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http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/native-american-claims-racial-harassment-by-emu-students-dressed-as-indians
An Ypsilanti man says he was trying to teach a few students dressed in American Indian theme party about respecting Native Americans.
Not long afterward, Nathan Phillips said that an interaction with party-goers and students turned ugly.
Nathan Phillips says he was out for a noon walk on a Saturday in mid-April.
He walked by a home where he saw Eastern Michigan University students dressed as Native Americans.
"They had little feathers on, I was just going to walk by," Phillips said. "A group of them said 'Come on over, come here.'"
He says he walked over to the fence and saw roughly 30 to 40 students involved in a theme party.
"They had their face painted," Phillips said. "I said what the heck is going on here. 'Oh we are honoring you.' I said no you are not honoring me."
It was a statement he says they took offense to.
"Then started whooping and hollering," he said. "I said that wasn't honoring, that was racist. Then at that time, it really got ugly."
Phillips says he was bombarded with racial slurs.
"(They said) 'Go back to the reservation, you blank indian,'" he said.
One student, he says, threw a beer can at him.
"If I would have stayed where I was at, it would have hit me in the head," he said. "I backed up and it hit me in the chest."
He had seen enough at that point and says he called the police.
"By the time police got there, it was like there was no party
there at all," he said.
An Ypsilanti man says he was trying to teach a few students dressed in American Indian theme party about respecting Native Americans.
Not long afterward, Nathan Phillips said that an interaction with party-goers and students turned ugly.
Nathan Phillips says he was out for a noon walk on a Saturday in mid-April.
He walked by a home where he saw Eastern Michigan University students dressed as Native Americans.
"They had little feathers on, I was just going to walk by," Phillips said. "A group of them said 'Come on over, come here.'"
He says he walked over to the fence and saw roughly 30 to 40 students involved in a theme party.
"They had their face painted," Phillips said. "I said what the heck is going on here. 'Oh we are honoring you.' I said no you are not honoring me."
It was a statement he says they took offense to.
"Then started whooping and hollering," he said. "I said that wasn't honoring, that was racist. Then at that time, it really got ugly."
Phillips says he was bombarded with racial slurs.
"(They said) 'Go back to the reservation, you blank indian,'" he said.
One student, he says, threw a beer can at him.
"If I would have stayed where I was at, it would have hit me in the head," he said. "I backed up and it hit me in the chest."
He had seen enough at that point and says he called the police.
"By the time police got there, it was like there was no party
there at all," he said.
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It does sound familiar this subconscious racial bias against Native Ameican Indians. Where this discrimination/prejudice and hate against native Indians is generally ignored or not believed.
https://www.npr.org/documents/2017/nov/NPR-discrimination-native-americans-final.pdf?t=1548237605327
Poll finds more than one-third of Native Americans report slurs, violence, harassment, and being discriminated against in the workplace
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/poll-native-americans-discrimination/
Racism against Native Americans persists
https://www.hcn.org/issues/49.17/opinion-racism-against-native-americans-persists
https://www.npr.org/documents/2017/nov/NPR-discrimination-native-americans-final.pdf?t=1548237605327
Poll finds more than one-third of Native Americans report slurs, violence, harassment, and being discriminated against in the workplace
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/poll-native-americans-discrimination/
Racism against Native Americans persists
https://www.hcn.org/issues/49.17/opinion-racism-against-native-americans-persists
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It sounds like someone is a race baiter in the form of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
In both cases Phillip's sought out students to harass for feigned racism. He's a shyster.
In both cases Phillip's sought out students to harass for feigned racism. He's a shyster.
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Maddog wrote:It sounds like someone is a race baiter in the form of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
In both cases Phillip's sought out students to harass for feigned racism. He's a shyster.
So again you have immediately assumed he is lying
You then fasley claimed he set out to harras, students mocking native indians
It seems your moral compass has become completely broken
Not based off anything other than again a subconscious racial bias
As seen native indians suffer discrimination and hate all the time
Like I say, people of your ignorance is what is spiralling the US into a future civil war
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Yes he's lying. The police got there and nothing happened. I mean I believe he may have saw a few students and took it upon himself to be obnoxious to them while they were minding their own business, but nothing if consequence happened.Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:It sounds like someone is a race baiter in the form of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
In both cases Phillip's sought out students to harass for feigned racism. He's a shyster.
So again you have immediately assumed he is lying
You then fasley claimed he set out to harras, students mocking native indians
It seems your moral compass has become completely broken
Not based off anything other than again a subconscious racial bias
As seen native indians suffer discrimination and hate all the time
Like I say, people of your ignorance is what is spiralling the US into a future civil way
I also know that terrible injustices have happened to black people in out country and Al Sharpton is also a liar at the same time.
There is an industry of minorities here that will use their ethnicity to capitalize on guilt. Happens all the time. It's why Sharpton and Jackson are very wealthy "reverends".
I know the history of the Native American here and the injustices they suffered and in some part still do suffer. I also know a bullshitter when I see one.
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Maddog wrote:Yes he's lying. The police got there and nothing happened. I mean I believe he may have saw a few students and took it upon himself to be obnoxious to them while they were minding their own business, but nothing if consequence happened.Thor wrote:
So again you have immediately assumed he is lying
You then fasley claimed he set out to harras, students mocking native indians
It seems your moral compass has become completely broken
Not based off anything other than again a subconscious racial bias
As seen native indians suffer discrimination and hate all the time
Like I say, people of your ignorance is what is spiralling the US into a future civil way
I also know that terrible injustices have happened to black people in out country and Al Sharpton is also a liar at the same time.
There is an industry of minorities here that will use their ethnicity to capitalize on guilt. Happens all the time. It's why Sharpton and Jackson are very wealthy "reverends".
I know the history of the Native American here and the injustices they suffered and in some part still do suffer. I also know a bullshitter when I see one.
So because when the Police got there, they had gone. That to you means the person is lying
That you can tell a bullshitter
wow
Even though you have zero ability of reading body language of psychology
I wonder how many Native Indian victims of abuse have found also such claims made against them, by people like yourself
So you have no evidence for your claim and again a clear subconscious racial bias
You know fuck all about the history and that is evident in your distain for this American Indian
Your true colous are really shinning through
This is what sickins me about how American is slipping back into the past of hate. Its the far right that has driven people further left, with them pushing people to the right and its spiralling out of control. All because some goons in the south have never gotten over the fact they lost the civil war.
Its time you realise that constantly native Americans suffer prejudice, hate and discrimination, but your immediate asumption is clear
They are lying to you
I think this sums it up well
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Let me summerize this for you. I have no issues or bias against Native Americans. I do against liars. Nathan Phillips is liar in my opinion. He's not helping anyone. He's looking for attention.
I'm assuming you're a white Brit. I think you're acting like a damn fool over this incident. However, your actions do not lead me to think all white Brits are damn fools. See how I can separate the actions of an individual from his ethnicity.
I'm assuming you're a white Brit. I think you're acting like a damn fool over this incident. However, your actions do not lead me to think all white Brits are damn fools. See how I can separate the actions of an individual from his ethnicity.
Remember the thread about Shaun King? Go review it. Nathan is another Shaun King, but because you have a romantic notion about Anerican Indians you can't see it?
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Maddog wrote:Let me summerize this for you. I have no issues or bias against Native Americans. I do against liars. Nathan Phillips is liar in my opinion. He's not helping anyone. He's looking for attention.
I'm assuming you're a white Brit. I think you're acting like a damn fool over this incident. However, your actions do not lead me to think all white Brits are damn fools. See how I can separate the actions of an individual from his ethnicity.Remember the thread about Shaun King? Go review it. Nathan is another Shaun King, but because you have a romantic notion about Anerican Indians you can't see it?
1) You just proved throughout the last couple of days that you do. Claiming that banging a drum, is some how antagonistic, failing to understand its simple a traditional song of peace. You ignore the fact that countless people mocked him and your only defense was the smirking boy. You failed to understand the plight of the indigeneous and went from being rational to a conspiracy easily conservative media led sheep
2) Iam white British, ethnically Maltese/Sicillian/Irish. Of course you think me a fool, as that is far easier to do, that actually take on my reasoned points. But you never seperated out the actions on the day of the incident. All you did was ignore the mockery and laughter at Phillips. Proving that you are incapable of doing that. Instead you sought to demonize nathan, for simple trying to defuse what was a tense situation to him
3) Well there is clear evidence of his race baiting. You though here you have invented on Phillips, simple because the conservative media has been so easily able to manipulate your mind. It shows that I easily do recognize race baiting and also speak out on this. Hence it shows I can eaily tell when someone does or does not. You sadly have a tunnel vision minset. Like i said, only a subconscious racial bias, fueled by Far right wing media outlets have helped turned your orginal rational views, to one of sheer ranking distain
On the contrary, wrote Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo, watching every available video “doesn’t greatly change the substance of what you see on the video, which is a middle aged Native American activist/elder beating a ceremonial drum in the face of what appears to be a bemused and cocky teenager while his classmates surrounding them, mostly wearing Maga caps, jeer and taunt the man with chopping motions.”
Maga: Make America Great Again. The northern Kentucky county where Covington Catholic is located voted for Trump by a 26-point margin. It is also in the heart of a region on the radar of the Southern Poverty Law Center for its proliferation of hate groups, including white supremacist and radical Christian identity groups.
After originally censuring the students and vowing consequences, Covington has in recent days deployed media surrogates to defend itself, to argue that the students were not at fault, and their actions on video had been misunderstood.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/23/controversy-students-mock-native-american-strikes-national-chord
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Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:Let me summerize this for you. I have no issues or bias against Native Americans. I do against liars. Nathan Phillips is liar in my opinion. He's not helping anyone. He's looking for attention.
I'm assuming you're a white Brit. I think you're acting like a damn fool over this incident. However, your actions do not lead me to think all white Brits are damn fools. See how I can separate the actions of an individual from his ethnicity.Remember the thread about Shaun King? Go review it. Nathan is another Shaun King, but because you have a romantic notion about Anerican Indians you can't see it?
1) You just proved throughout the last couple of days that you do. Claiming that banging a drum, is some how antagonistic, failing to understand its simple a traditional song of peace. You ignore the fact that countless people mocked him and your only defense was the smirking boy. You failed to understand the plight of the indigeneous and went from being rational to a conspiracy easily conservative media led sheep
2) Iam white British, ethnically Maltese/Sicillian/Irish. Of course you think me a fool, as that is far easier to do, that actually take on my reasoned points. But you never seperated out the actions on the day of the incident. All you did was ignore the mockery and laughter at Phillips. Proving that you are incapable of doing that. Instead you sought to demonize nathan, for simple trying to defuse what was a tense situation to him
3) Well there is clear evidence of his race baiting. You though here you have invented on Phillips, simple because the conservative media has been so easily able to manipulate your mind. It shows that I easily do recognize race baiting and also speak out on this. Hence it shows I can eaily tell when someone does or does not. You sadly have a tunnel vision minset. Like i said, only a subconscious racial bias, fueled by Far right wing media outlets have helped turned your orginal rational views, to one of sheer ranking distainOn the contrary, wrote Josh Marshall of Talking Points Memo, watching every available video “doesn’t greatly change the substance of what you see on the video, which is a middle aged Native American activist/elder beating a ceremonial drum in the face of what appears to be a bemused and cocky teenager while his classmates surrounding them, mostly wearing Maga caps, jeer and taunt the man with chopping motions.”
Maga: Make America Great Again. The northern Kentucky county where Covington Catholic is located voted for Trump by a 26-point margin. It is also in the heart of a region on the radar of the Southern Poverty Law Center for its proliferation of hate groups, including white supremacist and radical Christian identity groups.
After originally censuring the students and vowing consequences, Covington has in recent days deployed media surrogates to defend itself, to argue that the students were not at fault, and their actions on video had been misunderstood.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/23/controversy-students-mock-native-american-strikes-national-chord
Oh and i will add, when I showed video evidence of these boys being hateful
You made excuses with their age to this
So you will excuse me if I rightly point out your irrationality here
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How long have you been racist towards black people?
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Maddog wrote:How long have you been racist towards black people?
I never have, maybe you can show where I have?
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It based on your feelings towards Shaun King.Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:How long have you been racist towards black people?
I never have, maybe you can show where I have?
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Maddog wrote:It based on your feelings towards Shaun King.Thor wrote:
I never have, maybe you can show where I have?
Who is mixed ethnically?
Meaning both white and black
So unsure how you unpack that to claim I am racist against blacks?
Maybe you can explain the following thread where i defend against such racist concepts around intelligence?
That is me defending against racism against blacks
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25998-dna-pioneer-stripped-of-honors-over-reprehensible-race-comments
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Shaun King is black. Discounting his blackness because he mixed is racist, but I'll let that slide.Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:
It based on your feelings towards Shaun King.
Who is mixed ethnically?
Meaning both white and black
So unsure how you unpack that to claim I am racist against blacks?
Maybe you can explain the following thread where i defend against such racist concepts around intelligence?
That is me defending against racism against blacks
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25998-dna-pioneer-stripped-of-honors-over-reprehensible-race-comments
The more important fact is you called me racist for basically holding Phillip's in the same light that the both of us hold King.
Our positions on King dont make us racist (in our opinions, Kings followers wouldn't agree) any more than my opinion about Phillips makes me racist.
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Maddog wrote:Shaun King is black. Discounting his blackness because he mixed is racist, but I'll let that slide.Thor wrote:
Who is mixed ethnically?
Meaning both white and black
So unsure how you unpack that to claim I am racist against blacks?
Maybe you can explain the following thread where i defend against such racist concepts around intelligence?
That is me defending against racism against blacks
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25998-dna-pioneer-stripped-of-honors-over-reprehensible-race-comments
The more important fact is you called me racist for basically holding Phillip's in the same light that the both of us hold King.
Our positions on King dont make us racist (in our opinions, Kings followers wouldn't agree) any more than my opinion about Phillips makes me racist.
He is mixed race, more white than black. His mother is white and his biological father is mixed race
He calls himself black, which is up to him, he is still mixed ethnically
So you would have to unpack how that is being racist towards blacks based off someone mixed ethnically
You have not, and are simple pissed at me, easily showing up flaws in your views
Again I never called you racist, only that you had a subconscious racial/racist bias against native Indians
So even the premise of your hurt feelings here, is based on your own misunderstanding or failure to understand the English language
There is countless evidence against Shaun, your views, on Phillips are based on feelings not evidence
See the difference?
Now, if you dont like the psychological understanding I am giving to you, based on things you said, demeaning for example the traditional song and culture of native Indians. Showing up this subconscious racial/racist bias that you have. Then go and have a good sulk and whilst there think long about this, to understand why.
If I thought you were racist, I would say so. I dont think you are and never have
So stop having the hump and grow up
Laters
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Maddog wrote:Shaun King is black. Discounting his blackness because he mixed is racist, but I'll let that slide.Thor wrote:
Who is mixed ethnically?
Meaning both white and black
So unsure how you unpack that to claim I am racist against blacks?
Maybe you can explain the following thread where i defend against such racist concepts around intelligence?
That is me defending against racism against blacks
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t25998-dna-pioneer-stripped-of-honors-over-reprehensible-race-comments
The more important fact is you called me racist for basically holding Phillip's in the same light that the both of us hold King.
Our positions on King dont make us racist (in our opinions, Kings followers wouldn't agree) any more than my opinion about Phillips makes me racist.
Yo, Maddog...
You do realise that your wide-ranging and yet still-restricted use of the the term "black" is a uniquely North_American-centric problem, amd doesn't resonate well with many outside of the USA -- a lot of Europeans and Aussies simply wouldn't recognise the Shaun Kings of this world as "blacks"...
Ben covered the issue with a Wiki' link in that Shaun King thread that Thor mentions..
By your standards, I would be referred to as "black" in your part of the world -- despite my being mainly Caucasian, and over 90% of people on here would agree that I'm not "black" (one of my great-granddaddies was, though..) if they saw me in real life.
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That's why I said I would let it slide. Black here basically is down to the individual. Same as Native American. Everyone is mixed a little with someone. By out standards, you would be whatever race you claimed to be.WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Maddog wrote:
Shaun King is black. Discounting his blackness because he mixed is racist, but I'll let that slide.
The more important fact is you called me racist for basically holding Phillip's in the same light that the both of us hold King.
Our positions on King dont make us racist (in our opinions, Kings followers wouldn't agree) any more than my opinion about Phillips makes me racist.
Yo, Maddog...
You do realise that your wide-ranging and yet still-restricted use of the the term "black" is a uniquely North_American-centric problem, amd doesn't resonate well with many outside of the USA -- a lot of Europeans and Aussies simply wouldn't recognise the Shaun Kings of this world as "blacks"...
Ben covered the issue with a Wiki' link in that Shaun King thread that Thor mentions..
By your standards, I would be referred to as "black" in your part of the world -- despite my being mainly Caucasian, and over 90% of people on here would agree that I'm not "black" (one of my great-granddaddies was, though..) if they saw me in real life.
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And now this. Who were they rescuing in this drum beating event?
Washington D.C., Jan 22, 2019 / 03:58 pm (CNA).- While demonstrators chanted and played ceremonial drums, protesters at a rally led by Nathan Phillips attempted Jan. 19 to enter Washington, DC’s Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception during a Saturday evening Mass.
The group of demonstrators was stopped by shrine security as it tried to enter the church during a Saturday evening Vigil Mass, according to a shrine security guard on duty during the Mass.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/nathan-phillips-rally-attempted-to-disrupt-mass-at-dcs-national-shrine-91038
Washington D.C., Jan 22, 2019 / 03:58 pm (CNA).- While demonstrators chanted and played ceremonial drums, protesters at a rally led by Nathan Phillips attempted Jan. 19 to enter Washington, DC’s Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception during a Saturday evening Mass.
The group of demonstrators was stopped by shrine security as it tried to enter the church during a Saturday evening Vigil Mass, according to a shrine security guard on duty during the Mass.
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/nathan-phillips-rally-attempted-to-disrupt-mass-at-dcs-national-shrine-91038
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Who do you mean by they?
This was clearly a demostration against the Catholic Church
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6623369/Native-American-man-led-60-protesters-steps-National-Shrine-day-viral-clash.html
This was clearly a demostration against the Catholic Church
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6623369/Native-American-man-led-60-protesters-steps-National-Shrine-day-viral-clash.html
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Maddog wrote:That's why I said I would let it slide. Black here basically is down to the individual. Same as Native American. Everyone is mixed a little with someone. By out standards, you would be whatever race you claimed to be.WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Yo, Maddog...
You do realise that your wide-ranging and yet still-restricted use of the the term "black" is a uniquely North_American-centric problem, amd doesn't resonate well with many outside of the USA -- a lot of Europeans and Aussies simply wouldn't recognise the Shaun Kings of this world as "blacks"...
Ben covered the issue with a Wiki' link in that Shaun King thread that Thor mentions..
By your standards, I would be referred to as "black" in your part of the world -- despite my being mainly Caucasian, and over 90% of people on here would agree that I'm not "black" (one of my great-granddaddies was, though..) if they saw me in real life.
You let it slide?
lol
How nice of you, when nobody is really black or white. People are simple taught to call themselves this
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Thor wrote:Who do you mean by they?
This was clearly a demostration against the Catholic Church
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6623369/Native-American-man-led-60-protesters-steps-National-Shrine-day-viral-clash.html
They would be the protesters.
What did that Catholic Church do to them?
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Maddog wrote:Thor wrote:Who do you mean by they?
This was clearly a demostration against the Catholic Church
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6623369/Native-American-man-led-60-protesters-steps-National-Shrine-day-viral-clash.html
They would be the protesters.
What did that Catholic Church do to them?
They, as in specifically what group?
I dont know personally why they did, but can think of countless reasons for myself as to why I could protest the Catholic Chruch itself as an institution. Based on the many wrongs they have done and still continue to do today
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Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:
They would be the protesters.
What did that Catholic Church do to them?
They, as in specifically what group?
I dont know personally why, but can think of countless reasons for myself as to why I would protest the Catholic Chruch itself as an institution. Based on the many wrongs they have done and still continue to do today
The group of native Americans that had been protesting at the Lincoln memorial.
I support their right to protest. I don't support them entering personal space or buildings. Their problem is, they don't get enough attention and act like asses to get it.
Same as Phillips did at Eastern Michigan, at the Lincoln Memorial to a bunch of kids and later the next day at a Catholic Church.
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But to give credit where credit is due, Phillips is at least now picking on adults.
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Maddog wrote:Thor wrote:
They, as in specifically what group?
I dont know personally why, but can think of countless reasons for myself as to why I would protest the Catholic Chruch itself as an institution. Based on the many wrongs they have done and still continue to do today
The group of native Americans that had been protesting at the Lincoln memorial.
I support their right to protest. I don't support them entering personal space or buildings. Their problem is, they don't get enough attention and act like asses to get it.
Same as Phillips did at Eastern Michigan, at the Lincoln Memorial to a bunch of kids and later that day at a Catholic Church.
So Native Indians then
Glad you clarified that for me
As far as I am aware they did not enter or had any intention to do so and I thought they were open to all the public being accessable to all, when open?
So what you are saying is the Catholic Church excluded them from entering.
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Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:
The group of native Americans that had been protesting at the Lincoln memorial.
I support their right to protest. I don't support them entering personal space or buildings. Their problem is, they don't get enough attention and act like asses to get it.
Same as Phillips did at Eastern Michigan, at the Lincoln Memorial to a bunch of kids and later that day at a Catholic Church.
So Native Indians then
Glad you clarified that for me
As far as I am aware they did not enter or had any intention to do so and I thought they were open to all the public being accessable to all, when open?
So what you are saying is the Catholic Church excluded them from entering.
Oh and the Lincoln Memorial is also open to everyone, its not a personal space.
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Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:
The group of native Americans that had been protesting at the Lincoln memorial.
I support their right to protest. I don't support them entering personal space or buildings. Their problem is, they don't get enough attention and act like asses to get it.
Same as Phillips did at Eastern Michigan, at the Lincoln Memorial to a bunch of kids and later that day at a Catholic Church.
So Native Indians then
Glad you clarified that for me
As far as I am aware they did not enter or had any intention to do so and I thought they were open to all the public being accessable to all, when open?
So what you are saying is the Catholic Church excluded them from entering.
They were trying to enter during a service and disrupt it. They were stopped by security.
And people still have personal space in a public setting.
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https://www.thespruce.com/etiquette-rules-of-defining-personal-space-1216625
For anyone too socially awkward to know what personal space is.
For anyone too socially awkward to know what personal space is.
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Maddog wrote:Thor wrote:
So Native Indians then
Glad you clarified that for me
As far as I am aware they did not enter or had any intention to do so and I thought they were open to all the public being accessable to all, when open?
So what you are saying is the Catholic Church excluded them from entering.
They were trying to enter during a service and disrupt it. They were stopped by security.
And people still have personal space in a public setting.
You are guilt of doing what you claimed of me
Read the daily Mail article. They never tried to enter the church and no video shows them attemtping to do so
No such law on personal space.
They sang outside and protested, which they have every right to do, whether you disagree or afree with their reasons
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Maddog wrote:https://www.thespruce.com/etiquette-rules-of-defining-personal-space-1216625
For anyone too socially awkward to know what personal space is.
Well why are you not applying the same moral etiqutte to the kids that surrounded him and the few other native Indians with him?
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Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:
They were trying to enter during a service and disrupt it. They were stopped by security.
And people still have personal space in a public setting.
You are guilt of doing what you claimed of me
Read the daily Mail article. They never tried to enter the church and no video shows them attemtping to do so
No such law on personal space.
They sang outside and protested, which they have every right to do, whether you disagree or afree with their reasons
Which i will add yet again, this is you not believing 60 Native Indians now, not just one. In regards to your claim they were trying to enter.
You are instead believing an institution, that has constantly covered up thousands upon thousands of peadophile priests and is still doing so today.
Very odd that indeed
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I would also add, i am sure the security Guard may have wrongly construed and believed they would enter the church.
That does not mean they tried to or even intended to do so.
That does not mean they tried to or even intended to do so.
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Thor wrote:Your true colous are really shinning through
This is what sickins me about how American is slipping back into the past of hate. Its the far right that has driven people further left, with them pushing people to the right and its spiralling out of control. All because some goons in the south have never gotten over the fact they lost the civil war.
Its time you realise that constantly native Americans suffer prejudice, hate and discrimination, but your immediate asumption is clear
They are lying to you
I think this sums it up well
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I thought Phillips didn't like being called a protester. If so, he should probably stop protesting.
So Phillips doesn't like the Catholic Church. Could that have influenced him during the encounter with the boys, and caused him to come out with so much bullshit?
So Phillips doesn't like the Catholic Church. Could that have influenced him during the encounter with the boys, and caused him to come out with so much bullshit?
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Raggamuffin wrote:I thought Phillips didn't like being called a protester. If so, he should probably stop protesting.
I think his point was well taken. He wasn't protesting, but demonstrating his reverence for lost soldiers.
We—the ordinary people—do that in our every-day Independence Day parades . Should we stop saluting? (And what am I asking a damn Brit for...you were the enemy!!)
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Original Quill wrote:Raggamuffin wrote:I thought Phillips didn't like being called a protester. If so, he should probably stop protesting.
I think his point was well taken. He wasn't protesting, but demonstrating his reverence for lost soldiers.
We—the ordinary people—do that in our every-day Independence Day parades . Should we stop saluting? (And what am I asking a damn Brit for...you were the enemy!!)
I thought he was protesting outside a Catholic church. Do keep up.
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Raggamuffin wrote:Original Quill wrote:
I think his point was well taken. He wasn't protesting, but demonstrating his reverence for lost soldiers.
We—the ordinary people—do that in our every-day Independence Day parades . Should we stop saluting? (And what am I asking a damn Brit for...you were the enemy!!)
I thought he was protesting outside a Catholic church. Do keep up.
No, he was demonstrating outside the Lincoln Memorial.
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I thought he was protesting outside a Catholic church. Do keep up.
No, he was demonstrating outside the Lincoln Memorial.
You really haven't read this thread have you? The latest is that he and his mates protested outside a Catholic church the next day.
The man keeps bleating on about how people should respect him, and be "sensitive" to the culture of indigenous people, and there he is rabble rousing outside a church. He has no respect for anyone, so why should anyone respect him and his mates?
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Raggamuffin wrote:Original Quill wrote:
No, he was demonstrating outside the Lincoln Memorial.
You really haven't read this thread have you? The latest is that he and his mates protested outside a Catholic church the next day.
The man keeps bleating on about how people should respect him, and be "sensitive" to the culture of indigenous people, and there he is rabble rousing outside a church. He has no respect for anyone, so why should anyone respect him and his mates?
It doesn't matter, Raggs. I was commenting specifically on a generality he made...and could have made anytime: he doesn't like the term "protester".
Phillips didn't like being called a protester
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You really haven't read this thread have you? The latest is that he and his mates protested outside a Catholic church the next day.
The man keeps bleating on about how people should respect him, and be "sensitive" to the culture of indigenous people, and there he is rabble rousing outside a church. He has no respect for anyone, so why should anyone respect him and his mates?
It doesn't matter, Raggs. I was commenting specifically on a generality he made...and could have made anytime: he doesn't like the term "protesting".
It does matter when you keep on displaying such ignorance re the subject matter.
If he doesn't like to be called a protester, he should stop protesting - as I already said.
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It doesn't matter, Raggs. I was commenting specifically on a generality he made...and could have made anytime: he doesn't like the term "protesting".
It does matter when you keep on displaying such ignorance re the subject matter.
If he doesn't like to be called a protester, he should stop protesting - as I already said.
And as I said: He is more correctly described as a 'demonstrator'.
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It does matter when you keep on displaying such ignorance re the subject matter.
If he doesn't like to be called a protester, he should stop protesting - as I already said.
And as I said: He is more correctly described as a 'demonstrator'.
I would call him a rabble rouser, and an ignorant bigot.
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Phillips also described coming back to the U.S. as a veteran of the Vietnam era. “People called me a baby killer and a hippie girl spit on me.”
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/american-indian-veterans-honored-annually-at-arlington-national-cemetery-tMOxOLqrJU6Ux9hZvXAzYQ/
Problem with this is he never left the US. He spent 4 years in the reserve, never left the US, spent a great deal of time AWOL and was discharged as a private, the same rank as he entered. He wasn't even honorably discharged.
He's a liar, a fraud and shit stirrer looking for attention.
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/american-indian-veterans-honored-annually-at-arlington-national-cemetery-tMOxOLqrJU6Ux9hZvXAzYQ/
Problem with this is he never left the US. He spent 4 years in the reserve, never left the US, spent a great deal of time AWOL and was discharged as a private, the same rank as he entered. He wasn't even honorably discharged.
He's a liar, a fraud and shit stirrer looking for attention.
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Thor wrote:Maddog wrote:https://www.thespruce.com/etiquette-rules-of-defining-personal-space-1216625
For anyone too socially awkward to know what personal space is.
Well why are you not applying the same moral etiqutte to the kids that surrounded him and the few other native Indians with him?
Because they never moved into anyone else personal space. They stood in place while others came to them.
Capice?
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And as I said: He is more correctly described as a 'demonstrator'.
I would call him a rabble rouser, and an ignorant bigot.
You say po-tae-to...I say po-tah-to. In any case, we both agree that he is not really protesting anything...he is demonstrating a point.
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Thor wrote:I would also add, i am sure the security Guard may have wrongly construed and believed they would enter the church.
That does not mean they tried to or even intended to do so.
Sure............................................
You will defend this clown regardless of what he does.
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Maddog wrote:Phillips also described coming back to the U.S. as a veteran of the Vietnam era. “People called me a baby killer and a hippie girl spit on me.”
https://newsmaven.io/indiancountrytoday/archive/american-indian-veterans-honored-annually-at-arlington-national-cemetery-tMOxOLqrJU6Ux9hZvXAzYQ/
Problem with this is he never left the US. He spent 4 years in the reserve, never left the US, spent a great deal of time AWOL and was discharged as a private, the same rank as he entered. He wasn't even honorably discharged.
He's a liar, a fraud and shit stirrer looking for attention.
I'll be fair to him and say that I'd like someone to ask him about his military career in an interview so that he can put the record straight. I don't know he mentioned Vietnam at all. Is it usual for people do so when they weren't there, even if they were in the armed forces at the time?
Whatever the truth about that, he has certainly not presented himself as a man of peace or an honerable man. He's virtually hounded that boy, and he took part in a very disrespectful scene outside a place of worship.
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Maddog wrote:Phillips also described coming back to the U.S.
I don't think you can substantiate that. You are confusing his championing the cause of Vietnam vets, with a claim he was a Vietnam vet. Two different matters.
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I would call him a rabble rouser, and an ignorant bigot.
You say po-tae-to...I say po-tah-to. In any case, we both agree that he is not really protesting anything...he is demonstrating a point.
No, he was protesting against the Catholic Church, as well as protesting about the Catholic school. By the way, he doesn't mind calling other people protesters.
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I don't think you can substantiate that. You are confusing his championing the cause of Vietnam vets, with a claim he was a Vietnam vet. Two different matters.
He said he's a "Vietnam-times Veteran". It's a very strange expression. Why mention Vietnam at all?
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