How the old are discriminated against in the UK like no other group.

The ridiculous pop star Jamelia gives an interview saying all older people should not be allowed to vote, but her views just emphasise the way the elderly are treated with such disdain and contempt in this country.

This article in todays Mirror highlights the discrimination older people face, when it simply would not be tolerated against any other group in our society.


"Imagine if a public figure said that gays should be banned from voting.
Or the disabled should be disenfranchised. Or Jews or Muslims.
There would be outrage.
Yet singer Jamelia happily says that old people should be denied the vote, as if it's the most reasonable thing in the world to suggest.
“I just don't think it's fair that you have a vote when you're not going to experience the consequences of that vote,” she told the Jeremy Vine show.
Why is it that, for some people, racism is abhorrent but age discrimination like this is fine?

You can see this attitude all the time in courts where crooks are on trial for preying on the elderly, as if somehow they don't count.

Take so-called carer Carly Douglas, who stole £18,000 from a 94-year-old resident in the Sunderland care home where she worked.
Last week she was jailed for 30 months.
At least they were locked up. Such is society's distain for the elderly that crooks like them all too often escape with a slap on the wrist.
Nurse Jane Palmer walked free from court despite befriending the elderly parents of her boyfriend, helping them set up an online bank account, and then siphoning £47,000 from it.
The “angel” from Seaton in Devon spent much of the money on cars and holidays, Exeter crown court was told.
Palmer, 51, admitted fraud charges but got off with 20 months suspended.
I'm not saying that Jamelia is on a par with these fraudsters, but she is part of the same culture of treating our elderly with contempt.
So are the idiots who have been vandalising World War Two memorials - after all, the few remaining veterans are now in the late evening of their lives.
And so is a jaw-dropping website called Deatherendum, which celebrated the deaths of old people on the supposed grounds they were likely to have voted Leave in the EU referendum.

One Remain journalist on the Guardian, Polly Toynbee, delighting in the passing of all these old folk, tweeted that the vote to leave was now “the will of dead people”.
When did it become acceptable to be this sick and this stupid?2



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thieving-carers-idiots-like-jamelia-13896587

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Thanks Nicko, the article is worth reading...it's so true.

Just to put another side to this though, we buried my mum in law yesterday. She was 104. The church was full (she did have a huge family) but neighbours from long ago, the care home workers who looked after her in her final years, and just about everybody, showed such warmth and genuine love for her....even though she could be an absolute nightmare at times it was a joy to be part of it.

Sadly for every old person who was/is loved and respected it seems plenty others are not so lucky.

us old 'uns could easily say the same about these ridiculous youngsters....THEY should not be allowed to vote because they lack life experience and knowledge. AND they should not be allowed to drive either, lacking maturity, stability and good common sense...there is a REASON insurance companies load their premiums,

Youngsters should always be encouraged to vote, they are the future of this country after all.
Unfortunately, many kids get bought a car nowadays as soon as they pass their test, they have no experience and it's obvious some of them think they are indistructable, which makes them a danger to everyone else on the road.
There are so many cars operated by bad drivers (young, old and in between) on the road....I swear half the people driving haven't even passed their test.

Jamelia? Didn't she do Eurovision once?

She sounds like an idiot.

Raggamuffin wrote:Jamelia? Didn't she do Eurovision once?

She sounds like an idiot.

I'm not sure, she used to be a panelist on Loose women but was let go, and she also appeared on Strictly come dancing a few years ago, the public constantly tried to vote her off, she doesn't seem very popular.
I think she is the woman who announced a while ago that fat people should have to shop in separate shops to normal sized people....she seems to have switched her distaste from the obese to the old it seems.

Her attitude just encourages others to disrespect people..... people are influenced by idiots like her, God knows how they have a following but they do.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Jamelia? Didn't she do Eurovision once?

She sounds like an idiot.

I'm not sure, she used to be a panelist on Loose women but was let go, and she also appeared on Strictly come dancing a few years ago, the public constantly tried to vote her off, she doesn't seem very popular.
I think she is the woman who announced a while ago that fat people should have to shop in separate shops to normal sized people....she seems to have switched her distaste from the obese to the old it seems.

Her attitude just encourages others to disrespect people..... people are influenced by idiots like her, God knows how they have a following but they do.

Ooh, I'm thinking of Javine.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:



I'm not sure, she used to be a panelist on Loose women but was let go, and she also appeared on Strictly come dancing a few years ago, the public constantly tried to vote her off, she doesn't seem very popular.
I think she is the woman who announced a while ago that fat people should have to shop in separate shops to normal sized people....she seems to have switched her distaste from the obese to the old it seems.

Her attitude just encourages others to disrespect people..... people are influenced by idiots like her, God knows how they have a following but they do.

Ooh, I'm thinking of Javine.

Is she the one who ran off with Alesha Dixons husband?
I could be getting mixed up myself.

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ooh, I'm thinking of Javine.

Is she the one who ran off with Alesha Dixons husband?
I could be getting mixed up myself.

It might have been, not that I know anything about Alesha Dixon or her husband.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Syl wrote:



Is she the one who ran off with Alesha Dixons husband?
I could be getting mixed up myself.

It might have been, not that I know anything about Alesha Dixon or her husband.

Well it's her ex husband now...so serves him right.

Jamelia who...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Jamelia who...!?

Unfortunately these D listers get publicity when they talk tripe.

That should be the thing that is banned...

Tommy Monk wrote:


That should be the thing that is banned...

Well as we live in an age where so called celebrities are put on pedestals, these idiots can spout whatever they like and it will always influence some.
But as the article in the OP points out, no other group are treated with such contempt by society as old people are.
They are thrown on the scrap heap, beaten up, robbed, treated like dirt by so called carers, and even when the perpetrators are caught they get ridiculously light sentences.

They are put on pedestals by the establishment when they are promoting the bullshit that the establishment want to promote... in this case it is just more pro brexit propaganda...

Tommy Monk wrote:They are put on pedestals by the establishment when they are promoting the bullshit that the establishment want to promote... in this case it is just more pro brexit propaganda...

Well yeah, Brexit did get a mention...
"The Birmingham singer suggested the elderly should not have been able to take part in the Brexit vote - as well as a potential second referendum - as they will not be around long enough to live with the consequences.

Her comments, made on the Jeremy Vine show, sparked a backlash from some who accused her of being 'ageist'.

The Superstar singer said she believed it was 'unfair' for older people to have a say when they will soon be dead."

Another indication, and even more proof of how badly the old and vulnerable are treated in society.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/care-homes-spending-just-244-13903615

"Elderly care homes are spending just £2.44 feeding each resident per day and serving up “slop”, a shock study has found.
It means some families are spending their life savings to send frail relatives to old folk’s homes where they are served a diet of cheap convenience food.
Research by Sheffield Hallam University reveals homes with mainly council-funded residents spend on average only £2.44 on food and drink for a whole day.
The “disgraceful” neglect of nutrition for those most in need of it is revealed in a snapshot of catering at the nation’s care homes.

The care home with the lowest food and drink funding was just £2.15 per resident each day - a similar amount to that spent feeding prison inmates."

Apparently if you are past retirement age everything is your fault for the decisions you made through your life, the things you bought etc, if you still work you are taking a young person's job, even if they don't want it, if you are retired you must be very rich but taking money that could be used for young people, you are also breathing too much air, young people could do with that, you are bed blocking and living in houses a young family could have, so for heaven's sake hurry up and die and get out of the way.

Vintage wrote:Apparently  if you are past retirement age everything is your fault for the decisions you made through your life, the things you bought etc, if you still work you are taking a young person's job, even if they don't want it, if you are retired you must be very rich but taking money that could be used for young people, you are also breathing too much air, young people could do with that, you are bed blocking and living in houses a young family could have, so for heaven's sake hurry up and die and get out of the way.

This type of nasty attitude only seems to be coming from some of the so called "lovely caring socialist leftys" who would be the first to be crying out about any perceived discriminatory/hostile/unfair treatment/language by anyone else towards any other group of people...


But they seem to think it is ok for THEM to behave in such a nasty way towards others who THEY think they have a reason to dislike...



The double standards and nastiness of the leftys know no bounds...!!!

When I was young I was quiet leftish, I thought everything was so easy to change and didn't really think of the consequences to others' I thought where there's a will there's a way, I still think that but understand its not so easy. I protested against the bomb and war but now I understand it takes at least two factions to have a war and it takes at least two factions to keep peace between them, its no good unilaterally declaring you'll never fight if the other is intent on doing so, you end up just as dead, so its true unless you are totally indoctrinated you will become more conservative as you experience life and should I think, be listened to, as elders have from time immemorial.

The lefty youth have been indoctrinated... and in a way that makes them extremely arrogant and disrespectful towards anyone who dares to hold a differing view to them...


All other nations and cultures respect their elders and their opinions/guidance...


These lot of self righteous arrogant numpties think they know best... although vast majority of them would struggle to even boil a fukking egg without having to look up several youtube videos telling them how to do it!!!

I dont think this social contempt for the older generation can be blamed on the left...or the right, there are selfish arrogant tossers everywhere.
And wasn't it Thatcher that encouraged people to put themselves first? Greed is good, I'm all right Jack so let the weak fight for themselves.
Well that has now filtered down to family, and sadly, many of the older generation are treated badly by their own families, as well as complete strangers.

What I find difficult to understand is why these 'celebrities' feel they have a right to vent their particular views publicly in the media, we are all entitled to our views and can freely express them in normal circumstances and of course in the political sphere. Celebrities though need to be careful what they come out with, privately support who and what you want but be careful expressing their opinion in the media and how they may influence young minds. There is certain privilege being in the public eye, they should express their opinions wisely or not all.

Vintage wrote:What I find difficult to understand is why these 'celebrities' feel they have a right to vent their particular views publicly in the media, we are all entitled to our views and can freely express them in normal circumstances and of course in the political sphere. Celebrities though need to be careful what they come out with, privately support who and what you want but be careful expressing their opinion in the media and how they may influence young minds. There is certain privilege being in the public eye, they should express their opinions wisely or not all.

And if only they had the wisdom of those thoughts they would keep their traps shut and stick to what they do best.

This Jamelia woman, obviously past her peak and out of the public eye, has to get her face in the papers somehow, no one is interested in her singing anymore so she will spout some toxic rubbish to get a few headlines and a spot on 'This Morning'.
Unfortunately the words of fools will always be listened to by other fools, and her talking like this simply encourages the appaling treatment of the older vulnerable ones in our society.
If we dont respect people how can we care for them when they need it most?

Syl wrote:I dont think this social contempt for the older generation can be blamed on the left...or the right, there are selfish arrogant tossers everywhere.
And wasn't it Thatcher that encouraged people to put themselves first? Greed is good, I'm all right Jack so let the weak fight for themselves.
Well that has now filtered down to family, and sadly, many of the older generation are treated badly by their own families, as well as complete strangers.

The ones I'm talking about are definitely of the left... they hate old people because they think it was oldies who voted for brexit...

Syl wrote:Thanks Nicko, the article is worth reading...it's so true.

Just to put another side to this though, we buried my mum in law yesterday. She was 104. The church was full (she did have a huge family) but neighbours from long ago, the care home workers who looked after her in her final years, and just about everybody, showed such warmth and genuine love for her....even though she could be an absolute nightmare at times it was a joy to be part of it.

Sadly for every old person who was/is loved and respected it seems plenty others are not so lucky.

Two things:
Jamelia is an idiot
And
I’m sorry to hear about your mother in law x

Sorry to hear that Syl.

Thank you both x

Everyone lives and everyone dies, and like we said at her funeral, to live till one reaches 104, still has spirit and is in relatively good heath till the end, then dies peacefully in a warm and cozy bed surrounded by family.....
Who could really ask for a better end?

Syl wrote:Thank you both x

Everyone lives and everyone dies, and like we said at her funeral, to live till one reaches 104, still has spirit and is in relatively good heath till the end, then dies peacefully in a warm and cozy bed surrounded by family.....
Who could really ask for a better end?

Absolutely correct and absolutely perfect.

Bit late but condolences on the passing of your mother in law, I must have missed your post.  A good age and a good passing bless her.
Just think about what she experienced in 104 years from horse drawn vehicles to space travel. From all those social deprivations to the NHS. Living through WW2 possibly as a wife and mother, living through such changes over the years the speed of which no other generation has really experienced and took it in their stride, a magnificent generation in my opinion.

Vintage wrote:Bit late but condolences on the passing of your mother in law, I must have missed your post.  A good age and a good passing bless her.
Just think about what she experienced in 104 years from horse drawn vehicles to space travel. From all those social deprivations to the NHS. Living through WW2 possibly as a wife and mother, living through such changes over the years the speed of which no other generation has really experienced and took it in their stride, a magnificent generation in my opinion.

Thank you.
She could remember way back to when she was a child, she would amaze everyone with her stories, mostly true, but she did like to embroider them a bit.

She had 6 children of which she outlived two, 15 grandchildren, 24 great grandchildren and 6 great, great grandchildren (just checked with OH) so she always had an audience, which she loved.

I'm just listening to a track called Superstar, and I realised it was by Jamelia.

If the view is driving and accidents on age. When the vast majority of accidents and fatalities are caused by an age group far younger than those older. Which is 16 to 19 year olds

Why are people not applying the same arguments to this one age group?

No one's trust should be betrayed like this, whatever their age, full stop.

There are already strict laws against this particular category of dishonesty so no need to make special laws for the aged.

If you make a new law saying it's worse to rob elderly people, surely that discriminates against younger disabled people who need high maintenance care too?  Everyone is supposed to be 'equal' now, remember?.

Statistically the majority of people who are robbed or mugged are young males and they suffer a great injustice because they don't usually get their stolen money or goods back.

And young people who need personal carers due to them suffering from disabilities (tetraplegia, cerebral palsy, motor neurone disease, muscular dystrophy etc etc.)..… are just as vulnerable as old people. 

Jules wrote:No one's trust should be betrayed like this, whatever their age, full stop.

There are already strict laws against this particular category of dishonesty so no need to make special laws for the aged.

If you make a new law saying it's worse to rob elderly people, surely that discriminates against younger disabled people who need high maintenance care too?  Everyone is supposed to be 'equal' now, remember?.

I dont understand what you are saying Jules.
Nobody is saying any law should be changed to favour the elderly, the whole point of the thread is highlighting just how badly the aged are treated in our society.
And when idiot faded pop stars make ridiculous statements that old people should be denied the vote, that just feeds the disrespect that many already suffer.

Yes her comments were disrespectful (and attention seeking too, if you ask me.).


But I am not focusing on one woman's silly opinions here, I am focusing on the law itself. The law is adequate as it is. It does not need to be changed for anyone because apparently everyone is equal now, there are no disadvantaged groups any more.


Some groups which historically suffered chronic socio-economic disadvantages are now told they will no longer get any special consideration any more. So this should apply to age groups too.

Let's have some consistency.

Jules wrote:Yes her comments were disrespectful (and attention seeking too, if you ask me.).


But I am not focusing on one woman's silly opinions here, I am focusing on the law itself. The law is adequate as it is. It does not need to be changed for anyone because apparently everyone is equal now, there are no disadvantaged groups any more.


Some groups which historically suffered chronic socio-economic disadvantages are now told they will no longer get any special consideration any more. So this should apply to age groups too.

Let's have some consistency.

No one is asking for the law to be changed.
I think the old are a disadvantaged group. That's not to say they should have special treatment, just equal consideration.
For eg, when the food they are served in care homes is compared to slop, and costs not much more per day than the average prisoners meals cost....thats hardly equality is it?

Syl wrote:

Jules wrote:Yes her comments were disrespectful (and attention seeking too, if you ask me.).


But I am not focusing on one woman's silly opinions here, I am focusing on the law itself. The law is adequate as it is. It does not need to be changed for anyone because apparently everyone is equal now, there are no disadvantaged groups any more.


Some groups which historically suffered chronic socio-economic disadvantages are now told they will no longer get any special consideration any more. So this should apply to age groups too.

Let's have some consistency.

No one is asking for the law to be changed.
I think the old are a disadvantaged group. That's not to say they should have special treatment, just equal consideration.
For eg, when the food they are served in care homes is compared to slop, and costs not much more per day than the average prisoners meals cost....thats hardly equality is it?

I think the problem here is that several different themes are being discussed together. Really they are all separate issues.

Regarding the food, yes everyone should be served decent hot meals. No excuse for cheap slop. Maybe some of these residents cannot chew their food properly and are therefore supplied with a so called ''soft diet''? I know that in NHS wards, there are different types of diets for different patients and a soft mushy one is one of the categories.

Jules wrote:

Syl wrote:

No one is asking for the law to be changed.
I think the old are a disadvantaged group. That's not to say they should have special treatment, just equal consideration.
For eg, when the food they are served in care homes is compared to slop, and costs not much more per day than the average prisoners meals cost....thats hardly equality is it?

I think the problem here is that several different themes are being discussed together. Really they are all separate issues.

Regarding the food, yes everyone should be served decent hot meals. No excuse for cheap slop.  Maybe some of these residents cannot chew their food properly and are therefore supplied with a so called ''soft diet''?  I know that in NHS wards, there are different types of diets for different patients and a soft mushy one is one of the categories.

Yes I know the NHS cater a diet for people who have trouble swallowing, I know some who have had that. The meals are nutritious and apparently taste OK, though they do look sloppy.

This report centred on residential care homes not hospitals.

."Elderly care homes are spending just £2.44 feeding each resident per day and serving up “slop”, a shock study has found.
It means some families are spending their life savings to send frail relatives to old folk’s homes where they are served a diet of cheap convenience food.
Research by Sheffield Hallam University reveals homes with mainly council-funded residents spend on average only £2.44 on food and drink for a whole day.
The “disgraceful” neglect of nutrition for those most in need of it is revealed in a snapshot of catering at the nation’s care homes.

The care home with the lowest food and drink funding was just £2.15 per resident each day - a similar amount to that spent feeding prison inmates."  

I really don't know if anyone has the power to ENFORCE decent food standards on these private care homes tbh. One of my grannies lived to a ripe old age and if you'd given her a decent looking chunk of roast beef to eat she would have choked at the first bite.
The only food she could eat safely was mushy looking stuff.

Anyway to get back to the subject of how the elderly are treated. Theresa May says  everyone is equal now, so no respect or special consideration is given to old people. There have been times when we have been socialising in large city centres and we have seen grannies with their little granny trolly bags  queuing up alongside unemployed teenagers at the dole office!!!!   Looks so undignified.  In years past these grannies would have reached state pension age but now Theresa  says no special consideration will be made for them till they reach 68yo or whatever. The govt's disrespectful attitude to old people these days, makes other people disrespectful to the elderly too....like this musician for example. It's a ripple effect.

£2+ a day, how the fuck can they justify charging people £600 + a week for "care" ?

I don't think serving people slop is discriminating against them. Care homes make money, like other businesses, so they cut costs where they can. It's an issue for the people paying the fees to deal with - ie, complain about the value for money.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think serving people slop is discriminating against them. Care homes make money, like other businesses, so they cut costs where they can. It's an issue for the people paying the fees to deal with - ie, complain about the value for money.

Care homes are a business, but they dont have to treat their customers badly in order to make money.
I have seen enough of them to know some are brilliant and care for their residents, some simply put a roof over their heads and give them minimalist care....and that includes the standard and amount of food they are given.

People can complain, but if someone has waited months even years to find a nursing or residential care home suitable, often they have little choice.
Many old people who are in hospital needing 24/7 care are almost bullied out of their hospital bed if and when a place in a care home becomes available.
Three years ago my MIL was in hospital for months (some would call it bed blocking) because we were waiting for a place in this area to become vacant.

Syl, like some others I did not see the bit where you mentioned your MIL's passing.

So very sorry for your loss, S. - I know you were very fond of her from the way you frequently spoke about her. Treasure the fond memories. x

Syl wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't think serving people slop is discriminating against them. Care homes make money, like other businesses, so they cut costs where they can. It's an issue for the people paying the fees to deal with - ie, complain about the value for money.

Care homes are a business, but they dont have to treat their customers badly in order to make money.
I have seen enough of them to know some are brilliant and care for their residents, some simply put a roof over their heads and give them minimalist care....and that includes the standard and amount of food they are given.

People can complain, but if someone has waited months even years to find a nursing or residential care home suitable, often they have little choice.
Many old people who are in hospital needing 24/7 care are almost bullied out of their hospital bed if and when a place in a care home becomes available.
Three years ago my MIL was in hospital for months (some would call it bed blocking) because we were waiting for a place in this area to become vacant.

Yes, but it's still not discrimination against old people. Of course hospitals will need someone to vacate a bed if they don't actually need it - that's not discrimination against old people in particular.

Jules wrote:Syl, like some others I did not see the bit where you mentioned your MIL's passing.  

So very sorry for your loss, S. - I know you were very fond of her  from the way you frequently spoke about her. Treasure the fond memories. x

Nice post Jules.

Syl wrote:I dont think this social contempt for the older generation can be blamed on the left...or the right, there are selfish arrogant tossers everywhere.

And wasn't it Thatcher that encouraged people to put themselves first? Greed is good, I'm all right Jack so let the weak fight for themselves.

Well that has now filtered down to family, and sadly, many of the older generation are treated badly by their own families, as well as complete strangers.

If I could  award you several greenies for this one post, /\ /\ I would, Syl.
It's the govt of the day - be it tory or labour - which makes the law, not gobby opinionated citizens.
The buck stops with the govt, it's that simple!

And yes, this greed-is-good thing started with the thatcher cabinet,  I remember it well. You're spot on.
Michael Douglas brought out his iconic  film with that meme  at around that time too. Reinforcing the evil message.

Sow / Reap!  

Nightnight luv, see you tomorrow. x