'White helmets' - humanitarian heroes or terrorists?

Tommy Monk wrote:Who set up the 'white helmets'...?

Where do they get their funding from...?

And why do they only operate in terrorist controlled areas...?



Still waiting.......

Tommy Monk wrote:Didge said...

'...Well we already debunked that you think they are ISIS, when they do not operate in ISIS areas...'



Maybe dodgy didge can show my post where I said that...!?



I've been asking the same questions since my 2nd post on this thread (which was on Monday nearly a week ago)... and still waiting for someone to answer my questions...!

Tommy Monk wrote:1. If you don't know... and haven't bothered to find out... then you are confirming your ignorance on this subject... and you are therefore not in a position to offer an informed opinion.

2. Says who? Themselves?

3. Israel only did this at the strong request of multiple western govts who are funding and running this terrorist affiliated group. And Israel is not neutral against Syria as they have carried out numerous actions against Syrian govt & forces.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:1. If you don't know... and haven't bothered to find out... then you are confirming your ignorance on this subject... and you are therefore not in a position to offer an informed opinion.

2. Says who? Themselves?

3. Israel only did this at the strong request of multiple western govts who are funding and running this terrorist affiliated group. And Israel is not neutral against Syria as they have carried out numerous actions against Syrian govt & forces.

Didge... You asked me questions at 7.44pm yesterday evening, and I answered at 9.00pm yesterday evening... (see my answers above).


I have been waiting for answers since Monday!!!


And I have been repeatedly asking the same 3 simple questions since Monday!!!


It is blatantly obvious to everyone here that it is you who has failed to answer my questions... and that I have actually answered some of your much later asked questions...!


So for you to be trying to claim the opposite, is completely laughable, and you are just embarrassing yourself more and more, the longer you carry on with this whole charade...!!!


What a twat!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Who set up the 'white helmets'...?

Where do they get their funding from...?

And why do they only operate in terrorist controlled areas...?



Still waiting.......

Tommy Monk wrote:

Still waiting......!

Tommy Monk wrote:Still waiting...

Tommy Monk wrote:I showed where I answered your questions....


Show me where you answered my questions...?


Fact is... you haven't answered my questions...!


And everyone can see you haven't!!!


So stop lying!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Bellend!


Answers can be found here...


https://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/23/exclusive-the-real-syria-civil-defence-expose-natos-white-helmets-as-terrorist-linked-imposters/

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

As with his regular climate denials, and his frequent white supremacy posturings, once again poor li'l Tommykins is falling back onto his beloved extremist propaganda blogsites to support his nonsense and bluster...

Tommy Monk wrote:

The details on the link can be confirmed in a wide range of sources!!!


The answers to my 3 questions are on the link...


Tell me what you think is not true, and we can debate it...!?


Posting up some shit from 'snopes' is not a credible argument about anything!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:

So... what exactly is it that you are claiming is not true...!?


The bit about who founded the 'white helmets'...!?


The bit about where they get their funding from...!?


Or the fact that they only operate in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

So... what exactly is it that you are claiming is not true...!?


The bit about who founded the 'white helmets'...!?


The bit about where they get their funding from...!?


Or the fact that they only operate in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...!?

Didge wrote:Vanessa Beeley is a British blogger who believes the attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was staged, al-Qaeda wasn’t behind the 9/11 attacks and that “Zionists rule France”.

But her real passion is trying to convince the world that the White Helmets, the group that rescues people from the rubble of Syria’s civil war, is a terrorist-linked organisation that fakes its activities to elicit sympathy in the West for a regime change plot against Syrian leader, Bashar al-Assad.

Beeley, 53, is the daughter of the late British diplomat Sir Harold Beeley, and worked in various sales and management roles before turning to activism in 2012.

She would have remained in the fringe world of conspiracy theorists, blogging on alternative news sites and speaking at events alongside holocaust deniers and David Icke if it weren’t for one thing - she, like thousands of other people, became embroiled in a Russian disinformation campaign.

But unlike most, she would take centre stage. In May of 2017 Petr Iliichev, Russia’s Chargé d’Affaires at the UN Security Council, submitted a report containing “information on the work of the White Helmets in Syria”.


The evidence in the document consisted solely of a presentation Beeley had given in London earlier that year.

So why would Russia, a state with extensive intelligence gathering services and boots on the ground in Syria, rely on the word of an unknown British blogger?

Scott Lucas, journalist and Professor of Political Science and International Studies at the University of Birmingham, told HuffPost UK it’s all about how the White Helmets document evidence of possible war crimes.

“One of the things that Russia does is they hit medical sites and civil defence headquarters and they carry out double-tap strikes to target rescuers,” he says.

“So delegitimising the White Helmets does a couple of things - one is it makes them legitimate targets, paradoxically. Because if they die, the Russians can just so ‘they were associated with terrorists anyway’.

“Secondly it tries to hinder the White Helmets in putting out information about the Russian attacks that are taking place.”

Russia intervened in Syria at the behest of the Assad regime in September 2015, and until a year later, the White Helmets do not appear to have been on the radar of Russian authorities.

During this time the group had been documenting and posting the aftermath of Russian attacks in Syria, including “double taps” – where a target would be hit then hit again a few minutes later in order to deliberately target rescue workers.

A HuffPost UK analysis of statements from both Russian representatives at the UN and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, shows the first mention of the White Helmets was made on 20 September 2016 in relation to the bombing of a UN convoy earlier that month.

According to “eyewitnesses” from the White Helmets organisation that operates on militant-controlled territories and which is often quoted by the Western media, air strikes commenced, and some activists reportedly heard the sound of helicopter engines.

Lucas says the Russians then began to search the social media landscape for information about the White Helmets.

Less than a month after Russia first officially mentioned the White Helmets, Vanessa Beeley was, according to her own blog, “invited to Moscow... to report on the illegal NATO state intervention and dirty war on Syria”.

After Beeley’s trip to Moscow, Russia’s references to the White Helmets quickly escalated into full-blown attacks, from alleging the group were faking rescues to killing a child on camera.

There is nothing to suggest Vanessa Beeley is being paid by the Russian state, beyond possible standard appearance fees on state media channels. She has refused multiple interview requests from Huffpost UK.

Professor Lucas says: “It’s even better if the Russians aren’t paying them or putting them up to it because now they’ve got a true believer.”

“What happens next is [Russian state media channels] RT and Sputnik ask them to write something for them. So they’ll push their pieces and put them on their shows and that’s when they start presenting themselves as journalists

At this point it is important to consider the evidence against the White Helmets in the wider context of the Syria conflict.

The aim of a disinformation campaign is the “overarching hope of kicking up a sufficient dust cloud of rumour, speculation, half-truth, conspiracy, and outright lie, to obscure the realities of Russian activities in... Syria” and elsewhere, according to the European Council of Foreign Relations.

This is evidenced in the 20+ explanations the Russian Government and Russian state media has for the recent Skripal poisoning in Salisbury.

The most damning piece of evidence against the White Helmets is a clip of an individual participating in the beating of a Syrian civilian - the only documented crime by a member of the group in seven years of war, for which the man in question was fired.

There is a wealth of documentary evidence of atrocities committed by the Syrian Arab Army - torture, shooting civilians armed only with olive branches and beating confessions out of children.

There’s even a playlist of 120 videos on YouTube.

Despite this, the Syrian Army is lauded by Vanessa Beeley and no criticism of the regime’s alleged crimes is ever aired (although she has acknowledged torture in a leaked private conversation but said “she’s never going to say it publicly”).

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vanessa-beeley-syria-white-helmets_uk_5ad9b6cae4b03c426dad48a9

More to read on the link

Tommy Monk wrote:White Helmets (Syrian Civil War) - Wikipedia
The White Helmets officially known as Syria Civil Defence is a volunteer
organisation that operates in parts of rebel-controlled Syria and in Turkey.
Formed in 2014 during the Syrian Civil War, the majority of their activity in ...

Founder, James Le Mesurier.
Purpose, Civil defense.
Region served. Syrian opposition-controlled areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Helmets_(Syrian_Civil_War)




No wonder dodgy dossier didge has run off...!!!


What a lying weasel he is!!!!!!

Didge wrote:Vanessa Beeley is a British blogger who believes the attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was staged, al-Qaeda wasn’t behind the 9/11 attacks and that “Zionists rule France”.

But her real passion is trying to convince the world that the White Helmets, the group that rescues people from the rubble of Syria’s civil war, is a terrorist-linked organisation that fakes its activities to elicit sympathy in the West for a regime change plot against Syrian leader, Bashar al-Assad.

Beeley, 53, is the daughter of the late British diplomat Sir Harold Beeley, and worked in various sales and management roles before turning to activism in 2012.

She would have remained in the fringe world of conspiracy theorists, blogging on alternative news sites and speaking at events alongside holocaust deniers and David Icke if it weren’t for one thing - she, like thousands of other people, became embroiled in a Russian disinformation campaign.

But unlike most, she would take centre stage. In May of 2017 Petr Iliichev, Russia’s Chargé d’Affaires at the UN Security Council, submitted a report containing “information on the work of the White Helmets in Syria”.


The evidence in the document consisted solely of a presentation Beeley had given in London earlier that year.

So why would Russia, a state with extensive intelligence gathering services and boots on the ground in Syria, rely on the word of an unknown British blogger?

Scott Lucas, journalist and Professor of Political Science and International Studies at the University of Birmingham, told HuffPost UK it’s all about how the White Helmets document evidence of possible war crimes.

“One of the things that Russia does is they hit medical sites and civil defence headquarters and they carry out double-tap strikes to target rescuers,” he says.

“So delegitimising the White Helmets does a couple of things - one is it makes them legitimate targets, paradoxically. Because if they die, the Russians can just so ‘they were associated with terrorists anyway’.

“Secondly it tries to hinder the White Helmets in putting out information about the Russian attacks that are taking place.”

Russia intervened in Syria at the behest of the Assad regime in September 2015, and until a year later, the White Helmets do not appear to have been on the radar of Russian authorities.

During this time the group had been documenting and posting the aftermath of Russian attacks in Syria, including “double taps” – where a target would be hit then hit again a few minutes later in order to deliberately target rescue workers.

A HuffPost UK analysis of statements from both Russian representatives at the UN and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, shows the first mention of the White Helmets was made on 20 September 2016 in relation to the bombing of a UN convoy earlier that month.

According to “eyewitnesses” from the White Helmets organisation that operates on militant-controlled territories and which is often quoted by the Western media, air strikes commenced, and some activists reportedly heard the sound of helicopter engines.

Lucas says the Russians then began to search the social media landscape for information about the White Helmets.

Less than a month after Russia first officially mentioned the White Helmets, Vanessa Beeley was, according to her own blog, “invited to Moscow... to report on the illegal NATO state intervention and dirty war on Syria”.

After Beeley’s trip to Moscow, Russia’s references to the White Helmets quickly escalated into full-blown attacks, from alleging the group were faking rescues to killing a child on camera.

There is nothing to suggest Vanessa Beeley is being paid by the Russian state, beyond possible standard appearance fees on state media channels. She has refused multiple interview requests from Huffpost UK.

Professor Lucas says: “It’s even better if the Russians aren’t paying them or putting them up to it because now they’ve got a true believer.”

“What happens next is [Russian state media channels] RT and Sputnik ask them to write something for them. So they’ll push their pieces and put them on their shows and that’s when they start presenting themselves as journalists

At this point it is important to consider the evidence against the White Helmets in the wider context of the Syria conflict.

The aim of a disinformation campaign is the “overarching hope of kicking up a sufficient dust cloud of rumour, speculation, half-truth, conspiracy, and outright lie, to obscure the realities of Russian activities in... Syria” and elsewhere, according to the European Council of Foreign Relations.

This is evidenced in the 20+ explanations the Russian Government and Russian state media has for the recent Skripal poisoning in Salisbury.

The most damning piece of evidence against the White Helmets is a clip of an individual participating in the beating of a Syrian civilian - the only documented crime by a member of the group in seven years of war, for which the man in question was fired.

There is a wealth of documentary evidence of atrocities committed by the Syrian Arab Army - torture, shooting civilians armed only with olive branches and beating confessions out of children.

There’s even a playlist of 120 videos on YouTube.

Despite this, the Syrian Army is lauded by Vanessa Beeley and no criticism of the regime’s alleged crimes is ever aired (although she has acknowledged torture in a leaked private conversation but said “she’s never going to say it publicly”).

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vanessa-beeley-syria-white-helmets_uk_5ad9b6cae4b03c426dad48a9

More to read on the link

Didge wrote:Vanessa Beeley is a British blogger who believes the attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was staged, al-Qaeda wasn’t behind the 9/11 attacks and that “Zionists rule France”.

But her real passion is trying to convince the world that the White Helmets, the group that rescues people from the rubble of Syria’s civil war, is a terrorist-linked organisation that fakes its activities to elicit sympathy in the West for a regime change plot against Syrian leader, Bashar al-Assad.

Beeley, 53, is the daughter of the late British diplomat Sir Harold Beeley, and worked in various sales and management roles before turning to activism in 2012.

She would have remained in the fringe world of conspiracy theorists, blogging on alternative news sites and speaking at events alongside holocaust deniers and David Icke if it weren’t for one thing - she, like thousands of other people, became embroiled in a Russian disinformation campaign.

But unlike most, she would take centre stage. In May of 2017 Petr Iliichev, Russia’s Chargé d’Affaires at the UN Security Council, submitted a report containing “information on the work of the White Helmets in Syria”.


The evidence in the document consisted solely of a presentation Beeley had given in London earlier that year.

So why would Russia, a state with extensive intelligence gathering services and boots on the ground in Syria, rely on the word of an unknown British blogger?

Scott Lucas, journalist and Professor of Political Science and International Studies at the University of Birmingham, told HuffPost UK it’s all about how the White Helmets document evidence of possible war crimes.

“One of the things that Russia does is they hit medical sites and civil defence headquarters and they carry out double-tap strikes to target rescuers,” he says.

“So delegitimising the White Helmets does a couple of things - one is it makes them legitimate targets, paradoxically. Because if they die, the Russians can just so ‘they were associated with terrorists anyway’.

“Secondly it tries to hinder the White Helmets in putting out information about the Russian attacks that are taking place.”

Russia intervened in Syria at the behest of the Assad regime in September 2015, and until a year later, the White Helmets do not appear to have been on the radar of Russian authorities.

During this time the group had been documenting and posting the aftermath of Russian attacks in Syria, including “double taps” – where a target would be hit then hit again a few minutes later in order to deliberately target rescue workers.

A HuffPost UK analysis of statements from both Russian representatives at the UN and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, shows the first mention of the White Helmets was made on 20 September 2016 in relation to the bombing of a UN convoy earlier that month.

According to “eyewitnesses” from the White Helmets organisation that operates on militant-controlled territories and which is often quoted by the Western media, air strikes commenced, and some activists reportedly heard the sound of helicopter engines.

Lucas says the Russians then began to search the social media landscape for information about the White Helmets.

Less than a month after Russia first officially mentioned the White Helmets, Vanessa Beeley was, according to her own blog, “invited to Moscow... to report on the illegal NATO state intervention and dirty war on Syria”.

After Beeley’s trip to Moscow, Russia’s references to the White Helmets quickly escalated into full-blown attacks, from alleging the group were faking rescues to killing a child on camera.

There is nothing to suggest Vanessa Beeley is being paid by the Russian state, beyond possible standard appearance fees on state media channels. She has refused multiple interview requests from Huffpost UK.

Professor Lucas says: “It’s even better if the Russians aren’t paying them or putting them up to it because now they’ve got a true believer.”

“What happens next is [Russian state media channels] RT and Sputnik ask them to write something for them. So they’ll push their pieces and put them on their shows and that’s when they start presenting themselves as journalists

At this point it is important to consider the evidence against the White Helmets in the wider context of the Syria conflict.

The aim of a disinformation campaign is the “overarching hope of kicking up a sufficient dust cloud of rumour, speculation, half-truth, conspiracy, and outright lie, to obscure the realities of Russian activities in... Syria” and elsewhere, according to the European Council of Foreign Relations.

This is evidenced in the 20+ explanations the Russian Government and Russian state media has for the recent Skripal poisoning in Salisbury.

The most damning piece of evidence against the White Helmets is a clip of an individual participating in the beating of a Syrian civilian - the only documented crime by a member of the group in seven years of war, for which the man in question was fired.

There is a wealth of documentary evidence of atrocities committed by the Syrian Arab Army - torture, shooting civilians armed only with olive branches and beating confessions out of children.

There’s even a playlist of 120 videos on YouTube.

Despite this, the Syrian Army is lauded by Vanessa Beeley and no criticism of the regime’s alleged crimes is ever aired (although she has acknowledged torture in a leaked private conversation but said “she’s never going to say it publicly”).

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vanessa-beeley-syria-white-helmets_uk_5ad9b6cae4b03c426dad48a9

More to read on the link

Tommy Monk wrote:The article gave answers to my questions that you have been avoiding since last Monday... that is all I wanted to show...!


And confirmed by the wikipedia link I also posted...!!!


There are countless reputable sources for the information I have been asking, and you have been avoiding answering...!!!



But you seem to be trying to disagree with the facts I have presented... please explain what you think is wrong...!?


Are you saying that the 'white helmets' weren't founded by British military intelligence officer James Le Mesurier...?

Are you saying that they don't get tens of millions in funding from western govts...?

Or are you saying that they don't only operate in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...?

Didge wrote:Vanessa Beeley is a British blogger who believes the attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo was staged, al-Qaeda wasn’t behind the 9/11 attacks and that “Zionists rule France”.

But her real passion is trying to convince the world that the White Helmets, the group that rescues people from the rubble of Syria’s civil war, is a terrorist-linked organisation that fakes its activities to elicit sympathy in the West for a regime change plot against Syrian leader, Bashar al-Assad.

Beeley, 53, is the daughter of the late British diplomat Sir Harold Beeley, and worked in various sales and management roles before turning to activism in 2012.

She would have remained in the fringe world of conspiracy theorists, blogging on alternative news sites and speaking at events alongside holocaust deniers and David Icke if it weren’t for one thing - she, like thousands of other people, became embroiled in a Russian disinformation campaign.

But unlike most, she would take centre stage. In May of 2017 Petr Iliichev, Russia’s Chargé d’Affaires at the UN Security Council, submitted a report containing “information on the work of the White Helmets in Syria”.


The evidence in the document consisted solely of a presentation Beeley had given in London earlier that year.

So why would Russia, a state with extensive intelligence gathering services and boots on the ground in Syria, rely on the word of an unknown British blogger?

Scott Lucas, journalist and Professor of Political Science and International Studies at the University of Birmingham, told HuffPost UK it’s all about how the White Helmets document evidence of possible war crimes.

“One of the things that Russia does is they hit medical sites and civil defence headquarters and they carry out double-tap strikes to target rescuers,” he says.

“So delegitimising the White Helmets does a couple of things - one is it makes them legitimate targets, paradoxically. Because if they die, the Russians can just so ‘they were associated with terrorists anyway’.

“Secondly it tries to hinder the White Helmets in putting out information about the Russian attacks that are taking place.”

Russia intervened in Syria at the behest of the Assad regime in September 2015, and until a year later, the White Helmets do not appear to have been on the radar of Russian authorities.

During this time the group had been documenting and posting the aftermath of Russian attacks in Syria, including “double taps” – where a target would be hit then hit again a few minutes later in order to deliberately target rescue workers.

A HuffPost UK analysis of statements from both Russian representatives at the UN and the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, shows the first mention of the White Helmets was made on 20 September 2016 in relation to the bombing of a UN convoy earlier that month.

According to “eyewitnesses” from the White Helmets organisation that operates on militant-controlled territories and which is often quoted by the Western media, air strikes commenced, and some activists reportedly heard the sound of helicopter engines.

Lucas says the Russians then began to search the social media landscape for information about the White Helmets.

Less than a month after Russia first officially mentioned the White Helmets, Vanessa Beeley was, according to her own blog, “invited to Moscow... to report on the illegal NATO state intervention and dirty war on Syria”.

After Beeley’s trip to Moscow, Russia’s references to the White Helmets quickly escalated into full-blown attacks, from alleging the group were faking rescues to killing a child on camera.

There is nothing to suggest Vanessa Beeley is being paid by the Russian state, beyond possible standard appearance fees on state media channels. She has refused multiple interview requests from Huffpost UK.

Professor Lucas says: “It’s even better if the Russians aren’t paying them or putting them up to it because now they’ve got a true believer.”

“What happens next is [Russian state media channels] RT and Sputnik ask them to write something for them. So they’ll push their pieces and put them on their shows and that’s when they start presenting themselves as journalists

At this point it is important to consider the evidence against the White Helmets in the wider context of the Syria conflict.

The aim of a disinformation campaign is the “overarching hope of kicking up a sufficient dust cloud of rumour, speculation, half-truth, conspiracy, and outright lie, to obscure the realities of Russian activities in... Syria” and elsewhere, according to the European Council of Foreign Relations.

This is evidenced in the 20+ explanations the Russian Government and Russian state media has for the recent Skripal poisoning in Salisbury.

The most damning piece of evidence against the White Helmets is a clip of an individual participating in the beating of a Syrian civilian - the only documented crime by a member of the group in seven years of war, for which the man in question was fired.

There is a wealth of documentary evidence of atrocities committed by the Syrian Arab Army - torture, shooting civilians armed only with olive branches and beating confessions out of children.

There’s even a playlist of 120 videos on YouTube.

Despite this, the Syrian Army is lauded by Vanessa Beeley and no criticism of the regime’s alleged crimes is ever aired (although she has acknowledged torture in a leaked private conversation but said “she’s never going to say it publicly”).

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/vanessa-beeley-syria-white-helmets_uk_5ad9b6cae4b03c426dad48a9

More to read on the link

Tommy Monk wrote:

Are you saying that the 'white helmets' weren't founded by British military intelligence officer James Le Mesurier...?

Didge wrote:What relevance does that known knowledge have to her unfounded accusations against the White Helmets?

Where is the corroborating evidence for many of her accusations against the White Helmets?

Are you saying that they don't get tens of millions in funding from western govts...?

Didge wrote:What relevance does that known knowledge have to her undounded accusations against the White Helmets?

Where is the corroborating evidence for many of accusations against the White Helmets?

Or are you saying that they don't only operate in terrorist controlled areas of Syria...?

Tommy Monk wrote:You idiot!!!


White helmets have been filmed celebrating with terrorists waving their black jihadi flags!!!


Try doing a bit of research on a topic before trying to talk about it!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Another example is where terrorists were filmed executing a male prisoner by shooting him in the back of his head while he was forced to kneel in front of them (a war crime)... then very soon after the white helmets took away the body...!!!


They were formed in Turkey by Le Murisier, a former British Intel officer with links to other dubious mercenary organisations, all funded by western govts, and the white helmets only operate in terrorist controlled areas in Syria...!!!


Give it up dodge... everyone knows what they're up to...!