "Too" at the end, as in, "Police, Black Lives Matter Too."

I really don't see why this isn't apparent and understood by everyone.

Maybe it’s not apparent because they didn’t call themselves “Black Lives Matter Too”????

Okay. But really, and everybody knows this deep down -- you should be able to say black lives matter, white lives matter, Asian lives matter, Hispanic lives matter, whatever -- and nobody should really object to that sentiment. Because the response to the phrase Black Lives Matter, by some, is "All Lives Matter" -- and they do. And all lives includes black lives along with every other race.

by Didgee Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:19 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

Maybe it’s not apparent because they didn’t call themselves “Black Lives Matter Too”????

Okay. But really, and everybody knows this deep down -- you should be able to say black lives matter, white lives matter, Asian lives matter, Hispanic lives matter, whatever -- and nobody should really object to that sentiment. Because the response to the phrase Black Lives Matter, by some, is "All Lives Matter" -- and they do. And all lives includes black lives along with every other race.

What value of life would you place on an innocent 3 year old killed compared to a criminal killed by the police Ben?

by Ben Reilly Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:23 pm

Didgee wrote:
Didgee wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:There are a good number of people who support BLM who are racist against white people; who want to see the white people of today punished for the things their ancestors did.

There are also a good number of people who support BLM who will hug a white cop at a peaceful rally, because they feel the solidarity from a person who happens to be a police officer and happens to be white but doesn't think police forces should be treating black suspects the way they sometimes do.

You can't arrive at a general truth about BLM or most things, because it's too complicated. There are too many people with too many different agendas and visions of what BLM should be or stand for or do. It's messy. You can't seize upon the words or actions of a few of them and say they're all the same.

But I do know this -- there are actual hate groups out there with an agenda of doing as much harm as possible to blacks, or whites, or Catholics, or Protestants, or whatever. BLM doesn't strike me as anywhere near as bigoted as the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, the black seperatist groups in America, or many other similar organizations throughout the world.

Another problem with pegging BLM to one clear, stated agenda is that it's a leaderless, structureless movement, like Occupy Wall Street or the Arab Spring. Trying to suss out what the vast majority of its supporters stand for, besides "Police officers (of any race) treating black suspects worse than suspects of other races is wrong" is like herding cats.

BLM was and is created based on a perception that black lives are seen as of lesser worth than whites in any given situation with the police

This is based upon only publicised cases of blacks being killed by Police officers, that their death is classed as unjustified

This never happens with an outcry when the victim is white

Hence the pre-proposed position is that . When ever a black life is taken by the Police and its clear its done so unjustified. That the position is its down to racism and because the victim was black

If we have a position of unjustified police action and it only centres on only black people killed through this lens

Then the concept of black lives matters is placing one racial group of people above another and only based on past racism in the US

Its a perceived view that every time there is a clear view that a shooting of a black person is always based off a starting position of racism

Its because in the US, they have never resolved the divide of the civil war

This hangover still persists in the US

The worst factor here is that the left and right in the US, do their very best to polarise each side through a racial lens politically

Of course black lives matter, but the reality is their lives are being used as pawns in a political debate

One that has never actually seen a real improvement for their lives generally in the US

Being as both Democrats and Republicans weaponize them for political gain

The reality is this though. The actual movement of Black lives matter at its core. Is about bringing down liberalism and democracy

This does not mean the majority of people who support black lives matter supports this

It does mean that a extreme element have capitalised on this to sow discord and anarchism in the US

I would also add, that if black lives really did matter

We would never centre on those in the US or even Europe

We would centre on the millions of lives starving in Africa

Hence the BLM movement is based only on a falsehood. As its based to serve black lives way better than others around the world

AS the lives of actual starving Africans, play second fiddle to often black criminals shot by the Police

So do black lives matter, or only ones that live in the west?

Oh lord, have you never listened to the other side of this debate, or do you just think you know best?

It's always been about the way American police forces tend to treat black people as though they're more dangerous than others.

You should at least try to understand the movement before you offer suggestions. Here's a good starting point:

* BLM was never about every black person in the world

* BLM was never about black-on-black violence (there are plenty of other groups for that, and BLM supporters in general do care about black-on-black violence, but ... )

* BLM is about telling American police that they shouldn't treat black people as any more disposable than people of other colors.

If you were to talk to BLM supporters, you'd find they care about many other things besides police shooting black people. But they want, among many other things they want, for police to be kinder to black people.

They're just as human as you and me. Let's use me as an example:

Just because I take up for the rights of gay people doesn't mean I only care about that and don't give a shit about global warming.

Were I to attend a gay rights rally, however, I would be really thrown if someone accused me of not caring about global warming.

So really, people should be able to protest the way cops treat black people without being accused of not caring about other causes.

by Ben Reilly Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:25 pm

Didgee wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

Maybe it’s not apparent because they didn’t call themselves “Black Lives Matter Too”????

Okay. But really, and everybody knows this deep down -- you should be able to say black lives matter, white lives matter, Asian lives matter, Hispanic lives matter, whatever -- and nobody should really object to that sentiment. Because the response to the phrase Black Lives Matter, by some, is "All Lives Matter" -- and they do. And all lives includes black lives along with every other race.

What value of life would you place on an innocent 3 year old killed compared to a criminal killed by the police Ben?

Police don't have a habit of killing innocent 3-year-olds; they do kill innocent black people disproportionately. That's just a fact, and it's a problem, in my opinion, because I think governments and police should treat people the same.

by eddie Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:28 pm

I will pick up on one point that didge made:

Millions of black people and children, starving in Africa, for years and years...

Where were Black Lives Matter, then?

That’s a good point.

by Didgee Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:44 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Didgee wrote:

I would also add, that if black lives really did matter

We would never centre on those in the US or even Europe

We would centre on the millions of lives starving in Africa

Hence the BLM movement is based only on a falsehood. As its based to serve black lives way better than others around the world

AS the lives of actual starving Africans, play second fiddle to often black criminals shot by the Police

So do black lives matter, or only ones that live in the west?

Oh lord, have you never listened to the other side of this debate, or do you just think you know best?

It's always been about the way American police forces tend to treat black people as though they're more dangerous than others.

You should at least try to understand the movement before you offer suggestions. Here's a good starting point:

* BLM was never about every black person in the world

* BLM was never about black-on-black violence (there are plenty of other groups for that, and BLM supporters in general do care about black-on-black violence, but ... )

* BLM is about telling American police that they shouldn't treat black people as any more disposable than people of other colors.

If you were to talk to BLM supporters, you'd find they care about many other things besides police shooting black people. But they want, among many other things they want, for police to be kinder to black people.

They're just as human as you and me. Let's use me as an example:

Just because I take up for the rights of gay people doesn't mean I only care about that and don't give a shit about global warming.

Were I to attend a gay rights rally, however, I would be really thrown if someone accused me of not caring about global warming.

So really, people should be able to protest the way cops treat black people without being accused of not caring about other causes.

1) No Ben I just avoid everything. What an arrogant fuckwit reply

2) Have you actually studied this or just gone off what you have perceived in the media? Have you studied why and how blacks are way over represented in violent crimes? Why Asians are not in the US?

Why is the former then more likely to be killed in a confrontation and the later not?

It dispels the racism element in the majority of cases of confrontations with police

Did you factor how many police are killed and by who?

If BLM is not about every Black lives, then its only about black suspected criminal lives killed by the Police

Lets think about for a moment

A movement is started based off mainly criminals and not many black innocent lives that die in the millions each year from starvation

Do you not think the organisation has their priorities all wrong?

Or do they only care about American Black lives?

3) But where is the marches Ben for when Blacks lives are daily killed by other black people Ben?

Do you not see the major issue here?

That those lives lost are seen of lesser value than suspected criminals killed by the Police?

They don't give a fucking shit about other lives lost

If they did, they would march everyday to bring about an end to violence

This is only about bring down liberalism

by Didgee Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:48 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Didgee wrote:

What value of life would you place on an innocent 3 year old killed compared to a criminal killed by the police Ben?

Police don't have a habit of killing innocent 3-year-olds; they do kill innocent black people disproportionately. That's just a fact, and it's a problem, in my opinion, because I think governments and police should treat people the same.

Really Ben?

What are you basing this proportionality on?

The amount of blacks involved in crime?

Which amounts to around over 30%

How is it a fact that Asians are not killed disproportionally Ben?

Is it because they are less likley to be involved in crimes and confrontations with Police?

When you look at the stats of people involved in crime, the stats are in proportion by those involved in crimes

10 million arrests each year

over 3 million are African American's

They commit 50% of homicides

Maybe you need to start looking at the stats of crimes committed by Black people Ben

by Didgee Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:00 am

I mean what does it say that people are more angered about generally criminals shot and killed by the Police. Often armed and with intent to attack the Police

That their lives matter more to people, than innocent black kids, shot daily in Chicago?

I think some people really need to check their moral compass

As that has to be the most fucked up view point I have ever heard

Yes its wrong when the Police kill innocent lives

Its far worse when innocent children are murder

So where the fuck is the protests and care for their lives?

Hence the BLM movement is founded and based on utter bullshit

It only cares about lives that are generally criminal, who have caused harm to other lives, before they died

What a broken morality system the Liberal left has become

Night everyone

by Maddog Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:37 am

Ben Reilly wrote:There are a good number of people who support BLM who are racist against white people; who want to see the white people of today punished for the things their ancestors did.

There are also a good number of people who support BLM who will hug a white cop at a peaceful rally, because they feel the solidarity from a person who happens to be a police officer and happens to be white but doesn't think police forces should be treating black suspects the way they sometimes do.

You can't arrive at a general truth about BLM or most things, because it's too complicated. There are too many people with too many different agendas and visions of what BLM should be or stand for or do. It's messy. You can't seize upon the words or actions of a few of them and say they're all the same.

But I do know this -- there are actual hate groups out there with an agenda of doing as much harm as possible to blacks, or whites, or Catholics, or Protestants, or whatever. BLM doesn't strike me as anywhere near as bigoted as the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, the black seperatist groups in America, or many other similar organizations throughout the world.

Another problem with pegging BLM to one clear, stated agenda is that it's a leaderless, structureless movement, like Occupy Wall Street or the Arab Spring. Trying to suss out what the vast majority of its supporters stand for, besides "Police officers (of any race) treating black suspects worse than suspects of other races is wrong" is like herding cats.

Dude, I watched the BLM rallies in Ft Worth, which were mostly peaceful. They were still calling the cops bastards regardless of their race. They weren't going to hug anyone.

Maybe there are BLM supporters that just stay home and post on social media, that would hug someone.

I dont think they are really the most racist group out there. They are just marxists that use the death of black people to further their cause. That's why they really dont want it stop. It's the source of their power.

by JulesV Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:46 am

Aww OP, you sweet lil poppet (whoever you are) - some of your thread titles are in lower case font but you seem to think this particular thread needs to have its title printed in 6 foot high block capitals so that it can be seen even from outer space. You should've used vibrant neon colours too. LMAO. BLM...... IS IT THE MOST RACIST GROUP EVER?? 3489511464

BLM...... IS IT THE MOST RACIST GROUP EVER?? 3489511464

by Syl Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:53 am

How patronising /\ Rolling Eyes

by JulesV Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:59 am

Didgee wrote:

BLM was and is created based on a perception that black lives are seen as of lesser worth than whites in any given situation with the police

This is based upon only publicised cases of blacks being killed by Police officers, that their death is classed as unjustified

This never happens with an outcry when the victim is white

Hence the pre-proposed position is that . When ever a black life is taken by the Police and its clear its done so unjustified. That the position is its down to racism and because the victim was black

If we have a position of unjustified police action and it only centres on only black people killed through this lens

Then the concept of black lives matters is placing one racial group of people above another and only based on past racism in the US

Its a perceived view that every time there is a clear view that a shooting of a black person is always based off a starting position of racism

Its because in the US, they have never resolved the divide of the civil war

This hangover still persists in the US

The worst factor here is that the left and right in the US, do their very best to polarise each side through a racial lens politically

Of course black lives matter, but the reality is their lives are being used as pawns in a political debate

One that has never actually seen a real improvement for their lives generally in the US

Being as both Democrats and Republicans weaponize them for political gain

The reality is this though. The actual movement of Black lives matter at its core. Is about bringing down liberalism and democracy

This does not mean the majority of people who support black lives matter supports this

It does mean that a extreme element have capitalised on this to sow discord and anarchism in the US

Didge do you ever shut your hyperactive hole long enough to see the wood for the trees? Shocked

The first thing any intelligent person should do before they even start discussing, is to correct the generalisations in the title- and that is what the sensible people did.

Sweeping generalisations is the creed of simpletons - their primitive brains cannot handle or compute anything other than basic general concepts.

When you start pandering to supremacist nonsense like this, its God's way of telling you you've got too much time on your hands.

I blame you primarily for the exodus of several good liberal posters from here.

Sit on that and ride it home! cheers

by Maddog Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:15 am

JulesV wrote:
Didgee wrote:

BLM was and is created based on a perception that black lives are seen as of lesser worth than whites in any given situation with the police

This is based upon only publicised cases of blacks being killed by Police officers, that their death is classed as unjustified

This never happens with an outcry when the victim is white

Hence the pre-proposed position is that . When ever a black life is taken by the Police and its clear its done so unjustified. That the position is its down to racism and because the victim was black

If we have a position of unjustified police action and it only centres on only black people killed through this lens

Then the concept of black lives matters is placing one racial group of people above another and only based on past racism in the US

Its a perceived view that every time there is a clear view that a shooting of a black person is always based off a starting position of racism

Its because in the US, they have never resolved the divide of the civil war

This hangover still persists in the US

The worst factor here is that the left and right in the US, do their very best to polarise each side through a racial lens politically

Of course black lives matter, but the reality is their lives are being used as pawns in a political debate

One that has never actually seen a real improvement for their lives generally in the US

Being as both Democrats and Republicans weaponize them for political gain

The reality is this though. The actual movement of Black lives matter at its core. Is about bringing down liberalism and democracy

This does not mean the majority of people who support black lives matter supports this

It does mean that a extreme element have capitalised on this to sow discord and anarchism in the US

Didge do you ever shut your hyperactive hole long enough to see the wood for the trees?

The first thing any intelligent person should do before they even start discussing, is to correct the generalisations in the title- and that is what the sensible people did.

Sweeping generalisations is the creed of simpletons - their primitive brains cannot handle or compute anything other than basic general concepts.

When you start pandering to supremacist nonsense like this, its God's way of telling you you've got too much time on your hands.

I blame you primarily for the exodus of several good liberal posters from here.

Sit on that and ride it home!

by eddie Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:24 am

JulesV wrote:Aww OP, you sweet lil poppet (whoever you are) - some of your thread titles are in lower case font but you seem to think this particular thread needs to have its title printed in 6 foot high block capitals so that it can be seen even from outer space. You should've used vibrant neon colours too. LMAO.

Right. All your own valid points.
But what do you think of the actual topic?

by Original Quill Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:09 am

eddie wrote:I will pick up on one point that didge made:

Millions of black people and children, starving in Africa, for years and years...

Where were Black Lives Matter, then?

That’s a good point.

Maybe Africans should pick up on that. Maybe the British government would help them.

As for BLM, they've got their hands full with racist police in America.

by Maddog Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:17 am

Speaking of Africans and black Americans, it's funny how the two groups often have such different perspectives of the US.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/24/key-facts-about-black-immigrants-in-the-u-s/

10% of all black people in the US are African immigrants. They are moving here in droves and doing quite well when they get here.

Weird.

by Original Quill Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:28 am

Maddog wrote:Speaking of Africans and black Americans, it's funny how the two groups often have such different perspectives of the US.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/24/key-facts-about-black-immigrants-in-the-u-s/

10% of all black people in the US are African immigrants. They are moving here in droves and doing quite well when they get here.

Weird.

Lol. Maybe they'll take over like the Hispanics. Imagine Texas a blue state. Wink

by Didgee Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:30 am

Maddog wrote:
JulesV wrote:

Didge do you ever shut your hyperactive hole long enough to see the wood for the trees?

The first thing any intelligent person should do before they even start discussing, is to correct the generalisations in the title- and that is what the sensible people did.

Sweeping generalisations is the creed of simpletons - their primitive brains cannot handle or compute anything other than basic general concepts.

When you start pandering to supremacist nonsense like this, its God's way of telling you you've got too much time on your hands.

I blame you primarily for the exodus of several good liberal posters from here.

Sit on that and ride it home!

lol, indeed

Love to know how or in what way I am pandering to Supremacist nonsense?

by Original Quill Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:31 am

Didge you're a racist...always have been...always will be.

by Didgee Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:33 am

Original Quill wrote:Didge you're a racist...always have been...always will be.

The definition of irony

The High Priestess of critical race theory, a racist concept itself, calling me racist lol

Hilarious

by Original Quill Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:37 am

Didgee wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Didge you're a racist...always have been...always will be.

The definition of irony

The High Priestess of critical race theory, a racist concept itself, calling me racist lol

Hilarious

Have you joined the Bugaloos yet?

by Didgee Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:39 am

Original Quill wrote:
Didgee wrote:

The definition of irony

The High Priestess of critical race theory, a racist concept itself, calling me racist lol

Hilarious

Have you joined the Bugaloos yet?

Not in a cult like you mate

by Maddog Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:25 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:Speaking of Africans and black Americans, it's funny how the two groups often have such different perspectives of the US.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/24/key-facts-about-black-immigrants-in-the-u-s/

10% of all black people in the US are African immigrants. They are moving here in droves and doing quite well when they get here.

Weird.

Lol. Maybe they'll take over like the Hispanics. Imagine Texas a blue state.

Maybe.

Hispanics and African Immigrants aren't lock step with the Democratic party, any more than white Texans are with the Republican party.

You're stereotypes don't serve you very well.

by inmyopinion Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:57 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

The media have a lot to answer for in their selective sensationalism of only some of these incidents...

absolutely, the media seem to think their job is to orchestrate pubic outrage and opinion, it's so sad that people cannot think for themselves.

by inmyopinion Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:02 am

Original Quill wrote:BLM stands only for saving the lives of blacks at the hands of the American police. They have done a great deal for this country, making the public aware of the infection of racism that still exists.

Others who break laws or misbehave are not acting in concert, nor on behalf of BLM, and so are outside the ambit of BLM's mission.

Indeed, many, if not most of them are white supremacists. They are known as the "boogaloo" movement—named for a 1980's breakdancing movie and characterized by members who carry weapons and wear Hawaiian shirts and tactical gear. They look to exploit and accelerate unrest in order to start a second civil war, including the killing of federal police, which they have already done. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/17/boogaloo-steven-carrillo/

oh what rubbish, so let's ignore the looters and vandals as they are inconveinient, blm is not a force for good in any way.

by inmyopinion Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:14 am

JulesV wrote:Aww OP, you sweet lil poppet (whoever you are) - some of your thread titles are in lower case font but you seem to think this particular thread needs to have its title printed in 6 foot high block capitals so that it can be seen even from outer space. You should've used vibrant neon colours too. LMAO.

If you feelyou have something to contribute to the debate go ahead ut somehow I doubt you have.

by inmyopinion Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:19 am

Ben Reilly wrote:The thing is, and I say this over and over, "Black Lives Matter" was a statement addressed to police and always implied a "Too" at the end, as in, "Police, Black Lives Matter Too."

I really don't see why this isn't apparent and understood by everyone.

perhaps it is because the very staement black lives matter is not inclusive and when someone says alllives matter the blm get aggressive and abusive, so they do not intend to be inclusive and their very agenda is derisive and intended to segregate.

by inmyopinion Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:21 am

Didgee wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:There are a good number of people who support BLM who are racist against white people; who want to see the white people of today punished for the things their ancestors did.

There are also a good number of people who support BLM who will hug a white cop at a peaceful rally, because they feel the solidarity from a person who happens to be a police officer and happens to be white but doesn't think police forces should be treating black suspects the way they sometimes do.

You can't arrive at a general truth about BLM or most things, because it's too complicated. There are too many people with too many different agendas and visions of what BLM should be or stand for or do. It's messy. You can't seize upon the words or actions of a few of them and say they're all the same.

But I do know this -- there are actual hate groups out there with an agenda of doing as much harm as possible to blacks, or whites, or Catholics, or Protestants, or whatever. BLM doesn't strike me as anywhere near as bigoted as the KKK, the Neo-Nazis, the black seperatist groups in America, or many other similar organizations throughout the world.

Another problem with pegging BLM to one clear, stated agenda is that it's a leaderless, structureless movement, like Occupy Wall Street or the Arab Spring. Trying to suss out what the vast majority of its supporters stand for, besides "Police officers (of any race) treating black suspects worse than suspects of other races is wrong" is like herding cats.

BLM was and is created based on a perception that black lives are seen as of lesser worth than whites in any given situation with the police

This is based upon only publicised cases of blacks being killed by Police officers, that their death is classed as unjustified

This never happens with an outcry when the victim is white

Hence the pre-proposed position is that . When ever a black life is taken by the Police and its clear its done so unjustified. That the position is its down to racism and because the victim was black

If we have a position of unjustified police action and it only centres on only black people killed through this lens

Then the concept of black lives matters is placing one racial group of people above another and only based on past racism in the US

Its a perceived view that every time there is a clear view that a shooting of a black person is always based off a starting position of racism

Its because in the US, they have never resolved the divide of the civil war

This hangover still persists in the US

The worst factor here is that the left and right in the US, do their very best to polarise each side through a racial lens politically

Of course black lives matter, but the reality is their lives are being used as pawns in a political debate

One that has never actually seen a real improvement for their lives generally in the US

Being as both Democrats and Republicans weaponize them for political gain

The reality is this though. The actual movement of Black lives matter at its core. Is about bringing down liberalism and democracy

This does not mean the majority of people who support black lives matter supports this

It does mean that a extreme element have capitalised on this to sow discord and anarchism in the US

excellent post.

by Original Quill Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:42 pm

inmyopinion wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:The thing is, and I say this over and over, "Black Lives Matter" was a statement addressed to police and always implied a "Too" at the end, as in, "Police, Black Lives Matter Too."

I really don't see why this isn't apparent and understood by everyone.

perhaps it is because the very staement black lives matter is not inclusive and when someone says alllives matter the blm get aggressive and abusive, so they do not intend to be inclusive and their very agenda is derisive and intended to segregate.

How "inclusive" was slavery? That's where it all began. Since then, blacks have always gotten the short end of the stick: Jim Crow, separate but equal, segregation, Ku Klux Klan, lynching, and white supremacy. Now, the racist American police indiscriminately kill black men for a broken tail light. So, it bears reminding not to regard black lives so cheaply: Black Lives Matter as well as the white lives.

BLM is not aggressive or abusive. They use signs.

by Tommy Monk Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Original Quill wrote:
inmyopinion wrote:

perhaps it is because the very staement black lives matter is not inclusive and when someone says alllives matter the blm get aggressive and abusive, so they do not intend to be inclusive and their very agenda is derisive and intended to segregate.

How "inclusive" was slavery? That's where it all began. Since then, blacks have always gotten the short end of the stick: Jim Crow, separate but equal, segregation, Ku Klux Klan, lynching, and white supremacy. Now, the racist American police indiscriminately kill black men for a broken tail light. So, it bears reminding not to regard black lives so cheaply: Black Lives Matter as well as the white lives.

BLM is not aggressive or abusive. They use signs.

Well... Black's were also slaveowners of other Black's in America... Black slaves themselves sometimes had Japanese women as sex slaves... Black's in Africa had their own black slaves, and were the ones rounding up and selling other Black's as slaves... The pygmies in the Congo are still slaves today of other Black's there... The Muslims were heavily involved in slavery and still are involved in certain countries... And modern day slavery in people trafficking and sex trade still goes on in every corner of the globe to all races of people...

So I'd say that is pretty inclusive...

I'd say that stamping out today's slavery problems was a priority... Not listening to one group of people, who actually have it quite good and aren't slaves at all, but want to keep bleating on about some historical shit that never even happened to them directly!

by Original Quill Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:08 pm

Lol. Yep, slavery was inclusive...all blacks got it.

Now they are being executed by American police. Make no mistake ... we don't want to leave any blacks out.

So much to do, so little time... Rolling Eyes

by Tommy Monk Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:18 am

Irish kid getting attacked by lovely peaceful black BLM people...

https://mobile.twitter.com/gearoidmurphy_/status/1269474571771621377?lang=en

Video can be seen here...

https://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/black-lives-matter-criminals-stabbing-a-irish-lad-blm-murder-white-guy-in-ireland_dZMXULRfXPDLifw.html

And...

Have a look at this other racist attack by another black thug...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1269638358709436417

Scroll down a little bit to video under post that says...

"From #Athy last week:
Black African thug goes up to unsuspecting Irish lad and plays the "SayNi**erAgain" game. Then performs beatdown for the camera.
Originally posted on Irish Drill YT channel."

Lovely lovely black people...

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