Dog fighting, cock fighting, now child fighting..... organised by teachers.

Syl wrote:Why did the authorities not press charges...

CNN wrote:2 women charged after St. Louis day care ‘fight club’ video surfaces

4:31 PM, NOVEMBER 5, 2018, BY CNN WIRE

ST. LOUIS, Mo. -- Two day care workers have been charged after video of a 'fight club' featuring toddlers surfaced.

Tena Dailey, 22, and Mickala Guliford, 28, have both been charged with endangering the welfare of a child, KTVI reports.

Court documents say that Dailey and Guliford were supervising a class children ranging from 3 to 4 years old at Adventure Learning Center on Gravois in December 2016. They directed and encouraged the children to engage in fights over a 35-minute period.

Surveillance video shows at least six of the children fighting with each other. They often wore a padded glove on one hand when punching each other. One of the children participating in the fight is crying during the video.

The crying child is acknowledged by Dailey and Guliford. The court documents say that she continued to encourage the fights. Guliford is seen jumping up and down in excitement during the video while watching the fights between the children.

A 10-year-old captured video of the fighting with his iPad. He was with older kids in the next room. He was worried about his little brother who was crying after three fights. The child seen crying after a fight suffered red marks, swelling to his face, and a black eye.

The iPad video shows a fight in which the kids fall to the ground while a teacher kicks into the air in excitement. The only person who tries breaking it up is another preschooler, but he cannot stop one child from pounding the other`s head into the floor.

The child texted his mother the video. Nicole Merseal called the director to stop it. She said her older son texted the video saying, "The daycare was making them fight, not helping them."

Though it happened nearly two years ago, Merseal doesn`t think enough was done. She said, "I want them to be held accountable and I don`t want this to happen to any other child."

The police report says the director immediately fired both teachers and called the child abuse hotline. Charges were just filed Monday.
https://fox4kc.com/2018/11/05/2-women-charged-after-st-louis-day-care-fight-club-video-surfaces/

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:Why did the authorities not press charges...

I think they did.  The two teachers were fired immediately, but it took 2-years to bring charges.

CNN wrote:2 women charged after St. Louis day care ‘fight club’ video surfaces

4:31 PM, NOVEMBER 5, 2018, BY CNN WIRE

ST. LOUIS, Mo. -- Two day care workers have been charged after video of a 'fight club' featuring toddlers surfaced.

Tena Dailey, 22, and Mickala Guliford, 28, have both been charged with endangering the welfare of a child, KTVI reports.

Court documents say that Dailey and Guliford were supervising a class children ranging from 3 to 4 years old at Adventure Learning Center on Gravois in December 2016. They directed and encouraged the children to engage in fights over a 35-minute period.

Surveillance video shows at least six of the children fighting with each other. They often wore a padded glove on one hand when punching each other. One of the children participating in the fight is crying during the video.

The crying child is acknowledged by Dailey and Guliford. The court documents say that she continued to encourage the fights. Guliford is seen jumping up and down in excitement during the video while watching the fights between the children.

A 10-year-old captured video of the fighting with his iPad. He was with older kids in the next room. He was worried about his little brother who was crying after three fights. The child seen crying after a fight suffered red marks, swelling to his face, and a black eye.

The iPad video shows a fight in which the kids fall to the ground while a teacher kicks into the air in excitement. The only person who tries breaking it up is another preschooler, but he cannot stop one child from pounding the other`s head into the floor.

The child texted his mother the video. Nicole Merseal called the director to stop it. She said her older son texted the video saying, "The daycare was making them fight, not helping them."

Though it happened nearly two years ago, Merseal doesn`t think enough was done. She said, "I want them to be held accountable and I don`t want this to happen to any other child."

The police report says the director immediately fired both teachers and called the child abuse hotline. Charges were just filed Monday.
https://fox4kc.com/2018/11/05/2-women-charged-after-st-louis-day-care-fight-club-video-surfaces/

One child tried to break it up.  Perhaps the little kid's brother?

Vintage wrote:People constantly amaze, how could anyone think this kind of thing is remotely acceptable.

Original Quill wrote:It's Missouri.  Not exactly the south, but solid Republican.  No wonder they don't press charges til now.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:It's Missouri.  Not exactly the south, but solid Republican.  No wonder they don't press charges til now.

No, I dont believe that a persons political preference has anything to do with cases like this.
The people who treat little children in this way, and the people who look the other way, are just evil imo, and which party they support has nothing to do with it.

I do wonder why the mum, who had the video, has waited so long before she has acted.
And no doubt charges have only now been brought against the two teachers is because the mother is suing the school.

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:It's Missouri.  Not exactly the south, but solid Republican.  No wonder they don't press charges til now.

No, I dont believe that a persons political preference has anything to do with cases like this.
The people who treat little children in this way, and the people who look the other way, are just evil imo, and which party they support has nothing to do with it.

I do wonder why the mum, who had the video, has waited so long before she has acted.
And no doubt charges have only now been brought against the two teachers is because the mother is suing the school.

Syl wrote:No, I dont believe that a persons political preference has anything to do with cases like this.
The people who treat little children in this way, and the people who look the other way, are just evil imo, and which party they support has nothing to do with it.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

No, I dont believe that a persons political preference has anything to do with cases like this.
The people who treat little children in this way, and the people who look the other way, are just evil imo, and which party they support has nothing to do with it.

I do wonder why the mum, who had the video, has waited so long before she has acted.
And no doubt charges have only now been brought against the two teachers is because the mother is suing the school.

People in America are characterized by their politics.  Haven't you been following Trump?  What do you think motivated Charlottesville?  What about nine parishioners gunned down in an African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina?  Didn't you follow the happenings in the Pittsburgh synagogue?  Who sends bombs through the mail?  It's all income, neighborhood and socio-economic class...and Missouri is right in the mix.

Where have you been, girl??  

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Syl wrote:

No, I dont believe that a persons political preference has anything to do with cases like this.
The people who treat little children in this way, and the people who look the other way, are just evil imo, and which party they support has nothing to do with it.

I do wonder why the mum, who had the video, has waited so long before she has acted.
And no doubt charges have only now been brought against the two teachers is because the mother is suing the school.

Maybe the mother had to find a lawyer who was willing to take the case on, without up-front payment..

Or maybe she had to find the money, to pay for legal action ?

Syl wrote:You are talking of extremists, we have them too, on both sides....but extremists dont decide the law of the land.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:You are talking of extremists, we have them too, on both sides....but extremists dont decide the law of the land.

No, unfortunately, I am not talking about extremists.  For the people in the southern states, the principles you and I call extreme are everyday standards.  Haven't you noticed the difference?  Charlottesville, for them, is a way of life.

But, I repeat, I'm not talking about the activities of these two teachers (after all, criminals are everywhere), but the response of southern police and officials.  Those people in the south are more likely to ignore a crime if the victim is black.  Once again, the credo of the south is 'black lives don't matter'.  At least they don't count such that the white privileged class need to get up from the dinner table and bother themselves right away.

Understand now, we're not talking about judging the criminals, as much as the institutional response one finds in the south.

Syl wrote:But surely the law is the law, how can it change from state to state depending on whether it's a southern state or a northern one?

Syl wrote:We have areas that are mainly conservative and well to do, we also have poverty stricken areas where a conservative voter would be as rare as hens teeth, we have areas where blacks and Asians live but a white face would be a rarity....but the law of the land is identical in all.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:But surely the law is the law, how can it change from state to state depending on whether it's a southern state or a northern one?

You forget that when the Constitution was written, it was 13 independent entities.  It still is, only now it's 50 different entities.  State legislators determine state law.  While there is a federal criminal code, most criminal codes are at the state level.  The feds defer to the states for prosecution on overlapping jurisdiction, and only pass laws that are of strong interest to the national level, like espionage or tax evasion.

Syl wrote:We have areas that are mainly conservative and well to do, we also have poverty stricken areas where a conservative voter would be as rare as hens teeth, we have areas where blacks and Asians live but a white face would be a rarity....but the law of the land is identical in all.

It's not here.  We have 50 state jurisdictions, plus territorial laws for jurisdictions like Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, etc.  Each entity writes and enforces its own laws, particularly criminal laws.

Why do you think southern states are continually in favor of 'states rights'.  Because on the state level, they get to write their own laws.  

Syl wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You forget that when the Constitution was written, it was 13 independent entities.  It still is, only now it's 50 different entities.  State legislators determine state law.  While there is a federal criminal code, most criminal codes are at the state level.  The feds defer to the states for prosecution on overlapping jurisdiction, and only pass laws that are of strong interest to the national level, like espionage or tax evasion.



It's not here.  We have 50 state jurisdictions, plus territorial laws for jurisdictions like Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, etc.  Each entity writes and enforces its own laws, particularly criminal laws.

Why do you think southern states are continually in favor of 'states rights'.  Because on the state level, they get to write their own laws.  

I bow to your superior knowledge re the different state laws in your country Quill, I still maintain however that no matter which state the 'fight club' operated in, it would have been illegal.

The mum had the event on camera, had she made it public 2 years ago I am betting appropriate action would have been taken immediately (regardless of where it had happened)  rather than being investigated in a half arsed way concluding that no laws had been violated.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:

I bow to your superior knowledge re the different state laws in your country Quill, I still maintain however that no matter which state the 'fight club' operated in, it would have been illegal.

The mum had the event on camera, had she made it public 2 years ago I am betting appropriate action would have been taken immediately (regardless of where it had happened)  rather than being investigated in a half arsed way concluding that no laws had been violated.

Of course it was illegal.  Have you forgotten, we are not criticizing the laws, but the enforcement.  Some good ol' boy sheriffs refused to be bothered as long as it was only niggah kids at risk.  

Syl wrote:Some of the kids were white, as was the mother of the two boys...one 4 year old who was hurt, one 10 year old who videoed the fights.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:Some of the kids were white, as was the mother of the two boys...one 4 year old who was hurt, one 10 year old who videoed the fights.

Good, but the principal kid in the video was black, and the school was predominately black.  We know how the good ol' boy Sheriffs would take that...and indeed, it took them two years and a lot of publicity to get them off their lazy asses.

Wolf wrote:It also happens to be a this intermediate level that we see many "separatist" movements cropping up -- e.g. Catalonians in Spain, Chechen rebels in Russia, the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, and the push for independence for East Timor (successful) and now West Papua ("Irian Jaya") in Indonesia.

Syl wrote:Dont you think the only reason the authorities are now  acting is because the mother is suing the school? I doubt they would have bothered if she had let it drop.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:Dont you think the only reason the authorities are now  acting is because the mother is suing the school? I doubt they would have bothered if she had let it drop.

Haha...tell that to nicko.  He thinks lawyers are worthless.

More to the point, I think the publicity that this incident has brought up is motivating the authorities to act.  The lawsuit has probably heightened awareness of the incident, so that would be a contributing factor.  The police are not defendants in legal action, at least that I can see.  It's just the publicity.

But, how sad that only when the bosses (ie, the public) are watching over their shoulder, do the authorities do their job.

Syl wrote:Sometimes recording whats happening around us on mobile phones has a huge advantage. I doubt very much whether this event would have been taken seriously had the 10 year old not caught it all on camera.

Syl wrote:If the cop said he was walking towards him, and the video proved he was walking away, there can be no doubt that the cop was lying.
Some things are just black and white....no pun.

Syl wrote:Well thankfully the jury saw through his lies.
It could have been very different if no video had been available though.

Original Quill wrote:

Syl wrote:Sometimes recording whats happening around us on mobile phones has a huge advantage. I doubt very much whether this event would have been taken seriously had the 10 year old not caught it all on camera.

Absolutely!  Imagine what a boon these cell phone cameras have been to my profession.  No more shaky witnesses.  No more inferential arguments.  No need for presumptions.  Just show the video.

Much of law enforcement has been cleaned up too.  Used to be, law enforcement would get the benefit of the doubt, deserved or not.  Now, when the cops says do you believe me or your lyin' eyes, the jury can judge for themselves how much their eyes are 'lying'.

Take a look at the Illinois conviction of Jason van Dyke...

White Chicago cop convicted of murder in shooting of black teen

Jason Van Dyke found guilty of second-degree murder in the 2014 shooting of Laquan McDonald.

5 Oct 2018

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/white-chicago-cop-convicted-murder-shooting-black-teen-181005180016197.html

Raggamuffin wrote:I watched the footage and it does seem pretty clear. It's a pity the boy didn't stop walking in the middle of the road with a knife.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I watched the footage and it does seem pretty clear. It's a pity the boy didn't stop walking in the middle of the road with a knife.

He was probably high on PCP or sumpin'.  He most certainly had to be subdued, but that didn't give the cop a license to kill him.

Anyway, it's a classic case where, heretofore, the cop would have told his lies on the stand, and walked away to kill again.  Thank god for videos.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

He was probably high on PCP or sumpin'.  He most certainly had to be subdued, but that didn't give the cop a license to kill him.

Anyway, it's a classic case where, heretofore, the cop would have told his lies on the stand, and walked away to kill again.  Thank god for videos.

This is why it's so unwise to take that kind of drug. If a cop in the US tells you to stand still and drop the knife, you do it! I certainly would, not that I'd be walking around with a knife anyway.