10 dead/10 injured at high school shooting in Santa Fe Texas

Santa Fe, Tex.  Eight people are dead, and more injured in a shooting at Santa Fe high school in Santa Fe, Texas, about 20-miles south of Houston.  The shooting started at approximately 7:45 am, the beginning of the school day, when an alarm bell went off.  As students were exiting the buildings, students heard shots being fired.

The injured included at least one police officer, whose condition is unknown at this time.  The officer worked for the Santa Fe school district as a school resource officer.

One student said that a gunman entered her art class with what looked like a shotgun and began shooting at students, The New York Times reports. She said she saw a student get hit in the leg before she and others started running.

CNN quotes another student, Dakota Schrader, as saying: "I was in the history hallway, and as soon as we heard the alarms, everybody just started leaving following the same procedure as ... [a] practice fire drill," Shrader said, breaking into tears. "And next thing you know, we just hear ... three gunshots, loud explosions, and all the teachers are telling us to run."

Patients from the school are being taken to a hospital in Galveston, hospital spokesman Raul Reyes said.  A spokesman for the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston, said at least one patient had been taken to the hospital with another en route by helicopter as of mid-morning.

One person has been detained, the Harris County Sheriff's office reports.  He is uninjured.  A second person has been detained as well, Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said on Twitter.

This is the third school shooting in eight days, and the 22nd since the beginning of the year in the United States.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/us/school-shooting-santa-fe-texas.html

http://abc13.com/live-coverage-active-shooter-situation-at-santa-fe-hs/3490869/

Not again, what is happening? Many people are saying only 25 years ago they would have class mates bringing guns into school, because they would be going hunting with parents straight after school. There were no shootings in school and the people commentating said they never felt any fear of these people and their guns. To a certain extent, although we never had guns brought to school, shot guns and the like were fairly common sights when I was young or younger anyway, yet I didn't hear of anyone being shot, at least not deliberately. Many people just kept their guns on a rack over the mantlepiece, all in sight. While I don't want people to be shot, killed and injured
although there were accidents I'm sure, here in Britain many law abiding people no longer keep guns yet the criminal fraternity seem to have unlimited access. Are more young people becoming mentally ill because of what seems to be incredible peer pressure to be something few can attain?
You have to look good, be fashionable and be with the in crowd, the rest are also rans, who get bullied and the complete losers, who are marginalised. I admit I don't know much about the US school system but we seem to follow the US trend in this country and kids are having a tough time here and there's seems to be very little supervision when not in class. We were supervised even at break time by teachers in my day.

Sorry Victor, there is no equivalency on cars, with the US, when it comes to mass shootings. I know you have not posted but no more excuses,

There maybe many more people killed in car deaths, but the mass of them are not set out in this here to cause murder.

Yes we now have a new phenomenon, with people murdered with car deaths, but can you really make a comparrison?

I think you would have to look to Israel to actually do that

The act is again and no excuses, again someone, has their hands on a multiple guns and killed many people

That is a fact.

It does not happen in the UK

So there has to be some correlation here with gunownership

Could what have been doine with a knife or car?

The answer is emphatically no

Ah, yes...

Just another typical day in paradise...

For didge...


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/08/teenager-who-brought-shotgun-to-nuneaton-school-is-jailed

Tommy Monk wrote:

For didge...


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/08/teenager-who-brought-shotgun-to-nuneaton-school-is-jailed

And?

Didge wrote:Sorry Victor, there is no equivalency on cars, with the US, when it comes to mass shootings. I know you have not posted but no more excuses,

There maybe many more people killed in car deaths, but the mass of them are not set out in this here to cause murder.

Yes we now have a new phenomenon, with people murdered with car deaths, but can you really make a comparrison?

I think you would have to look to Israel to actually do that

The act is again and no excuses, again someone, has their hands on a multiple guns and killed many people

That is a fact.

It does not happen in the UK

So there has to be some correlation here with gunownership

Could what have been doine with a knife or car?

The answer is emphatically no

I have never said the equivalency with cars pzrticularly applied to the US.....In fact it is disingenious of you to claim so....However in BRITAIN, whos gun laws are about right, many lives would be saved by applying the same rules to car ownership as to.gun ownership.given that MOST road deaths are due to negligence on the part of one or other participant.. Subjecting car owners/users to similat laws as guns would ensure that ONLY fit and proper persons had access to and use thereof. RATHER than the pathetic set of rules we have as a legacy.

Lord Foul wrote:

Didge wrote:Sorry Victor, there is no equivalency on cars, with the US, when it comes to mass shootings. I know you have not posted but no more excuses,

There maybe many more people killed in car deaths, but the mass of them are not set out in this here to cause murder.

Yes we now have a new phenomenon, with people murdered with car deaths, but can you really make a comparrison?

I think you would have to look to Israel to actually do that

The act is again and no excuses, again someone, has their hands on a multiple guns and killed many people

That is a fact.

It does not happen in the UK

So there has to be some correlation here with gunownership

Could what have been doine with a knife or car?

The answer is emphatically no

I have never said the equivalency with cars pzrticularly applied to the US.....In fact it is disingenious of you to claim so....However in BRITAIN, whos gun laws are about right, many lives would be saved by applying the same rules to car ownership as to.gun ownership.given that MOST road deaths are due to negligence on the part of one or other participant.. Subjecting car owners/users to similat laws as guns would ensure that ONLY fit and proper persons had access to and use thereof. RATHER than the  pathetic set of rules we have as a legacy.

I have no issue with the above, so fair enough

I simple believe the arguments around the US on pro-guns, hold little validity.

Subjecting car owners to the same rigid laws as that for Gun owners would result in 50% or more off the road !

Nothing will change in the USA in the foreseeable future...

Not as long as they have gormless 'gun nuts' running their guvm'nt;  too spineless to 'grow a pair' and stand up against the bullies from the Arms industry, their lobbyists in the miniscule NRA* and various gun groups, and the brainless redneck communities and "militia" gangs voting for them..

Every second week we seem to be hearing empty platitudes and meaningless promises to "keep you in our prayers" from the US administration --  and yet, not a single thing has actually changed in the last 15 months.

It's still 'business as usual' for American gun owners..

And their school shooting victims...



*  N.B.  The NRA has less than 5 million members --  That's less than 1.5% of the US population, with their political influence way out of whack with the actual numbers.

The bottom line is why people feel the need to do this?
Unless they are terrorists with a religious or political doctrine why do they decide to go out and shoot as many people or school mates as they can?
There are still a lot of people with guns who do not suddenly go beserk and gun people down, not that I think ordinary people should have access to weapons like assault rifles etc. normally used by the military, by the way.

Vintage wrote:The bottom line is why people feel the need to do this?
Unless they are terrorists with a religious or political doctrine why do they decide to go out and shoot as many people or school mates as they can?
There are still a lot of people with guns who do not suddenly go beserk and gun people down, not that I think ordinary people should have access to weapons like assault rifles etc. normally used by the military, by the way.  

1) Hate

2) Having access to guns, increases the chances of more deaths, as seen by such events

3) Those people are still capable of doing the same

Vintage wrote:The bottom line is why people feel the need to do this?
Unless they are terrorists with a religious or political doctrine why do they decide to go out and shoot as many people or school mates as they can?
There are still a lot of people with guns who do not suddenly go beserk and gun people down, not that I think ordinary people should have access to weapons like assault rifles etc. normally used by the military, by the way.  

Effectively, you are changing the subject.  You ask: Why do people feel the need to do this?  Does it matter?  The fact is that they do. If we try to cure mental illness, or bullying, or whatever the cause, before we stop the shooting, we will have a hundred years more of the same.

We need to stop the shooting. Now! To launch some vague inquiry into mental illness, or family maladjustment, doesn't stop the shooting.  It's the same dull inaction as the "empty platitudes and meaningless promises to 'keep you in our prayers'..." pointedly raised by Wolf, two posts above.  The NRA and gun enthusiasts use the same tireless tactics of delay and deflection that conservatives everywhere use: who cares why we are not going anywhere; fact is, doing nothing is good!

There are several suggestions floating about to prevent school shootings, while respecting the 2nd Amendment and allowing guns.  The most common one these days is the arming of teachers.  Teachers with guns, it is argued, will create a counter force to a shooter, who will either surrender or end up dead.

But, this raises the question: Why teachers?  The teachers' job is to teach, and impart knowledge and reason to the students.  Violence, even in defense of self and others, is not the teacher's job.  Some will not have the aptitude, others will not have the willingness.  Besides, we already have school resource officers, and they do not seem to be effective.

If we are going to have uncontrolled guns, and we want to protect the students, why not arm the students?  They have the raw incentive: they are the ones who have an interest in protecting themselves.  Nothing could be more direct and appropriate.  Many will argue that students are too young and immature to handle the guns.  Yet, we give AR-15's to 18-year old's in the military all the time.  They know what to do, and are most effective.  Finally, there are many more students than teachers, and a well dispersed student body will be much more effective in stopping any shooter forthwith!

It's an idea. Comments?

There are some simple facts to dispel all of the bullshit arguments put forward by those parasitic American gun industry lobbyists...

*  Since the former John Howard's toryesque conservative gov't in Australia tightened up gun controls in the 1990s, shootings in Oz have dropped sharply, with less than 25% of the number of victims from shootings now compared to before --  and despite the number of shooters and guns having risen again here, since then..

*  The number of innocent civilians killed by guns in the USA -- and a large proportion of them being school and college/uni' students --  since the 1960s,  runs into millions, and is already higher than the total number of American killed in all of the wars that the USA has been involved in over the past 250 years  !!!  
While in turn, the number of casualties from wars greatly outnumbers the victims of terrorism against Americans (i.e. Millions versus thousands..).

* And yet the USA spends $$trillions$$ on their faux "War on Terrorism", while spending zilch on addressing their uniquely US-centric 'gun culture' problems.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

There are some simple facts to dispel all of the bullshit arguments put forward by those parasitic American gun industry lobbyists...

*  Since the former John Howard's toryesque conservative gov't in Australia tightened up gun controls in the 1990s, shootings in Oz have dropped sharply, with less than 25% of the number of victims from shootings now compared to before --  and despite the number of shooters and guns having risen again here, since then..

*  The number of innocent civilians killed by guns in the USA -- and a large proportion of them being school and college/uni' students --  since the 1960s,  runs into millions, and is already higher than the total number of American killed in all of the wars that the USA has been involved in over the past 250 years  !!!  
While in turn, the number of casualties from wars greatly outnumbers the victims of terrorism against Americans (i.e. Millions versus thousands..).

*  And yet the USA spends $$trillions$$ on their faux "War on Terrorism", while spending zilch on addressing their uniquely US-centric 'gun culture' problems.

I've made the same argument many times over, with respect to several aspects of life.  All these foreign adventures that the US involves itself in, when for a third of the money we could have a fully funded national healthcare program.

Hey...bullets don't kill more effectively than cancer or heart disease.  Somebody should do a study on who is the more complete killer...ISIS or respiratory failure??  Then direct our money to the greatest threat.  Why do we spend so much on munitions, and so little on combating cancer or heart illness?  It doesn't make sense.

nicko wrote:Subjecting car owners to the same rigid laws as that for Gun owners would result in 50% or more off the road !

And probably quite rightly so......if you are diagnosed with depression the cops will have your gun off you before you can blink......if you are a driver however...............

Here's my argument -- very few people use cars to kill, most people who choose to kill choose guns, because they kill very well. They were made for that purpose.

Okay, so let's just take Texas for example. In Texas, if you're going to buy your buddy's car, this is what you have to do:

* Fill out forms to document the purchase

* Have a license to drive the car and a license to identify the car to law enforcement

* Insure the car

* Submit the car to annual safety inspection

* Register the car with the state of Texas, annually

Now, to have a gun in the state of Texas, you have to:

* Buy the gun

Does that make any sense?

That’s just fucked up.

Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly wrote:Here's my argument -- very few people use cars to kill, most people who choose to kill choose guns, because they kill very well. They were made for that purpose.

Okay, so let's just take Texas for example. In Texas, if you're going to buy your buddy's car, this is what you have to do:

* Fill out forms to document the purchase

* Have a license to drive the car and a license to identify the car to law enforcement

* Insure the car

* Submit the car to annual safety inspection

* Register the car with the state of Texas, annually

Now, to have a gun in the state of Texas, you have to:

* Buy the gun

Does that make any sense?

So........insure the gun in case it shoots somebody?