Crime rate in England and Wales falls 15% to its lowest level in 33 years

victorisnotamused wrote:It may well be THE crime survey....but it uses statistics from the police forces...and we know how open transparent and politically unbiased THEIR stats are....


prhaps if what andy says is right and two forces using the "proper " statistics show differently then there is a problem...either with their areas OR with the rest of the countries police stats...

lets face it...stats can (and regularly ARE) "massaged" by those with an axe to grind, especially those who wish to hide uncomfortable truths...like the left....

victorisnotamused wrote:simple really didge...simple like you.....

YOU JUST DEFINE things to suit....

you see thats the problem with stats.....It all depends on how you define your data.....

as for it being repeuted to be one of the best...that is meaningless drivel...the best pile of shit is STILL a pile of shit....however you look at it.

Thing Is...I dont know if its right or wrong.....the level of violent crime that has affected me in many years has been zero.....

what I do KNOW with 100% certainty is that you cannot trust "official" figures, especially when they confirm what the "about to enter an election campaign" ruling party want everybody to think........

victorisnotamused wrote:I do know how things are recorded.....

what neither YOU nor I know is whether or not THOSE definitions...(that a&E use) are the SAME as those used by the survey..AND we also need to know IF those definitions used by A&E are accurate...I mean...they can only go by what people tell them...

as to it being said to be the most accurate...who said that???

• Is a victimisation survey in which adults living in private households are asked about their experiences of crime in face-to-face interviews.
  
• Currently interviews over 51,000 people aged 16 or over every year.
  
• Is a survey of a representative sample of people resident in England and Wales (the British Crime Survey
  
• does not sample people in Scotland or Northern Ireland, which have separate surveys: the Scottish Crime & Justice Surveyand the ]Northern Ireland Crime & Victimisation Survey.)
  
• Asks about people’s experiences and perceptions of crime
  
•  Includes questions on people’s attitudes towards crime-related topics (including, for example, anti-social behaviour, the police, and criminal justice system)
  
• Provides what many criminologists consider to be a very reliable measure of the extent of victimisation and of national trends over time
  
• Is not affected by whether the public report crime or by changes to the way in which the police record crime
  

Didge wrote:The British Crime Survey:

• Is a victimisation survey in which adults living in private households are asked about their experiences of crime in face-to-face interviews.
  
• Currently interviews over 51,000 people aged 16 or over every year.
  
• Is a survey of a representative sample of people resident in England and Wales (the British Crime Survey
  
• does not sample people in Scotland or Northern Ireland, which have separate surveys: the Scottish Crime & Justice Surveyand the ]Northern Ireland Crime & Victimisation Survey.)
  
• Asks about people’s experiences and perceptions of crime
  
•  Includes questions on people’s attitudes towards crime-related topics (including, for example, anti-social behaviour, the police, and criminal justice system)
  
• Provides what many criminologists consider to be a very reliable measure of the extent of victimisation and of national trends over time
  
• Is not affected by whether the public report crime or by changes to the way in which the police record crime
  

http://www.crimlinks.com/BritishCrimeSurvey.html

Didge wrote:

Didge wrote:The British Crime Survey:

• Is a victimisation survey in which adults living in private households are asked about their experiences of crime in face-to-face interviews.
  
• Currently interviews over 51,000 people aged 16 or over every year.
  
• Is a survey of a representative sample of people resident in England and Wales (the British Crime Survey
  
• does not sample people in Scotland or Northern Ireland, which have separate surveys: the Scottish Crime & Justice Surveyand the ]Northern Ireland Crime & Victimisation Survey.)
  
• Asks about people’s experiences and perceptions of crime
  
•  Includes questions on people’s attitudes towards crime-related topics (including, for example, anti-social behaviour, the police, and criminal justice system)
  
• Provides what many criminologists consider to be a very reliable measure of the extent of victimisation and of national trends over time
  
• Is not affected by whether the public report crime or by changes to the way in which the police record crime
  

http://www.crimlinks.com/BritishCrimeSurvey.html

As seen experts seem to think they are realiable

Didge wrote:More to the point Victor you fall into the following link category of over exaggeration, think things are far worse than they actually are and again offer no proof except athleticism:









A new survey by Ipsos MORI for the Royal Statistical Society and King’s College London highlights how wrong the British public can be on the make-up of the population and the scale of key social policy issues.  The top ten misperceptions are:
1.       Teenage pregnancy: on average, we think teenage pregnancy is 25 times higher than official estimates:  we think that 15% of girls under 16 get pregnant each year, when official figures suggest it is around 0.6%[i]. 
2.       Crime: 58% do not believe that crime is falling, when the Crime Survey for England and Wales shows that incidents of crime were 19% lower in 2012 than in 2006/07 and 53% lower than in 1995[ii].  51% think violent crime is rising, when it has fallen from almost 2.5 million incidents in 2006/07 to under 2 million in 2012[iii].
3.       Job-seekers allowance: 29% of people think we spend more on JSA than pensions, when in fact we spend 15 times more on pensions (£4.9bn vs £74.2bn)[iv].
4.       Benefit fraud: people estimate that 34 times more benefit money is claimed fraudulently than official estimates: the public think that £24 out of every £100 spent on benefits is claimed fraudulently, compared with official estimates of £0.70 per £100[v].
5.       Foreign aid: 26% of people think foreign aid is one of the top 2-3 items government spends most money on, when it actually made up 1.1% of expenditure (£7.9bn) in the 2011/12 financial year.  More people select this as a top item of expenditure than pensions (which cost nearly ten times as much, £74bn) and education in the UK (£51.5bn)[vi].
6.       Religion: we greatly overestimate the proportion of the population who are Muslims: on average we say 24%, compared with 5% in England and Wales.  And we underestimate the proportion of Christians: we estimate 34% on average, compared with the actual proportion of 59% in England and Wales[vii].
7.       Immigration and ethnicity: the public think that 31% of the population are immigrants, when the official figures are 13%[viii]. Even estimates that attempt to account for illegal immigration suggest a figure closer to 15%.  There are similar misperceptions on ethnicity: the average estimate is that Black and Asian people make up 30% of the population, when it is actually 11% (or 14% if we include mixed and other non-white ethnic groups)[ix].
8.       Age: we think the population is much older than it actually is – the average estimate is that 36% of the population are 65+, when only 16% are[x].
9.       Benefit bill: people are most likely to think that capping benefits at £26,000 per household will save most money from a list provided (33% pick this option), over twice the level that select raising the pension age to 66 for both men and women or stopping child benefit when someone in the household earns £50k+.  In fact, capping household benefits is estimated to save £290m[xi], compared with £5bn[xii] for raising the pension age and £1.7bn[xiii] for stopping child benefit for wealthier households.
10.   Voting: we underestimate the proportion of people who voted in the last general election – our average guess is 43%, when 65% of the electorate actually did (51% of the whole population)[xiv]. 
These misperceptions present clear issues for informed public debate and policy-making, which will be discussed at an event being run by the Royal Statistical Society, King’s College London and Ipsos MORI today, as part of the International Year of Statistics.

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3188/Perceptions-are-not-reality-the-top-10-we-get-wrong.aspx

Didge wrote:

Didge wrote:More to the point Victor you fall into the following link category of over exaggeration, think things are far worse than they actually are and again offer no proof except athleticism:









A new survey by Ipsos MORI for the Royal Statistical Society and King’s College London highlights how wrong the British public can be on the make-up of the population and the scale of key social policy issues.  The top ten misperceptions are:
[color=#757575]1.       Teenage pregnancy: on average, we think teenage pregnancy is 25 times higher than official estimates:  we think that 15% of girls under 16 get pregnant each year, when official figures suggest it is around 0.6%.ipsos-

never discussed...but i have never thought much different I have always considered the myth of vast rates of teen pregnancy is another R/W myth

mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3188/Perceptions-are-not-reality-the-top-10-we-get-wrong.aspx#_edn1][i][/url]. 
2.       Crime: 58% do not believe that crime is falling, when the Crime Survey for England and Wales shows that incidents of crime were 19% lower in 2012 than in 2006/07 and 53% lower than in 1995

As I said...I dont know...I have to take the figure as given.....that still doesnt stop me being skeptical.....especially with the timing...very convenient....

[ii].  51% think violent crime is rising, when it has fallen from almost 2.5 million incidents in 2006/07 to under 2 million in 2012[iii].
3.       Job-seekers allowance: 29% of people think we spend more on JSA than pensions, when in fact we spend 15 times more on pensions (£4.9bn vs £74.2bn)[iv].
4.       Benefit fraud: people estimate that 34 times more benefit money is claimed fraudulently than official estimates: the public think that £24 out of every £100 spent on benefits is claimed fraudulently, compared with official estimates of £0.70 per £100[v].

Again...I have NEVER disputed those facts....ever...and the mis perception of this is again R/W propaganda......stirred up by the media and reinforced by your pals, who love playing politics with peoples lives...


5.       Foreign aid: 26% of people think foreign aid is one of the top 2-3 items government spends most money on, when it actually made up 1.1% of expenditure (£7.9bn) in the 2011/12 financial year.  More people select this as a top item of expenditure than pensions (which cost nearly ten times as much, £74bn) and education in the UK (£51.5bn)[vi].

i have again never said otherwise...what I have said is that IF benefits are a problem then foreign aid should be cut to provide for our own....according to the figures you have kindly provided...JSA costs 4.9bn whilst foreign aid costs 7.9bn....a no brainer really.....

6.       Religion: we greatly overestimate the proportion of the population who are Muslims: on average we say 24%, compared with 5% in England and Wales.

Actually...I undersetimated at 3%

  And we underestimate the proportion of Christians: we estimate 34% on average, compared with the actual proportion of 59% in England and Wales[vii].

since i never commented on that issue.....its nonsense in the context of our discussion....mere padding


7.       Immigration and ethnicity: the public think that 31% of the population are immigrants, when the official figures are 13%[viii]. Even estimates that attempt to account for illegal immigration suggest a figure closer to 15%.  There are similar misperceptions on ethnicity: the average estimate is that Black and Asian people make up 30% of the population, when it is actually 11% (or 14% if we include mixed and other non-white ethnic groups)[ix].

again...I dont think I have ever offered an estimate of the % breakdown of ethnicity in the uk????

8.       Age: we think the population is much older than it actually is – the average estimate is that 36% of the population are 65+, when only 16% are[x].

never offered any opinion...snce nobody ever asked...more padding

9.       Benefit bill: people are most likely to think that capping benefits at £26,000 per household will save most money from a list provided (33% pick this option), over twice the level that select raising the pension age to 66 for both men and women or stopping child benefit when someone in the household earns £50k+.  In fact, capping household benefits is estimated to save £290m[xi], compared with £5bn[xii] for raising the pension age and £1.7bn[xiii] for stopping child benefit for wealthier households.
10.  

Again I doubt I have ever offered an opinion contrary to this....again these perceptions are due SOLEY to the R/W propaganda machine ...reinforced by claptrap from westminster....your pals at it again didge........


 Voting: we underestimate the proportion of people who voted in the last general election – our average guess is 43%, when 65% of the electorate actually did (51% of the whole population)[xiv]. 

never offered an opinion....however 65% is an appalingly low turnout.....not as low as it has been at times ...but still low....which shows how exciting joe public finds politics....


These misperceptions present clear issues for informed public debate and policy-making, which will be discussed at an event being run by the Royal Statistical Society, King’s College London and Ipsos MORI today, as part of the International Year of Statistics.

http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3188/Perceptions-are-not-reality-the-top-10-we-get-wrong.aspx

Yes this one is more up your thinking Victor, in fact bang on the money to your poor perceptions

Didge wrote:Have to answer this before I go, because I really just spat my dinner out with laughing, as irony is not one of Victors strong points or even understanding the point I was making.


Lets give him the night to try and figure out what it was, as never claimed he viewd this views points but on something else.

Bless him, thanks for the laugh Victor, but you missed the point

and wasted time responding to the view points, that is what is even funnier


Ha Ha Ha Ha

Night

victorisnotamused wrote:

Didge wrote:Have to answer this before I go, because I really just spat my dinner out with laughing, as irony is not one of Victors strong points or even understanding the point I was making.


Lets give him the night to try and figure out what it was, as never claimed he viewd this views points but on something else.

Bless him, thanks for the laugh Victor, but you missed the point

and wasted time responding to the view points, that is what is even funnier


Ha Ha Ha Ha

Night

thank you didge.....finally you have admitted that you are indeed what I called you a while back....


TROLL ::troll:: 

back on ignore ...since you dont want to "debate" since you have no points and are in a minority of one....all you want to do is "waste peoples time", which explains the childish drivel you come out with.

you can  ::troll::  to yourself