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Post by Maddog on Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:55 pm

Cesia Baires knocks on the three apartment doors above her restaurant and a neighboring taqueria just before curfew.

A woman opens the door. Her two young children are inside.

"Remember," she says to them in Spanish. "Same thing as yesterday. I'm going to come check on you. If there's anything you guys need, give us a call right away."

Meanwhile, a few men climb through the window and on to the roof to set up semi-automatic weapons as the curfew begins in Minneapolis. It's something Baires never thought she would have to do as a small-business owner, but then she found out these apartments were occupied.

"Material things we can replace, that's true," she says. "But there are families up here. These aren't empty buildings."

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Hur dur, why do you need semi automatic weapons that shoot 30 rounds to kill a deer?

You dont, unless deer start looting and burning buildings with families inside.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:17 pm

Looters are inevitably loners...opportunists, hardly willing to share booty with others.

Other than looters, you only have solid Americans, petitioning their government(s) for redress of rights. They are exercising their First Amendment rights, as you are by posting publicly.

RW'ers always scream CRIME, whenever anything looks out of the ordinary. Then they lift their AR-15's, which by their own admission, were intended to be used against governments. But there is no crime, save the usual shoplifters, now operating openly.

Put away the Armalites, no Revolution today. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:12 pm

Try reading the article, then commenting.

You'll look less ignorant than usual.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:43 pm

Maddog wrote:Try reading the article, then commenting.

You'll look less ignorant than usual.

I have read the article.  It's a relatively pointless, rambling piece that glorifies the need for guns.

NPR wrote:But many here say they don't understand the destruction, and they don't believe demonstrators protesting police brutality and systemic racism are behind much of the damage on this block. These are businesses and landmarks largely built by black and brown communities.

"Our neighborhood is under threat from white supremacists coming into Minneapolis," it says.

So they are a force without a point, guns without a place to point them.

NPR wrote:"I don't want to be here," Hernandez says. "We don't want to hurt anybody. But if we're in danger, we're probably going to use [our weapons] that's for sure. It's going to be self-defense. We're not going to shoot anybody. But if they start shooting, then it's different."

They give no assurances of their training, standards, authority or liability. Like you, their roots are in anarchy.  Also like you, they value property over human life.  They are vigilantes, looking for anybody to oppose.  It's history repeating itself.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:49 pm

A woman opens the door. Her two young children are inside.


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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:27 pm

Does anybody remember the title of that Charles Bronson movie where by the end he's basically just shooting everyone who looks like a hippy or a biker?

Asking for myself.

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Post by Vintage on Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:54 pm

Was it Death Wish, he became a vigilante when his wife was murdered and his daughter raped but went really rogue in the end.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:59 pm

Vintage wrote:Was it Death Wish, he became a vigilante when his wife was murdered and his daughter raped but went really rogue in the end.

YES! Thank you, I'd hug you if I could Smile

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Post by Vintage on Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:14 pm

Oh - er, thanks.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:10 am

Maddog wrote:A woman opens the door. Her two young children are inside.

You applaud this piece, because you hanker a chance to kill a black. It's your gun fantasy wrapped up in racist narrative. Your tighty-whiteys are showing.

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Post by eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:18 am

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Maddog wrote:A woman opens the door. Her two young children are inside.

You applaud this piece, because you hanker a chance to kill a black.  It's your gun fantasy wrapped up in racist narrative.  Your tighty-whiteys are showing.

I think this post is wholly unfair. Yes, Maddog “likes” guns, but to say he wants to “kill blacks”?

Seriously?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:20 am

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:A woman opens the door. Her two young children are inside.

You applaud this piece, because you hanker a chance to kill a black.  It's your gun fantasy wrapped up in racist narrative.  Your tighty-whiteys are showing.

Don't accuse someone here of wanting to kill anyone unless you have tangible proof. That's a fucking horrible thing to say.

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:27 am




lol, quill does that a lot. when he's out of his depth and doesn't want to address the post, he will simply ignore it and go in to attack mode.

you only just noticed?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:10 am

gelico wrote:


lol, quill does that a lot.  when he's out of his depth and doesn't want to address the post, he will simply ignore it and go in to attack mode.

you only just noticed?

Attack mode is one thing, accusing someone of harboring a murder fantasy is a bit more, no?

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Post by gelico on Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:22 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
gelico wrote:


lol, quill does that a lot.  when he's out of his depth and doesn't want to address the post, he will simply ignore it and go in to attack mode.

you only just noticed?

Attack mode is one thing, accusing someone of harboring a murder fantasy is a bit more, no?


no, that's just one thing quill will say to attack (especially maddog) quill makes these accusations all the time. you only have to look. it's nothing new

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:51 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
gelico wrote:


lol, quill does that a lot.  when he's out of his depth and doesn't want to address the post, he will simply ignore it and go in to attack mode.

you only just noticed?

Attack mode is one thing, accusing someone of harboring a murder fantasy is a bit more, no?

Not for Quill.

You must be new around here. Cool

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:57 am

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You applaud this piece, because you hanker a chance to kill a black.  It's your gun fantasy wrapped up in racist narrative.  Your tighty-whiteys are showing.

I think this post is wholly unfair. Yes, Maddog “likes” guns, but to say he wants to “kill blacks”?

Seriously?

I'm not really a gun guy. Not by Texas standards. I don't carry one even though I could.

I like the power they can give to people when faced with serious threats like in this piece. They were once called the great equalizer. I like making the weak, a bit more equal. Whether the weak is a person or maybe just people with a different opinion that want to be left alone.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:59 am

And I'd be remiss if I didnt say thank you for calling him out. Armed Neighborhood Groups Form In The Absence Of Police Protection 3406909858

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Post by Guest on Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:41 am

Yet another stark raving mad GOPTexan .
She first claimed the virus was a Democrat hoax, now she thinks the Floyd murder was staged to belittle Trump.
Are ALL Texans this crazy?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:54 pm

Brutus wrote:Yet another stark raving mad  GOPTexan .
She first claimed the virus was a Democrat hoax, now she thinks the Floyd murder was staged to belittle Trump.
Are ALL Texans this crazy?

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:02 pm

sleaze

Hopefully some of those armed dumbfuck redneck vigilantes will shoot each other...

Before the incompetent and untrained sociopaths end up killing some innocent bystanders..

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Post by 'Wolfie on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:06 pm

Brutus wrote:Yet another stark raving mad  GOPTexan .
She first claimed the virus was a Democrat hoax, now she thinks the Floyd murder was staged to belittle Trump.
Are ALL Texans this crazy?

https://mol.im/a/8389937

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It's those '5G Viruses'.

They've infected her brain..

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:17 pm

Ben wrote:Attack mode is one thing, accusing someone of harboring a murder fantasy is a bit more, no?

It's my opinion.  I believe most dedicated southerners harbor such sentiments.  And it so often comes true: Sandra Bland, Trayvon Martin, James Byrd, Jr, Ahmaud Arbery, Botham Jean, Anjonae J. Eubanks, Breonna Taylor, and the list goes on.

Frankly, given the facts, it's a well-founded opinion.

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:14 pm

In my opinion, men from California often have sexual fantasies about little boys. No doubt this applies to Quill.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:39 pm

Maddog wrote:In my opinion, men from California often have sexual fantasies about little boys. No doubt this applies to Quill.  

Did they used to keep little boys in slavery?  I don't think so.  There was no slavery in California.  You are just trying to smear the people honestly trying to make a better America.

You are just going to have to live with your southern history, and the legacy of your states.  Y'all simply have a hatred for African Americans.  Of course, there are exceptions, and I invite those, along with African Americans themselves, to speak out.  But for those who are continually drawing exceptions, offering false equivalencies, and making up weak excuses for the same behavior today...there is no excusing them.

It's just like you and Ben, saying 2-3 years ago, the legacy of racism is finally over in the US.  Oh ye, of false hope.  Y'all don't know what it looks like in the first place!  It will never end, and George Floyd proves it.  The most we can do is distance ourselves from it.  Set those states free.

Amexit for America!

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:17 pm

Ever hear of Hollywood?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:14 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:
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You applaud this piece, because you hanker a chance to kill a black.  It's your gun fantasy wrapped up in racist narrative.  Your tighty-whiteys are showing.

I think this post is wholly unfair. Yes, Maddog “likes” guns, but to say he wants to “kill blacks”?

Seriously?

I'm not really a gun guy.  Not by Texas standards.  I don't carry one even though I could.  

I like the power they can give to people when faced with serious threats like in this piece. They were once called the great equalizer. I like making the weak, a bit more equal. Whether the weak is a person or maybe just people with a different opinion that want to be left alone.  

Hmmm ... maybe the government should redistribute a little wealth and make the weak a bit more equal! Can we somehow frame self-defense as a fundamental right?

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Post by Maddog on Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:20 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I'm not really a gun guy.  Not by Texas standards.  I don't carry one even though I could.  

I like the power they can give to people when faced with serious threats like in this piece. They were once called the great equalizer. I like making the weak, a bit more equal. Whether the weak is a person or maybe just people with a different opinion that want to be left alone.  

Hmmm ... maybe the government should redistribute a little wealth and make the weak a bit more equal! Can we somehow frame self-defense as a fundamental right?


We could have a program where the poor are given guns I guess. That's how we handle a lot of things that aren't even rights. We subsidize them.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:28 am

Maddog wrote:We could have a program where the poor are given guns I guess.

Fook guns.  What good are guns?  Take the property of the 1%, and give it to the 99%.  That's the heart of the problem.  Start there.

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