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Post by veya_victaous Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:47 am

Christopher Wylie is the brains behind Cambridge Analytica (CA), the data analytics company that is being investigated for its role in the Donald Trump election campaign and the Brexit vote. The 28-year-old “gay Canadian vegan,” as he describes himself, put the most effective data mining machinery at the service of politics, but was shocked by how it was abused. Wylie has since exposed CA and Facebook for secretly mining the personal information of millions of Facebook accounts. After serving as a source for The Guardian and The New York Times, Wylie sat down with a small group of European journalists to talk about privacy, the failure of Facebook, and political interference.

Question: What was your motivation for speaking out?

Answer: My original goal was to expose the work of Cambridge Analytica, in part because I helped build it and I have a responsibility. If not to correct what has already been done, because there are things that can’t be undone, at least to inform authorities and the people.

Q: What is the most serious thing you have revealed?

A. First, the fact that there is a company that is a military contractor and also an advisor to the president of the United States. In modern democracies, the military is not allowed to take part in elections: why would we allow military contractors to, or for them to act as advisors for some of the most important politicians in the world? When a company with military clients creates an enormous civilian database, some of it collected illegally, there is a serious risk that the line between domestic surveillance and conventional market research will be blurred. People and lawmakers need to get up to date with technology and understand what these companies, Facebook, and others which make money from personal data, really mean. It is important for people not to see it as something abstract but rather as something with a tangible impact.

Q. When did you realize it was time to stop?

A. It built up. The problem was I got lost in my own curiosity. It’s no excuse but I had million-dollar budgets, I could do any research I wanted. That was really attractive. I joined in June 2013 as research director of the SCL group [the parent company of CA] and I began to understand with the passing months what they were really doing. But you get used to the corporate culture. It’s not an excuse, but it was like that. You do more and more, each step isn’t much bigger than the last, until – bang, you have created a privatized NSA [National Security Agency].

Q. Then you left.

A. I left at the end of 2014. It was becoming more and more toxic, especially because Alexander Nix [Cambridge Analytica CEO] and Steve Bannon [former company vice president and ex-chief strategist to Donald Trump]. When Bannon arrived, this freedom to research which had attracted me at the beginning, turned into researching for what we now call the alt-right. Bannon came to London all the time, at least once a month, and we had a conference call with him every Monday morning.

Q. What was your role in Brexit? The latest revelations suggest a data company associated with CA played a key role in the result and helped bend the rules on electoral spending.

A. I didn’t work on the Brexit campaign but I was a phantom presence. I knew everything that happened.

Q. Do you believe Brexit wouldn’t have happened without CA?

A. Absolutely. It’s important because the referendum was won by less than 2% of the vote and a lot of money was spent on tailored ads based on personal data. This amount of money would buy you millions of impressions. If you targeted a small group, it could be the deciding factor. If you add up all the collectives that campaigned for Brexit, it was a third of everything that was spent.There has to be an investigation into the indications that they spent more than what was legally allowed. People should be able to trust their democratic institutions. Cheating is cheating. We are talking about the integrity of all democratic processes, it’s about the future of this country and of Europe more generally.

Q. Has CA worked in other European countries?

A. I know that there was a project in Italy when I was there, but I don’t have the details. I don’t know about others.


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Brexit wouldn’t have happened without Cambridge Analytica Zoolander@Sink-the-PinkObserver source Shahmir Sanni says being “outed” was an “attempt to scare me”which has put him in “danger” and threatened his family’s safety. Well he didn’t look too worried as he partied with fellow whistleblower Chris Wylie at ‘Sink the Pink’ in Brixton last night. Shahmir and Wylie were certainly making the most of their newfound fame. Carole Cadwalladr promised Watergate and delivered a dodgy Zoolander. Almost as if this whole thing has been hyped up and exaggerated into the realms of fantasy in a bitter act of sour grapes following the break-up of a relationship… 

https://order-order.com/2018/03/25/scared-observer-whistleblowers-look-pretty-relaxed-last-night/

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Here is Observer whistleblower Christopher Wylie in his own words in his school yearbook, describing his “probable destiny”:
“Politician. Well that, or just another dissociative smear merchant peddling backroom hackery in its purest Machiavellian form.”
Unfortunate…
Note that Wylie has described himself to the Observer as a high school dropout. Curious then that he’s in his school leavers yearbook. Another fact for Carole Cadwalladr to check…

https://order-order.com/people/christopher-wylie/

Brexit wouldn’t have happened without Cambridge Analytica WYLIE
Former LibDem colleagues of the Observer’s data harvesting whistleblower have some interesting stories to tell. The party will not comment on staffing matters but a LibDem source says Chris Wylie was employed on a fixed-term contract which was not renewed. It is fair to say they were unimpressed with his work. One former colleague recalls: “We did not renew his contract because he is a compulsive bullsh*tter and doesn’t know what he’s talking about”. The Observer reported that their man was “working inside government with the LibDems as a political strategist”. Yet Sean Kemp, who really did work inside government with Nick Clegg, recalls:

Former LibDem spinner Ben Rathe offers this verdict:

Kemp and Rathe are two of the most trusted and respected former spinners in Westminster.
This afternoon Guido revealed how Wylie had personally offered to harvest data for Vote Leave, despite now describing the practice as “grossly unethical”Did Carole Cadwalladr and the Observer not think to check any of this?

https://order-order.com/people/christopher-wylie/


Brexit wouldn’t have happened without Cambridge Analytica WYLIE
The whistleblower who says social media data harvesting is “grossly unethical”personally wrote a pitch to Vote Leave offering to harvest data for them during the referendum campaign, Guido can reveal. Christopher Wylie, the pink-haired former Cambridge Analytica employee turned Observer whistleblower, has spent the last week talking up his opposition to data harvesting:
“It was a grossly unethical experiment because you are playing with an entire country, the psychology of an entire country without their consent or awareness… It’s like Nixon on steroids.”
Yet after Wylie left Cambridge Analytica, he sent a pitch to Vote Leave offering to harvest data for them during the referendum. In a pitch sent to Vote Leave’s Dominic Cummings in January 2016, Wylie wrote:
“We will trial social data harvesting for Vote Leave and use some of our own technology to target and acquire online data about UK voters.”
Wylie went on:
“Several online panels would be set up to target a cross section of voters… We would try to further increase the sample by accessing the social networks of the panel respondents. We would also harvest online and social data”
This is the email Wylie sent to Cummings personally offering to harvest data:
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This is Cummings’ reply rejecting Wylie’s offer:
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You can read Wylie’s rejected pitch to Vote Leave in full here. And you can read Cummings’ blog post responding to the latest Observer claims, and explaining how he thought Wylie was a “charlatan“, here.
The Observer and other Remainers seem determined to use Wylie’s claims about “unethical” data harvesting to somehow discredit the referendum result. What they haven’t mentioned is Wylie was himself offering to harvest data for Vote Leave after he left Cambridge Analytica. How does he explain that one?

https://order-order.com/people/christopher-wylie/

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Post by Guest Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:55 am

Already post this here how dubious this person is and why people should not take his claim seriously

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t23889-ex-libdems-colleagues-raise-doubt-over-walter-mitty-observer-whistleblower?highlight=observer

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:09 am

actually that makes sense that he would try and sell it to remainers.
just the Brexit campaign was smart enough to buy it.

Oh it's definitely true about the votes, but he does try and make himself seem ethical which he is not cause everyone new what they were doing when they developed the system to end democracy.

Democracy is dead, long live the Algorithm
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Post by Guest Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:actually that makes sense that he would try and sell it to remainers.
just the Brexit campaign was smart enough to buy it.

Oh it's definitely true about the votes, but he does try and make himself seem ethical which he is not cause everyone new what they were doing when they developed the system to end democracy.

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There is no evidence for his claim

Like I say, I am pro EU and can see this is no more than an attention seeker

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:32 am

why would they start with the USA?
they are a British company after all it is only logical they would have originally sold their services in the UK, they had great Success so expanded their business to US based clients. they have even tried to set p shop down here but we haven't had a major election since trump/brexit.

it is literally what the company does, this guy is seeking attentions cause he got ousted before the notoriety. Corporate Tech is full of stories about people like him that were pushed or jumped before the big time. and then trying to start a competitor when the original business idea/tech proves profitable.

I mean this isn't even new. Obama did it too.
the Data has been for Sale from Facebook for as long as Facebook has been publically listed. what Cambridge Analytica has is a Very good Algorithm for Collating the 'data' they buy form facebook into more meaningful information for the purposes of Politics. It is not a lot different that than Sony and Microsoft's Advertising Algorithms for their consoles except they just wanted to sell you THEIR console where CA wants to Sell THEIR candidate.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/03/21/obama-tinder-cambridge-analytica-wasnt-first-wont-last-exploit/


I think you'd have to be a bit naïve to not expect Political parties to use the same Science and technology that Companies have been using for decades to Sell stuff, we haven't come to this point out of no where. Billions if not trillions have been invested in R&D to Sell Consumers Crap, Political Parties/ideologies are just another thing to be sold to the consumers.
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Post by Tommy Monk Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:05 pm



Brexit is about restoring democracy!


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Post by veya_victaous Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:23 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Brexit is about restoring democracy!




you don't even know what that Sound bite means Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

You will STILL have to make policies not based on popular vote like everyone else
You had the same democracy under the EU as you will have with brexit
Anyone suggesting otherwise is a complete fraud and liar or just plain old dumb
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Post by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:46 pm

1. Not a sound bite... and I know exactly what it means!

2. We decide who is in govt and vote in those who will do what we want... those who don't won't be in govt for long, as we will vote in a new lot who will do what we want... No longer will we just have govt who are subservient to EU, and who just do what the EU tells them, instead we will have govt who do what the UK people tell them, as is 'democracy'...!

3. Wrong... see answer 2...!

4. Wrong again... it is you and other remoaners who are the things you said...!


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Post by 'Wolfie Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:11 am

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Britain won't truly be able to consider itself a full and genuine "democracy" until  :

*  they replace the un-elected House of Parasites&Hangers-on with a democratically-elected Senate-style Upper House;

*  they rid themselves of a hereditary monarchy, (and, of course, this also applies to all other member-countries of the former 'British Commonwealth'..);

*  they ban professional lobbyists, and reign in the levels of donations to political paries..

Among other things.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:34 pm



But much better than being told what to do by unelected EU bureaucrats...


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Post by nicko Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:33 pm

Reduce the House of Lords to 200 is a good idea,

Keep your dirty little hands off our Monarchy, it brings us a lot of money and has no political say on any Government decisions ! Smile
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Post by Original Quill Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:19 pm

nicko wrote:Reduce the House of Lords to 200 is a good idea,

Keep your dirty little hands off our Monarchy,   it brings us a lot of money and has no political say on any Government decisions ! Smile

The Monarchy is an undemocratic, unelected bunch of Germans.  For the sake of argument, what is the difference between the Monarchy and the EU?

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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:50 pm



Come on Quill... stop being a twat...


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Post by nicko Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:08 pm

What is the difference between the Monarchy and the EU? Quill you are fucking unbelievable, and as thick as mince, and supposedly intelligent !
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Post by Original Quill Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:01 pm

nicko wrote:What is the difference between the Monarchy and the EU?     Quill you are fucking unbelievable, and as thick as mince, and supposedly intelligent  !

There is no difference. Both are non-representative and both are German. Who denies it?

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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:20 pm

Original Quill wrote:
nicko wrote:What is the difference between the Monarchy and the EU?     Quill you are fucking unbelievable, and as thick as mince, and supposedly intelligent  !

There is no difference.  Both are non-representative and both are German.  Who denies it?


Brexit isn't a vote for either... but a vote to leave the EU... so I don't know what youre going on about really...!?


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Post by nicko Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:42 am

Idon't think he knows himself !
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Post by Original Quill Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:44 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

There is no difference.  Both are non-representative and both are German.  Who denies it?


Brexit isn't a vote for either... but a vote to leave the EU... so I don't know what youre going on about really...!?

What I'm on about is that there was a time when the monarchies and the European community were symbiotic. You have predominantly Germans at Buckingham Palace because James I sent his daughter, Elizabeth, to marry a German prince at Hanover. Obviously, James was more broad minded than the Brexit people.

The whole of Europe is smaller than Alaska, but you guys find fights to pick that are silly and inconsequential. You ought to learn from your monarchs.

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 01, 2018 5:17 pm



Not quite Quill...


But what has that got to do with restoring control of UK laws/rules/regulations/borders etc to the UK parliament and British electorate...?


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Post by veya_victaous Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:16 am

Tommy Monk wrote:1. Not a sound bite... and I know exactly what it means!

2. We decide who is in govt and vote in those who will do what we want... those who don't won't be in govt for long, as we will vote in a new lot who will do what we want... No longer will we just have govt who are subservient to EU, and who just do what the EU tells them, instead we will have govt who do what the UK people tell them, as is 'democracy'...!

3. Wrong... see answer 2...!

4. Wrong again... it is you and other remoaners who are the things you said...!



You just confirmed what I said
that You Don't have a clue about how reality works. Cool
Being in the EU or not will make ZERO difference as Gov'ts are not making policies based on what 'people tell them' anywhere.

I'm not a remoaner, I like Brexit the UK being separate and weak, with less power than ever Twisted Evil Twisted Evil


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Post by veya_victaous Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:18 am

nicko wrote:What is the difference between the Monarchy and the EU?     Quill you are fucking unbelievable, and as thick as mince, and supposedly intelligent  !

What is the difference?
Really what is the difference?
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Post by nicko Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:55 am

If you can't see the difference take your head from up your arse !
There's none so blind etc.
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Post by veya_victaous Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:30 am

nicko wrote:If you can't see the difference take your head from up your arse !
There's none so blind etc.

If it is so Obvious then Say it?
since you don't seem to be able to Answer...
What is the difference?
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Post by nicko Tue Apr 03, 2018 10:06 am

The Royals have no say on ANYTHING the Government does. Please share with us your intimate knowledge of what the Royals have to do with our Governments decisions. As someone who lives in England, I have to ask what a dyed in the wool Republican like yourself knows about how our great Country works? Stop believing what your left wing comrades say.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:00 am

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:What is the difference between the Monarchy and the EU?     Quill you are fucking unbelievable, and as thick as mince, and supposedly intelligent  !

What is the difference?
Really what is the difference?

There's quite a difference, actually. To start with, the Queen is a constitutional monarch and plays relatively little in the actual work of governing the UK, which is the responsibility of Parliament, apart from performing the state opening of the legislature and signing the Royal Assent to Acts of Parliament to bring them fully into law.

Technically she could refuse, but by doing so she would almost certainly be rejecting the advice of her principal advisors (The Privy Council) and a constitutional crisis would be inevitable.

Charles the First tried that - and lost his head over the matter.

She is admittedly Head of State, Head of the Commonwealth and Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church, but those roles are largely symbolic.

The EU, on the other hand, is firmly under the control of the Commission, not one member of which, so far as I know, has been democratically elected. Many of its veritable mass of rules and regulations which can, and do, impinge on even the minutiae of our lives, result from Commission Directives which once issued are mandatory on member states...even if their national elected governments oppose them.

The EU Parliament has only limited powers in the direct governance of the Union; I believe their only real sanction is the power to reject the budget - not that they would do it. One very senior member of the financial staff in the EU once blew the whistle on fraud and corruption at the top,apparently with the backing - and almost certainly with the support of - some MEPs...and was peremptorily sacked by the finance Commissioner, the UK's former Labour leader Neil Kinnock.

Even the EU's Court of Auditors refused to sign off the Commission's accounts for year after year because of allegations, investigation into which has always been blocked.

The "Buggins' Turn" system of choosing the EU President has given us such, er, towering, figures as our current leader - the ex-Prime Minister of a weird Ruritanian "Grand Duchy" with an economy about half that of Birmingham, and as for the stature and quality of Members of the EU Parliament...one former "democratically elected" MEP was Nick Griffin, the erstwhile leader of the seriously Far Right British National Party.
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Post by Original Quill Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:57 pm

Fred M. wrote:Technically she could refuse, but by doing so she would almost certainly be rejecting the advice of her principal advisors (The Privy Council) and a constitutional crisis would be inevitable.

Charles the First tried that - and lost his head over the matter.

As an aside, I don't see that happening.  Charles I was an heir of the de Guise family, the most Roman family of the most Roman country in Europe (France).  The Brits had already committed regicide on his grandmother, Mary Queen of Scots, and there's no reason to think they felt any differently about Charles' Catholicism.

The protestant revolution was already well on its way, and Charles I just got caught up in it.  His kid, James II, got kicked off the island.  The minutia of the civil war pales when you realize that a Roman Catholic ruling England was just plain intolerable.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:04 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Fred M. wrote:Technically she could refuse, but by doing so she would almost certainly be rejecting the advice of her principal advisors (The Privy Council) and a constitutional crisis would be inevitable.

Charles the First tried that - and lost his head over the matter.

As an aside, I don't see that happening.  Charles I was an heir of the de Guise family, the most Roman family of the most Roman country in Europe (France).  The Brits had already committed regicide on his grandmother, Mary Queen of Scots, and there's no reason to think they felt any differently about Charles' Catholicism.

The protestant revolution was already well on its way, and Charles I just got caught up in it.  His kid, James II, got kicked off the island.  The minutia of the civil war pales when you realize that a Roman Catholic ruling England was just plain intolerable.

Nor do I, which is why I used the word "technically."

Charles, should he ascend the throne, might well try to throw a few spanners in the works because he has a reputation as being something of an interferer - most ministers must dread his notorious "black spider" handwritten notes criticising, demanding action, etc. in relation to his many personal interests, most of which, not unreasonably, concern environmental matters. But I don't think he would ever contemplate refusing to put his signature and seal to a Royal Assent.

So far as Charles 11 is concerned, he was a deeply religious man and firmly committed to the Anglican Church, though he was greatly in favour of  High Church ritual and religious vestments, statues and artefacts, and this particularly offended many influential Puritan MPs and state officers. As, of course, did his tolerance of the Roman Catholic church together with the presumed undue influence of his Catholic wife Henrietta Maria, who daily celebrated the hated Roman Mass in her private chambers and conducted near diplomatic  relationships with leading Catholic clerics and statesmen from her native France.

Cromwell, Ireton,  Pym, etc. were not about to accept that state of affairs.

Charles was also financially prolific and wanted even more funds for his intended war against the Scots (who absolutely loathed the Catholic Queen) and saw no reason why he should have to seek the approval of the commoners in Parliament.

It was his utter contempt for Parliament and its rights, as well as his stupid action in attempting to arrest leading Puritan MPs within the hallowed walls of Westminster, that set in train the Civil War and the trial that cost him his head.
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So the difference is one at least tries to appear democratically elected Suspect
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veya_victaous wrote:So the difference is one at least tries to appear democratically elected Suspect


No, the difference is that the (unelected) Monarch reigns; the (unelected) European Commissioners rule.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:42 pm

Brexit means our elected govt makes the rules... and we vote in those who do what we want...!


Again!


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