Mums Protest Outside Birmingham School For 'Promoting Homosexuality' To Kids

by Guest Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:43 pm

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A group of around 20 parents are threatening to remove their children from a primary school with a gay assistant head teacher, after claiming it is “over-promoting LGBT movements”.

Parkfield Community School in Saltley, Birmingham, has been criticised by some parents for piloting a programme called No Outsiders, run by Andrew Moffat MBE, which challenges discrimination, including homophobia, in schools.

Books being read as part of the programme at the 770-pupil school, where 23 nationalities are represented, include Mommy, Mama and Me and King & King – stories about same-sex relationships and marriages.

But furious mum-of-three Fatima Shah has already taken her 10-year-old daughter out of school in protest, and has started a petition to halt the lessons.

She told HuffPost UK: “It’s inappropriate, totally wrong. Children are being told it’s OK to be gay yet 98% of children at this school are Muslim. It’s a Muslim community.

“I’ve taken my daughter out and other parents have too. I’ve been threatened with a fine and told my daughter will be removed from the school register if I continue but I have no choice.”

In 2016 Parkfield Community school was awarded Outstanding status by Ofsted and the No Outsiders scheme was highlighted as a key strength. A year later, Moffat was awarded an MBE for services to equality and diversity in education.

But Shad said Moffat’s programme is against her Islamic beliefs. “My daughter came home and told me am I OK to be a boy? It’s confusing children about sexuality.”

Shah said she would be keeping her daughter at home until “something is done”. The mother said she had been paying for £20-per-hour home tuition instead.

While Shah is against the programme at Parkfield, the 29-year-old insists “gay people should be treated with mutual respect”.

She added: “We believe in fundamental British values and believe gay people should be treated with mutual respect and without prejudice or discrimination just like any other human being.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/mums-protest-outside-school-for-promoting-homosexuality-to-their-kids_uk_5c4f0fb0e4b0e1872d45e941

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/councillor-backs-Muslim-mums-who-15736394

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:21 am

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

You are wrong!!!

Have a look into the studies and the evidence and you will see for yourself!!!

You are wrong. There are no such studies that say what you are saying.

Imagine we took the view to be an exclusive society that Tomm y wants

Would he object the majority, wanting to remove him from society

I mean he is all for democracy

lol!

I very much doubt he will grasp this point, in how we are a inclusive society, even to hateful dicks like himself

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:22 am

Thor wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:My original claim was that young children have an innate sense of right/wrong... and there is a wide spread of evidence that supports this...

And as to my subsequent claim that children fare best with their mother and father... this is also backed up by wide ranging studies of the evidence...

So based on your daft reasoning, should we place all children into care, when they have single parents?

The first point is quite ridiculous

For example racism is taught, its not innate. So how do they have an innate ability to know right from wrong

A child only learns from doing things wrong like sticking their hand into a fire. As they have no comprehension of the hurt it can cause

In fact babies are unlike you, without prejudice

They are taught prejudice, from people like you

Still waiting for an answer Tommy?

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:23 am

Thor wrote:
Thor wrote:

Kids fare best with two parents.

So thus the reality is based on numbers, not whteher they are a mother and father. As clearly two mums or two fathers is as good.

So do you think single parents should then have their kids removed basd on this?

That is essentially what you seem to be claiming here.

Should we then place them in care, because two parents are better than one?

Do you think a child in care is going to be better off without any parents?

You see this kind of ridiculous argument being used to deny gay parents raising children is as seen not only riduckoouse, it renders single parents. According to you, unable to raise children

So if two parents that are gay are equally as good as a hetrosexual parents, then what is your issue?

If your issue is on parenting. Why are you not against kids being raised by one parent?

You do realise this exposes why you are a complete dick

To your next point

What research have you done Tommy?

You keep claiming people should do some research and never offer up anything to substantiate this

So I will post some research for you

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/13/there-is-no-harm-caused-by-same-sex-parenting-studies-suggesting-otherwise-are-skewed

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/adopting-reason/201611/kids-can-thrive-gay-parents

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-children-better-off-with-a-mother-and-father-than-with-same-sex-parents-82313

So the question to ask, is why your research here is clearly not valid

As why are you ignoring all the many research on this that shows how well kids do with gay parents?

So have you actually done any balanced research on this Tommy?

I guess the answer is clearly no

Still waiting for an answer Tommy

by eddie Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:24 am

eddie wrote:Tommy, I ask you this: have I done something wrong as a parent?

Just answer that question and we will go from there.

I am sorry this thread got derailed but I am trying to get Tommy to answer this (I won’t take offence, I really don’t take offence at people’s opinions, it’s only lies I won’t tolerate) so please answer me truthfully, I swear I will not get angry, and we can go from there.

Night Tommy.

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:33 am

eddie wrote:
eddie wrote:Tommy, I ask you this: have I done something wrong as a parent?

Just answer that question and we will go from there.

I am sorry this thread got derailed but I am trying to get Tommy to answer this (I won’t take offence, I really don’t take offence at people’s opinions, it’s only lies I won’t tolerate) so please answer me truthfully, I swear I will not get angry, and we can go from there.

Night Tommy.

Ouch

Dont believe you are not angry Eddie at this and you have every right to be angry

You have raised two children as a single parent for a time

He is never going to answer this, because his bog stadard is that 2 is better than one

I can easily understand how this would be insulting to you

So tyhe thread never got derailed. What Tommy is saying is that your kids would be better off with two parents

In other words he thinks you are thus incapable of rasing children on your own, as you have done so well. Being the fact they are loving children

Hence you are annoyed at Tommy's lies here

Its why he will not answer my points. In that should children in single parent families be placed into care.

The reality is this. Tommy does not give a flying fuck about children. He only wants to use them, to promote his fascist intolerant ideology

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:43 am

The reality is this here

Tommy is very hateful towards people who are homosexual. That is evident.

His warped reasoning is this. Tht if a child grows up in a family that is gay the child will be gay. It shows his complete ignorance of science on attraction. It also shows he is hateful. That he has an innate hate against homosexuals. Nobody can control who they are phsyically attracted too. They only can act on this attraction. Thus Tommy;s views actually go against science and shows why he is a complete bigot. Where yet again in a democratic society, he is tolerated. Even though his hate is on a par with the worst far right and Islamic extrmists thugs.

The real issue here, is that Tommy does not want to tolerate homosexuality and if given the chance would eradicate them from society. He will no doubt not admit this, but as seen by his arguments over parent numbers. All can see, how he actually does not care for the welfare of children. Its only about how he hates gay people.

He has not even shown any evidence here and even off his claims, would show that he would have to back single parents not being fit to raise children

I pity the fuck wit, as he is nothiong more than hateful scum and yet even I believe he should be allowed to be a part of society. As he fails to understand what inclusive means.

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:43 pm

Didge you cretin... the evidence is clear that a child fares best in a normal mother and father family structure... not with a couple of gays/lesbians...

But this is not what the OP/thread is about...

It is about the overt and over the top promotion of homosexuality to to young children that is clearly detrimental to the children as it is causing them huge confusion.

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Didge you cretin... the evidence is clear that a child fares best in a normal mother and father family structure... not with a couple of gays/lesbians...

But this is not what the OP/thread is about...

It is about the overt and over the top promotion of homosexuality to to young children that is clearly detrimental to the children as it is causing them huge confusion.

But studies show you are emphatically lying

as they fare as well and if not better with 2 gay parents

The op is about teaching how to be inclusive. You want to be exclusive, where the school is teaching children to be inclusive

I wonder how you would feel, if society excluded Far right extremists like yourself

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:49 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

It is about the overt and over the top promotion of homosexuality to to young children that is clearly detrimental to the children as it is causing them huge confusion.

but tommy, if young children believe that the only way, or at least the ''normal'' way is for child to have a mummy and a daddy and that child doesn't have that then that will also be confusing, no?

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:56 pm

Is it the normal and natural way of things that children are born of a mother and a father... or not?

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:00 pm

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-children-better-off-with-a-mother-and-father-than-with-same-sex-parents-82313

Posted again to prove Tommy is talking bollocks

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:04 pm

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/marriage/marriage/30-years-of-research

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:05 pm

Analysing studies that show different results
Some studies have indicated that adults raised by same-sex parents fare worse on some educational, social or emotional outcomes. But the majority of research does not support this. There are also studies that have been published and later discredited, but continue to be used as references.

The 2012 US New Family Structures Study, also known as the “Regnerus study”, is often cited by groups opposed to same-sex marriage.

The study looked at outcomes for adults aged 18-39. It compared outcomes for adults with a parent who had had a same-sex relationship, with outcomes for adults raised by still-married, heterosexual couples who were biologically related to their children. It showed the adults with a gay or lesbian parent or parents fared worse on a range of social, educational and health outcomes. But this study has been very widely criticised.

In a brief filed in the US Supreme Court in 2015, the American Sociological Association said:

The Regnerus study … did not specifically examine children raised by same-sex parents, and provides no support for the conclusions that same-sex parents are inferior parents or that the children of same-sex parents experience worse outcomes.

As outlined by the American Sociological Association, the study removed all divorced, single, and step-parent families from the heterosexual group, leaving only stable, married, heterosexual families as the comparison. In addition, Regnerus categorised children as having been raised by a parent in a same-sex relationship

regardless of whether they were in fact raised by the parent … and regardless of the amount of time that they spent under the parent’s care.

A subsequent reanalysis of the data, using different criteria for categorising respondents, found the results inconclusive, or suggestive that “adult children raised by same-sex two-parent families show a comparable adult profile to their peers raised by two-biological-parent families”.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-children-better-off-with-a-mother-and-father-than-with-same-sex-parents-82313

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:08 pm

Eddie: "Have I done anything wrong as a parent?"

Didge: "Should children with single parents be put in care?"

Eilzel: "Do children only ask about things that are wrong?"

Gelico: "Wouldn't it be confusing to only be taught that a mother and father is right if that is not what they have?"

Just a small selection of the questions tommy has completely avoided answering...

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:09 pm

http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/another-study-finds-same-sex-parenting-isnt-best-for-kids/

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:09 pm

Thor wrote:Analysing studies that show different results
Some studies have indicated that adults raised by same-sex parents fare worse on some educational, social or emotional outcomes. But the majority of research does not support this. There are also studies that have been published and later discredited, but continue to be used as references.

The 2012 US New Family Structures Study, also known as the “Regnerus study”, is often cited by groups opposed to same-sex marriage.

The study looked at outcomes for adults aged 18-39. It compared outcomes for adults with a parent who had had a same-sex relationship, with outcomes for adults raised by still-married, heterosexual couples who were biologically related to their children. It showed the adults with a gay or lesbian parent or parents fared worse on a range of social, educational and health outcomes. But this study has been very widely criticised.

In a brief filed in the US Supreme Court in 2015, the American Sociological Association said:

The Regnerus study … did not specifically examine children raised by same-sex parents, and provides no support for the conclusions that same-sex parents are inferior parents or that the children of same-sex parents experience worse outcomes.

As outlined by the American Sociological Association, the study removed all divorced, single, and step-parent families from the heterosexual group, leaving only stable, married, heterosexual families as the comparison. In addition, Regnerus categorised children as having been raised by a parent in a same-sex relationship

regardless of whether they were in fact raised by the parent … and regardless of the amount of time that they spent under the parent’s care.

A subsequent reanalysis of the data, using different criteria for categorising respondents, found the results inconclusive, or suggestive that “adult children raised by same-sex two-parent families show a comparable adult profile to their peers raised by two-biological-parent families”.

https://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-children-better-off-with-a-mother-and-father-than-with-same-sex-parents-82313

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:12 pm

Eilzel wrote:Eddie: "Have I done anything wrong as a parent?"

Didge: "Should children with single parents be put in care?"

Eilzel: "Do children only ask about things that are wrong?"

Gelico: "Wouldn't it be confusing to only be taught that a mother and father is right if that is not what they have?"

Just a small selection of the questions tommy has completely avoided answering...

He avoids them all the time

Its no longer even a debate, as he fails to weigh up the stagering evidence that kids in same sex families do as well as those in Hetrosexual marriages.

He wants to continue to place his head in the sand over all of this.

So as far as I am concerned its no longer a debate, when he fails to recognise his claims, are inherantly false

Good luck mate, not going going to bother further entertaining his stupidity here

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:14 pm

Thor wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Eddie: "Have I done anything wrong as a parent?"

Didge: "Should children with single parents be put in care?"

Eilzel: "Do children only ask about things that are wrong?"

Gelico: "Wouldn't it be confusing to only be taught that a mother and father is right if that is not what they have?"

Just a small selection of the questions tommy has completely avoided answering...

He avoids them all the time

Its no longer even a debate, as he fails to weigh up the stagering evidence that kids in same sex families do as well as those in Hetrosexual marriages.

He wants to continue to place his head in the sand over all of this.

So as far as I am concerned its no longer a debate, when he fails to recognise his claims, are inherantly false

Good luck mate, not going going to bother further entertaining his stupidity here

He just posts his own search results.

No acknowledging of contrary links posted by others.

No attempt to engage in arguments using his own logic.

No answers to questions.

Just a troll, until proven otherwise. He responses to Eds and Ben ranged from arrogant to outright rude Rolling Eyes

by Syl Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:17 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Is it the normal and natural way of things that children are born of a mother and a father... or not?

Yes that's the normal and natural way children are born.

But if you have a closed mindset thinking because that's the natural way so that's the only/right way you are dismissing every child who is brought up differently.
Me for one...brought up in a one parent family, how about children who are adopted, fostered, orphaned, in care, couples who cant conceive naturally and need ivf?
Lots of different scenarios prove that children can be loved and thrive within various family environments.

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:18 pm

Eilzel wrote:Eddie: "Have I done anything wrong as a parent?"

I'm not in a position to know, and I'm certainly not a judge of that...

Didge: "Should children with single parents be put in care?"

Don't be ridiculous!

Eilzel: "Do children only ask about things that are wrong?"

No.

Gelico: "Wouldn't it be confusing to only be taught that a mother and father is right if that is not what they have?"

For the purposes of sex education, they should only be taught that the reproductive system works between a mother and a father.

Just a small selection of the questions tommy has completely avoided answering...

Happy now?

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:20 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Is it the normal and natural way of things that children are born of a mother and a father... or not?

Yes that's the normal and natural way children are born.

But if you have a closed mindset thinking because that's the natural way so that's the only/right way you are dismissing every child who is brought up differently.
Me for one...brought up in a one parent family, how about children who are adopted, fostered, orphaned, in care, couples who cant conceive naturally and need ivf?
Lots of different scenarios prove that children can be loved and thrive within various family environments.

I was brought up with a single parent... but I still knew that I had a mum and a dad...!

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:23 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Eddie: "Have I done anything wrong as a parent?"

I'm not in a position to know, and I'm certainly not a judge of that...

Didge: "Should children with single parents be put in care?"

Don't be ridiculous!

Eilzel: "Do children only ask about things that are wrong?"

No.

Gelico: "Wouldn't it be confusing to only be taught that a mother and father is right if that is not what they have?"

For the purposes of sex education, they should only be taught that the reproductive system works between a mother and a father.

Just a small selection of the questions tommy has completely avoided answering...

Happy now?

1. So Eddie telling her children that being gay is OK, acceptable, and just one of many perfectly normal expressions of love is not wrong then. Good to hear that from you tommy Smile

2. So you don't think having a mother and father is the only acceptable family unit. Great, we're getting somewhere!

3. So children asking about something they don't know about does not mean it's wrong. So a child asking about a boy holding hands with or kissing a boy does not mean it's wrong. Wow! We've made real progress here!!

4. OK. I disagree. But good to know that you'd have no problem with children's books featuring gay couples, since they don't ever include sex education anyway.

While we could do better on 4 there tommy I feel your new found ability to answer questions has been a real eye opener cheers

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:28 pm

You can try and twist what I say as much as you like... but I've made my points clearly.

Try reading the OP... it's the children who are being confused by the books... but you obviously don't really care about the wellbeing of the children as long as the pro homo propaganda gets loudly broadcast to them...

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:28 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Is it the normal and natural way of things that children are born of a mother and a father... or not?

Yes that's the normal and natural way children are born.

But if you have a closed mindset thinking because that's the natural way so that's the only/right way you are dismissing every child who is brought up differently.
Me for one...brought up in a one parent family, how about children who are adopted, fostered, orphaned, in care, couples who cant conceive naturally and need ivf?
Lots of different scenarios prove that children can be loved and thrive within various family environments.

great post syl

i can understand the research saying that a mother and father is better for a child simply for the balance of male and female role models. but if a child has those good role models, male and female, it doesn't matter if they are called mum or dad just as long as they are there helping, guiding and loving said child

also a batch of good role models within wider family friends is great

a child brought up by two men or two women would still have a balance of people in their lives.

my dad got packed of to live with a couple of aunts when he was young. he was never confused about his sexuality nor about his upbringing.

for kids it's just a case of ''it is what it is''

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

You can try and twist what I say as much as you like... but I've made my points clearly.

Try reading the OP... it's the children who are being confused by the books... but you obviously don't really care about the wellbeing of the children as long as the pro homo propaganda gets loudly broadcast to them...

I didn't have to twist anything. You were the one complaining about contradictions earlier, if anything I said above is wrong then you are the one making contradictory statements.

As to the school: children are inquisitive. If they are really too confused (and really we have a handful of parents words to go on here, and they a Muslims, so hardly going to have ANY tolerance of LGBT topics, however subtly mentioned), then it is likely more down to the individual teachers than the books.

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:36 pm

Tommy, I understand your worries. In fact I worry too at least with regards to all the newfangled expressions of sexuality.....there was about 72 at the last count. I worry that the trans radicals and such will confuse the hell out of kids and yes, you're right, many people are selfish and think only of themselves and not the child.

but i'm not sure these little books which are merely including everyone and every situation they can think of, AND which most kids don't pay any real attention to, could be harmful.

i find it interesting now though with the situation

islam bans homosexuality or indeed anything against what it believes is correct.

so are all the Muslims at this school going to pull their kids out?

and the for the ones that have already done so,,,,is that a hate crime?

interested to see how this one pans out

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:38 pm

just out of idle curiosity, eddie

is your son gay or straight, or does he have any confusion about his sexuality?

by Syl Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:

Yes that's the normal and natural way children are born.

But if you have a closed mindset thinking because that's the natural way so that's the only/right way you are dismissing every child who is brought up differently.
Me for one...brought up in a one parent family, how about children who are adopted, fostered, orphaned, in care, couples who cant conceive naturally and need ivf?
Lots of different scenarios prove that children can be loved and thrive within various family environments.

I was brought up with a single parent... but I still knew that I had a mum and a dad...!

So what....if you have parents or parent who loves you, does it really matter?

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:40 pm

Gelico: "Wouldn't it be confusing to only be taught that a mother and father is right if that is not what they have?"

For the purposes of sex education, they should only be taught that the reproductive system works between a mother and a father.

yes, of course but that is biology lessons.

this OP is about evironment and story books

so could you answer my question in it's right context

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:45 pm

gelico wrote:
Tommy, I understand your worries. In fact I worry too at least with regards to all the newfangled expressions of sexuality.....there was about 72 at the last count. I worry that the trans radicals and such will confuse the hell out of kids and yes, you're right, many people are selfish and think only of themselves and not the child.

but i'm not sure these little books which are merely including everyone and every situation they can think of, AND which most kids don't pay any real attention to, could be harmful.

i find it interesting now though with the situation

islam bans homosexuality or indeed anything against what it believes is correct.

so are all the Muslims at this school going to pull their kids out?

and the for the ones that have already done so,,,,is that a hate crime?

interested to see how this one pans out

The books are promoting homosexual relationships to young children who are clearly being unnecessarily confused by it and that is clearly not good for the wellbeing of the children!

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
gelico wrote:
Tommy, I understand your worries. In fact I worry too at least with regards to all the newfangled expressions of sexuality.....there was about 72 at the last count. I worry that the trans radicals and such will confuse the hell out of kids and yes, you're right, many people are selfish and think only of themselves and not the child.

but i'm not sure these little books which are merely including everyone and every situation they can think of, AND which most kids don't pay any real attention to, could be harmful.

i find it interesting now though with the situation

islam bans homosexuality or indeed anything against what it believes is correct.

so are all the Muslims at this school going to pull their kids out?

and the for the ones that have already done so,,,,is that a hate crime?

interested to see how this one pans out

The books are promoting homosexual relationships to young children who are clearly being unnecessarily confused by it and that is clearly not good for the wellbeing of the children!

But how many children are REALLY actually confused by it.

The article gives ONE examples from ONE woman who is religiously biased on the subject.

This is a non-starter.

by Syl Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:49 pm

gelico wrote:
Syl wrote:

Yes that's the normal and natural way children are born.

But if you have a closed mindset thinking because that's the natural way so that's the only/right way you are dismissing every child who is brought up differently.
Me for one...brought up in a one parent family, how about children who are adopted, fostered, orphaned, in care, couples who cant conceive naturally and need ivf?
Lots of different scenarios prove that children can be loved and thrive within various family environments.

great post syl

i can understand the research saying that a mother and father is better for a child simply for the balance of male and female role models. but if a child has those good role models, male and female, it doesn't matter if they are called mum or dad just as long as they are there helping, guiding and loving said child

also a batch of good role models within wider family friends is great

a child brought up by two men or two women would still have a balance of people in their lives.

my dad got packed of to live with a couple of aunts when he was young. he was never confused about his sexuality nor about his upbringing.

for kids it's just a case of ''it is what it is''

Thanks Gels.

I agree with you too....and I do have sympathy for Tommy and others like him who do seem to have a closed mindset about some things.
50 years or so ago the majority of people shared his views...20 years ago many people still thought the ideal family was mum, dad and 2.4 children. Laughing

I was never sure how that one worked out.

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:49 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The books are promoting homosexual relationships to young children who are clearly being unnecessarily confused by it and that is clearly not good for the wellbeing of the children!

But how many children are REALLY actually confused by it.

The article gives ONE examples from ONE woman who is religiously biased on the subject.

This is a non-starter.

How many children should be getting confused and damaged by this before you think it is unacceptable...!?

And are you saying the Muslims don't matter...?

Or are you saying that they are lying...?

lol!

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:50 pm

Syl wrote:
gelico wrote:
Syl wrote:

Yes that's the normal and natural way children are born.

But if you have a closed mindset thinking because that's the natural way so that's the only/right way you are dismissing every child who is brought up differently.
Me for one...brought up in a one parent family, how about children who are adopted, fostered, orphaned, in care, couples who cant conceive naturally and need ivf?
Lots of different scenarios prove that children can be loved and thrive within various family environments.

great post syl

i can understand the research saying that a mother and father is better for a child simply for the balance of male and female role models. but if a child has those good role models, male and female, it doesn't matter if they are called mum or dad just as long as they are there helping, guiding and loving said child

also a batch of good role models within wider family friends is great

a child brought up by two men or two women would still have a balance of people in their lives.

my dad got packed of to live with a couple of aunts when he was young. he was never confused about his sexuality nor about his upbringing.

for kids it's just a case of ''it is what it is''

Thanks Gels.

I agree with you too....and I do have sympathy for Tommy and others like him who do seem to have a closed mindset about some things.
50 years or so ago the majority of people shared his views...20 years ago many people still thought the ideal family was mum, dad and 2.4 children. I was never sure how that one worked out.

It was messy. Very. People prefer not to talk about the .4 Syl. Sheesh, show a little sensitivity Rolling Eyes

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:52 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:How many children should be getting confused and damaged by this before you think it is unacceptable...!?

1. I don't believe anyone was really that confused.

2. The child asked a question, to which the parent can give an answer. Children get confused about a lot of things (you'd know this if you had any experience with children), they ask a lot of questions.

by Syl Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:58 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:

Thanks Gels.

I agree with you too....and I do have sympathy for Tommy and others like him who do seem to have a closed mindset about some things.
50 years or so ago the majority of people shared his views...20 years ago many people still thought the ideal family was mum, dad and 2.4 children. I was never sure how that one worked out.

It was messy. Very. People prefer not to talk about the .4 Syl. Sheesh, show a little sensitivity

Sorry....

To answer Tommys last point, Kids accept what they see, why should they be confused or damaged?
IF a school was promoting homosexuality or any other sexuality I agree that would be wrong, but if they are simply promoting acceptance, be it for tall, short, black, white, gay, straight etc, etc, etc,....all that will do is stop bullying and isolating kids who dont fit in with the majority.

I would still like to see the books that have caused all the fuss though.

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:59 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:

Thanks Gels.

I agree with you too....and I do have sympathy for Tommy and others like him who do seem to have a closed mindset about some things.
50 years or so ago the majority of people shared his views...20 years ago many people still thought the ideal family was mum, dad and 2.4 children. I was never sure how that one worked out.

It was messy. Very. People prefer not to talk about the .4 Syl. Sheesh, show a little sensitivity

hahahahaha

lol!

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Syl wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:

Thanks Gels.

I agree with you too....and I do have sympathy for Tommy and others like him who do seem to have a closed mindset about some things.
50 years or so ago the majority of people shared his views...20 years ago many people still thought the ideal family was mum, dad and 2.4 children. I was never sure how that one worked out.

It was messy. Very. People prefer not to talk about the .4 Syl. Sheesh, show a little sensitivity

Sorry....

To answer Tommys last point, Kids accept what they see, why should they be confused or damaged?
IF a school was promoting homosexuality or any other sexuality I agree that would be wrong, but if they are simply promoting acceptance, be it for tall, short, black, white, gay, straight etc, etc, etc,....all that will do is stop bullying and isolating kids who dont fit in with the majority.

I would still like to see the books that have caused all the fuss though.

One of them, King and King, you can preview here:

https://www.amazon.com/King-Linda-Haan/dp/1582460612/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548770489&sr=8-1&keywords=king+and+king

I hate the art style myself, but you can easily see what type of story it's going to be, and doesn't look to be going anywhere 'sinister' Laughing

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:09 pm

The books include...

King and king
And tango makes 3
Heather has 2 mommies
Mommy, mama and me
Daddy, papa and me
My princess boy

Look them up and see...

And you can also see how children will be affected if they are force fed loads of these types of books...!

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:15 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:

Sorry....

To answer Tommys last point, Kids accept what they see, why should they be confused or damaged?
IF a school was promoting homosexuality or any other sexuality I agree that would be wrong, but if they are simply promoting acceptance, be it for tall, short, black, white, gay, straight etc, etc, etc,....all that will do is stop bullying and isolating kids who dont fit in with the majority.

I would still like to see the books that have caused all the fuss though.

One of them, King and King, you can preview here:

https://www.amazon.com/King-Linda-Haan/dp/1582460612/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548770489&sr=8-1&keywords=king+and+king

I hate the art style myself, but you can easily see what type of story it's going to be, and doesn't look to be going anywhere 'sinister'

haven't read the book my kids are grown up now, but the school they used to go to probably has it

most comments on the review board are talking about whether they like the art work or not, lolol

most are saying it's a sweet simple story (I can understand why kids are like meh cos they like something exciting)

probably the adults that purchased it are all marxist radicals though eh? Cool

by Ben Reilly Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
gelico wrote:
Tommy, I understand your worries. In fact I worry too at least with regards to all the newfangled expressions of sexuality.....there was about 72 at the last count. I worry that the trans radicals and such will confuse the hell out of kids and yes, you're right, many people are selfish and think only of themselves and not the child.

but i'm not sure these little books which are merely including everyone and every situation they can think of, AND which most kids don't pay any real attention to, could be harmful.

i find it interesting now though with the situation

islam bans homosexuality or indeed anything against what it believes is correct.

so are all the Muslims at this school going to pull their kids out?

and the for the ones that have already done so,,,,is that a hate crime?

interested to see how this one pans out

The books are promoting homosexual relationships to young children who are clearly being unnecessarily confused by it and that is clearly not good for the wellbeing of the children!

Do you think portraying and promoting are the same thing?

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:19 pm

But Shad said Moffat’s programme is against her Islamic beliefs. “My daughter came home and told me am I OK to be a boy? It’s confusing children about sexuality.”

Taken on a surface level, I am a bit concerned about that. I am very interested to know how this message of inclusion and tolerance is actually being delivered in schools

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:22 pm

>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The books are promoting homosexual relationships to young children who are clearly being unnecessarily confused by it and that is clearly not good for the wellbeing of the children!

Do you think portraying and promoting are the same thing?

Depends how the portraying is done... and in this case it is definitely promoting...

And unnecessarily confusing and disturbing for children which is bad for their wellbeing...

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:31 pm

gelico wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:

Sorry....

To answer Tommys last point, Kids accept what they see, why should they be confused or damaged?
IF a school was promoting homosexuality or any other sexuality I agree that would be wrong, but if they are simply promoting acceptance, be it for tall, short, black, white, gay, straight etc, etc, etc,....all that will do is stop bullying and isolating kids who dont fit in with the majority.

I would still like to see the books that have caused all the fuss though.

One of them, King and King, you can preview here:

https://www.amazon.com/King-Linda-Haan/dp/1582460612/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548770489&sr=8-1&keywords=king+and+king

I hate the art style myself, but you can easily see what type of story it's going to be, and doesn't look to be going anywhere 'sinister'

haven't read the book my kids are grown up now, but the school they used to go to probably has it

most comments on the review board are talking about whether they like the art work or not, lolol

most are saying it's a sweet simple story (I can understand why kids are like meh cos they like something exciting)

probably the adults that purchased it are all marxist radicals though eh?

If for themselves? Probably not normal people Laughing

For schools? Sometimes.

I think if these were the only books used it would be a problem. But as a small portion of the overall selection of books used it is a healthy way to present diversity.

One (Muslim) woman 'claiming' her child was confused does not prove anything.

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
>THE Ben Reilly< wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

The books are promoting homosexual relationships to young children who are clearly being unnecessarily confused by it and that is clearly not good for the wellbeing of the children!

Do you think portraying and promoting are the same thing?

Depends how the portraying is done... and in this case it is definitely promoting...

And unnecessarily confusing and disturbing for children which is bad for their wellbeing...

How are these books 'promoting'?

And how would it differ from 'portraying'?

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:39 pm

I know this article is about the pro homo propaganda program in America... but still relevant...

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15118/

by Guest Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:53 pm

there is a ctually a separate thread about this but

will they include books such as ''mummy and duvet''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXjHBox4hf8&feature=youtu.be

lol!

by Eilzel Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I know this article is about the pro homo propaganda program in America... but still relevant...

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15118/

But how are the books promoting anything?

And how would portrayal be different from promotion?

by Tommy Monk Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:11 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I know this article is about the pro homo propaganda program in America... but still relevant...

https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15118/

But how are the books promoting anything?

And how would portrayal be different from promotion?

Don't play dumb... you know very well...

by Syl Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:35 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Syl wrote:

Sorry....

To answer Tommys last point, Kids accept what they see, why should they be confused or damaged?
IF a school was promoting homosexuality or any other sexuality I agree that would be wrong, but if they are simply promoting acceptance, be it for tall, short, black, white, gay, straight etc, etc, etc,....all that will do is stop bullying and isolating kids who dont fit in with the majority.

I would still like to see the books that have caused all the fuss though.

One of them, King and King, you can preview here:

https://www.amazon.com/King-Linda-Haan/dp/1582460612/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548770489&sr=8-1&keywords=king+and+king

I hate the art style myself, but you can easily see what type of story it's going to be, and doesn't look to be going anywhere 'sinister'

Ta, I wonder if it's based on our own royal family, with a bit of artistic licence thrown in. Razz