'Nother shooting in Texas

ABC News wrote:5 shot dead in Texas after gunman allegedly fired at officer then fled: Police

EMILY SHAPIRO
ABC NewsAugust 31, 2019

Five people have been shot and killed by a gunman who opened fire in a series of shootings near Odessa in western Texas, according to authorities.

The suspect has been shot and killed, the Midland Police Department said.

Police said there were 21 shooting victims.

The shooting began with a traffic stop by a Texas Department of Public Safety officer, authorities said. It was not clear what led to the traffic stop.

The suspect fired at the officer and fled, and then started to shoot at people in multiple locations, police said.

The alleged gunman at one point ditched his car and stole a mail truck, authorities said.

The Department of Public Safety officer's injuries were non-life-threatening, Midland Mayor Jerry Morales told CNN.

A Midland police officer was also shot and underwent surgery, Morales said.

Midland Memorial Hospital has received six patients, three of whom are in critical condition, hospital officials said. The other three patients are in stable condition.

Midland and Odessa are in western Texas, about 20 miles apart.

"The state of Texas and the Department of Public Safety are working closely with local law enforcement to provide resources as needed and deliver justice for this heinous attack," Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement.

Abbott said, "We will not allow the Lone Star State to be overrun by hatred and violence. We will unite, as Texans always do, to respond to this tragedy.”

He added, "We offer our unwavering support to the victims, their families, and all the people of Midland and Odessa."

Abbott said he'll go to Odessa on Sunday.

President Donald Trump tweeted that he's been briefed by the attorney general.

"FBI and Law Enforcement is fully engaged," he tweeted. "More to follow."

This story is developing. Please check back for more updates.

Original Quill wrote:

ABC News wrote:5 shot dead in Texas after gunman allegedly fired at officer then fled: Police

EMILY SHAPIRO
ABC NewsAugust 31, 2019

Five people have been shot and killed by a gunman who opened fire in a series of shootings near Odessa in western Texas, according to authorities.

The suspect has been shot and killed, the Midland Police Department said.

Police said there were 21 shooting victims.

The shooting began with a traffic stop by a Texas Department of Public Safety officer, authorities said. It was not clear what led to the traffic stop.

The suspect fired at the officer and fled, and then started to shoot at people in multiple locations, police said.

The alleged gunman at one point ditched his car and stole a mail truck, authorities said.

The Department of Public Safety officer's injuries were non-life-threatening, Midland Mayor Jerry Morales told CNN.

A Midland police officer was also shot and underwent surgery, Morales said.

Midland Memorial Hospital has received six patients, three of whom are in critical condition, hospital officials said. The other three patients are in stable condition.

Midland and Odessa are in western Texas, about 20 miles apart.

"The state of Texas and the Department of Public Safety are working closely with local law enforcement to provide resources as needed and deliver justice for this heinous attack," Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said in a statement.

Abbott said, "We will not allow the Lone Star State to be overrun by hatred and violence. We will unite, as Texans always do, to respond to this tragedy.”

He added, "We offer our unwavering support to the victims, their families, and all the people of Midland and Odessa."

Abbott said he'll go to Odessa on Sunday.

President Donald Trump tweeted that he's been briefed by the attorney general.

"FBI and Law Enforcement is fully engaged," he tweeted. "More to follow."

This story is developing. Please check back for more updates.

Another 'good guy', according to the NRA, with rights to have his sacred gun, turns into a 'bad guy'.

Original Quill wrote:2nd Amendment.  Texas is an open carry state.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:2nd Amendment. Texas is an open carry state.

You can't open carry a handgun without a permit in Texas (and the NRA isn't really very pro open carry anyway).

Of course, he was in his car so he wasn't open carrying anyway.

But none of that matters if he wasn't legally allowed to own or possess a handgun.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You can't open carry a handgun without a permit in Texas (and the NRA isn't really very pro open carry anyway).    

Of course, he was in his car so he wasn't open carrying anyway.

But none of that matters if he wasn't legally allowed to own or possess a handgun.    

I thot Texas was open carry.  I seem to remember an incident when law enforcement confronted a motorcycle gang, members of which were legally open-carrying.  I remember because there was a discussion of how Texas might/should change that law.  I know Arizona is open carry.

As for vehicles, generally a firearm isn’t open carry if it is boxed, racked, and/or inaccessible.  If it is on the seat next to you or in your belt, it’s open carry.

Anyway, I don't know that much about Texas gun law, but your ideas about the NRA being perfect little angels is waaayy misplaced.  They will oppose anything that limits firearms, or attachments, on the grounds of the 'slippery slope' argument.

CNN wrote:Looser Firearm Laws Go Into Effect in Texas Hours After Shooting That Left 7 Dead

POSTED 7:43 AM, SEPTEMBER 1, 2019,
BY CNN WIRE

A series of new firearm laws go into effect in Texas on Sunday, just hours after a shooting left seven people dead in the western part of the state.

The laws will further loosen gun restrictions in a state that’s had four of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern US history, including the El Paso shooting last month, when a gunman stormed a Walmart and killed 22 people.

The new measures were all passed during the 2019 legislative session, which ended in June.

Here are the sweeping firearm laws going into effect:

Weapons on school grounds
House Bill 1143 says a school district cannot prohibit licensed gun owners, including school employees, from storing a firearm or ammunition in a locked vehicle on a school parking lot — provided they are not in plain view.

Kris Brown, president of gun violence prevention advocacy group Brady, criticized the bill going into effect September 1.

“Many states took the opportunity in the last two years to learn lessons from the tragedies in Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs, Parkland, and the every day gun violence that plagues our citizens, and enacted new laws to protect public safety through expanded background checks and extreme risk laws,” Brown said.

“Texas lawmakers, instead … doubled down on an NRA led agenda to encourage guns everywhere, no matter the risks and costs to safety.”

Marshals at schools
House Bill 1387 loosens restrictions on how many armed school marshals a school district can appoint.

Guns in foster homes
House Bill 2363 allows some foster homes to store firearms and ammunition in a safe and secure place for personal protection. Proper storage must be followed, the bill says, including putting firearms and ammunition together in the same locked locations.

Weapons in apartments
House Bill 302 bans homeowners or landlords of rental property from prohibiting residents from lawfully possessing, carrying, transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition in the property.

Handguns during a disaster
House Bill 1177 prohibits residents from being charged with a crime for carrying a handgun while evacuating from a state or local disaster area.

Firearms in places of worship
Senate Bill 535 clarifies the possession of firearms at churches, synagogues or other places of worship. It allows licensed handgun owners to legally carry their weapons in places of worship — and comes nearly two years after a gunman killed 26 people at Sutherland Springs church.

“We have learned many times over that there is no such thing as a gun free zone. Those with evil intentions will violate the law and carry out their heinous acts no matter what,” state Sen. Donna Campbell, co-sponsor of the bill, said in a statement. “It makes no sense to disarm the good guys and leave law-abiding citizens defenseless where violent offenders break the law to do great harm.”

The bill will make things clearer, she said.

“The existing statute is confusing and clunky when it comes to clearly stating the rights of licensed Texans to carry on the premises of a church. This bill provides clarity of the Legislature’s intent to treat churches in the same manner as other privately owned establishments in Texas.”

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Original Quill wrote:On the news this morning in the wake of the Odessa shooting, Texas looser gun laws take effect:

CNN wrote:Looser Firearm Laws Go Into Effect in Texas Hours After Shooting That Left 7 Dead

POSTED 7:43 AM, SEPTEMBER 1, 2019,
BY CNN WIRE

A series of new firearm laws go into effect in Texas on Sunday, just hours after a shooting left seven people dead in the western part of the state.

The laws will further loosen gun restrictions in a state that’s had four of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in modern US history, including the El Paso shooting last month, when a gunman stormed a Walmart and killed 22 people.

The new measures were all passed during the 2019 legislative session, which ended in June.

Here are the sweeping firearm laws going into effect:

Weapons on school grounds
House Bill 1143 says a school district cannot prohibit licensed gun owners, including school employees, from storing a firearm or ammunition in a locked vehicle on a school parking lot — provided they are not in plain view.

Kris Brown, president of gun violence prevention advocacy group Brady, criticized the bill going into effect September 1.

“Many states took the opportunity in the last two years to learn lessons from the tragedies in Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs, Parkland, and the every day gun violence that plagues our citizens, and enacted new laws to protect public safety through expanded background checks and extreme risk laws,” Brown said.

“Texas lawmakers, instead … doubled down on an NRA led agenda to encourage guns everywhere, no matter the risks and costs to safety.”

Marshals at schools
House Bill 1387 loosens restrictions on how many armed school marshals a school district can appoint.

Guns in foster homes
House Bill 2363 allows some foster homes to store firearms and ammunition in a safe and secure place for personal protection. Proper storage must be followed, the bill says, including putting firearms and ammunition together in the same locked locations.

Weapons in apartments
House Bill 302 bans homeowners or landlords of rental property from prohibiting residents from lawfully possessing, carrying, transporting or storing a firearm or ammunition in the property.

Handguns during a disaster
House Bill 1177 prohibits residents from being charged with a crime for carrying a handgun while evacuating from a state or local disaster area.

Firearms in places of worship
Senate Bill 535 clarifies the possession of firearms at churches, synagogues or other places of worship. It allows licensed handgun owners to legally carry their weapons in places of worship — and comes nearly two years after a gunman killed 26 people at Sutherland Springs church.

“We have learned many times over that there is no such thing as a gun free zone. Those with evil intentions will violate the law and carry out their heinous acts no matter what,” state Sen. Donna Campbell, co-sponsor of the bill, said in a statement. “It makes no sense to disarm the good guys and leave law-abiding citizens defenseless where violent offenders break the law to do great harm.”

The bill will make things clearer, she said.

“The existing statute is confusing and clunky when it comes to clearly stating the rights of licensed Texans to carry on the premises of a church. This bill provides clarity of the Legislature’s intent to treat churches in the same manner as other privately owned establishments in Texas.”

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It's going the wrong way in Republican country, even as they slaughter their own people.

If I understand gun rights advocates rightly, the more guns the better.  So, for example, I've never understood limiting guns to school marshals in schools, and perhaps teachers.  The students are the ones at risk.

A great portion of those students will soon graduate and enter the military, and within weeks be handling and shootings military-style weapons, unrestrained.  So, obviously, age is not a problem.

Why not arm the most vulnerable population of all...arm the students, and tell them to protect the teachers and marshals.

Maddog wrote:I think it's high time we ban mass shootings.

Maddog wrote:It's OK when Lurker played in his own little crazy threads,  but now hes branching out to the adult section.  

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:It's OK when Lurker played in his own little crazy threads,  but now hes branching out to the adult section.  

Still, he's publishing valid messages.  All precisely on point...what everyone is thinking, often in better ways of saying it.

Good on you, Lurker.  

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Still, he's publishing valid messages.  All precisely on point...what everyone is thinking, often in better ways of saying it.

Good on you, Lurker.  

Yeah. He's a Godsend. Like you.  

'Wolfie wrote:

Another successful outcome for DeputyDopeyDawg's beloved "concealed carry/open carry/defending life and property"" NRA-sponsored redneck heroes...

Just where were those heroic Texan redneck "public defender" vigilantes, when they were needed..

Most likely those fat and spineless boozed-up and stupid big-mouthed cowards turned tail and ran the opposite way, probably into the closest bar, when they learned there was a genuine real life "active shooter" on the loose ?

Maddog wrote:

'Wolfie wrote:

Another successful outcome for DeputyDopeyDawg's beloved "concealed carry/open carry/defending life and property"" NRA-sponsored redneck heroes...

Just where were those heroic Texan redneck "public defender" vigilantes, when they were needed..

Most likely those fat and spineless boozed-up and stupid big-mouthed cowards turned tail and ran the opposite way, probably into the closest bar, when they learned there was a genuine real life "active shooter" on the loose ?

Less than 4% have carry licenses. Some of those carry part time because of gun free zones (like where the shooter was killed). Of course we can carry in our vehicles without a permit, but even then, being able to return fire to a car driving at a high rate of speed, when you don't know he's about shoot is pretty much impossible.

 

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Less than 4% have carry licenses. Some of those carry part time because of gun free zones (like where the shooter was killed). Of course we can carry in our vehicles without a permit, but even then, being able to return fire to a car driving at a high rate of speed, when you don't know he's about shoot is pretty much impossible.

 

You offer a very good reason for going after the guns, rather than licenses, backgrounds, and mental records.

Guns don't kill people; people do.  But people don't have triggers; guns do.  

'Wolfie wrote:

Another successful outcome for DeputyDopeyDawg's beloved "concealed carry/open carry/defending life and property"" NRA-sponsored redneck heroes...

Just where were those heroic Texan redneck "public defender" vigilantes, when they were needed..

Most likely those fat and spineless boozed-up and stupid big-mouthed cowards turned tail and ran the opposite way, probably into the closest bar, when they learned there was a genuine real life "active shooter" on the loose ?

Maddog wrote:

'Wolfie wrote:

Another successful outcome for DeputyDopeyDawg's beloved "concealed carry/open carry/defending life and property"" NRA-sponsored redneck heroes...

Just where were those heroic Texan redneck "public defender" vigilantes, when they were needed..

Most likely those fat and spineless boozed-up and stupid big-mouthed cowards turned tail and ran the opposite way, probably into the closest bar, when they learned there was a genuine real life "active shooter" on the loose ?

The female homeowner told investigators she was doing some housework when she heard something break. She retrieved a pistol and hid in a closet. When the armed intruder opened the door, Gonzalez said the woman fired one shot, and it was fatal.

According to Sheriff Gonzalez, the intruder was armed with a gun.

"I commended her," said Gonzalez. "She was shaken up, but kudos to her. She could have been a victim. There's no way to know what could have happened. We're glad that she is alive."

https://abc13.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-north-harris-county/5364463/

She was in Houston shooting someone like you that prefers defenseless women.    

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The female homeowner told investigators she was doing some housework when she heard something break. She retrieved a pistol and hid in a closet. When the armed intruder opened the door, Gonzalez said the woman fired one shot, and it was fatal.

According to Sheriff Gonzalez, the intruder was armed with a gun.

"I commended her," said Gonzalez. "She was shaken up, but kudos to her. She could have been a victim. There's no way to know what could have happened. We're glad that she is alive."

https://abc13.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-north-harris-county/5364463/

She was in Houston shooting someone like you that prefers defenseless women.    

One story that turns out well, does not make up for the thousands that turn up in tragedies.  You can't generalize from specifics.

And I wouldn't trust a Harris County official on anything.  Aren't they the ones who murdered Sandra Bland, or was that Waller County?  Anyway, it was Houston.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

One story that turns out well, does not make up for the thousands that turn up in tragedies.  You can't generalize from specifics.

And I wouldn't trust a Harris County official on anything.  Aren't they the ones who murdered Sandra Bland, or was that Waller County?  Anyway, it was Houston.

There are hundreds of stories I could post. You're ignorance of them doesn't mean they didn't happen.

Maddog wrote:

'Wolfie wrote:

Another successful outcome for DeputyDopeyDawg's beloved "concealed carry/open carry/defending life and property"" NRA-sponsored redneck heroes...

Just where were those heroic Texan redneck "public defender" vigilantes, when they were needed..

Most likely those fat and spineless boozed-up and stupid big-mouthed cowards turned tail and ran the opposite way, probably into the closest bar, when they learned there was a genuine real life "active shooter" on the loose ?

The female homeowner told investigators she was doing some housework when she heard something break. She retrieved a pistol and hid in a closet. When the armed intruder opened the door, Gonzalez said the woman fired one shot, and it was fatal.

According to Sheriff Gonzalez, the intruder was armed with a gun.

"I commended her," said Gonzalez. "She was shaken up, but kudos to her. She could have been a victim. There's no way to know what could have happened. We're glad that she is alive."

https://abc13.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-north-harris-county/5364463/

She was in Houston shooting someone like you that prefers defenseless women.    

'Wolfie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The female homeowner told investigators she was doing some housework when she heard something break. She retrieved a pistol and hid in a closet. When the armed intruder opened the door, Gonzalez said the woman fired one shot, and it was fatal.

According to Sheriff Gonzalez, the intruder was armed with a gun.

"I commended her," said Gonzalez. "She was shaken up, but kudos to her. She could have been a victim. There's no way to know what could have happened. We're glad that she is alive."

https://abc13.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-north-harris-county/5364463/

She was in Houston shooting someone like you that prefers defenseless women.    

I "prefer defenceless women..".

What are you going on about now, you pathetic spineless piece of shit..

You really are one cowardly fat-headed little turd --  continually defending serial killers and excusing the NRA lies, occasionally dragging out those rare examples of,the 2% success rate in people defending themselves.

You're undoubtedly one of those bigmouthed cowards running the other way, hiding in the closest bar..

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

There are hundreds of stories I could post. You're ignorance of them doesn't mean they didn't happen.

I don't think so...if so, we would hear about them.  The press loves a 'good-guy-saves-the-day' story even more than these 'bad-guy-kills-7-people' stories we are hearing about every day (57 killed in August).

We don't hear of them in numbers, because they don't happen in numbers.

Maddog wrote:

'Wolfie wrote:


I "prefer defenceless women..".

What are you going on about now, you pathetic spineless piece of shit..

You really are one cowardly fat-headed little turd --  continually defending serial killers and excusing the NRA lies, occasionally dragging out those rare examples of,the 2% success rate in people defending themselves.

You're undoubtedly one of those bigmouthed cowards running the other way, hiding in the closest bar..

You don't seem to like the idea of people being able to defend themselves.

Gets you all worked up.  

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't think so...if so, we would hear about them.  The press loves a 'good-guy-saves-the-day' story even more than these 'bad-guy-kills-7-people' stories we are hearing about every day (57 killed in August).

We don't hear of them in numbers, because they don't happen in numbers.

We do hear about them.  

You're in the ignorant group that doesnt.

Original Quill wrote:Keep going.  In August 2019 alone, we have the following deaths/injuries by mass shooting to be matched:

Aug. 3rd..............El Paso 22/24
Aug. 3th..............Dayton 10/17
Aug 7th...............St. Louis 2/2
Aug. 23rd............Houston 3/2
Aug. 31st............Odessa 8/3

There were little ones, too.  But already we have 50 deaths/48 injuries...only in August.  If that is the measure of value for guns, have at it.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Keep going.  In August 2019 alone, we have the following deaths/injuries by mass shooting to be matched:

Aug. 3rd..............El Paso 22/24
Aug. 3th..............Dayton 10/17
Aug 7th...............St. Louis 2/2
Aug. 23rd............Houston 3/2
Aug. 31st............Odessa 8/3

There were little ones, too.  But already we have 50 deaths/48 injuries...only in August.  If that is the measure of value for guns, have at it.

There are far more deaths than 50. And for more defensive uses of guns too.

Maddog wrote:Tell me Quill, do you prefer your women unarmed?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Tell me Quill, do you prefer your women unarmed?

I prefer everybody unarmed, Red.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I prefer everybody unarmed, Red.

See, and I don't care if woman are armed. Lot of weird men on this planet.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

See, and I don't care if woman are armed. Lot of weird men on this planet.

I don't think it's an especially grave concern, as long as people are aware of their surroundings and take necessary precautions.

They could more easily shoot themselves in the foot than shoot a bad guy, so sell the gun at a police buy-back, and buy a cricket bat.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't think it's an especially grave concern, as long as people are aware of their surroundings and take necessary precautions.

They could more easily shoot themselves in the foot than shoot a bad guy, so sell the gun at a police buy-back, and buy a cricket bat.

Are you speaking for women now?

Using your white, male privilege to tell them what they need?

'Wolfie wrote:

Only in the likes of Texas would we see a desperate gun nutter like DeputyDopeyDawg arguing so fervently that all women should be armed to protect themselves...

After all, Dopey' probably knows better than anyone else how his depraved and perverted redneck brothers, cousins and nephews are likely to behave towards and around women..

If I lived in the 'Dawg's neighbourhood, I might well be advising them there good wimmin folks to arm themselves against him and his kind, as well  !

Ben Reilly wrote:I'm actually all in favor of arming American women as well, since none of them have shot up a school, a mall, etc.

That's all been done by white men, every single time in recent U.S. history.