London knife crime hits highest level ever recorded

by eddie Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:36 pm

An average of 40 knife crimes a day are now being carried out in the capital, with the 91 knife killings representing an 11 per cent increase over 12 months.

Knife crime in London has risen to its highest ever level with nearly 15,000 offences committed during the past year, according to figures out today.

The Office for National Statistics said the total of 14,987 knife crimes in the year to the end of June was a 15 per cent rise on the comparable figure 12 months earlier.

It includes 91 knife killings, 170 rapes or sexual assaults carried out with a blade, and 8,363 knife-point robberies.

There were also 5,570 knife crimes which either resulted in injury or involved an attempt to inflict serious harm on the victim.

The statisticians added that the increase in offending had taken London’s knife crime total to the highest ever recorded.

The disclosure of the bleak statistics will heap pressure on both the Metropolitan police and London Mayor Sadiq Khan.

Both have insisted that they are doing everything possible to tackle knife crime, with police ramping up the use of stop and search and carrying out a succession of anti-knife crime operations.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-knife-crime-hits-highest-level-ever-recorded-a3965111.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1539855623

by Ben Reilly Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:17 am

I thought 500 times that the 6,520,562.1 reasons that most of the 41 users who were online at 15:36 didn't say even 1 thing about this, your 3,849th post, is that it has 8 numbers in the 1st 4 sentences.

Dude, you taught me that numbers bore people. For shame!

by eddie Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:21 am

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:I thought 500 times that the 6,520,562.1 reasons that most of the 41 users who were online at 15:36 didn't say even 1 thing about this, your 3,849th post, is that it has 8 numbers in the 1st 4 sentences.

Dude, you taught me that numbers bore people. For shame!

How dare you numberate me in this way? I feel numb and more than anything else, how many TIMES can you SUBTRACT these feelings from me? PLUS, if you want to have MULTIPLE reasons to publicly embarrass me...I have ZERO words.

by Tommy Monk Sat Oct 20, 2018 1:28 pm

eddie wrote:An average of 40 knife crimes a day are now being carried out in the capital, with the 91 knife killings representing an 11 per cent increase over 12 months.

Knife crime in London has risen to its highest ever level with nearly 15,000 offences committed during the past year, according to figures out today.

The Office for National Statistics said the total of 14,987 knife crimes in the year to the end of June was a 15 per cent rise on the comparable figure 12 months earlier.

It includes 91 knife killings, 170 rapes or sexual assaults carried out with a blade, and 8,363 knife-point robberies.

There were also 5,570 knife crimes which either resulted in injury or involved an attempt to inflict serious harm on the victim.

The statisticians added that the increase in offending had taken London’s knife crime total to the highest ever recorded.

The disclosure of the bleak statistics will heap pressure on both the Metropolitan police and London Mayor Sadiq Khan.

Both have insisted that they are doing everything possible to tackle knife crime, with police ramping up the use of stop and search and carrying out a succession of anti-knife crime operations.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-knife-crime-hits-highest-level-ever-recorded-a3965111.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1539855623

The lefty way...

Import loads of 3rd world foreign scum bags... and stop the police from dealing with them in case it is seen as being racist... the lefty way to ruin the country...!

by nicko Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:08 pm

Start giving out proper jail terms, build more prisons and run them like Military ones, and tell the do--gooders to take a jump !

by Tommy Monk Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:17 pm

The CPS don't want to prosecute the scumbags, the judges don't want to imprison them, and the politically correct numpties in charge of the police are stopping the police from arresting the scum bags...!!!

We been more prisons and they need to be tougher... and proper sentencing dished out to criminals every time... not keep letting them walk free from court umpteen times before getting prison...

by Ben Reilly Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:32 pm

As far as prisons go, the evidence shows that the ones you and I would much prefer to stay in, like the prisons in Scandinavian countries, actually produce the lowest number of recidivists.

But supporting that kind of policy would require you to take a stance based on logic rather than emotion, and everybody knows righties are ruled by their basest emotions.

by Tommy Monk Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:41 pm

Not sure about that... if you ever stayed in the Bangkok Hilton then you wouldn't risk doing anything that might get you a return visit...

by Syl Sat Oct 20, 2018 2:46 pm

Crime, especially violent crime is going up all over the UK not just London.
Is it any wonder when police figures have been cut so drastically?
Only this week the head of Manchester police force was talking on the BBC about society must take some of the responsibility in policing their area because the police are so reduced in numbers and budget.

I agree....but I bet if vigilante groups were formed to help them out they would soon clamp down on them.

by 'Wolfie Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:43 am

Tommy keeps on blaming his mythical evil "leftys" for all the woes befalling his beloved motherland...

Yet Britain has had conservative right wing guvm'nts running the show for more than three decades now..

Even Tony Blair's "third way" New Labour regime proved to be a centre-right "Thatcher-lite" party in reality; seen hitching his wagon to the conservative George W. Bush and John Howard led adventures into the Middle East.

by Tommy Monk Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:03 am

1997 to 2010... Labour govt with large majority in house of commons... all those Labour MPs were voting through the Labour govts proposals...

Are you seriously trying to claim that all those Labour MPs were actually right wing...???

And 2010 to 2015... the lefty lib dems were coalition govt with torys... both stuck with the task of sorting out the mess that Labour left behind...

by nicko Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:11 am

Wolfie, three decades of Tory Government ? What happened to Labour then ?

by Fred Moletrousers Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:46 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Tommy keeps on blaming his mythical evil "leftys" for all the woes befalling his beloved motherland...

Yet Britain has had conservative right wing guvm'nts running the show for more than three decades now..

Even Tony Blair's "third way" New Labour regime proved to be a centre-right "Thatcher-lite" party in reality; seen hitching his wagon to the conservative George W. Bush and John Howard led adventures into the Middle East.

London is under a Labour administration, as are many towns and cities in the UK.

The Crown Prosecution Service was directed by a Socialist, who is now a Labour MP, for much of the time when "liberal" attitudes to crime and criminals and a move towards a far more politically correct approach to the judicial process developed.

Many of today's top police officers delight in "celebrating" their overtly liberal approach to enforcing and maintaining law and order, and many elected Police and Crime Commissioners are Labour Party nominees.

Perhaps we should be taking a far closer look at just which sectors of society are primarily responsible for the massive increase in crime...and asking why.

But we all know that is not going to happen - and why it will not happen.

by nicko Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:08 am

by Original Quill Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:58 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Tommy keeps on blaming his mythical evil "leftys" for all the woes befalling his beloved motherland...

Yet Britain has had conservative right wing guvm'nts running the show for more than three decades now..

Even Tony Blair's "third way" New Labour regime proved to be a centre-right "Thatcher-lite" party in reality; seen hitching his wagon to the conservative George W. Bush and John Howard led adventures into the Middle East.

London is under a Labour administration, as are many towns and cities in the UK.

The Crown Prosecution Service was directed by a Socialist, who is now a Labour MP, for much of the time when "liberal" attitudes to crime and criminals and a move towards a far more politically correct approach to the judicial process developed.

Many of today's top police officers delight in "celebrating" their overtly liberal approach to enforcing and maintaining law and order, and many elected Police and Crime Commissioners are Labour Party nominees.

Perhaps we should be taking a far closer look at just which sectors of society are primarily responsible for the massive increase in crime...and asking why.

But we all know that is not going to happen - and why it will not happen.

The primary causes of a rise in crime are poverty and cultural disaffection. Political parties have nothing to do with it.

Until you give outlying cultures a stake in political decisions, you are the problem.

by Victorismyhero Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:45 pm

we do...in rotherham and countless other councils where these abuse gangs waged their race war against the vulnerable girls the defining factors are 1)Labour and 2) high level of involvement of these "other cultures" in council policy.

by Fred Moletrousers Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:07 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

London is under a Labour administration, as are many towns and cities in the UK.

The Crown Prosecution Service was directed by a Socialist, who is now a Labour MP, for much of the time when "liberal" attitudes to crime and criminals and a move towards a far more politically correct approach to the judicial process developed.

Many of today's top police officers delight in "celebrating" their overtly liberal approach to enforcing and maintaining law and order, and many elected Police and Crime Commissioners are Labour Party nominees.

Perhaps we should be taking a far closer look at just which sectors of society are primarily responsible for the massive increase in crime...and asking why.

But we all know that is not going to happen - and why it will not happen.

The primary causes of a rise in crime are poverty and cultural disaffection. Political parties have nothing to do with it.

Until you give outlying cultures a stake in political decisions, you are the problem.

Really, Quill? Organised abuse and gang rape of teenage girls and even children? Organised human trafficking of drug mules, prostitutes of both sexes (or maybe all sexes -personally I have lost track of who is supposed to be what these days)? Organised aggressive begging (and boy, if you have experienced it as I have, "aggressive" hardly begins to describe it)? Organised gang-related crime where knives and even guns are a first, and not last, resort?

A couple of decades or so ago this sort of thing was rare in this countrry; now it is commonplace.

Are you seriously suggesting that because we have not given the criminals and gang bosses behind this explosion of crime "a stake in political decisions" people like me are the problem?

For Christ's sake, man.....

by Fred Moletrousers Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:12 pm

Lord Foul wrote:we do...in rotherham and countless other councils where these abuse gangs waged their race war against the vulnerable girls the defining factors are 1)Labour and 2) high level of involvement of these "other cultures" in council policy.

And both the local authority and the police service (it used to be a police 'force' in the days when their principal job was to catch criminals) have been forced to admit that it was all known about but deliberately covered up "in the interests of social cohesion."

Years ago my uncle was Mayor of Rotherham; a steelworker, trade unionist and staunch Labour supporter. He must be spinning in his grave.

by Original Quill Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:46 am

Fred M. wrote:Really, Quill? Organised abuse and gang rape of teenage girls and even children? Organised human trafficking of drug mules, prostitutes of both sexes (or maybe all sexes -personally I have lost track of who is supposed to be what these days)? Organised aggressive begging (and boy, if you have experienced it as I have, "aggressive" hardly begins to describe it)? Organised gang-related crime where knives and even guns are a first, and not last, resort?

I guess you guys have a lot of work to do. Apparently, y'all haven't mastered the art of assimilation yet. Evil or Very Mad

by nicko Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:13 am

Quill, you live in your own little [sheltered] world !

by Original Quill Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:56 pm

nicko wrote: Quill, you live in your own little [sheltered] world !

To the contrary, I think you and many Brits want to live in your own sheltered world...i.e., a world without people of color. Brits--and indeed, Europeans--are used to being 'takers', not givers on immigration. The "Empire" was alright when it was net, net to the advantage of the mother nation, but now that positions are reversed...well, fair is fair.

We in the Americas are used to assimilating people of other nations...and yes, some of them, people of color. My point is not to defend rapists (like Republicans), but to point out that something is wrong when you fail to embrace another people, and they feel alienated enough to ignore your customs and laws.

A people subscribe to a nation when they feel welcome and included...that's how we in America have always done it. Why is that not happening over there? As the hosts of the United Kingdom, it's the Anglos' responsibility to reach out and make it happen. So far, y'all have been a disappointment when it comes to the words of Emma Lazarus, etched onto our Statute of Liberty:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

by nicko Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:00 pm

Quill, I wish you'd remember[Iv mentioned it a few times] I have 6 people of "colour" , that's the correct spelling Laughing

in my close Family !

by Syl Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:18 pm

Original Quill wrote:
nicko wrote: Quill, you live in your own little [sheltered] world !

To the contrary, I think you and many Brits want to live in your own sheltered world...i.e., a world without people of color. Brits--and indeed, Europeans--are used to being 'takers', not givers on immigration. The "Empire" was alright when it was net, net to the advantage of the mother nation, but now that positions are reversed...well, fair is fair.

We in the Americas are used to assimilating people of other nations...and yes, some of them, people of color. My point is not to defend rapists (like Republicans), but to point out that something is wrong when you fail to embrace another people, and they feel alienated enough to ignore your customs and laws.

A people subscribe to a nation when they feel welcome and included...that's how we in America have always done it. Why is that not happening over there? As the hosts of the United Kingdom, it's the Anglos' responsibility to reach out and make it happen. So far, y'all have been a disappointment when it comes to the words of Emma Lazarus, etched onto our Statute of Liberty:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

I think you judge everyone by your own standards sometimes.
Come to Manchester, people of all colour and culture are welcomed here, and have been for decades.
We have a Mayor that has pledged that he will not rest until every person, no matter who he may be, will have a bed every night, he even gives up a portion of his pay to keep the homeless safe.

Your statue of liberty may have the words scrawled on her....our city is taking measures to ensure this is the reality, and they do say actions speak louder than words.

by Original Quill Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:29 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

To the contrary, I think you and many Brits want to live in your own sheltered world...i.e., a world without people of color. Brits--and indeed, Europeans--are used to being 'takers', not givers on immigration. The "Empire" was alright when it was net, net to the advantage of the mother nation, but now that positions are reversed...well, fair is fair.

We in the Americas are used to assimilating people of other nations...and yes, some of them, people of color. My point is not to defend rapists (like Republicans), but to point out that something is wrong when you fail to embrace another people, and they feel alienated enough to ignore your customs and laws.

A people subscribe to a nation when they feel welcome and included...that's how we in America have always done it. Why is that not happening over there? As the hosts of the United Kingdom, it's the Anglos' responsibility to reach out and make it happen. So far, y'all have been a disappointment when it comes to the words of Emma Lazarus, etched onto our Statute of Liberty:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

I think you judge everyone by your own standards sometimes.
Come to Manchester, people of all colour and culture are welcomed here, and have been for decades.
We have a Mayor that has pledged that he will not rest until every person, no matter who he may be, will have a bed every night, he even gives up a portion of his pay to keep the homeless safe.

Your statue of liberty may have the words scrawled on her....our city is taking measures to ensure this is the reality, and they do say actions speak louder than words.

How wonderful. You need more people like your wonderful Mayor and beautiful city of Manchester.

by Victorismyhero Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:57 pm

Says quill whose country is the epitome of goodness and light....

with a murder rate of 4 1/2 times that of the UK..

talking outta your arse again .....

you are in no position to lecture US on either law observance OR "integration"

nor are you in anyway fit to lecture us on law enforcement.

your Nation is NOT "the best" in anything (with one exception), it, like most nations "does what it can"

and YOU are little but a condescending, pontificating windbag. You think throwing a few clever sounding latin phrases and quotes from obsucre literary sources at a debate gives your side of the argument credibility...well I can tell you it doesn't, in fact it merelt increases the derision with which it is greeted.......

oh...and that exception......destabilising other nations to satify your nations greed for resources (when according to the Quill book of hypocrisy, killing babies is alright) You claim to be some sort of libertarian yet you are as much a greed driven corporate shill as any crazed fiscal right winger I have ever known. Justifying pillage as "a national interest"...more like a national hobby if you ask me......

by Victorismyhero Mon Oct 22, 2018 8:10 pm

Even your toilets hate you London knife crime hits highest level ever recorded 3489511464

https://news.sky.com/story/toilet-recall-exploding-flush-systems-cause-dozens-of-injuries-in-us-11532659

"More than a million toilet flushing systems have been recalled in the US after a spate of cistern explosions caused injuries.

The bursting Flushmate II 501-B devices have also resulted in property damage costing around $710,000 (£547,000).

The explosions have caused two dozen injuries including one person who needed foot surgery, NBC News reports."

by Original Quill Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:27 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Says quill whose country is the epitome of goodness and light....

with a murder rate of 4 1/2 times that of the UK..

talking outta your arse again .....

you are in no position to lecture US on either law observance OR "integration"

nor are you in anyway fit to lecture us on law enforcement.

your Nation is NOT "the best" in anything (with one exception), it, like most nations "does what it can"

and YOU are little but a condescending, pontificating windbag. You think throwing a few clever sounding latin phrases and quotes from obsucre literary sources at a debate gives your side of the argument credibility...well I can tell you it doesn't, in fact it merelt increases the derision with which it is greeted.......

oh...and that exception......destabilising other nations to satify your nations greed for resources (when according to the Quill book of hypocrisy, killing babies is alright) You claim to be some sort of libertarian yet you are as much a greed driven corporate shill as any crazed fiscal right winger I have ever known. Justifying pillage as "a national interest"...more like a national hobby if you ask me......

So I take it you are not interested in bettering your country.

Well, that's all right with me. As long as we've got pussy-grabber to deal with, I don't give a rats ass about Europe.

by Victorismyhero Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:50 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Says quill whose country is the epitome of goodness and light....

with a murder rate of 4 1/2 times that of the UK..

talking outta your arse again .....

you are in no position to lecture US on either law observance OR "integration"

nor are you in anyway fit to lecture us on law enforcement.

your Nation is NOT "the best" in anything (with one exception), it, like most nations "does what it can"

and YOU are little but a condescending, pontificating windbag. You think throwing a few clever sounding latin phrases and quotes from obsucre literary sources at a debate gives your side of the argument credibility...well I can tell you it doesn't, in fact it merelt increases the derision with which it is greeted.......

oh...and that exception......destabilising other nations to satify your nations greed for resources (when according to the Quill book of hypocrisy, killing babies is alright) You claim to be some sort of libertarian yet you are as much a greed driven corporate shill as any crazed fiscal right winger I have ever known. Justifying pillage as "a national interest"...more like a national hobby if you ask me......

So I take it you are not interested in bettering your country.

Oh yes, but not by following YOUR dubious duplicitous advice

Well, that's all right with me. As long as we've got pussy-grabber to deal with, I don't give a rats ass about Europe.

Well given the record of the USA's "help" to other nations, perhaps we should be grateful of that.....

by Original Quill Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:03 am

Vic wrote:Oh yes, but not by following YOUR dubious duplicitous advice

How would you know? You haven't even read it.

Vic wrote:Well given the record of the USA's "help" to other nations, perhaps we should be grateful of that.....

That's more like it. You are more interested in criticizing the US, than you are about bettering your own country.

I agree that the US is a shithole. We have one way out. California is still available as a stand-alone nation.

by Syl Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:13 am

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

I think you judge everyone by your own standards sometimes.
Come to Manchester, people of all colour and culture are welcomed here, and have been for decades.
We have a Mayor that has pledged that he will not rest until every person, no matter who he may be, will have a bed every night, he even gives up a portion of his pay to keep the homeless safe.

Your statue of liberty may have the words scrawled on her....our city is taking measures to ensure this is the reality, and they do say actions speak louder than words.

How wonderful. You need more people like your wonderful Mayor and beautiful city of Manchester.

We have lots of people and places that welcome diversity and want the best for people.
Manchester is just one example.

by Original Quill Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:19 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

How wonderful. You need more people like your wonderful Mayor and beautiful city of Manchester.

We have lots of people and places that welcome diversity and want the best for people.
Manchester is just one example.

I know. It isn't associated with a geographic location like it is in the US. But there is a strong core of white nationalism there as well.

by Syl Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:30 am

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

We have lots of people and places that welcome diversity and want the best for people.
Manchester is just one example.

I know. It isn't associated with a geographic location like it is in the US. But there is a strong core of white nationalism there as well.

Nowhere is perfect, there will always be some who resent others who are different, but on the whole the UK is a welcoming island....probably more than many other countries.

by Original Quill Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:33 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I know. It isn't associated with a geographic location like it is in the US. But there is a strong core of white nationalism there as well.

Nowhere is perfect, there will always be some who resent others who are different, but on the whole the UK is a welcoming island....probably more than many other countries.

That's exactly why I like California and the west coast of America. The rest of the place is not so welcoming.

by Syl Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:50 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Nowhere is perfect, there will always be some who resent others who are different, but on the whole the UK is a welcoming island....probably more than many other countries.

That's exactly why I like California and the west coast of America. The rest of the place is not so welcoming.

Well obviously America cant be compared to the UK...it's so vast. Whereas we travel abroad to experience different cultures you can stay in the same country and meet people of total opposites.

by Original Quill Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:32 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

That's exactly why I like California and the west coast of America. The rest of the place is not so welcoming.

Well obviously America cant be compared to the UK...it's so vast. Whereas we travel abroad to experience different cultures you can stay in the same country and meet people of total opposites.

Unfortunately, you are going for views, rather than news. I'm not talking about the Grand Canyon, New York's Broadway, or the beautiful Shenandoah Valley. I'm talking about culture and ideology, the ugly racism, the lack of democracy, and the disrespect of uniform law to govern the nation.

by Fred Moletrousers Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:44 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred M. wrote:Really, Quill? Organised abuse and gang rape of teenage girls and even children? Organised human trafficking of drug mules, prostitutes of both sexes (or maybe all sexes -personally I have lost track of who is supposed to be what these days)? Organised aggressive begging (and boy, if you have experienced it as I have, "aggressive" hardly begins to describe it)? Organised gang-related crime where knives and even guns are a first, and not last, resort?

I guess you guys have a lot of work to do. Apparently, y'all haven't mastered the art of assimilation yet.

Quill, such people do not wantto be assimilated. In fact they completely and openly reject our standards and our values.

Organised criminal gangs tend to be like that.....

by Original Quill Tue Oct 23, 2018 11:49 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I guess you guys have a lot of work to do. Apparently, y'all haven't mastered the art of assimilation yet.

Quill, such people do not wantto be assimilated. In fact they completely and openly reject our standards and our values.

Organised criminal gangs tend to be like that.....

Subscription to a cause or movement is an elusive thing. It must be conceived, not in its opposite, but in an entirely different evolution:

But, just as discontinuance of the dissonant note does not mean resolution, peacemaking means more than mere discontinuance of the discordant situation. The point is not to stop the opposite, but to create something else altogether. This is the idea of transformation.

If you see the problem as accepting "our standards and our values", you'll not get anywhere. You see it as 'them' or 'us', and that's a zero sum game. It merely calls back into existence the division. Assimilation, like peacemaking, requires real transformation.

by Tommy Monk Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:44 am

Fit in or fuck off!!!

It is not for us to lower ourselves to the 3rd world ways of some other immigrants for them to feel at home here in our country...

In fact... it is a major govt failure to have allowed any of them to be here in the first place!!!

This is the Labour legacy...!

by Original Quill Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:47 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Fit in or fuck off!!!

It is not for us to lower ourselves to the 3rd world ways of some other immigrants for them to feel at home here in our country...

In fact... it is a major govt failure to have allowed any of them to be here in the first place!!!

This is the Labour legacy...!

Exactly the problem.

by Tommy Monk Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:41 pm

The problem is mass immigration...

by Syl Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The problem is mass immigration...

A big part of the problem of knife crime in London are the gangs, predominately black gangs, but many of these kids are second and third generation immigrants, they have been bred and born here, so how come now they turn to violence?
Their parents and grandparents managed to live peacefully and adapt to the British way of life....whats gone so wrong now?

The answer isnt to blindly blame mass immigration.

by Tommy Monk Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:23 pm

Blacks have been responsible for high levels of violence and other crime in London for decades...

by Tommy Monk Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:24 pm

And Pakistanis...

by Tommy Monk Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:31 pm

London knife crime hits highest level ever recorded CUCh4YR

And here is another chart that smashes didge constant accusation that blacks are more likely to be convicted than whites... when in fact this graph shows whites are more likely to be convicted...

London knife crime hits highest level ever recorded FVPJTBB

London knife crime hits highest level ever recorded FVPJTBB

by Original Quill Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:24 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:The problem is mass immigration...

A big part of the problem of knife crime in London are the gangs, predominately black gangs, but many of these kids are second and third generation immigrants, they have been bred and born here, so how come now they turn to violence?
Their parents and grandparents managed to live peacefully and adapt to the British way of life....whats gone so wrong now?

The answer isnt to blindly blame mass immigration.

The violence comes from two discordant cultures. A first or second generation of immigrants lays back and believes that accommodation will come when the two cultures are used to each other. But when one of those cultures is arbitrarily resistant and shunning, about the third generation of the other culture realizes that they must accept second-class citizenship or make their own way.

It's what that 'make their own way' means, that is the rub. There's always an element of any culture that finds violence as a path.

by Fred Moletrousers Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:30 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Quill, such people do not wantto be assimilated. In fact they completely and openly reject our standards and our values.

Organised criminal gangs tend to be like that.....

Subscription to a cause or movement is an elusive thing. It must be conceived, not in its opposite, but in an entirely different evolution:

But, just as discontinuance of the dissonant note does not mean resolution, peacemaking means more than mere discontinuance of the discordant situation. The point is not to stop the opposite, but to create something else altogether. This is the idea of transformation.

If you see the problem as accepting "our standards and our values", you'll not get anywhere. You see it as 'them' or 'us', and that's a zero sum game. It merely calls back into existence the division. Assimilation, like peacemaking, requires real transformation.

Our "standards and values" do not include the organised and systematic abduction, abuse and rape of young women and girls.

They do not include the toleration of gang bosses who violently control vulnerable kids as drug mules in the relatively new and rapidly expanding "county lines" phenomenon.

They do not include the use of knives and even guns as a weapon of first, and not last, resort.

They do not include the religious clerical preaching of intolerance, hate and violence towards perceived "non-believers" in their own God and prophets.

They do not include demands to have the right to disobey and disregard the democratically formulated legal system and laws on the country in which they choose to live.

They do not include the right to demand religious war in host states with the ultimate aim of destroying their own system of democratic governance and replaying it with a dictatorial theocracy.

They do not include the right to enforce the subservience of women to comply with their own customs and traditions.

I could go on and on...

Are you seriously going to tell me that the United States, even under a Democrat-controlled administration of the most liberal persuasion, would gladly accept all of that?

Because believe me, Quill, it is happening here and in other parts of Europe. Now.

by nicko Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:54 pm

Could not have put it better myself Fred, but Quill lives in California , They all go around stoned , they wouldn't notice it !

by Original Quill Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:08 pm

Fred M. wrote:Are you seriously going to tell me that the United States, even under a Democrat-controlled administration of the most liberal persuasion, would gladly accept all of that?

Because believe me, Quill, it is happening here and in other parts of Europe. Now.

You're not digging deep enough, Fred. The systematic abduction, abuse and rape, gang bosses, the knives and guns, indeed the “hate and violence” comes from your system not working.

You are making two claims: (1) the system is not working; and (2) it’s all their fault! I agree, the system is not working. But, I disagree that it’s all their fault.

The Brits, even though they are parents of our culture, are neophytes when it comes to immigration and assimulation. As Brexit proved, a substantial, perhaps a major portion of your population is heavy nationalism…the same thing that led to Hitler. Zenophobia is rampant.

Here’s my answer: Imagine a family with only one child formerly, but recently welcoming a second child. For the older one, life is completely changed. It’s unfair, dammt! And, he points to the new one and says, it’s all his fault.

To this older child, this is a family that has only one child, and the new one will have to accept that and accept being permanently a second-class member of the family. He's pissed!

Do you see the trouble coming? Unless the parents intercede, the second child is about to receive a heavy dose of how he is the problem, that he never should have come, in short, that he is evil. He should be exiled or locked up.

Of course, what does the second child know…having just been born? It’s the self-fulling prophecy: he becomes what he is told he is!

Second or third year, he’s locked in. That second kid is now an abductior, abuser and rapist, a gang member, with knives and guns, indeed the “hate and violence” is hammered in. We’ve been doing it to blacks for 500-years, and now Hispanics, so we’re old hands at it.

No Fred, we’re old hat at this. Unless your leaders (in our example, the parents) take matters into their own hands and educate the family, you’ll end up just like our south.

by Guest Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:15 pm

Wow, there is the worst load of tripe, that has no bases on the criminology of the cases presdented by Fred

For example they are happenning in very Liberal countries like Sweden, Norway etc. So is Quill going to use the same excuse as Brexit or immigration? This country has always been very accomadating and many have bent over backwards to get on with people. So has Swedon, but people are fed up at the rise of crime rates. Brexit is more about gaining control for a nation with its own laws. People are not against immigration here. They are against uncontrolled immigration. Which effects the entire infrustructure for the country and all the people, including all those immigrants. It means everyone suffers.
Most of these crimes have been going on for years, way before even brexit was a concept thought of by the vast majority of the people.

There is something so appalling and disgusting, when someone tries to paint the finger of fault on the populace and the system. Fo why people hold poor religious outdated backward extreme beliefs. That have been around for thousands of years. Let alone what has led to the increase in knife crime, has everything to do with drug wars. Between rival gangs.

This is why I simple do not even look to Quill as someone credible anymore. His view is not to look at the actual cause of grooming gangs, knife attacks, terrorism etc. Its to blame the people and system for these criminals That is the most dumbest apologist argument I have ever heard

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