Christian threats force Muslim convoy to turn back in CAR exodus

Christian threats force Muslim convoy to turn back in CAR exodus
Peacekeepers prevent crammed cars from leaving Bangui for fear of attack, and evidence emerges of village massacre



Thousands of Muslims tried to flee the capital of the Central African Republic (CAR) on Friday, only for their mass convoy of cars and trucks to be turned back as crowds of angry Christians taunted: "We're going to kill you all."

The drama unfolded as Amnesty International said it had uncovered evidence of a fresh massacre in a village where the sole surviving Muslim was an orphaned girl aged about 11, and France said it would send an extra 400 peacekeeping troops.

Some cars were crammed with as many as 10 people as the convoy made its way through Bangui, the second such attempt to escape in a week, the Associated Press reported. Christians gathered along the road to shout abuse and threats.

The convoy was turned back because African peacekeepers feared it would come under attack in some volatile parts of Bangui. The desperate procession was halted in the Miskine neighbourhood, where one vehicle tumbled into a ditch on the side of the road.

On the orders of a Burundian captain, the peacekeepers went from vehicle to vehicle instructing everyone to return to a local mosque, according to an AP journalist at the scene.

Lieutenant Rosana Nsengimana, of the African peacekeeping force known as Misca, said: "The convoy escorted by Burundian forces returned to its departure point because of a problem in a neighbourhood on the north end of the city where the Muslims would have had to pass through."

The neighbourhood in question witnessed fresh fighting on Friday with at least one person killed in a grenade attack by Christian militiamen, according to witnesses at a nearby mosque. French peacekeepers had to rescue two other severely injured people from an baying crowd that had set tyres on fire and was shouting anti-Muslim and anti-French slogans.

Muslims have increasingly been targeted by Christians who took up arms against a mostly Muslim rebel group known as the Seleka, which seized power in a coup a year ago, committing scores of atrocities along the way. The Christian militias, known as the anti-balaka, seem intent on what they perceive as vengeance.

Amnesty has warned that a campaign of ethnic cleansing is causing a Muslim exodus. On Friday Donatella Rovera, a senior crisis adviser at Amnesty, described the scene at a village in the north-west of the country.

"We saw bodies littering the streets," she said. "Several of them had been partially burned. Others had been partly eaten by dogs and other animals. One was the body of a little baby who could not have been more than seven or eight months old. We saw more than 20 bodies but we think that there were several more.

She continued: "All the houses of the Muslim population had been burned or looted and in one of the houses I found a little girl of about 11. She was the only Muslim survivor of the village: the others had either fled or been killed. She was crouching in a corner. She had been hiding there since the day of the massacre. She had not eaten or drunk anything. She was terrified and could not stand at all.

"She said that her father had been killed and her mother had been killed. She was not speaking very much. There had not been any peacekeepers there at all even though this place was a place that had already seen confrontation between anti-balaka and Seleka forces earlier."

The anti-balaka have stepped up their attacks in recent weeks, forcing tens of thousands of Muslims to flee for their lives. Most head to neighbouring Chad, which is predominantly Muslim.

There have been almost daily killings of those who could not escape, their bodies mutilated and dragged through the streets despite the presence of peacekeepers.

Muslims made up about 15% of the CAR's 4.6 million population before the present crisis. Now entire neighbourhoods of Bangui are empty. Only one mosque remains in the town of Yaloke, where previously there had been eight, according to Human Rights Watch. "The anti-balaka militias are increasingly organised and using language that suggests their intent is to eliminate Muslim residents," HRW said this week.

Medecins Sans Frontieres said 1,000 people – mostly Muslim – were in danger in the south-west town of Carnot. "Armed men have announced that they intend to track down and kill all the city's Muslims," it said. "Anyone who hides Muslims is also at risk."

Catherine Samba-Panza, the country's first female leader and a Christian who hopes to reach across the sectarian divide, vowed this week that her administration was "going to go to war against the anti-balaka". She said: "The anti-balaka have lost their sense of mission. They are now the ones who kill, who pillage, who are violent."

But on Thursday Richard Bejouane, the self-proclaimed leader of the militias, warned her not to intervene. "Declaring war on the anti-balaka amounts to declaring war on the Central African population," he told hundreds of militiamen gathered in Bangui. Bejouane claims their ranks number 52,000, including 12,000 in the capital.

International peacekeepers deployed in the country have failed to halt the violence. France said it would send an additional 400 troops to join its existing 1,600-strong force.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/muslim-convoy-central-african-republic-exodus

Damn religion.

What goes around comes around

smelly_bandit wrote:What goes around comes around

Are you a Christian?

This is a rare event in the scheme of things I think it is Christians who are an endangered species in Moslem countries. They just aren't as committed to their religion as Moslems are to Islam in the west. In African countries tribal warfare is as coomon as it ever was the religious labels are incidental.

smelly_bandit wrote:What goes around comes around

And two wrongs make a right do they smelly?

drinky1 wrote:This is a rare event in the scheme of things I think it is Christians who are an endangered species in Moslem countries. They just aren't as committed to their religion as Moslems are to Islam in the west. In African countries tribal warfare is as coomon as it ever was the religious labels are incidental.

Such a rare event that genocide was committed against them in Bosnia.

Sassy wrote:

drinky1 wrote:This is a rare event in the scheme of things I think it is Christians who are an endangered species in Moslem countries. They just aren't as committed to their religion as Moslems are to Islam in the west. In African countries tribal warfare is as coomon as it ever was the religious labels are incidental.

Such a rare event that genocide was committed against them in Bosnia.  

A fair point but Islam is making enemies the world over or elements within Islam. I might add it is very difficult to be an evangelical Christian in a Moslem country trying to convert someone can mean the death penalty. I don't think Christians regard evangelical Moslems in the same way.

I think there is far more violence against Muslims than is even considered. I don't play down in any way the violence against Christians, but what Christian country have we invaded for example and killed hundreds and thousands of it's women and children. Not something that Christians have to deal with.

Are you on about the crusades??? I'm presuming not so you mean Iraq and Afghanistan. I agree both were a mistake but in hindsight, at the time I thought it right as Tony Blair did.

That said we face a real threat from Al Queda a threat made worse by Saud Arabia who promote a particularly nasty form of Islam IMO.

They are providing funds which get used to radicalise Moslems don't you think.
Back to the topic though we didn't attack Iraq because we were a Christian country we attacked because Saddam was pretending he had WMD,

Well I didn't and marched against it. We attacked Iraq because George Bush wanted it,

Phoenix wrote:Are you on about the crusades??? I'm presuming not so you mean Iraq and Afghanistan. I agree both were a mistake but in hindsight, at the time I thought it right as Tony Blair did.

That said we face a real  threat from Al Queda a threat made worse by Saud Arabia who promote a particularly nasty form of Islam IMO.

They are providing funds which get used to radicalise Moslems don't you think.
Back to the topic though we didn't attack Iraq because we were a Christian country we attacked because Saddam was pretending he had WMD,

LOLZ
Christians were still fucking up natives peopels Until the 1960's Millions of people have suffered in the name of Christ in the 1900's alone. and 1800's were worse.

Sensible people have JUST as much reason to dislike Christians and Muslims. Both are pure Evil to any non-monthiest, fire or stones both of you Murder us just the same.      

eddie wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:What goes around comes around

And two wrongs make a right do they smelly?

the worlds not perfect and im not a ten year old child being taught morality

so yes sometimes they do

Sassy wrote:

drinky1 wrote:This is a rare event in the scheme of things I think it is Christians who are an endangered species in Moslem countries. They just aren't as committed to their religion as Moslems are to Islam in the west. In African countries tribal warfare is as coomon as it ever was the religious labels are incidental.

Such a rare event that genocide was committed against them in Bosnia.  

and stopped by christian countries

and how many genocides have Muslims committed and still commit??

the Coptic Christians are being wiped out

the christian communities in Iraq have all but disappeared

spare me you tears for a few dead muslims

Sassy wrote:Well I didn't and marched against it.   We attacked Iraq because George Bush wanted it,

WMDs

Phoenix wrote:...we attacked because Saddam was pretending he had WMD,

That is rich, drinky.  It wasn't a Cheney lie, it was a Saddam pretense.  So...you mean Cheney never had to start those lies about yellow cake and Nigeria??  He never had to link Saddam to 9/11?  He never had to allege the Khan arms network?  http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/10/ale04059.html  And, Cheney never claimed the evidence that al Qaeda had a relationship with Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq was "overwhelming?"  And Cheney never actually had to go "on Meet the Press in 2002 to tell us about those ominous aluminum tubes and the 'number of contacts over the years' between Al Qaeda and Iraq... or his repeated designed-to-terrify-voters warnings about nuclear attacks on US soil." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/when-will-dick-cheneys-to_b_210627.html

It's a relief to know that it was all promulgated by Saddam's boasts. But...err...what was Chaney going on about, then?

smelly_bandit wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Such a rare event that genocide was committed against them in Bosnia.  

and stopped by christian countries

and how many genocides have Muslims committed and still commit??

the Coptic Christians are being wiped out

the christian communities in Iraq have all but disappeared

spare me you tears for a few dead muslims

So basically your argument is to blame people by association, no matter if they are innocent victims?

And people wonder why conflicts continue with that absurd logic.


Last I read there were over 7 million Coptic Christians in Egypt and yes there is persecution by some extreme groups all wrong, that though does not make any persecution of of any innocent Muslims right, as any persecution to any group would be wrong.
Basically by your argument you are endorsing any Islamic extremism towards Christians, as they claim the same daft logic as you claiming it is the Christian west persecuting them. You have also endorsed Blacks under Apartheid to also commit wrongs back such logic, being as they were persecuted, strange how your logic comes back to hit you in your own face

As I said extremists seem to think exactly the same views, funny that

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

and stopped by christian countries

and how many genocides have Muslims committed and still commit??

the Coptic Christians are being wiped out

the christian communities in Iraq have all but disappeared

spare me you tears for a few dead muslims

So basically your argument is to blame people by association, no matter if they are innocent victims?

And people wonder why conflicts continue with that absurd logic.


Last I read there were over 7 million Coptic Christians in Egypt and yes there is persecution by some extreme groups all wrong, that though does not make any persecution of of any innocent Muslims right, as any persecution to any group would be wrong.
Basically by your argument you are endorsing any Islamic extremism towards Christians, as they claim the same daft logic as you claiming it is the Christian west persecuting them. You have also endorsed Blacks under Apartheid to also commit wrongs back such logic, being as they were persecuted, strange how your logic comes back to hit you in your own face

As I said extremists seem to think exactly the same views, funny that

  

Yep the answer I expected from someone who uses the logic of extremists

 :D 

  

PhilDidge wrote:Yep the answer I expected from someone who uses the logic of extremists

 :D 

 

The current anger towards muslims in CAR is not down to Christians showing religious intolerance but as a back lash to the abuses carried out by the muslims there after seizing power.


"The country descended into chaos when mainly Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, seized power in March 2013.

Abuses by Seleka fighters triggered revenge attacks by Christian militia known as 'anti-balaka', fuelling unprecedented violence between communities that had lived side-by-side."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13150042

Tommy Monk wrote:The current anger towards muslims in CAR is not down to Christians showing religious intolerance but as a back lash to the abuses carried out by the muslims there after seizing power.


"The country descended into chaos when mainly Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, seized power in March 2013.

Abuses by Seleka fighters triggered revenge attacks by Christian militia known as 'anti-balaka', fuelling unprecedented violence between communities that had lived side-by-side."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13150042

Every time Muslims get mussened they generally deserve it

Cause and effect

smelly_bandit wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The current anger towards muslims in CAR is not down to Christians showing religious intolerance but as a back lash to the abuses carried out by the muslims there after seizing power.


"The country descended into chaos when mainly Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, seized power in March 2013.

Abuses by Seleka fighters triggered revenge attacks by Christian militia known as 'anti-balaka', fuelling unprecedented violence between communities that had lived side-by-side."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13150042

Every time Muslims get mussened they generally deserve it

Cause and effect

Bullshit.



They don't deserve to die, asshole.

smelly_bandit wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:The current anger towards muslims in CAR is not down to Christians showing religious intolerance but as a back lash to the abuses carried out by the muslims there after seizing power.


"The country descended into chaos when mainly Muslim rebels, known as Seleka, seized power in March 2013.

Abuses by Seleka fighters triggered revenge attacks by Christian militia known as 'anti-balaka', fuelling unprecedented violence between communities that had lived side-by-side."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13150042

Every time Muslims get mussened they generally deserve it

Cause and effect

Lol
if life was fair and religion got what it deserved they would be no monotheists, Christians would have been wiped out already. By Your logic every Christian deserves all the Hate in the world IF every Muslims deserve the hate because of the actions a few extremists.

Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone...... the followers of Christ are in no position to start throwing rocks. Maybe for a Change you could Follow one of Jesus's Teachings?

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


Every time Muslims get mussened they generally deserve it

Cause and effect

Lol
if life was fair and religion got what it deserved they would be no monotheists, Christians would have been wiped out already. By Your logic every Christian deserves all the Hate in the world IF every Muslims deserve the hate because of the actions a few extremists.

Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone...... the followers of Christ are in no position to start throwing rocks.  Maybe for a Change you could Follow one of Jesus's Teachings?

maybe for a change you could be less emotional and more rational in your replies

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Lol
if life was fair and religion got what it deserved they would be no monotheists, Christians would have been wiped out already. By Your logic every Christian deserves all the Hate in the world IF every Muslims deserve the hate because of the actions a few extremists.

Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone...... the followers of Christ are in no position to start throwing rocks.  Maybe for a Change you could Follow one of Jesus's Teachings?

maybe for a change you could be less emotional and more rational in your replies

I am being rational Chirstians are EVERY BIT A BAD AS MUSLIMS if you take over a long Period Christians ARE FAR WORSE. So IF you feel Muslims Deserve to Die because of a few extermists than Surely you agree that Chrisitans also deserve to die for their extermists.

but of course you are those people that claim to Christian and yet dont even follow the most basic of Christ teachings
"Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone" do you think that is a saying invented by me    Maybe you could follow the teaching of the guy you think is a god!

veya_victaous wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

maybe for a change you could be less emotional and more rational in your replies

I am being rational Chirstians are EVERY BIT A BAD AS MUSLIMS if you take over a long Period Christians ARE FAR WORSE. So IF you feel Muslims Deserve to Die because of a few extermists than Surely you agree that Chrisitans also deserve to die for their extermists.

but of course you are those people that claim to Christian and yet dont even follow the most basic of Christ teachings
"Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone" do you think that is a saying invented by me    Maybe you could follow the teaching of the guy you think is a god!

you're being rational but then come out with "Christians are EVERY BIT A BAD AS MUSLIMS"

followed by

"take over a long Period Christians ARE FAR WORSE"

guess history isn't your forte

@smelly
they are, I will give you the last 100 years the Muslim's have been worse but Even in your home of England Christianity spread at the point of the sword. All the Celtic pagans and followers Saxon gods where killed if they refused to convert.

Over the past 2000 years Christians Have definitely killed FAR more people, the Americas alone probably equals the total for the Muslims

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
they are, I will give you the last 100 years the Muslim's have been worse but Even in your home of England Christianity spread at the point of the sword. All the Celtic pagans and followers Saxon gods where killed if they refused to convert.

Over the past 2000 years Christians Have definitely killed FAR more people, the Americas alone probably equals the total for the Muslims

Yeah us English, what orrible bastards we are, and there ain't no one better at killing.

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
they are, I will give you the last 100 years the Muslim's have been worse but Even in your home of England Christianity spread at the point of the sword. All the Celtic pagans and followers Saxon gods where killed if they refused to convert.

Over the past 2000 years Christians Have definitely killed FAR more people, the Americas alone probably equals the total for the Muslims

Since 9/11, the majority of Americans killed in terrorist attacks were killed by non-Muslims:

http://sites.duke.edu/tcths/

scrat wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
they are, I will give you the last 100 years the Muslim's have been worse but Even in your home of England Christianity spread at the point of the sword. All the Celtic pagans and followers Saxon gods where killed if they refused to convert.

Over the past 2000 years Christians Have definitely killed FAR more people, the Americas alone probably equals the total for the Muslims

Yeah us English, what orrible bastards we are, and there ain't no one better at killing.

huh? Christianity is not a product of England, it was one of the later places in Europe to be fully converted.

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

I am being rational Chirstians are EVERY BIT A BAD AS MUSLIMS if you take over a long Period Christians ARE FAR WORSE. So IF you feel Muslims Deserve to Die because of a few extermists than Surely you agree that Chrisitans also deserve to die for their extermists.

but of course you are those people that claim to Christian and yet dont even follow the most basic of Christ teachings
"Let he who is without sin cast the first Stone" do you think that is a saying invented by me    Maybe you could follow the teaching of the guy you think is a god!

you're being rational but then come out with "Christians are EVERY BIT A BAD AS MUSLIMS"

followed by

"take over a long Period Christians ARE FAR WORSE"

guess history isn't your forte



 

Christians have been far worse over the last 1400 years.

How many continents have Muslim nations fully captured?

None

How many continents fully captured by Christian nations?

3

In the last 3400 years there has only been 250 years of peace in the world, are you claiming the majority of conflicts in this time were majority Muslim

Take yesterday with Arizona where religion still hold sway in some places, they make rules based on religion, which happened for centuries in the west, if the churches still had power, not only would there be discrimination and violence towards minority religions and ethnic groups, but just like in Islamic countries ruled by faith, people are all bound to mythical religious Gobbledygook that enacts laws. The whole point you miss smelly is that the only difference between the west and Islam, is we have taken away the power and control the Christian faiths had. The same will happen in Muslim countries in time

Your logic is so flawed though it is beyond belief and you of any poster I know who makes so many gaffs on history, like even your own home nation where you were not aware Zulu's had firearms i the 19th century as well as many other historical gaffs you have made. Now if you want to list wars, conflicts, genocides, we have to go by the majority faith of the people of a nation and that religions influence. For example the hatred of Jews, was formed from Lutheranism a Christian belief. In fact in the west it was rare to have other faiths for centuries, not the case within Muslim countries being some of the oldest Christian communities, like the Coptic Christians, showing for years, it was the west that was intolerant of other faiths. Now we have seen extremism rise with Muslims, something that needs many Muslims themselves to combat them. 


Religion should just be personal belief, but when religion is behind the laws and main power of a land, as it has done so for centuries countless problems arise.

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
they are, I will give you the last 100 years the Muslim's have been worse but Even in your home of England Christianity spread at the point of the sword. All the Celtic pagans and followers Saxon gods where killed if they refused to convert.

Over the past 2000 years Christians Have definitely killed FAR more people, the Americas alone probably equals the total for the Muslims

and Muslims of course have never spread their religion by the sword nor do they continue to do so.

there is no arguing with a person who has already made up their mind

if you wish to continue to believe your own version of history do so but your version is missing out great chunk of actual history

Oh I forgot to post this for you smelly to further your education, a list of conflicts in Europe going back in time:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
they are, I will give you the last 100 years the Muslim's have been worse but Even in your home of England Christianity spread at the point of the sword. All the Celtic pagans and followers Saxon gods where killed if they refused to convert.

Over the past 2000 years Christians Have definitely killed FAR more people, the Americas alone probably equals the total for the Muslims

and Muslims of course have never spread their religion by the sword nor do they continue to do so.

there is no arguing with a person who has already made up their mind

if you wish to continue to believe your own version of history do so but your version is missing out great chunk of actual history

The huge amount being missed out is by you on not only history but on the religions itself

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


Every time Muslims get mussened they generally deserve it

Cause and effect

Bullshit.



They don't deserve to die, asshole.

what about them??

Fail

Association claim, that now smelly is claiming all Muslims are not innocent by guilt of association to children soldiers even though there are Christian ones 


Now smelly below these children are in the Lords resistance army, who are Christian, so by your failed logic using guilt by association then All Christians are not innocent, is that what you are claiming:

Still not able to grasp my point and ignoring those within Christianity doing the same, what do you think they teach in the Lord Resistance Army about hate to others smelly?


Ideologically, LRA believe in African mysticism and Christian fundamentalism.claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition

How about political movements in the west smelly like Jobbik, who claim to be a radically patriotic Christian party?

Who by the way are very anti semitic, is this far right party right or wrong to you?

You see most of the Christian based parties that are also nationalistic in Europe are as much against Jews as they are against Muslim, being that they are Christian based

I forgot this as well:

Well have a good day people, will be busy so back later but thought I would leave this comedy video to last...

"i used to be a lefty"

"our problem is PR"

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

PhilDidge wrote:Still not able to grasp my point and ignoring those within Christianity doing the same, what do you think they teach in the Lord Resistance Army about hate to others smelly?


Ideologically, LRA believe in African mysticism and Christian fundamentalism.claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition

open you eyes for God's sake , if you are not touched by this cruelty to children then you are not human.

any normal person would be appauled , but not phildidge

Maine coon lover wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Still not able to grasp my point and ignoring those within Christianity doing the same, what do you think they teach in the Lord Resistance Army about hate to others smelly?


Ideologically, LRA believe in African mysticism and Christian fundamentalism.claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and local Acholi tradition

open you eyes for God's sake , if you are not touched by this cruelty to children then you are not human.

any normal person would be appauled , but not phildidge

That is the point any indoctrination of hate to children is wrong, what is being done though is a select view point and if you had bothered to read back I had already stated this to smelly. In other words where is your condemning of when Christians do this, or as seen with links Jewish children indoctrinated?
Now to me all of them are wrong, not just one where it happens, all hate indoctrination to children is wrong, get the picture now, hence not grasping the point?

So I suggest you read through before posting in future, may save you some time

smelly_bandit wrote:"i used to be a lefty"

"our problem is PR"

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

I must admit it was funny, hence why I posted it.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


Every time Muslims get mussened they generally deserve it

Cause and effect

Bullshit.



They don't deserve to die, asshole.

But do they want to , are they being taught the same . Its sad and such beautiful children too

PhilDidge wrote:

Maine coon lover wrote:

open you eyes for God's sake , if you are not touched by this cruelty to children then you are not human.

any normal person would be appauled , but not phildidge

That is the point any indoctrination of hate to children is wrong, what is being done though is a select view point and if you had bothered to read back I had already stated this to smelly. In other words where is your condemning of when Christians do this, or as seen with links Jewish children indoctrinated?
Now to me all of them are wrong, not just one where it happens, all hate indoctrination to children is wrong, get the picture now, hence not grasping the point?

So I suggest you read through before posting in future, may save you some time

I suggest you get your head from out of your own arse   

I would rather see Christian children praising and singing joyfully about how good Jesus is      

smelly_bandit wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@smelly
they are, I will give you the last 100 years the Muslim's have been worse but Even in your home of England Christianity spread at the point of the sword. All the Celtic pagans and followers Saxon gods where killed if they refused to convert.

Over the past 2000 years Christians Have definitely killed FAR more people, the Americas alone probably equals the total for the Muslims

and Muslims of course have never spread their religion by the sword nor do they continue to do so.

there is no arguing with a person who has already made up their mind

if you wish to continue to believe your own version of history do so but your version is missing out great chunk of actual history

Jakarta (AsiaNews) - Late yesterday afternoon, hundreds of armed men, led by local Muslim leaders, stormed and forcibly occupied a plot of land owned by the Indonesian Christian community Huria Kristen Batak Protestan (HKBP). The incident occurred in the village of Talang Kelapa , located in the sub-district of Alang -alang Lebar in the regency of Palembang, South Sumatra province. The raid was motivated by an attempt to build a place of worship. In fact, on February 17 the ceremony of laying the first stone was held, amid protests from local residents. A decision that has created discontent among Muslims, who organized a task force to occupy the land - two acres in all - and to send a strong message to HKBP leaders: churches are not allowed in the area.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/South-Sumatra,-hundreds-of-Islamists-block-the-construction-of-a-Protestant-church-30367.html

Tess. wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

and Muslims of course have never spread their religion by the sword nor do they continue to do so.

there is no arguing with a person who has already made up their mind

if you wish to continue to believe your own version of history do so but your version is missing out great chunk of actual history

Jakarta (AsiaNews) - Late yesterday afternoon, hundreds of armed men, led by local Muslim leaders, stormed and forcibly occupied a plot of land owned by the Indonesian Christian community Huria Kristen Batak Protestan (HKBP). The incident occurred in the village of Talang Kelapa , located in the sub-district of Alang -alang Lebar in the regency of Palembang, South Sumatra province. The raid was motivated by an attempt to build a place of worship.  In fact, on February 17 the ceremony of laying the first stone was held, amid protests from local residents. A decision that has created discontent among Muslims, who organized a task force to occupy the land - two acres in all - and to send a strong message to HKBP leaders: churches are not allowed in the area.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/South-Sumatra,-hundreds-of-Islamists-block-the-construction-of-a-Protestant-church-30367.html

LAHORE:

Sawan Masih told a court hearing a blasphemy case against him on Friday that some businessmen at a steel market near Joseph Colony had hatched a plan to drive out Christian families residing there by alleging blasphemy.

An additional district and sessions judge fixed March 6 for hearing defence evidence and final arguments after recording Masih’s statement.

Masih said Joseph Colony was located next to a steel market. He said some businessmen at the market had been pressing the Christian families residing there to sell their property to them.

He said after the residents declined offers the businessmen hatched a plan to drive them out by alleging blasphemy.

“The warehouse owners were having market committee elections then… two groups, Aman Group and Ittehad Group, were contesting.” He said both groups put up banners accusing him of blaspheming against the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

Masih said announcements were made in the area mosques that “a Christian man had committed blasphemy.”

“They played on religious sentiments of the neighbours… registered a case against me and set the colony on fire.” Masih alleged that the police were also involved in the “conspiracy.”

“Police caused alarm among the Christians who were advised to leave the colony to save their lives.” He said, “The Christian families were leaving Joseph Colony till late into the night on March 8 and on the morning of March 9… They then set the 200 houses on fire. Police had arrested me on the night of March 8.”

Masih said the plot had been hatched to takeover the colony land. The complainant, some of the prosecution witnesses and 83 other people were later charged in cases – FIR 114/13 under Sections 148, 149, 436, 427, ATA 337/F1, L2, 295/A, 353, 377, 324, 186 [rioting, unlawful assembly, mischief by fire or explosive substance, mischief causing damage, assault, attempt to commit qatl-i-amd, and blasphemy] of the PPC. They are under trial in an anti-terrorism court.

Masih denied that he had made derogatory remarks about the Holy Prophet (pbuh). He said he had “deep respect for Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). He said his own beliefs did not allow him to commit blasphemy against any prophet.

Shahid Imran, the complainant, had said that he had been talking to a neighbour Muhammad Shafique, when the accused, Sawan Masih, approached them and used derogatory language against the holy prophet (pbuh).

Imran said he warned Masih to stop but he continued his diatribe. He had filed a complaint at the Badami Bagh police station.

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