Humans to Blame for Climate Change, Government Report Says

Tommy Monk wrote:

Angry Andy wrote:"Rubbish". Wails Tommy.

smelly-bandit wrote:

more money grabbing dogs spinning the narrative of their pay masters

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

more money grabbing dogs spinning the narrative of their pay masters

The "money grabbing dogs"  are the assorted company shills, paid lobbyists, 'owned' piliticians, spin doctors and advertising companies working in the 'Climate Denial' industry...

While their "pay masters" would be those mining, oil, and gas companies and other polluting corporations, that are profiting excessively from their combined exploitation and slow-but-steady destruction of this planet..

With the Koch Bros. being the biggest single donors to the denialist cause.
And you and TommyMonk being perfect examples of their unpaid clueless patsies..

You keep on denying climate change,  SmellyScienceIsBunkumTrollski  --  and yet not once have you managed to provide any corroborating evidence to back your lunatic rants on here  !?!    

Tommy Monk wrote:I have shown evidence that most of the last 8000 years has seen as warm and warmer times, with lower CO2 levels... also the mere existence of plant species such as the Giant Sequoia tree shows that we have had millions of years of warmer temps as the norm...!


People like fleakeeper and handy can keep denying this 'inconvenient truth', but the facts remain!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:I have shown evidence that most of the last 8000 years has been at least as warm as now, or even warmer, with lower CO2 levels... also the mere existence of plant species such as the Giant Sequoia tree shows that we have had millions of years of warmer temps as the norm...!


People like fleakeeper and handy can keep denying this 'inconvenient truth', but the facts remain!!!

Vintage wrote:
So, if humans caused it all by themselves, what are we going to do about it? Do we go back to horse and carriage and candles, are solar and wind power going to be enough, the population of the world is constantly growing, one of the biggest problems when it comes down to it, even though Europe's birth rate is falling drastically, all these people expect to keep what they have light, heat, personal transport and entertainment as and when required and more and more people in developing countries obviously want the same. The only solutions that seem to have come around so far are expecting people to pay more for everything which doesn't really hurt people in the higher economic levels but causes great
problems for the ordinary people. I already know people who have to literally decide if they put the heating on or have something to eat, they already pay more for gas and electric on prepay system. The poorest already have a small carbon footprint, no car, hardly any heating, etc.

smelly-bandit wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
I have shown evidence that most of the last 8000 years has seen as warm and warmer times, with lower CO2 levels... also the mere existence of plant species such as the Giant Sequoia tree shows that we have had millions of years of warmer temps as the norm...!

People like fleakeeper and handy can keep denying this 'inconvenient truth', but the facts remain!!!

More outright lies from twatface shill and self-declared 'genius' Tommy...
Tommy claims "facts",  but all he keeps on doing is rehashing his usual denialist propaganda rubbish and misconstrued half-truths..

they are brainwashed, no different to the religious fanatics of ISIS.

they will believe whatever they are told and will kill any who oppose them

Still haven't produced any actual evidence yet,  to back your half-witted denialist nonsense claims I see,  oh SmellyArrogantTrollster..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Vintage wrote:
So, if humans caused it all by themselves, what are we going to do about it? Do we go back to horse and carriage and candles, are solar and wind power going to be enough, the population of the world is constantly growing, one of the biggest problems when it comes down to it, even though Europe's birth rate is falling drastically, all these people expect to keep what they have light, heat, personal transport and entertainment as and when required and more and more people in developing countries obviously want the same. The only solutions that seem to have come around so far are expecting people to pay more for everything which doesn't really hurt people in the higher economic levels but causes great
problems for the ordinary people. I already know people who have to literally decide if they put the heating on or have something to eat, they already pay more for gas and electric on prepay system. The poorest already have a small carbon footprint, no car, hardly any heating, etc.

the point in worrying about peoples' futures, local economies or personal welfare issues --  if the planet becomes so fucked-up in the meantime,  by the fossil fuel industries and polluting industries,  that it is no longer livable  ???

You cannot eat and breathe money,  once the environment is so far degraded that mankind can no longer grow food, drink clean water, or breathe the air..


No-one here is claiming that "climate change" is totally down to human activity alone --  but rather that the accumulating effects from burning of fossil fuels, deforrestation, and unbridled industrial activity over the past three centuries is greatly increasing that rate of change..

The negatives that you suggest above (horses, lack of electricity, rising costs of living, etc..) that might result from winding-back current pollution are pure bullshit propaganda --  courtesy of the fossil fuel producers, their paid lobbyists, and unpaid anti-science shill twats the likes of Tommy and SmellyArseBrain.


The solutions to reduce the rate of climate change damage really aren't all that hard :

*  Double the current rates of re-forrestation efforts --  and increase biodiversity at the same time;

*  Phase out the burning of Fossil fuels --  both in transport, and power generation;

*  Make the corporations pay their way, and face up to their responsibilities;

*  Make those companies pay a fair and proper share of taxes;

*  Bans against airmand water pollution from industry;

*  Improved agricultural and forestry practices;

*  And, stop fucking up the oceans --  which should include international bans on harvesting krill and plankton;  bans on whaling, long-lining and gill-netting;  and bans on polluting waterways, beaches and oceans..

And,  shoot all of those parasitic industry lobbyists...