Only a "one in a million" chance humans aren't responsible for climate change, scientists announce

OSLO (Reuters) - Evidence for man-made global warming has reached a "gold standard" level of certainty, adding pressure for cuts in greenhouse gases to limit rising temperatures, scientists said on Monday.

"Humanity cannot afford to ignore such clear signals," the U.S.-led team wrote in the journal Nature Climate Change of satellite measurements of rising temperatures over the past 40 years.

They said confidence that human activities were raising the heat at the Earth's surface had reached a "five-sigma" level, a statistical gauge meaning there is only a one-in-a-million chance that the signal would appear if there was no warming.

Such a "gold standard" was applied in 2012, for instance, to confirm the discovery of the Higgs boson subatomic particle, a basic building block of the universe.

Benjamin Santer, lead author of Monday's study at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, said he hoped the findings would win over skeptics and spur action.

"The narrative out there that scientists don't know the cause of climate change is wrong," he told Reuters. "We do."

Mainstream scientists say the burning of fossil fuels is causing more floods, droughts, heat waves and rising sea levels.

U.S. Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon has often cast doubt on global warming and plans to pull out of the 197-nation Paris climate agreement which seeks to end the fossil fuel era this century by shifting to cleaner energies such as wind and solar power.

Sixty-two percent of Americans polled in 2018 believed that climate change has a human cause, up from 47 percent in 2013, according to the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Vintage wrote:So what caused the 'climate change' (not my words) in 1315 - 1322 also known as the Little Ice Age, although this term tends to get some peoples backs up, with unpredictable weather continuing until the 19th century?
The climate changes, the Sahara was once abundant in flora and fauna, also Antartica to name a few obvious ones, wasn't there changes in S. America that saw cities abandoned.
I know we are polluting and changing entire areas that are affecting animals, the land itself, the real answer as another poster pointed out is human population control.

oh that ice age??

yeah it was caused by all the human industry and pollution from our cars and planes and farting cows that were going around in 1315

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:

He has to stop. Everyone has to stop being so fucking childish.

Eddie... try reading the forum rules...


Wolfboys constant mis-behaviour is clearly a banning offence... by your own rules... but all you miss just keep on letting him carry on, without even issuing regular basement punishments for any of his regular rule breaking offences...


Then you can hardly start punishing others for retaliating, can you...!?


So how do you expect anything to change...!?


If you're going to have rules here... then you need to enforce them immediately on those initiating the problems... fairly and squarely with issuing punishments to the offenders every time they cross the line...!


Stop letting certain posters get away with the shit, and then complain that things are getting out of hand cos others see the inaction of the mods, and then retaliate...!

eddie wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:4 posts on the trot containing nothing but childish abuse, with no counter argument or factual content.....

what were we saying earlier????

He has to stop. Everyone has to stop being so fucking childish.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

oh that ice age??

yeah it was caused by all the human industry and pollution from our cars and planes and farting cows that were going around in 1315

The Little Ice Age wasn't a global event;  it was confined to Europe and North America and was caused by an unusual series  of massive volcanic eruptions.

Maddog wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:



Eddie... try reading the forum rules...


Wolfboys constant mis-behaviour is clearly a banning offence... by your own rules... but all you miss just keep on letting him carry on, without even issuing regular basement punishments for any of his regular rule breaking offences...


Then you can hardly start punishing others for retaliating, can you...!?


So how do you expect anything to change...!?


If you're going to have rules here... then you need to enforce them immediately on those initiating the problems... fairly and squarely with issuing punishments to the offenders every time they cross the line...!


Stop letting certain posters get away with the shit, and then complain that things are getting out of hand cos others see the inaction of the mods, and then retaliate...!

This is the best post I have read on here in a few weeks.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Maddog wrote:

This is the best post I have read on here in a few weeks.

Ta very much!

Maddog wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Maddog wrote:

This is the best post I have read on here in a few weeks.

Ta very much!

I'll use an analogy Ben can relate to.  Doesnt matter where the strike zone is, but you have to call it consistently and the same for all players of any team.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

oh that ice age??

yeah it was caused by all the human industry and pollution from our cars and planes and farting cows that were going around in 1315

The Little Ice Age wasn't a global event;  it was confined to Europe and North America and was caused by an unusual series  of massive volcanic eruptions.

Vintage wrote:So what caused the 'climate change' (not my words) in 1315 - 1322 also known as the Little Ice Age, although this term tends to get some peoples backs up, with unpredictable weather continuing until the 19th century?
The climate changes, the Sahara was once abundant in flora and fauna, also Antartica to name a few obvious ones, wasn't there changes in S. America that saw cities abandoned.
I know we are polluting and changing entire areas that are affecting animals, the land itself, the real answer as another poster pointed out is human population control.

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

oh that ice age??

yeah it was caused by all the human industry and pollution from our cars and planes and farting cows that were going around in 1315

The Little Ice Age wasn't a global event;  it was confined to Europe and North America and was caused by an unusual series  of massive volcanic eruptions.

which is exactly the same as whats happening now - localised events caused by naturally occuring weather patterns and planetary functions

pay me money ben i just solved global climate warming change

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

The Little Ice Age wasn't a global event;  it was confined to Europe and North America and was caused by an unusual series  of massive volcanic eruptions.

which is exactly the same as whats happening now - localised events caused by naturally occuring weather patterns and planetary functions

Thor wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

The Little Ice Age wasn't a global event;  it was confined to Europe and North America and was caused by an unusual series  of massive volcanic eruptions.

which is exactly the same as whats happening now - localised events caused by naturally occuring weather patterns and planetary functions

How do you explain how its now global?

eddie wrote:

Thor wrote:




How do you explain how its now global?

By blaming women?

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

which is exactly the same as whats happening now - localised events caused by naturally occuring weather patterns and planetary functions

pay me money ben i just solved global climate warming change

Checking my jacket pockets for anything copper, and I'll have it heading to your secret fortress in the Marianas Trench within a fortnight.

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Checking my jacket pockets for anything copper, and I'll have it heading to your secret fortress in the Marianas Trench within a fortnight.

keep your change ben

maybe you can use it to buy a personality and a couple brain cells instead.

who knows maybe you might start thinking for yourself instead of listening to big business

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

which is exactly the same as whats happening now - localised events caused by naturally occuring weather patterns and planetary functions

pay me money ben i just solved global climate warming change

Checking my jacket pockets for anything copper, and I'll have it heading to your secret fortress in the Marianas Trench within a fortnight.

keep your change ben

maybe you can use it to buy a personality and a couple brain cells instead.

who knows maybe you might start thinking for yourself instead of listening to big business

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

keep your change ben

maybe you can use it to buy a personality and a couple brain cells instead.

who knows maybe you might start thinking for yourself instead of listening to big business

Nah, you deserve something for solving global warming (or climate change, as the Bush administration took to calling  it). I'll ask eddie if she'd  mind me kissing  you; would you like  that?

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

keep your change ben

maybe you can use it to buy a personality and a couple brain cells instead.

who knows maybe you might start thinking for yourself instead of listening to big business

Nah, you deserve something for solving global warming (or climate change, as the Bush administration took to calling  it). I'll ask eddie if she'd  mind me kissing  you; would you like  that?

Calm down harvey.

Keep your kisses to yourself, besides I get a better prize then you trying to force your slug down my throat.

I get to use air travel and my car and turn on my central heating in winter, with all the lights blazing and the log burner roaring.

Sometimes I don't even recycle properly.

I the best part is I get to not give a flying fuck about some fairy tale made up by a conman

eddie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I'll use an analogy Ben can relate to.  Doesnt matter where the strike zone is, but you have to call it consistently and the same for all players of any team.

Well we do try, but you know, we just dont read every single post!
Why don’t people report the posts and then we can act accordingly?

Jesus.

Maddog wrote:

eddie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I'll use an analogy Ben can relate to.  Doesnt matter where the strike zone is, but you have to call it consistently and the same for all players of any team.

Well we do try, but you know, we just dont read every single post!
Why don’t people report the posts and then we can act accordingly?

Jesus.

Well, pretty much everyone else can see them.  

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Well, pretty much everyone else can see them.  

Any interest in becoming our new mod? You can be in charge of instantaneous, 24-7 response!

Maddog wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Well, pretty much everyone else can see them.  

Any interest in becoming our new mod? You can be in charge of instantaneous, 24-7 response!

I could mod when I'm on. And go through posts and see when people are being abusive. You don't have to actually see it happen live, do you?

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I could mod when I'm on. And go through posts and see when people are being abusive. You don't have to actually see it happen live, do you?

You don't, but if you don't, and you want to police everything, you have to go back and read pages and pages  of old posts.

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Calm down harvey.

Keep your kisses to yourself, besides I get a better prize then you trying to force your slug down my throat.

I get to use air travel and my car and turn on my central heating in winter, with all the lights blazing and the log burner roaring.

Sometimes I don't even recycle properly.

I the best part is I get to not give a flying fuck about some fairy tale made up by a conman

Not trying to force anything down your throat, smelly - consent is paramount.

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Calm down harvey.

Keep your kisses to yourself, besides I get a better prize then you trying to force your slug down my throat.

I get to use air travel and my car and turn on my central heating in winter, with all the lights blazing and the log burner roaring.

Sometimes I don't even recycle properly.

I the best part is I get to not give a flying fuck about some fairy tale made up by a conman

Not trying to force anything down your throat, smelly - consent is paramount.

Bill Clinton begs to disagree

And Obama pimped his own daughter out to Harvey.

Maybe you should change sides, our team only grabs willing pussies

smelly-bandit wrote:Oh fuck not ANOTHER mod

Are there any actual normal non establishment affiliated posters on here apart from me???

Tommy Monk wrote:Dodge... your graphs are bullshit...!!!


Unless you can explain how historical global temperatures in your graph, are accurately measured prior to 1900...!?

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

The Little Ice Age wasn't a global event;  it was confined to Europe and North America and was caused by an unusual series  of massive volcanic eruptions.

which is exactly the same as whats happening now - localised events caused by naturally occuring weather patterns and planetary functions

pay me money ben i just solved global climate warming change

smelly-bandit wrote:

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:

Checking my jacket pockets for anything copper, and I'll have it heading to your secret fortress in the Marianas Trench within a fortnight.

keep your change ben

maybe you can use it to buy a personality and a couple brain cells instead.

who knows maybe you might start thinking for yourself instead of listening to big business

Tommy Monk wrote:
Take your time...!


You're gonna need plenty of it...!

Maddog wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:Oh fuck not ANOTHER mod

Are there any actual normal non establishment affiliated posters on here apart from me???

I'm non normal and often vote for a party that's gets less than 5% of the vote.

How non establishment affiliated do you want?  

Thor wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Take your time...!


You're gonna need plenty of it...!

Ice cores: The ratio of oxygen isotopes in ice indicates the temperature at the time ice was deposited as snow. Also, air bubbles can be analysed to measure carbon dioxide and methane concentrations at the time the bubbles were trapped in the ice.

Fossil pollen: Different classes of plants produce pollen grains with different distinctive shapes. Such pollen grains are often found preserved in sediment cores from ponds, lakes and oceans. They provide information on the type of plants that grew nearby when the sediments were formed.

Lake sediments: Composition and sedimentation rates change in response to environmental conditions. Pollen in the sediments can indicate the type of vegetation present, and plankton biota indicate physical and chemical conditions in the lake water.

Ocean sediment cores contain primitive shelled animals (foraminifera) whose abundance in the surface layers of the ocean depends on surface water temperature and other conditions.

Loess is deposits on land of wind borne material. Its accumulation at a particular location can provide information on past windiness and dryness.

Glaciers: Variations in the past size of glaciers can be inferred from the location of moraines (rocks and debris deposited by glaciers) and buried soils, and in the presence of glacial features in the landscape. In New Zealand, cool summer temperatures are only one factor in promoting ice accumulation on glaciers, and snow accumulation rates also respond to changes in the strength and direction of the westerly wind flow and sea level pressure in summer.

Speleothems: Glacial deposits embedded within speleothems (stalactites and stalagmites) can be used to indicate periods of glacial advance (the speleothems can be dated using uranium isotope techniques). A cave in Fiordland New Zealand, which has been repeatedly overrun by glaciers, provides information going back 230,000 years.

Tree ring width depends on the soil moisture, temperature and other growing conditions. Annual rings of trees in temperate forests can be used to reconstruct past climates.

Boreholes: It is sometimes possible to deduce past surface temperatures going back several hundred years by measuring the way temperature varies with depth in a borehole several hundred metres deep (at a suitable site not disturbed by groundwater flow). This is because fluctuations in ground surface temperatures propagate slowly downwards into the earth as a "temperature wave".

Instrumental easurements and written or oral records: In New Zealand, quantitative records of temperature and other meteorological records are available only for the past 150 years. Such records must be analysed carefully, to identify the influence of any non-climate factors (such as changes in observing site or method, or encroaching urban development).

Opps

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thor wrote:

Ice cores: The ratio of oxygen isotopes in ice indicates the temperature at the time ice was deposited as snow. Also, air bubbles can be analysed to measure carbon dioxide and methane concentrations at the time the bubbles were trapped in the ice.

Fossil pollen: Different classes of plants produce pollen grains with different distinctive shapes. Such pollen grains are often found preserved in sediment cores from ponds, lakes and oceans. They provide information on the type of plants that grew nearby when the sediments were formed.

Lake sediments: Composition and sedimentation rates change in response to environmental conditions. Pollen in the sediments can indicate the type of vegetation present, and plankton biota indicate physical and chemical conditions in the lake water.

Ocean sediment cores contain primitive shelled animals (foraminifera) whose abundance in the surface layers of the ocean depends on surface water temperature and other conditions.

Loess is deposits on land of wind borne material. Its accumulation at a particular location can provide information on past windiness and dryness.

Glaciers: Variations in the past size of glaciers can be inferred from the location of moraines (rocks and debris deposited by glaciers) and buried soils, and in the presence of glacial features in the landscape. In New Zealand, cool summer temperatures are only one factor in promoting ice accumulation on glaciers, and snow accumulation rates also respond to changes in the strength and direction of the westerly wind flow and sea level pressure in summer.

Speleothems: Glacial deposits embedded within speleothems (stalactites and stalagmites) can be used to indicate periods of glacial advance (the speleothems can be dated using uranium isotope techniques). A cave in Fiordland New Zealand, which has been repeatedly overrun by glaciers, provides information going back 230,000 years.

Tree ring width depends on the soil moisture, temperature and other growing conditions. Annual rings of trees in temperate forests can be used to reconstruct past climates.

Boreholes: It is sometimes possible to deduce past surface temperatures going back several hundred years by measuring the way temperature varies with depth in a borehole several hundred metres deep (at a suitable site not disturbed by groundwater flow). This is because fluctuations in ground surface temperatures propagate slowly downwards into the earth as a "temperature wave".

Instrumental easurements and written or oral records: In New Zealand, quantitative records of temperature and other meteorological records are available only for the past 150 years. Such records must be analysed carefully, to identify the influence of any non-climate factors (such as changes in observing site or method, or encroaching urban development).

Opps

Is that it...!?





You obviously don't have a clue about any of what you've just copy & pasted...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:From your article...


"...New Zealand temperatures over the past 150,000 years appear to broadly reflect those seen in the Vostok record..."



Here is an article about what the vostok ice core record shows us...


https://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/02/08/420000-years-of-data-suggestss-global-warming-is-not-man-made/


From the above article...


"...If we look to roughly 325,000 years ago, based on the Vostok data above, we see that Earth was at the peak of a warm interglacial period.  At that time, global temperature and CO2 levels were higher than they are today. Currently, we are again at the peak and near end of a warm interglacial. Based on the cycle, it would suggest that we are heading into another Ice Age period of cooling where global temperatures will drop and ice will again form heavily at the poles..."

Tommy Monk wrote:

You obviously don't understand any of what you are posting dodge...!!!


So... I'll leave you too it... and I'll wait for some sensible grown ups to post here...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:


From your cut & paste...


"...Loess is deposits on land of wind borne material. Its accumulation at a particular location can provide information on past windiness and dryness..."


And...


"...Instrumental easurements and written or oral records: In New Zealand, quantitative records of temperature and other meteorological records are available only for the past 150 years. Such records must be analysed carefully, to identify the influence of any non-climate factors (such as changes in observing site or method, or encroaching urban development)..."






You really don't have a clue do you...!!!???