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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:18 pm

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Women look set to be guaranteed female-only lavatories in public buildings after an outcry over the trend towards gender-neutral facilities.

Increasing numbers of publicly accessible lavatories - like those at The Old Vic theatre in London - are being converted into facilities that can be used by all.

However, public authorities have a duty to provide safe spaces for women in the lavatories in their buildings, and making all facilities gender-neutral may fall foul of building regulations.

Several peers complained this week that gender-neutral lavatories - which one Tory peer, Lord Lucas, said had been introduced by "woke" public bodies - made women feel uncomfortable.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/28/win-against-wokeness-women-have-right-female-only-lavatories/

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:14 am

Thorin wrote:It is endemic globally the violence of males. It does not matter to female victims of sexual abuse. In regards to your perception of how many violent males will use said facilities. Its the very thought and fact that they will. The link on unisex changing facilities proves that

Its not based on the chances of a violent male being in the toilet at the same time. Single sex facilities are based on a total ban of the opposite sex and for good reason. As we do not know the good from the bad men, just by looking at them. We know a number are dangerous though. |Hence the view is to provide a safeguard based on sex.

You still cannot grasp what triggers the trauma in females and why many will now avoid using toilets in public. 

Hence overhauling the toilet system is not an over reaction, when two vulnerable groups are at odds with each other over this. The two groups are trans women and bio women. 

Thus create safe universal systems for people. That eradicate the issue they both are at odds with each other on. Your view to enforce people to except something they are uncomfortable with. Fails dramatically in regards to again attempting to place yourself in the shoes of females

Every reply by you is centred on either gender ideology or assumptions in regard to me. In every single instance wrong by you

How is it an over reaction, when two vulnerable groups cannot agree and my system would allow for agreement?

This problem is very new. Trans people still make up way short of 1% of the population.

Now I am the last person to think we should make laws based on what has always been or based on the proportion of the population; most women don't seem to be terrified of using women's toilets, so just them carry on. If some places want to have single space facilities then good for them, but it shouldn't be expected imo.

Again, I think unisex toilets should just be scrapped entirely, as either they are unneeded (if the other 2 already exist) or they could be both inconvenient for men and uncomfortable for women if there is no other option.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:36 am

Eilzel wrote:
Thorin wrote:It is endemic globally the violence of males. It does not matter to female victims of sexual abuse. In regards to your perception of how many violent males will use said facilities. Its the very thought and fact that they will. The link on unisex changing facilities proves that

Its not based on the chances of a violent male being in the toilet at the same time. Single sex facilities are based on a total ban of the opposite sex and for good reason. As we do not know the good from the bad men, just by looking at them. We know a number are dangerous though. |Hence the view is to provide a safeguard based on sex.

You still cannot grasp what triggers the trauma in females and why many will now avoid using toilets in public. 

Hence overhauling the toilet system is not an over reaction, when two vulnerable groups are at odds with each other over this. The two groups are trans women and bio women. 

Thus create safe universal systems for people. That eradicate the issue they both are at odds with each other on. Your view to enforce people to except something they are uncomfortable with. Fails dramatically in regards to again attempting to place yourself in the shoes of females

Every reply by you is centred on either gender ideology or assumptions in regard to me. In every single instance wrong by you

How is it an over reaction, when two vulnerable groups cannot agree and my system would allow for agreement?

This problem is very new. Trans people still make up way short of 1% of the population.

Now I am the last person to think we should make laws based on what has always been or based on the proportion of the population; most women don't seem to be terrified of using women's toilets, so just them carry on. If some places want to have single space facilities then good for them, but it shouldn't be expected imo.

Again, I think unisex toilets should just be scrapped entirely, as either they are unneeded (if the other 2 already exist) or they could be both inconvenient for men and uncomfortable for women if there is no other option.


Ahh I see the time honoured male response, fuck women, they simple have to get over this right?

Based on some women not minding. The ones that do, Is you, basically telling them to fuck off'

How about people use the sex of their biology Eilzel? I mean based on your reasoning with the reality some trans people do not mind?

How about we simple say fuck off to gender ideology, which is homophobic and misogynistic?

Again I think left wing wankers from  the queer community are the issue here and the reason why support of the LGBT is dropping instead of in creasing

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Post by Eilzel on Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:48 am

Now who's making assertions as to what the other is saying?

Ultimately my argument here boils down to there being no way of pleasing everybody, and what we had was working fine generally.

I've nothing to add tbh.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:50 am

Eilzel wrote:Now who's making assertions as to what the other is saying?

Ultimately my argument here boils down to there being no way of pleasing everybody, and what we had was working fine generally.

I've nothing to add tbh.


That was apparent from the very start

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Post by JulesV on Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:52 am

@ title:
This is a case of change being RESISTED.
They want to conserve things as they are -- so isn't this just the conservatives being conservative? Who Would Have Thought Conservatives would be the ones to defend female rights? - Page 2 2190311264

The fact that their stance benefitted women on this occasion ..... is just a happy coincidence. Wink

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:31 am

JulesV wrote:@ title:
This is a case of change being RESISTED.
They want to conserve things as they are -- so isn't this just the conservatives being conservative? Who Would Have Thought Conservatives would be the ones to defend female rights? - Page 2 2190311264

The fact that their stance benefitted women on this occasion ..... is just a happy coincidence. Wink


No this is conservatives defending female rights from a an extremist gender religion

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Post by JulesV on Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:48 am

Well in order to 'defend these female rights', all the conservatives had to do was to.... stay in character.
Your thread title implies they acted out of character but in essence they were just being themselves.
They are called 'conservatives' because they aim to conserve the status quo and resist 'modern upstarts who like to change the old ways of doing things'.

As it happens, I have never liked the concept of unisex loos and never defended them being imposed on the public. I prefer the old style female-only loos.

No idea why you are chucking words like 'extremist' around. Who Would Have Thought Conservatives would be the ones to defend female rights? - Page 2 265384880

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:57 am

Stay in character?
The title is based on the left perpetually claiming progression, defending human rights is only down to the left.

I thought that was obvious

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Post by JulesV on Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:58 am

Thorin wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Now who's making assertions as to what the other is saying?

Ultimately my argument here boils down to there being no way of pleasing everybody, and what we had was working fine generally.

I've nothing to add tbh.


That was apparent from the very start
Rude. silent

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:11 am

JulesV wrote:
Thorin wrote:


That was apparent from the very start
Rude. silent

I am, what of it?

Yet I never started with the rudeness here. Eilzel did with his poor deflection. Of claiming I was upset. Though it came out he said this, simple because I stated a questioned asked was ridiculous

I know, who would get annoyed from that?

Clearly Eilzel did

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Post by JulesV on Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:17 am

Thorin wrote:Stay in character?
The title is based on the left perpetually claiming progression, defending human rights is only down to the left.

I thought that was obvious
Except that this is not progression. It's the opposite. It's conserving things the way they already are.

Look, the average conservative-minded lady does not want to share a communal loo area with men. She'd be mortified.  
Their stance here is them defending their own space and human rights.
They are looking after number one.
Obviously this stance benefits other women - but that's by the by.

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:24 am

JulesV wrote:
Thorin wrote:Stay in character?
The title is based on the left perpetually claiming progression, defending human rights is only down to the left.

I thought that was obvious
Except that this is not progression. It's the opposite. It's conserving things the way they already are.

Look, the average conservative-minded lady does not want to share a communal loo area with men. She'd be mortified.  
Their stance here is them defending their own space and human rights.
They are looking after number one.
Obviously their stance helps other women - but that's by the by.

1. Incorrect, as females are far from having equality. To deny them a protected characteristic. Is not progression, but regression.

2. Actually a third of women are sex and domestic violence victims. 99% of them will in no way wish to share a facility with men. Especially on their own. Now you have a vast number of females. Unable to use a facility that was designed for them. Something to bring about privacy and a form of a safe space. The very fact they cannot use said facilities. Based on a policy based of inclusion. Shows said policy, is in fact far more inclusive but massively exclusive.

Where males have been for centuries telling females what to do. Now we are continuing this to happen, by saying we should listen to males who identify as women. Over that of females who have lived as females all their lives. We are simple repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

3, The stance here is to defend female rights. Its called a sex based right. People are trying to replace "sex" as a right, with "gender". By doing so removes the very protection of sex, that females need.

4. Females are being hounded for simple not buying into a belief system. Its called gender.

wake up

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Post by JulesV on Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:45 am

Thorin wrote:The title is based on the left perpetually claiming progression, defending human rights is only down to the left.

JulesV wrote:Except that this is not 'progression'. It's the opposite. It's conserving things the way they already are.  
 
Thorin wrote: Incorrect, as females are far from having equality. To deny them a protected characteristic. Is not progression, but regression.  

Thorin, I was referring to the conservatives in my post there /\ /\, not the left.
Hence why I wrote "It's conserving things the way they already are."

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Post by JulesV on Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:48 am

Had my say. Cheerio. Smile

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:52 am

JulesV wrote:
Thorin wrote:The title is based on the left perpetually claiming progression, defending human rights is only down to the left.

JulesV wrote:Except that this is not 'progression'. It's the opposite. It's conserving things the way they already are.  
 
Thorin wrote: Incorrect, as females are far from having equality. To deny them a protected characteristic. Is not progression, but regression.  

Thorin, I was referring to the conservatives in my post there /\ /\, not the left.
Hence why I wrote "It's conserving things the way they already are."

Hence the same problem as with Brutus. Why are you only centring on certain females and not all females?

The biggest defenders of female rights are socialist females

Members of the Labour party

Yet their leadership has signed up to a pledge. That defines them as a hate group and to be expelled from the party

Simple because they believe in biological sex and that its impossible to change sex.

To claim this is hateful, is the latest adaption of religious blasphemy being created into law again.

Again wake up

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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:52 am

JulesV wrote:Had my say. Cheerio. Smile

Take care

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