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Former GOP Candidate Arrested For Mailing Pipe Bomb, Bullet To Political Enemies
Eric Krieg — a former Republican candidate for office in Lake County, Indiana — allegedly sent a pipe bomb that injured a postal employee.

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WASHINGTON ― A former Republican political candidate in Indiana who authored a right-wing blog was arrested this week for allegedly mailing a pipe bomb and a threatening letter containing a bullet to two of his political opponents. The pipe bomb exploded at a post office, leaving a pregnant postal worker with “cuts, abrasions and bruises to her head, legs, and feet.”

Eric Krieg, a 45-year-old resident of the city of Munster, was charged with knowing possession of a destructive device and transporting explosive materials. He was arrested on Thursday after the FBI executed search warrants at his residence, his work and on his vehicle. The Justice Department put out a straightforward press release about Krieg’s arrest, but a FBI agent’s affidavit offered a lot more of an interesting backstory.

The package containing a pipe bomb that exploded at a post office in East Chicago, Indiana, on Sept. 6 had been addressed to an attorney who the feds labeled “Victim 1.” The lawyer had represented a person who filed a defamation lawsuit against Krieg that was settled for around $60,000, which led Krieg to declare bankruptcy, according to the feds.

The feds say Krieg was a blogger who went by the nickname “buzzcut” and wrote a blog, “Blue County in a Red State,” which is no longer active. The blog’s tagline said it was about “Life in the most corrupt county in America: Lake County, Indiana.” But Krieg, who was described by a local columnist as “the unofficial mud-thrower of the Lake County Republican Party,” has run for county council and as country surveyor in Lake County.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/eric-krieg-pipe-bomb-gop-indiana_us_59e0fe00e4b03a7be5806399


Jason Schaefer: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

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A 26-year-old Portland detonated an explosive device inside his SUV during a traffic stop Wednesday night, seriously injuring himself and also wounding a Washington County Sheriff’s deputy, authorities said.

The sheriff’s office and the FBI were serving a search warrant at the apartment of Jason Schaefer to look for explosive materials when he arrived at home and drove off, KOIN-TV reports. Schaefer was already on probation after pleading guilty to being a felon in possession of body armor in May.

A deputy spotted Schaefer’s SUV and pursued him out of the apartment complex. Schaefer came to a stop because of traffic after a brief chase, police said. As the detective approached his SUV, Schaefer detonated the small device, causing a “significant blast,” Sergeant Bob Ray told reporters.

Schaefer was seriously wounded, with injuries mostly to his appendages, Ray said. He remained hospitalized Wednesday night. The deputy was taken to the hospital with minor injuries and has since been released.

“It could have been much much worse,” Ray said. “It’s bad enough as it is, you have a couple people that fortunately it didn’t end up worse than it did turn out.”

Here’s what you need to know:
1. A Witness Says There Was a ‘Real Loud Bang’ & Then He Saw a ‘Guy Leaning Out of the Car With Blood’

FBI agents, with the help of Washington County Sheriff’s deputies, were serving a federal search warrant at Jason Paul Schaefer’s 18840 NW Rock Creek Circle apartment complex when the incident occurred, the Beth Anne Steele, a spokesperson for the FBI’s Portland Office, said in a news release.

“At approximately 3:56 p.m., FBI task force officers with Washington County Sheriff’s Office and Oregon State Police attempted a traffic stop near NW 185th Avenue and NW Rock Creek Boulevard. The driver, believed to be the resident of the apartment being searched, did not stop,” Steele said. “A brief pursuit began, but ended quickly. There appeared to be a small explosion inside the vehicle. The suspect exited the vehicle, and officers took him into custody for a probation violation. Investigators and prosecutors will determine any other possible charges in the future.”

The explosion occurred in heavy traffic and near Schaefer’s apartment complex in Rock Creek, and not far from a park, according to KOIN-TV.

“Heard the cops screaming and yelling, ‘get out the car! Get out the car!’ and shortly after a real loud noise,” Derrick Gonzalez told KOIN. “Saw that there was a guy leaning out of the car with blood.”

A man who saw the incident told the news station he had stopped to watch the action with his daughter and hit the ground with her when the bang was heard.

Another witness captured the moment of the explosion on video. Deputies can be seen with their guns drawn near the SUV, and one is approaching the window when the blast occurs:

“A Washington County Sheriff’s Deputy who was approaching the vehicle as the explosion occurred has been transferred to a local hospital for evaluation. The suspect was also transferred to a local hospital for evaluation,” Steele said. “At this time, there is no known threat to public safety.”

Sergeant Bob Ray, a spokesman for the sheriff’s office, told reporters they were looking for Schaefer, who was a “person they were interested in,” while the search warrant was being executed.

“At which point detectives did see the subject in question, Mr. Schaefer, did drive by the area,” Ray said. “They attempted to stop him in his vehicle, he took off, but he got stalled up in traffic here shortly after he took off here from the detectives.”

Police have not said what kind of explosive device Schaefer detonated, but said he had to light it to set it off. Ray said no shots were fired during the incident, Schaefer’s only injuries came from the blast. He said the deputies had to pull Schaefer out of the SUV after the explosion, which was a dangerous operation because of the concern about other devices being in the vehicle.

Ray said deputies were assisting the FBI in serving the warrant.

“Obviously this is a very hazardous occupation, it’s one that we do take very seriously, we do receive extensive training and we’ve already thought about the scenarios before they actually happen, so it’s not a surprise to us when something tragic or unplanned does happen,” Ray said. “It’s one of those situations that again we did it the best we could as far as maintaining safety for everyone.”

The injured deputy suffered some hearing loss and is expected to take a few days off, police said.

2. The FBI Says He Bought ‘Numerous Items That Were Causing Concern, Including Pound of Hexamine, a Material Often Used in Sucicide Bombings

According to a bench warrant that was issued for Schaefer on October 11, the FBI learned in September that he was buying “numerous items that were causing concern,” KOIN-TV reports. Those items includes explosive liquid, remotes to remotely set off fireworks, more than 100 electric matches and at least a pound of hexamine, a material that is used to make home-made explosives, including those frequently used in suicide bombings, the news station reports.

The FBI said they had probable cause to arrest him on a charge of being a felon in possession of explosives, a violation of his probation.

The search warrant for Schaefer’s apartment was approved by a federal judge on Tuesday, KGW-TV reports. Schaefer was brought to the probation department that day to be interviewed by agents, but the news station reports he stormed out of the interview and his whereabouts were unknown until Wednesday.

Schaefer was arrested in April and charged with being a felon in possession of body armor. He pleaded guilty to the class C felony in May and was sentenced to 18 months of supervised probation. Details of the previous felony on his record were not immediately available.

A neighbor wrote on Schaefer’s Facebook page, “The guy lived in my apartment complex here at Rock Creek 185. I never spoken to him but would always see him on the bus or at the store and I sometime saw him with a guitar on his back. He was always alone too but I figured maybe he was the loner singer/songwriter type. Never would have thought he’d be into explosives … Whatever he was making in that apartment of his or whatever his intentions were I don’t know, but he put a lot of people in harms way, especially those that lived next door to him. I’m curious to know what his motives were.”

3. He Posted on Facebook About Considering Going to a High School to Sell Fireworks & Cigarettes &
Using Smoke Grenades to Escape If Caught

Schaefer had recently posted on Facebook, possibly as a joke, about selling fireworks at a high school.

“I am considering, going to a high school after classes, opening by back door with a fireworks sign, and sell mini, tiny fireworks and cigarettes. I don’t know if someone should stop me, I’ll make smoke grenades during getaway,” Schaefer wrote on October 6.

Schaefer posted on Facebook multiple times on Wednesday, while police were attempting to locate him. At 11:48 a.m. he wrote, “Love downtown….” An hour later he wrote, “To be anybody, is not to be,” followed by, “To bear no resposibility (sic),” 20 minutes after that.

On October 10, he wrote, “If all the world just gave to North Korea…,” and the day before he said, “America’s greatest export is laughter.”

A Facebook friend replied with a graphic of an explosion, and said “America’s greatest export is this.”

Schaefer replied, “It is an export,” and his friend said, “Blacks in America Time Bomb,” and Schaefer replied, “There are always time bombs in america.”

He also got into a conversation about atheism:

I don’t think I can explain. My thoughts on atheism surround creationism, the laws of physics according to Stephen Hawking, and a practice or existence to “step away” from that which you were, yesterday. Anything or everything you were, to be non existent unto what are today…. Choice and consideration into every minute of every day, never accepting a loss in the possibilities. In this schematics we as humans and people are objects. This schematics could be considered atheist, as it does not involve a God. It does involve something greater than ourselves, in it’s relation to physics, and is subjective, allows for human emotions, in acceptance of a religious model called creationism.

One of the laws of physics is that you and I have no choice, that every event that ever happens including myself typing these words, happens exactly as it is supposed to. Because it is supposed to, is not to say that any event is predetermined or has a determined following event.

On October 6, he wrote, “I just solved the energy crisis. I’m on it’s tail, we can’t see it today, and it is as a good as solved.” Three days earlier he said, “Work hard, and be happy and proud. Say I’m sorry, and don’t die wondering.”

Along with his profile photo, his only other public photo is a meme about DMT, a psychedelic drug:

On May 12, he wrote, “There are no alchemists THAT WE KNOW OF.”

On Tuesday, not long after running from his interview with federal agents, Schaefer wrote a five-star review on Elon Musk’s Facebook page, saying, “It’s his existence that’s awe inspiring, to me. The way the dude ‘operates.'”

4. He Was Charged With Domestic Violence in 2013 When His Then-Wife Accused Him of Choking Her During an Outburst Caused by His Mental Illness

Jason Schaefer is originally from Buffalo, New York, according to his Facebook page. Public records show he grew up in Clarence Center, New York. It is not clear how long he has been living in Portland. He says on Facebook that he is “self-employed.”

Schaefer was arrested on May 22, 2013, in Orlando, Florida, on felony domestic violence charges in connection to an incident with his then-wife, according to Orange County court records obtained by Heavy. The district attorney declined to prosecute the case in July 2013.

According to court documents, Schaefer’s wife said she was sitting on the sofa in their apartment when he walked over to her and suddenly “attacked” her, placing his hand around her throat, and began choking her for “a good minute.” She said police Schaefer told her he wanted to kill her. He then told the victim to get out of the apartment and “dragged” her from the sofa by her hair to the door, police said. He “slammed” her head against the door and pushed her out of the apartment without her shoes, the woman told police.

Schaefer also tried to pull out a peripherally inserted central catheter, or PICC line, that she had inserted into her right arm for medical treatment, according to court documents. The woman told police she tried to call 911, but Schaefer took away the phone.

The woman said she ran barefoot to the nearby Pasadena Treatment Center, where she tried to make contact with her counselor. An officer was called to the center, and he said the victim was crying and upset. She looked disheveled, but did not have any injuries and declined medical treatment, the officer said.

A witness told police that the victim burst into the treatment center, “hysterically crying” and saying her husband had choked her. The witness said she looked “disheveled and the bandage on her arm was ripped off.” The witness said the victim told her that she had a disagreement with her husband over TV shows.

“The victim stated the defendant became verbally abusive about her appearance. The witness stated the victim had difficulty communicating because she was crying,” according to court documents.

The woman told police that Schaefer has been diagnosed with a mental illness and his medication was not right, according to court documents. Police did not specify what that illness is.

He was charged with domestic battery by strangulation, a third-degree felony, and tampering with a witness by hindering communication to police, also a third-degree felony. The court issued an order barring him from contacting the victim, a woman. He was released from custody on $5,150 bail after spending five days in jail. It is not clear why the district attorney declined to pursue the case.

He has a felony record, leading to the conviction for possessing body armor as a felon, but no information about that case was available Wednesday. Oregon court records did not show any previous arrests.

Few other details about Schaefer, including why he was possibly purchasing explosive materials, were available Wednesday. Federal court documents related to his case were sealed, authorities said.

5. Schaefer, Who Could Lose His Fingers or His Whole Hand, Remains in the Hospital

Jason P. Schaefer remained hospitalized Thursday morning, but was expected to be taken to the Washington County jail on a probation violation when released. Police said he could lose his fingers and possibly his hand, but did not suffer life-threatening injuries, the FBI said.

Washington County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Bob Ray said the bomb squad was brought out to the scene to make sure Schaefer’s vehicle was safe and there were no more improvised explosive devices inside.

“We’re going to be out here for quite some time tonight,” Ray said. “Right now it’s still the initial phase of this investigation. Our violent crimes detectives are on scene, and they’re going to be conducting this investigation for several more hours tonight.”

Ray said 185th Avenue was closed between Bronson and Rock Creek, “which is a major thoroughfare.” Ray asked drivers to be “patient” and find another way around.

Schaefer’s attorney in his previous case could not be reached for comment Wednesday.

Further charges are expected to be filed at a later date, including federal explosives charges. The FBI search warrant remains sealed, according to authorities.

“Partner agencies involved in today’s search included Portland Police Bureau; Metropolitan Explosive Disposal Unit (MEDU); Oregon State Police; Washington County Sheriff’s Office; Tualatin Valley Fire and Rescue; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; the Environmental Protection Agency; and Washington County Animal Control,” the FBI said.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/jason-schaefer-portland-explosion-photos-facebook/




Man suspected of planting airport bomb 'wanted to start a war on US soil'

Michael Christopher Estes tells FBI agents that he put nails in the device


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A man suspected of planting a bomb at an airport in North Carolina was preparing to “fight a war on US soil”, the FBI has said.

Michael Christopher Estes was arrested after an unexploded device was found at Asheville Regional Airport on Friday morning.

The FBI’s criminal complaint states that Mr Estes admitted planting the bomb, which tests revealed contained Ammonium Nitrate, an explosive often used in terrorist attack

Sterno, a form of jellied alcohol, was used as the fuel source,

Mr Estes used a rigged an alarm clock, set for 6am, to strike matches that would have set it alight, the complaint states.

The 46-year-old told investigators he bought materials from a Walmart supermarket and admitted putting nails in the device.

Airport security discovered the bomb after a sniffer dog approached the device and “signalled the presence of an explosive material”.

Video footage captured Mr Estes walking into the airport in the early hours of 6 October, wearing black clothing, a black baseball cap and carrying a bag.

He was later seen leaving the airport without the bag.

After an airport worker reported seeing a man walk out of a woods across the street and into the airport, authorities searching among the trees found a rucksack that has been bought using a membership number assigned to Mr Estes.

He was arrested the following day.

Mr Estes has been charged with attempted malicious use of explosive materials and unlawful possession of explosive materials in an airport.

He told investigators that “he did not actually set the alarm clock” that would have triggered the explosion. It is unclear why.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/airport-bomb-north-carolina-suspect-war-us-soil-michael-christopher-estes-asheville-regional-airport-a7996306.html

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:13 pm

Great post Sassy, but I fear most of it will fall on deaf ears or be panned by the alt right postwrs on here.
Truth is terrorists are terrorists whether they are far left , far right, AQ, IS, IRA, UDA, KKK, Britain First.
There will be many who will refuse to condemn those listed, because they do not have brown skin and are probably Christian.
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Angry Andy wrote:Great post Sassy, but I fear most of it will fall on deaf ears or be panned by the alt right postwrs on here.
Truth is terrorists are terrorists whether they are far left , far right, AQ, IS, IRA, UDA, KKK, Britain First.
There will be many who will refuse to condemn those listed, because  they do not have brown skin and are probably Christian.


Why do you think people would not actually talk much about these 3 terrorists Andy

I am thankful the authorities have all 3, where again it shows that the US for decades has suffered Far Right terrorism. That we simple do not see comparable to in the West. Of course one such terrorist attack does stand out in Europe from Brevik. That had people non stop talking over and rightly so.

So why do you think that event was talked about constantly and these 3 terrorists will not.

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Post by Vintage Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:32 pm

'coming out of our ears' - seriously? Hardly what I'd call a murderous wave of white terrorists although I have to say one is more than enough whatever colour/religion/ideology. Trying a bit too hard to even the score me thinks.

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:04 pm

Their actions will be downplayed on here by those who would naturally support their political stance, but probably not to the extent of actually condoning their actions.
A muted, vaguely embarrassed silence may be the best we can expect of certain individuals.
But if they had brown skin or held a Koran, all hell would break loose.
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:04 pm

Vintage wrote:'coming out of our ears' - seriously? Hardly what I'd call a murderous wave of white terrorists although I have to say one is more than enough whatever colour/religion/ideology. Trying a bit too hard to even the score me thinks.


That is because the left are not posting stories like this based on how bad such an attempted terrorist attack is. They are doing this to attempt to down play the reality of countless Islamic terrorist attacks. Through some really warped belief. That Far Right Terrorism in the US is comparable to the danger of Global Islamic terrorism. Ignoring that both are a threat, but that one is a Domestic threat in some countries, but the other is a major threat to many Democracies and also Muslim majority countries.

I mean look at the headline used in this thread.

The word "white" was invoked, based on the reality, all 3 were white Americans

The Phrase "Far Right terrorists coming out of our ears" was not used. It was the word "white" used, where if someone had said "Black terrorists coming out of ears" Or "Asian terrorists coming out of our ears". The person who made this title, would be screaming racism and yet does the exact same of those racist minded making this a racial view point.

Go figure

Racism is wrong and to state the invented concept of the Colour labels we use, is posting this from a racial prejudice mindset. It was not posted, as it should have been about the threat of the Far Right. It was made racially instead. Where someone is clearly trying to conflate what people believe next to how people are born. That being born is what we class as white, makes them the default for being a terrorist. Not the beliefs that wil be driving them cause.

This is the problem with the regressive Left. Its like they are waiting and hoping, there will be a horrific terrorist attack by a Far Right White extremists. With the view, this can deflect away from the problem of Islamic terrorism. Ignoring the fact that both are issues.

They seem to neglect what drives people to talk about a terrorist attack.

Sadly the number of people murdered and hurt

They also fail to see how people are driven differently when its political motivated and religiously politically motivated.

Political ideologies can unite people through fear, against others, even passionately so, like we have seen with Nazism and Communism. But they are no where near powerful enough phsychologically to have all their believers overcome their fears and be devout followers. They still fear, but only in a perceived after life. Though they no longer maintain an earthly life lost. They no longer fear death.

They actually think its a great think and beautiful thing to do. A religiously Political ideology does that, when it takes away the fear of death itself. To make people believe, they will be rewarded through Martydom, to die in the cause of Islam. Is a recipe for believers to believe that they can happily embrace death, whilst killing others. Its why there have been so many successful islamic terrorists attacks. They are taught to think its great to murder people and this is normalized. They are devoted to their cause. 

Its why the regressive lefft do not want to be honest about these real problem here.

I mean they recognise rightly the problems with a Far right ideology, but attempt to ignore one that is a religiously political ideology. They do this as they fear to be seem as racist. Which is absurd. They think because many Muslims are Asian, Arabic etc, that challenging poor beliefs is racism. Where they then end up defending such poor beliefs.

Nothing should be shielded from criticism and yet the regressive left continually do this.

Thankfully, we are starting to see a rise in Muslims that want to challenge poor beliefs within Islam.


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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:08 pm

As I said, Didge, Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their belief.
That is the view of the left.
The view from the right seems to be they are only terrorists if they have colour and are Muslim.
Which is ludicrous.
A harsh but fair summary.
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:14 pm

Angry Andy wrote:As I said, Didge, Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their belief.
That is the view of the left.
The view from the right seems to be they are only terrorists if they have colour and are Muslim.
Which is ludicrous.
A harsh but fair summary.

You just proved its not

That is not the view of the right, as again people spoke months afer about Brevik

Sassy invoked "white terrorism coming out of are ears"

Now what would your view have been if someone had posted "black terrorism coming out of are ears"

I imagine you would rightly be challenging why a racial concept to denote that people are born darker skin had anything to do with why some black people may commit terrorism

It would be based on their beliefs, not how they were born, defined and labelled black.

So clearly the left or at least sassy is being as bad as those on the Far right, doing what they do

She never posted because of the crimes, she posted this to make a racist point.

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:23 pm

Did you read Flop forum during and after Breviks atrocity? .
Tom Saywer and Stormee were horrified at the time because they thought and expected the perp to be Muslim.
When it was found out to be a fellow far right nut job, Sawyer and a few others rallied on his behalf, actually blaming the kids.
I was on the forum, it was disgusting.
If you care to search, the posts are still there.
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Angry Andy wrote:Did you read Flop forum during and after Breviks atrocity? .
Tom Saywer and Stormee were horrified at the time because they thought and expected the perp to be Muslim.
When it was found out to be a fellow far right nut job, Sawyer and a few others rallied on his behalf, actually blaming the kids.
I was on the forum, it was disgusting.
If you care to search, the posts are still there.

It was disgusting, i agree.

I was there

What has that got to do with here in that sassy is basically being racist in the same vein?

I am not excusing their views and have constantly condemned many of their views, being highly critical

Now maybe Sassy simple is not bright enough to see when she is being in the same mindset of the Far Right. But you have no excuse here to not condemn her for the thread title, which was formed from the same racist mindset.

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Post by Guest Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:31 pm

Vintage wrote:'coming out of our ears' - seriously? Hardly what I'd call a murderous wave of white terrorists although I have to say one is more than enough whatever colour/religion/ideology. Trying a bit too hard to even the score me thinks.

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:40 pm

I dont speak for Sassy, nor would she expect me to.
As I said, the christian right wing hate mongers will come out and protest, which they have started to do. Jesus must have been a nasty bit of work. And what sort of god permits child cancer, the massacre of innocents and natural disasters?.
Stephen Fry was bang on the money.
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Angry Andy wrote:I dont speak for Sassy, nor would she expect me to.
As I said, the christian right wing hate mongers will come out and protest, which they have started to do. Jesus must have been a nasty bit of work. And what sort of god permits child cancer, the massacre of innocents and natural disasters?.
Stephen Fry was bang on the money.

I am not asking you to speak for her, but to condemn her poor racial headline

I mean, you are the first to jump in and ask that people condemn, are you not, when something is posted with a view to be racist?

Jesus the man, based on his teachings, was a great teacher. Christians follow more the teachings of Paul's interpretation.

As to what kind of god would allow children to get cancer? The kind that is indifferent to our existence.

Meaning that religious people clearly are so mistaken. In that they are not special.

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Didge wrote:
Vintage wrote:'coming out of our ears' - seriously? Hardly what I'd call a murderous wave of white terrorists although I have to say one is more than enough whatever colour/religion/ideology. Trying a bit too hard to even the score me thinks.


That is because the left are not posting stories like this based on how bad such an attempted terrorist attack is. They are doing this to attempt to down play the reality of countless Islamic terrorist attacks. Through some really warped belief. That Far Right Terrorism in the US is comparable to the danger of Global Islamic terrorism. Ignoring that both are a threat, but that one is a Domestic threat in some countries, but the other is a major threat to many Democracies and also Muslim majority countries.

I mean look at the headline used in this thread.

The word "white" was invoked, based on the reality, all 3 were white Americans

The Phrase "Far Right terrorists coming out of our ears" was not used. It was the word "white" used, where if someone had said "Black terrorists coming out of ears" Or "Asian terrorists coming out of our ears". The person who made this title, would be screaming racism and yet does the exact same of those racist minded making this a racial view point.

Go figure

Racism is wrong and to state the invented concept of the Colour labels we use, is posting this from a racial prejudice mindset. It was not posted, as it should have been about the threat of the Far Right. It was made racially instead. Where someone is clearly trying to conflate what people believe next to how people are born. That being born is what we class as white, makes them the default for being a terrorist. Not the beliefs that wil be driving them cause.

This is the problem with the regressive Left. Its like they are waiting and hoping, there will be a horrific terrorist attack by a Far Right White extremists. With the view, this can deflect away from the problem of Islamic terrorism. Ignoring the fact that both are issues.

They seem to neglect what drives people to talk about a terrorist attack.

Sadly the number of people murdered and hurt

They also fail to see how people are driven differently when its political motivated and religiously politically motivated.

Political ideologies can unite people through fear, against others, even passionately so, like we have seen with Nazism and Communism. But they are no where near powerful enough phsychologically to have all their believers overcome their fears and be devout followers. They still fear, but only in a perceived after life. Though they no longer maintain an earthly life lost. They no longer fear death.

They actually think its a great think and beautiful thing to do. A religiously Political ideology does that, when it takes away the fear of death itself. To make people believe, they will be rewarded through Martydom, to die in the cause of Islam. Is a recipe for believers to believe that they can happily embrace death, whilst killing others. Its why there have been so many successful islamic terrorists attacks. They are taught to think its great to murder people and this is normalized. They are devoted to their cause. 

Its why the regressive lefft do not want to be honest about these real problem here.

I mean they recognise rightly the problems with a Far right ideology, but attempt to ignore one that is a religiously political ideology. They do this as they fear to be seem as racist. Which is absurd. They think because many Muslims are Asian, Arabic etc, that challenging poor beliefs is racism. Where they then end up defending such poor beliefs.

Nothing should be shielded from criticism and yet the regressive left continually do this.

Thankfully, we are starting to see a rise in Muslims that want to challenge poor beliefs within Islam.

It's the second thread in a few days by sassy that she has used the word 'white' Like you say if anyone else had used the word 'black' she would be shouting from the roof tops 'racist '

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:00 pm

Clearly Sassy has done a deal of research and has provided good hard evidence. I am sure if she spent longer, and did more digging she would uncover a treasure trove of badness. Is what she has posted the tip of an iceberg?
My gut instinct is yes. What she has quoted cannot be the only cases.
I can see where you are coming from Didge, but how many does it take for you to be happy the headline is accurate?
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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:02 pm

Not sure there is any other way to physically describe caucasian nut jobs. White racist seems pretty apt.
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Angry Andy wrote:Clearly Sassy has done a deal of research and has provided good hard evidence. I am sure if she spent longer, and did more digging she would uncover a treasure trove of badness. Is what she has posted the tip of an iceberg?
My gut instinct is yes. What she has quoted cannot be the only cases.
I can see where you are coming from Didge, but how many does it take for you to be happy the headline is accurate?

I am glad she researched and pointed out the continuing threat of Far Right terrorism.

On this i agree and that we should never be complacent with.

Yet you are ignoring the point.

She never posted this because of Far right terrorism.

She posted this to do what Far Right posters do

She went off these terrorists based on how they are born and classified through a race and not what they believe.

That is what racists do.

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Post by Andy Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:12 pm

You are guess and presupposing WHY Sassy posted it.

It is only your opinion why she did it. Ask 10 posters and you might get 10 different answers.
Why not ask Sassy what her reasons for posting were instead of telling us why she did it?
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Angry Andy wrote:You are guess and presupposing WHY Sassy posted it.

It is only your opinion why she did it. Ask 10 posters and you might get 10 different answers.
Why not ask Sassy what her reasons for posting were instead of telling us why she did it?

So you are now making excuses, when if this was posted by Tommy and the words "black terrorists"was invoked. You would claim the intent of Tommy would you not?

I do not need to ask her reasons

I think I have made that clear

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Post by Raggamuffin Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:27 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Did you read Flop forum during and after Breviks atrocity? .
Tom Saywer and Stormee were horrified at the time because they thought and expected the perp to be Muslim.
When it was found out to be a fellow far right nut job, Sawyer and a few others rallied on his behalf, actually blaming the kids.
I was on the forum, it was disgusting.
If you care to search, the posts are still there.

I don't think Stormee was member of Flap then. Just saying.
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Post by Guest Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:00 pm

3 white terrorists??

That's a really slow minute during the holy Muslim month of bomathon

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Post by Victorismyhero Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:45 pm

As Quill will no doubt quickly be allong to explain

meh...just criminals, call for the fire brigade.

Not to mention that at least one of them deserves a "free pass" from the leftists....

since it clearly states in the report he had "mental issues"

which of course is their standby excuse when some islamic self detonates.
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Lord Foul wrote:As Quill will no doubt quickly be allong to explain

meh...just criminals, call for the fire brigade.

Not to mention that at least one of them deserves a "free pass" from the leftists....

since it clearly states in the report he had "mental issues"

which of course is their standby excuse when some islamic self detonates.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:11 pm

Thanks all for proving my point. Ps, those attacks weren't spread over a long time, all within a shrt time span.

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Post by Guest Sun Oct 15, 2017 3:16 pm

sassy wrote:Thanks all for proving my point.  Ps, those attacks weren't spread over a long time, all within a shrt time span.


You only proved one point

You had the same minset as racists.

Being that you made this about race being a cause as to why a racial group is going to commit a crime

Now either you believe that there is cause to concern ourselves with invented social constructs like racial classifications and to then fear someone based on their skin colour or not.

So which is it?

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This was written BEFORE the last 5 attacks that have all been by white men.




Most Of America’s Terrorists Are White, And Not Muslim
Right-wing terror is real, and it’s a problem.

When it comes to domestic terrorism in America, the numbers don’t lie: Far-right extremists are behind far more plots and attacks than Islamist extremists.

There were almost twice as many terrorist incidents by right-wing extremists as by Islamist extremists in the U.S. from 2008 to 2016, according to a new report from The Nation Institute’s Investigative Fund and The Center for Investigative Reporting’s Reveal.

Looking at both plots and attacks carried out, the group tracked 201 terrorist incidents on U.S. soil from January 2008 to the end of 2016. The database shows 115 cases by right-wing extremists ― from white supremacists to militias to “sovereign citizens” ― compared to 63 cases by Islamist extremists. Incidents from left-wing extremists, which include ecoterrorists and animal rights militants, were comparatively rare, with 19 incidents.

When it comes to right-wing extremism, attackers are also ‘mostly men’ and ‘almost purely white.’ Reporter David Neiwert

While the database makes a point of distinguishing between different groups within right-wing extremism, lead reporter David Neiwert told HuffPost that “those are all gradations of white supremacy, variations on the same thing.” When it comes to right-wing extremism, attackers are also “mostly men” and “almost purely white,” Neiwert said.

Attacks by right-wing extremists were also more often deadly, with nearly a third of right-wing extremist incidents resulting in deaths compared with 13 percent of Islamist extremist cases resulting in deaths. However, the sheer number of people killed by Islamist extremists ― a total of 90 people killed ― was higher than the death toll at the hands of right-wing extremists ― 79 people killed.

Meanwhile, Fake President Trump has focused his rhetoric and policies almost entirely on countering Islamist extremism, and not white supremacist extremism.

“As with a lot of things related to Trump and the Islamophobic right, the reality is viewed through an upside-down looking glass,” Neiwert said. “The reality is the most significant domestic terror threat we have is right-wing extremism.”
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Jeremy Christian, accused of fatally stabbings two men who tried to stop Christian from harassing two young black women who appeared to be Muslim, in Portland, Oregon — May 30, 2017.

The Investigative Fund’s findings reflect those of previous studies of domestic terrorism. The New America Foundation, for instance, which has been tracking deadly terror incidents on U.S. soil since the Sept. 11 attacks, also finds an almost two-to-one ratio of attacks by far-right extremists to Islamist extremists, with 21 deadly attacks by far-right extremists, compared to 11 by Islamist extremists.

Despite the facts, many Americans still associate terror attacks with Islamist extremists rather than far-right extremists, Neiwart noted.

“I think the larger perception in the public ― and this includes many progressives and liberals ― is the inversion of the reality: that the greatest threat we face is Islamist radicals,” Neiwert said. “And it’s reflected in the way the press report upon various kinds of domestic terror attacks: When it’s a white domestic terrorist, they underplay it, write it off to mental illness.”

The reality is the most significant domestic terror threat we have is right-wing extremism. Reporter David Neiwert

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The media has a long history of double standards when it comes to covering terrorism ― starting with how slow mainstream media is to label attacks by white perpetrators as “terrorism,” and quick to label them as such when attackers are perceived as nonwhite or “other” ― and specifically, Muslim.

Part of problem is the complex nature of how officials choose to categorize attacks as terrorism. The FBI has specific criteria its uses to classify terrorist incidents ― but the public doesn’t always agree with officials’ labels. For instance, many people condemned the government for not labeling Dylann Roof a terrorist after he killed nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015, even though he specifically said he was there “to shoot black people,” according to witnesses.

“There’s actually a debate over whether what Dylann Roof did was domestic terrorism, when it so plainly is domestic terrorism,” Neiwert told HuffPost. “A lot of this has to do with embedded judgements about where these threats come from ― and that has to do with fear-mongering around Islamophobia.”

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When it comes to domestic terrorism in America, the numbers don’t lie: Far-right extremists are behind far more plots and attacks than Islamist extremists.

There were almost twice as many terrorist incidents by right-wing extremists as by Islamist extremists in the U.S. from 2008 to 2016, according to a new report from The Nation Institute’s Investigative Fund and The Center for Investigative Reporting’s Reveal.

Looking at both plots and attacks carried out, the group tracked 201 terrorist incidents on U.S. soil from January 2008 to the end of 2016. The database shows 115 cases by right-wing extremists ― from white supremacists to militias to “sovereign citizens” ― compared to 63 cases by Islamist extremists. Incidents from left-wing extremists, which include ecoterrorists and animal rights militants, were comparatively rare, with 19 incidents.

When it comes to right-wing extremism, attackers are also ‘mostly men’ and ‘almost purely white.’ Reporter David Neiwert

While the database makes a point of distinguishing between different groups within right-wing extremism, lead reporter David Neiwert told HuffPost that “those are all gradations of white supremacy, variations on the same thing.” When it comes to right-wing extremism, attackers are also “mostly men” and “almost purely white,” Neiwert said.

Attacks by right-wing extremists were also more often deadly, with nearly a third of right-wing extremist incidents resulting in deaths compared with 13 percent of Islamist extremist cases resulting in deaths. However, the sheer number of people killed by Islamist extremists ― a total of 90 people killed ― was higher than the death toll at the hands of right-wing extremists ― 79 people killed.

Meanwhile, Fake President Trump has focused his rhetoric and policies almost entirely on countering Islamist extremism, and not white supremacist extremism.

“As with a lot of things related to Trump and the Islamophobic right, the reality is viewed through an upside-down looking glass,” Neiwert said. “The reality is the most significant domestic terror threat we have is right-wing extremism.”
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Jeremy Christian, accused of fatally stabbings two men who tried to stop Christian from harassing two young black women who appeared to be Muslim, in Portland, Oregon — May 30, 2017.

The Investigative Fund’s findings reflect those of previous studies of domestic terrorism. The New America Foundation, for instance, which has been tracking deadly terror incidents on U.S. soil since the Sept. 11 attacks, also finds an almost two-to-one ratio of attacks by far-right extremists to Islamist extremists, with 21 deadly attacks by far-right extremists, compared to 11 by Islamist extremists.

Despite the facts, many Americans still associate terror attacks with Islamist extremists rather than far-right extremists, Neiwart noted.

“I think the larger perception in the public ― and this includes many progressives and liberals ― is the inversion of the reality: that the greatest threat we face is Islamist radicals,” Neiwert said. “And it’s reflected in the way the press report upon various kinds of domestic terror attacks: When it’s a white domestic terrorist, they underplay it, write it off to mental illness.”

The reality is the most significant domestic terror threat we have is right-wing extremism. Reporter David Neiwert

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The media has a long history of double standards when it comes to covering terrorism ― starting with how slow mainstream media is to label attacks by white perpetrators as “terrorism,” and quick to label them as such when attackers are perceived as nonwhite or “other” ― and specifically, Muslim.

Part of problem is the complex nature of how officials choose to categorize attacks as terrorism. The FBI has specific criteria its uses to classify terrorist incidents ― but the public doesn’t always agree with officials’ labels. For instance, many people condemned the government for not labeling Dylann Roof a terrorist after he killed nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015, even though he specifically said he was there “to shoot black people,” according to witnesses.

“There’s actually a debate over whether what Dylann Roof did was domestic terrorism, when it so plainly is domestic terrorism,” Neiwert told HuffPost. “A lot of this has to do with embedded judgements about where these threats come from ― and that has to do with fear-mongering around Islamophobia.”
The Investigative Fund and Reveal
Investigative Fund’s interactive map showing terrorism incidents by ideology since 2008.

The solution, according to Neiwert, lies with the government first acknowledging the scale of the problem of far-right extremism, and then dedicating resources to fighting it.

So far Trump has shown a clear double standard in his response to terrorism: After Islamist extremists attacked London on June 3, for instance, Trump condemned the violence on Twitter the same day ― but after an attack in Portland, Oregon, by a white supremacist on May 26, Trump waited more than two days before tweeting about it. After the London attack, Trump also called on the courts to reinstate his travel ban on certain Muslim-majority countries ― which was roundly criticized. After the Portland attack, Trump made no calls to change policy to prevent future attacks.

The Trump administration also reportedly just dropped funding for nonprofit Life After Hate, a group that helps people leave the white supremacist movement.

But it’s not just Trump that’s the problem. The Fund’s database goes back to 2008 and shows clearly how government resources have been disproportionately dedicated to tackling Islamist extremism over right-wing extremism. The government succeeded in interrupting the vast majority of Islamist extremist terror cases since 2008, for instance: 76 percent of incidents tracked were “foiled plots,” which the group noted showed “a significant investment of law enforcement resources.” When it came to right-wing extremism, only about a third of incidents were interrupted ― 35 percent ― and the majority of the cases included acts of violence that led to deaths, injuries or damaged property.

At the end of the day, it’s not only on the government to acknowledge the reality of the growing threat of far-right extremism, according to Neiwert, it’s on everyone from members of the media to average Americans.

“First thing we need to do is recognize that it’s there, it’s a problem, it’s a threat ― as great a threat as Islamists,” Neiwert said. “And it needs to be taken seriously.”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/domestic-terrorism-white-supremacists-islamist-extremists_us_594c46e4e4b0da2c731a84df

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Post by Andy Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:15 pm

He of the cleft brain, Stencharse will deny it. Thick Tom will call this fake news, Nicko will fall asleep, Raggs will just agree with whatever her guv'nor, Nick says.
The drone righties have no imagination or thoughts for themaelves.
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Angry Andy wrote:He of the cleft brain, Stencharse will deny it. Thick Tom will call this fake news, Nicko will fall asleep, Raggs will just agree with whatever her guv'nor, Nick says.
The drone righties have no imagination or thoughts for themaelves.

I pointed out your error, and that's all I've said in this thread. You're the one who can't think for yourself - you just trot out all the bog-standard phrases you always use - like another person on this forum. Try to be more original - there's a good chap.
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Post by eddie Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:44 pm

I've never understood why OP's reporting a news story get a negative 'red'. How stupid is that?
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eddie wrote:I've never understood why OP's reporting a news story get a negative 'red'. How stupid is that?

It was probably the thread title which got the red.
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Post by Victorismyhero Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:02 pm

Not to mention of course that this is about america, which has no comparison to events/actions/statistics in britain
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Post by nicko Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:24 pm

Andy, I do fall asleep when reading your, and certain others posts, who wouldn't when looking at reams and reams of left wing crap !
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eddie wrote:I've never understood why OP's reporting a news story get a negative 'red'. How stupid is that?

You mean a racist thread title, that was posted by someone who is a known anti-semite?

It deserved every red given for being racist.

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