Diabetic mother's family call police after nurses at scandal-hit hospital 'refused to help 59-year-old and left her lying in her soiled bed for three hours'

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A family called the police after nurses at a scandal hit hospital refused to help their mother as she lay in her soiled bed for three hours. After weeks of 'dreadful neglect' they say they lost their patience and called 101 the police non emergency line.

Debbie Petinou, 59, had been left to lie in her own urine and faeces on countless occasions, it is alleged, leaving her with the equivalent of third degree burns. And she was forced to remain in a chair on a ward for more than two weeks because the hospital couldn't find her the right sort of bed.

A police report is now with social workers charged with protecting vulnerable adults.

The straw that broke the camel's back came after Mrs Petinou soiled herself and was left for so long she rang one of her daughters. Speaking from her bed at the North Middlesex Hospital, the diabetic mother-of-three, who weighs 22 stone, said: 'I just got to the end of my tether. It wasn't the first time I'd been left for hours like that. It had happened many times before.

'I rang my youngest daughter and she called in and tried to talk to the staff but they kept shouting down at the phone at her and then hung up.

Last week the trust that runs the hospital in Edmonton, North London was failed by a Care Quality Commission inspection for the third time in three years and given a rating of Requires Improvement.

Earlier this year a patient bled to death after being left unattended in the A&E department for hours.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173321/Diabetic-mothers-family-call-police-nurses-hospital-refused-help-59-year-old.html

It's perfectly simple. A lot of people start to put on weight - probably due to comfort eating, the ease of getting junk food, and laziness, but what you do is pull yourself up and lose the weight before you end up so fat that you can't move.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


I suggested you actually answer my questions

Would you like me to repeat them?

You never answer my questions.

Did you answer mine?

Stop being fake and actually address my points

You are being fake as you know I have you by the imaginary balls you wish to have metaphorically speaking?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You never answer my questions.

Did you answer mine?

Stop being fake and actually address my points

You are being fake as you know I have you by the imaginary balls you wish to have metaphorically speaking?

I'm being honest - it's strange how you suddenly don't like that isn't it?

Raggamuffin wrote:It's perfectly simple. A lot of people start to put on weight - probably due to comfort eating, the ease of getting junk food, and laziness, but what you do is pull yourself up and lose the weight before you end up so fat that you can't move.

What has any of the above got to do with how she was claimed to have been treated?

Seriously?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Did you answer mine?

Stop being fake and actually address my points

You are being fake as you know I have you by the imaginary balls you wish to have metaphorically speaking?

I'm being honest - it's strange how you suddenly don't like that isn't it?

Its hilarious, how you still wont answer my questions

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It's perfectly simple. A lot of people start to put on weight - probably due to comfort eating, the ease of getting junk food, and laziness, but what you do is pull yourself up and lose the weight before you end up so fat that you can't move.

What has any of the above got to do with how she was claimed to have been treated?

Seriously?

You want to complain that I'm off topic now? I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Muslims or Jews in this thread.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


What has any of the above got to do with how she was claimed to have been treated?

Seriously?

You want to complain that I'm off topic now? I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Muslims or Jews in this thread.

I will just allow other posters to see how much I have this in the bag by the above

And didge has the point, her weight is utterly irrelevant to the situation....regardless of what in raggas "ideal world" SHOULD be, the woman 22stone Or NOT, should not have been subject to gross neglect. Those responsible should be prosecuted for negligence at least, and assault by neglect if possible, for which there is good precedent in the form of christian teachings and the "sin of omission". Part of the problem of course is money and worse "too many chiefs and not enough indians" which exists in all hospitals theese days.....sack about half of the overpaid, usually non medical administrators and their inevitable hangers on that cluster like dingleberris round them and we could double the number of frontline staff. However we ALSO need to up the quality of some of these front line staff too. I have to say that at the hospital my father was in after his stroke the staff were superb, but then again they had myself and 2 brothers riding their backs 24/7 during the first few critical weeks and then from 10 till 8 every day thereafter. Mind we did help with a lot of his immediate nursing needs, feeding toileting and later physio, and spent a lot of time liasing with drs and the specialist.

Lord Foul wrote:And didge has the point, her weight is utterly irrelevant to the situation....regardless of what in raggas "ideal world" SHOULD be, the woman 22stone Or NOT, should not have been subject to gross neglect. Those responsible should be prosecuted for negligence at least, and assault by neglect if possible, for which there is good precedent in the form of christian teachings and the "sin of omission". Part of the problem of course is money and worse "too many chiefs and not enough indians" which exists in all hospitals theese days.....sack about half of the overpaid, usually non medical administrators and their inevitable hangers on that cluster like dingleberris round them and we could double the number of frontline staff. However we ALSO need to up the quality of some of these front line staff too. I have to say that at the hospital my father was in after his stroke the staff were superb, but then again they had myself and 2 brothers riding their backs 24/7 during the first few critical weeks and then from 10 till 8 every day thereafter. Mind we did help with a lot of his immediate nursing needs, feeding toileting and later physio, and spent a lot of time liasing with drs and the specialist.

+1 and a thanks. Its very sobering mate to hear this about your dad

The plus one is not for being in agreement but for sharing mate

Thank you, as that helps brings these problems to light.

If her weight is irrelevant, why did Didge link to a article which mentioned it?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You want to complain that I'm off topic now? I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Muslims or Jews in this thread.

I will just allow other posters to see how much I have this in the bag by the above

You worry too much about what other posters think. You must be very insecure.

Raggamuffin wrote:If her weight is irrelevant, why did Didge link to a article which mentioned it?

You mean the article itself?

I love how you still want to deflect

One question needs to be answered by you here

Should she have been left in her own shit and piss?

Yes or no?

What has her weight got to do with that?

Lord Foul wrote:And didge has the point, her weight is utterly irrelevant to the situation....regardless of what in raggas "ideal world" SHOULD be, the woman 22stone Or NOT, should not have been subject to gross neglect. Those responsible should be prosecuted for negligence at least, and assault by neglect if possible, for which there is good precedent in the form of christian teachings and the "sin of omission". Part of the problem of course is money and worse "too many chiefs and not enough indians" which exists in all hospitals theese days.....sack about half of the overpaid, usually non medical administrators and their inevitable hangers on that cluster like dingleberris round them and we could double the number of frontline staff. However we ALSO need to up the quality of some of these front line staff too. I have to say that at the hospital my father was in after his stroke the staff were superb, but then again they had myself and 2 brothers riding their backs 24/7 during the first few critical weeks and then from 10 till 8 every day thereafter. Mind we did help with a lot of his immediate nursing needs, feeding toileting and later physio, and spent a lot of time liasing with drs and the specialist.

Who do you consider is responsible then? The nurses, or the "too many chiefs"?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:If her weight is irrelevant, why did Didge link to a article which mentioned it?

You mean the article itself?

I love how you still want to deflect

One question needs to be answered by you here

Should he have been lefr in her own shit and piss?

Yes or no?

What has her weight got to do with that?

Obviously not - I wouldn't have thought that needed saying. However, if the back story is not relevant, why was it published?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:And didge has the point, her weight is utterly irrelevant to the situation....regardless of what in raggas "ideal world" SHOULD be, the woman 22stone Or NOT, should not have been subject to gross neglect. Those responsible should be prosecuted for negligence at least, and assault by neglect if possible, for which there is good precedent in the form of christian teachings and the "sin of omission". Part of the problem of course is money and worse "too many chiefs and not enough indians" which exists in all hospitals theese days.....sack about half of the overpaid, usually non medical administrators and their inevitable hangers on that cluster like dingleberris round them and we could double the number of frontline staff. However we ALSO need to up the quality of some of these front line staff too. I have to say that at the hospital my father was in after his stroke the staff were superb, but then again they had myself and 2 brothers riding their backs 24/7 during the first few critical weeks and then from 10 till 8 every day thereafter. Mind we did help with a lot of his immediate nursing needs, feeding toileting and later physio, and spent a lot of time liasing with drs and the specialist.

Who do you consider is responsible then? The nurses, or the "too many chiefs"?

People with sterotypes?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Who do you consider is responsible then? The nurses, or the "too many chiefs"?

People with sterotypes?

What?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


You mean the article itself?

I love how you still want to deflect

One question needs to be answered by you here

Should he have been lefr in her own shit and piss?

Yes or no?

What has her weight got to do with that?

Obviously not - I wouldn't have thought that needed saying. However, if the back story is not relevant, why was it published?

Why was it published?

Would you rather it was censured?

I would have thought it was obvious why it was published

Do you even need a reason?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

People with sterotypes?

What?

Your stigmatisation of people

Anyway, we don't know for sure what happened as the police found that she was well looked after.

Raggamuffin wrote:Anyway, we don't know for sure what happened as the police found that she was well looked after.

So photo evidence is not enough for you?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

What?

Your stigmatisation of people

You think I'm reponsible for the alleged situation in in this story? Now I know you've lost it.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Anyway, we don't know for sure what happened as the police found that she was well looked after.

So photo evidence is not enough for you?

Photos of her sitting in a chair and lying in bed? No. That's what people do in hospital.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Your stigmatisation of people

You think I'm reponsible for the alleged situation in in this story? Now I know you've lost it.

By invoking a smile?

Hilarious

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You think I'm reponsible for the alleged situation in in this story? Now I know you've lost it.

By invoking a smile?

Hilarious

You've completely lost the plot, as usual.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


So photo evidence is not enough for you?

Photos of her sitting in a chair and lying in bed? No. That's what people do in hospital.

No just pictures in your own shit and piss, that are not going to be released to the press, but the Police

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


By invoking a smile?

Hilarious

You've completely lost the plot, as usual.

I shall leave that up to the forum.....

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Photos of her sitting in a chair and lying in bed? No. That's what people do in hospital.

No just pictures in your own shit and piss, that are not going to be released to the press, but the Police

I haven't seen such photos, or read that they exist, so how can they be evidence? Anyway, even if such photos existed, how could anyone prove that it hadn't just happened? I doubt very much that the police are going to get involved further in this.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You've completely lost the plot, as usual.

I shall leave that up to the forum.....

You should learn to be more self-aware rather than rely on others.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


No just pictures in your own shit and piss, that are not going to be released to the press, but the Police

I haven't seen such photos, or read that they exist, so how can they be evidence? Anyway, even if such photos existed, how could anyone prove that it hadn't just happened? I doubt very much that the police are going to get involved further in this.

As part of an investigation

There is pictures already, is there not

They are not going to show ones where she may have pissed herself

Well again it shows you never did read the article

The Police are involved

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


I shall leave that up to the forum.....

You should learn to be more self-aware rather than rely on others.

I am aware, that you have the intellect of a two year old

Will that do?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I haven't seen such photos, or read that they exist, so how can they be evidence? Anyway, even if such photos existed, how could anyone prove that it hadn't just happened? I doubt very much that the police are going to get involved further in this.

As part of an investigation

There is pictures already, is there not

They are not going to show ones where she may have pissed herself

Well again it shows you never did read the article

The Police are involved

I'm sure you will post the follow-up article when the nurses are arrested for "violence against a person".

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You should learn to be more self-aware rather than rely on others.

I am aware, that you have the intellect of a two year old

Will that do?

That's not self-awareness Didge. Self awareness is relying on your own judgement, not to be always seeking approval from people on a forum, or seeking disapproval against others. You just need to be more self-reliant and responsible for yourself.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


I am aware, that you have the intellect of a two year old

Will that do?

That's not self-awareness Didge. Self awareness is relying on your own judgement, not to be always seeking approval from people on a forum, or seeking disapproval against others. You just need to be more self-reliant and responsible for yourself.

Okay, so self awareness

I can be judgemental, a prick, a twat and a right pain in the arse

How does that detract from you having the intellect and prejudice views of a 2 year old who thinks a toy not theirs but part of a nursery is theirs?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


As part of an investigation

There is pictures already, is there not

They are not going to show ones where she may have pissed herself

Well again it shows you never did read the article

The Police are involved

I'm sure you will post the follow-up article when the nurses are arrested for "violence against a person".

I hope they are arrested as they should be


So lets put this to the test

I this article is true, would you not also want those responsible for looking after her arrested for neglect?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

That's not self-awareness Didge. Self awareness is relying on your own judgement, not to be always seeking approval from people on a forum, or seeking disapproval against others. You just need to be more self-reliant and responsible for yourself.

Okay, so self awareness

I can be judgemental, a prick, a twat and a right pain in the arse

Finally, although you should have said that you are those things most of the time.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Okay, so self awareness

I can be judgemental, a prick, a twat and a right pain in the arse

Finally, although you should have said that you are those things most of the time.

I notice you avoided the restof the post

Here it is again for you

How does that detract from you having the intellect and prejudice views of a 2 year old who thinks a toy not theirs but part of a nursery is theirs?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm sure you will post the follow-up article when the nurses are arrested for "violence against a person".

I hope they are arrested as they should be


So lets put this to the test

I this article is true, would you not also want those responsible for looking after her arrested for neglect?

No. I'm sure there are a lot of complaints against nurses but they do a good job on the whole. I've had to nag nurses to get someone proper treatment myself, and I've questioned the treatment they were given by doctors, but doctors and nurses are only human like everyone else.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


I hope they are arrested as they should be


So lets put this to the test

I this article is true, would you not also want those responsible for looking after her arrested for neglect?

No. I'm sure there are a lot of complaints against nurses but they do a good job on the whole. I've had to nag nurses to get someone proper treatment myself, and I've questioned the treatment they were given by doctors, but doctors and nurses are only human like everyone else.

That is avoiding the question

Try again

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No. I'm sure there are a lot of complaints against nurses but they do a good job on the whole. I've had to nag nurses to get someone proper treatment myself, and I've questioned the treatment they were given by doctors, but doctors and nurses are only human like everyone else.

That is avoiding the question

Try again

I answered it. Can't you read?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


That is avoiding the question

Try again

I answered it. Can't you read?

In no way did you actually answer

Try again

If this article is true, would you not also want those responsible for looking after her arrested for neglect?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I answered it. Can't you read?

In no way did you actually answer

Try again

If this article is true, would you not also want those responsible for looking after her arrested for neglect?

I did answer it. I said "no. What you really mean is that you didn't like the answer.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


In no way did you actually answer

Try again

If this article is true, would you not also want those responsible for looking after her arrested for neglect?

I did answer it. I said "no. What you really mean is that you didn't like the answer.

I gave you a chance to actually think about your answer and you are happy for nurses and doctors to break the law with neglect

wow

Enough said

There is never ever an excuse for someone to lie in their own piss and shit for hours.

Your first post said it all

You cast her on her weight

Do you want me to remind you what you said?

This is now why there is a Police investigastion and you tried to spin me some bullshit. Where you have no idea and based this off speculative more bullshit

Hence i said, if TRUE, do you think they should be arrested

Do you stand by saying no?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I did answer it. I said "no. What you really mean is that you didn't like the answer.

I gave you a chance to actually think about your answer and you are happy for nurses and doctors to break the law with neglect

wow

Enough said

There is never ever an excuse for someone to lie in their own piss and shit for hours.

Your first answer said it all

You cast her on her weight

Do you want me to remind you what you said?

This is now why there is a Police investigastion and you tried to spin me some bullshit. Where you have no idea and based this off speculative more bullshit

Hence i said, if TRUE, do you think they should be arrested

Do you stand by saying no?

You asked me a question and I aswered it. No, I don't think they should be arrested. Is that clear enough for you?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

I gave you a chance to actually think about your answer and you are happy for nurses and doctors to break the law with neglect

wow

Enough said

There is never ever an excuse for someone to lie in their own piss and shit for hours.

Your first answer said it all

You cast her on her weight

Do you want me to remind you what you said?

This is now why there is a Police investigastion and you tried to spin me some bullshit. Where you have no idea and based this off speculative more bullshit

Hence i said, if TRUE, do you think they should be arrested

Do you stand by saying no?

You asked me a question and I aswered it. No, I don't think they should be arrested. Is that clear enough for you?

wow

I just said where if they broke the law with neglect as well

No need to say anymore and will aloow others to judge your views here

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You asked me a question and I aswered it. No, I don't think they should be arrested. Is that clear enough for you?

wow

I just said where if they broke the law with neglect as well

No need to say anymore and will aloow others to judge your views here

I don't give a stuff what others think about my answer. I told you already - you rely too much on what others on a forum think.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


wow

I just said where if they broke the law with neglect as well

No need to say anymore and will aloow others to judge your views here

I don't give a stuff what others think about my answer. I told you already - you rely too much on what others on a forum think.

Well I think people do care about how their own families are treated by nurses and doctors. Where none of them would want them treated this way and would all want action against any staff member who then neglects them, in the most appalling manner as happened here

I think you are on your own here Rags

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't give a stuff what others think about my answer. I told you already - you rely too much on what others on a forum think.

Well I think people do care about how their own families are treated by nurses and doctors. Where none of them would want them treated this way and would all want action against any staff member who then neglects them, in the most appalling manner as happened here

I think you are on your own here Rags

Perhaps, but so what? I just don't get why you think everyone is looking for approval all the time. It's weird.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well I think people do care about how their own families are treated by nurses and doctors. Where none of them would want them treated this way and would all want action against any staff member who then neglects them, in the most appalling manner as happened here

I think you are on your own here Rags

Perhaps, but so what? I just don't get why you think everyone is looking for approval all the time. It's weird.

You mean you cannot understand people want justice within the law?

Hence my point to you whether if this story was true and you basically wanted to brush this under the carpet.

Now that is wierd how you would want to defend an actual crime

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Perhaps, but so what? I just don't get why you think everyone is looking for approval all the time. It's weird.

You mean you cannot understand people want justice within the law?

Hence my point to you whether if this story was true and you basically wanted to brush this under the carpet.

Now that is wierd how you would want to defend an actual crime

Why did you ask me the question if you only wanted an answer which you approved of? You can't force people to agree with you - how many times do you need to be told that?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


You mean you cannot understand people want justice within the law?

Hence my point to you whether if this story was true and you basically wanted to brush this under the carpet.

Now that is wierd how you would want to defend an actual crime

Why did you ask me the question if you only wanted an answer which you approved of? You can't force people to agree with you - how many times do you need to be told that?

Approval?

So you are now against the laws on neglect?

Remeber I said if the story was true????