Winston Churchill-inspired 'Blighty cafe' is stormed by a group of Left-wing protesters who brand Britain's wartime leader a 'racist'

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:



"Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

Can You Read?? even Your own quote is saying what I AM SAYING!

Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

it is a Socialist MARKET economy, not a Socialist PLANNED economy

Come on I thought you had more brains then didge        
Now stop trying to get your economic education for Superhero Comics        

Denmark is a market economy


Socialist is not used. You made that up. Now go put your pants out, they are on fire.

While speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, the center-right Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said he was aware "that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism."

"Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

Maddog wrote:

Didge wrote:

Maddog wrote:



"Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

The think is, the many p;olitical scientists I research on this, agree with you.
That its not a socialist economy
Sadly, socialists are so desperate, they claim anything is socialist. Except the nightmare Socialist governments that have been in history

Exactly. There are socialist economies out there. They all have sucked or do suck. Now socialists are trying to claim market economies with high levels of taxation and redistribution as socialist.

Socialism is about government control of the means of production. Some of the least controlled economies are the Nordic countries, Australia and New Zealand. That's why they are now beating the US in economic freedom.    

BULLSHIT
we have industries that are nationalised. Large portions of the means of Production in Health, Education, Transport and Tourism are Publicly owned.

that is Socialist Policy from the Unionist (even Lefter the merely socialist) Labor Party.
UK has the Same, Both are and have always been Mixed Market economies

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Exactly. There are socialist economies out there. They all have sucked or do suck. Now socialists are trying to claim market economies with high levels of taxation and redistribution as socialist.

Socialism is about government control of the means of production. Some of the least controlled economies are the Nordic countries, Australia and New Zealand. That's why they are now beating the US in economic freedom.    

BULLSHIT
we have industries that are nationalised. Large portions of the means of Production in Health, Education, Transport and Tourism are Publicly owned.  

that is Socialist Policy from the Unionist (even Lefter the merely socialist) Labor Party.
UK has the Same, Both are and have always been Mixed Market economies  

No the bullshit is coming from you and this is what regressive lefties.
Invent crap and claim something is socialist as an economy, when its blatantly not.

Fucking idiot

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:



"Therefore," he said, "I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

Rasmussen acknowledged that "the Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security to its citizens," but he also noted that it is "a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish."

Can You Read?? even Your own quote is saying what I AM SAYING!

Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

it is a Socialist MARKET economy, not a Socialist PLANNED economy

Come on I thought you had more brains then didge        
Now stop trying to get your economic education for Superhero Comics        

Denmark is a market economy


Socialist is not used. You made that up. Now go put your pants out, they are on fire.  

He avoids the word Because Of Comic book educated twits like you 2, treating the word like it means 'Red Commie' is Coming to fight 'Capitan America'

What do you think 'expanded welfare state' is implying?

Market is NOT the opposing definition to Socialism.
So AGAIN he is saying what I have been saying the whole time
Socialist Market economies exist and are successful.

If you only pick PLANNED TOTALITARIAN economies then yes they are all Totalitarian and they stagnate.

Australia, a vibrant free-market democracy, has recorded impressive economic progress unmarred by recession for more than 25 years. In addition to abundant natural resources, the economy has benefited from an effective system of government, a well-functioning legal system, and an independent bureaucracy, all of which have facilitated robust entrepreneurial development.



With almost all industries open to foreign competition and a skilled workforce readily available, Australia continues to be an attractive and dynamic destination for investment. The government has withdrawn from most areas of the market, and competition in such sectors as financial services has increased. Although government debt has been rising since the global financial crisis, it remains substantially lower than in most other advanced economies.

Trade is moderately important to Australia’s economy; the value of exports and imports taken together equals 41 percent of GDP. The average applied tariff rate is 1.9 percent. Some regulations impede agricultural trade. Most state-owned enterprises have been privatized. Foreign firms compete on equal terms with domestic banks and other financial institutions in Australia’s highly developed and competitive financial system.

https://www.heritage.org/index/country/australia

Maddog wrote:Australia, a vibrant free-market democracy, has recorded impressive economic progress unmarred by recession for more than 25 years. In addition to abundant natural resources, the economy has benefited from an effective system of government, a well-functioning legal system, and an independent bureaucracy, all of which have facilitated robust entrepreneurial development.



With almost all industries open to foreign competition and a skilled workforce readily available, Australia continues to be an attractive and dynamic destination for investment. The government has withdrawn from most areas of the market, and competition in such sectors as financial services has increased. Although government debt has been rising since the global financial crisis, it remains substantially lower than in most other advanced economies.

Trade is moderately important to Australia’s economy; the value of exports and imports taken together equals 41 percent of GDP. The average applied tariff rate is 1.9 percent. Some regulations impede agricultural trade. Most state-owned enterprises have been privatized. Foreign firms compete on equal terms with domestic banks and other financial institutions in Australia’s highly developed and competitive financial system.

https://www.heritage.org/index/country/australia

As I said, socialists are so desperate (knowing full well its failed economic system) that they claim other economic systems as their own.

Priceless fuckwittery

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Denmark is a market economy


Socialist is not used. You made that up. Now go put your pants out, they are on fire.  

He avoids the word Because Of Comic book educated twits like you 2, treating the word like it means 'Red Commie' is Coming to fight 'Capitan America'  

What do you think 'expanded welfare state' is implying?

Market is NOT the opposing definition to Socialism.  
So AGAIN he is saying what I have been saying the whole time
Socialist Market economies exist and are successful.

If you only pick PLANNED TOTALITARIAN economies then yes they are all Totalitarian and they stagnate.

Market is the opposite of socialism.

That's why Australia and Venezuela are on opposite ends of the spectrum. One is socialist. I'll let you guess which one.

Didge wrote:

Maddog wrote:Australia, a vibrant free-market democracy, has recorded impressive economic progress unmarred by recession for more than 25 years. In addition to abundant natural resources, the economy has benefited from an effective system of government, a well-functioning legal system, and an independent bureaucracy, all of which have facilitated robust entrepreneurial development.



With almost all industries open to foreign competition and a skilled workforce readily available, Australia continues to be an attractive and dynamic destination for investment. The government has withdrawn from most areas of the market, and competition in such sectors as financial services has increased. Although government debt has been rising since the global financial crisis, it remains substantially lower than in most other advanced economies.

Trade is moderately important to Australia’s economy; the value of exports and imports taken together equals 41 percent of GDP. The average applied tariff rate is 1.9 percent. Some regulations impede agricultural trade. Most state-owned enterprises have been privatized. Foreign firms compete on equal terms with domestic banks and other financial institutions in Australia’s highly developed and competitive financial system.

https://www.heritage.org/index/country/australia

As I said, socialists are so desperate (knowing full well its failed economic system) that they claim other economic systems as their own.

Priceless fuckwittery

The guy lives in one of the least socialist places in the world, and arguably one of the best, and he doesn't even know why that is.

Maddog wrote:

Didge wrote:




As I said, socialists are so desperate (knowing full well its failed economic system) that they claim other economic systems as their own.

Priceless fuckwittery

The guy lives in one of the least socialist places in the world, and arguably one of the best, and he doesn't even know why that is.

Welcome to my world, in trying to reason with such brainwashed people like Veya.

Enjoy  

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Exactly. There are socialist economies out there. They all have sucked or do suck. Now socialists are trying to claim market economies with high levels of taxation and redistribution as socialist.

Socialism is about government control of the means of production. Some of the least controlled economies are the Nordic countries, Australia and New Zealand. That's why they are now beating the US in economic freedom.    

BULLSHIT
we have industries that are nationalised. Large portions of the means of Production in Health, Education, Transport and Tourism are Publicly owned.  

that is Socialist Policy from the Unionist (even Lefter the merely socialist) Labor Party.
UK has the Same, Both are and have always been Mixed Market economies  

No the bullshit is coming from you and this is what regressive lefties.
Invent crap and claim something is socialist as an economy, when its blatantly not.

Fucking idiot

Your the one that Can't support a single one of your claims, your the one that Doesn't use the Economic definitions
Your the one which obviously has zero working knowledge of economics beyond what you've read in comic books and action films

AND You are worse than just a fucking Idiot. Completely arrogant ignorant retard with virtually no social skills and Fundamentalist tendencies bordering on Asperger's

veya_victaous wrote:

Didge wrote:


No the bullshit is coming from you and this is what regressive lefties.
Invent crap and claim something is socialist as an economy, when its blatantly not.

Fucking idiot

Your the one that Can't support a single one of your claims, your the one that Doesn't use the Economic definitions
Your the one which obviously has zero working knowledge of economics beyond what you've read in comic books and action films

AND You are worse than just a fucking Idiot. Completely arrogant ignorant retard with virtually no social skills and Fundamentalist tendencies bordering on Asperger's

I have supported all my claimes with evidence and links

I am arrogant, because i know I am right here and how easily you have again been triggered.

Its that easy for me, as you are seriously brainwashed with the socialist crap that you read.

We now also know you want to destroy the only Jewish state in the world, proving even more your hate for the Jews.

Clearly you have never learnt from history, where such hate leads

But at least we now know you are antisemitic. You proved that tonight

Maddog wrote:Australia, a vibrant free-market democracy, has recorded impressive economic progress unmarred by recession for more than 25 years. In addition to abundant natural resources, the economy has benefited from an effective system of government, a well-functioning legal system, and an independent bureaucracy, all of which have facilitated robust entrepreneurial development.



With almost all industries open to foreign competition and a skilled workforce readily available, Australia continues to be an attractive and dynamic destination for investment. The government has withdrawn from most areas of the market, and competition in such sectors as financial services has increased. Although government debt has been rising since the global financial crisis, it remains substantially lower than in most other advanced economies.

Trade is moderately important to Australia’s economy; the value of exports and imports taken together equals 41 percent of GDP. The average applied tariff rate is 1.9 percent. Some regulations impede agricultural trade. Most state-owned enterprises have been privatized. Foreign firms compete on equal terms with domestic banks and other financial institutions in Australia’s highly developed and competitive financial system.

https://www.heritage.org/index/country/australia

Yep but not all, as is the policy of Mixed market economies.
we still Utilise Market Socialist Policies in the Industries where the market will not meet Public expectations of service.

Again IF either of you 2 got your knowledge of economics from something other than MARVEL you'd be able to follow the complexities.

See what I mean, he just makes it up as he goes along

Didge wrote:

Maddog wrote:

The guy lives in one of the least socialist places in the world, and arguably one of the best, and he doesn't even know why that is.

Welcome to my world, in trying to reason with such brainwashed people like Veya.

Enjoy  

If he had a beautiful woman (which is highly unlikely), he would argue she was actually an ugly man.

Welfare does not mean socialism. State spending does not mean socialism. Poor guy so wants to live in a socialist country, yet he brags about living in one of the most market driven, least regulated countries on the planet.

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:Australia, a vibrant free-market democracy, has recorded impressive economic progress unmarred by recession for more than 25 years. In addition to abundant natural resources, the economy has benefited from an effective system of government, a well-functioning legal system, and an independent bureaucracy, all of which have facilitated robust entrepreneurial development.



With almost all industries open to foreign competition and a skilled workforce readily available, Australia continues to be an attractive and dynamic destination for investment. The government has withdrawn from most areas of the market, and competition in such sectors as financial services has increased. Although government debt has been rising since the global financial crisis, it remains substantially lower than in most other advanced economies.

Trade is moderately important to Australia’s economy; the value of exports and imports taken together equals 41 percent of GDP. The average applied tariff rate is 1.9 percent. Some regulations impede agricultural trade. Most state-owned enterprises have been privatized. Foreign firms compete on equal terms with domestic banks and other financial institutions in Australia’s highly developed and competitive financial system.

https://www.heritage.org/index/country/australia

Yep but not all, as is the policy of Mixed market economies.
we still Utilise Market Socialist Policies in the Industries where the market will not meet Public expectations of service.

Again IF either of you 2 got your knowledge of economics from something other than MARVEL you'd be able to follow the complexities.

My link was hardly Marvel.


Australia, a vibrant free-market democracy.

Maddog wrote:

Didge wrote:


Welcome to my world, in trying to reason with such brainwashed people like Veya.

Enjoy  

If he had a beautiful woman (which is highly unlikely), he would argue she was actually an ugly man.

Welfare does not mean socialism. State spending does not mean socialism. Poor guy so wants to live in a socialist country, yet he brags about living in one of the most market driven, least regulated countries on the planet.  

lol

This is what beggars belief, when they claim welfare means socialism

Like I say, socialists adopt and claim as their own many things.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Yep but not all, as is the policy of Mixed market economies.
we still Utilise Market Socialist Policies in the Industries where the market will not meet Public expectations of service.

Again IF either of you 2 got your knowledge of economics from something other than MARVEL you'd be able to follow the complexities.

My link was hardly Marvel.  


Australia, a vibrant free-market democracy.

Australia isn't a genuine "free market" economy as yet, even though successive governments have been steering it back that way since the 1980s...

We do have a "mixed market" economy, as veya keeps pointing out -- some sectors open and "free market", especially with mining/resources, much of the agriculture, tourism; but still with controls over imports to protect certain farm sectors, tight quarantine controls, high food standards, some protections over some manufacturing areas..

It's Didge who keeps on spouting total bullshit on here..

Australia retains socialist models in public education, public health systems, universal basic healthcare, law enforcement, industry/workplace and environmental protections, etc.

Calling Oz a "vibrant free market economy" is advertising claptrap on behalf of a conservative-minded government chasing more foreign investment funding to speed up economic expansion..

Just because you collect taxes doesn't make you socialist. All countries collect taxes and redistribute some wealth. That doesn't make all countries socialist. Australia is not socialist, which is one reason it does so well.

Maddog wrote:Just because you collect taxes doesn't make you socialist. All countries collect taxes and redistribute some wealth. That doesn't make all countries socialist.  Australia is not socialist, which is one reason it does so well.  

it does mean that just about all nations have 'Socialist Policies' (which makes everyone a little bit socialist) since everyone admits Capitalism alone doesn't work and quickly spirals to monopolies. to prevent this the market forces must be managed, and How do Mixed market economies manage market forces. through use of Socialist policies.
Which is WHY even the way you try and present economic information is very much Comic book. Socialism is Not a 'team' that Capitalism has to fight (I know weird concept for Americans)

AND it is not merely the collecting/spending of taxes, it is the Direct Provision of services (A.k.a Means of Production) . the USA health policy is Not socialist since the USA pays insurers and private enterprise to run the health system. IN AUSTRALIA (and UK) the Gov't builds, owns and operates hospitals, directly employs doctors, nurses etc.
That's Why Australia is More socialist than the USA. since Both are ACTUALLY mixed market economies.

Maddog wrote:
Just because you collect taxes doesn't make you socialist. All countries collect taxes and redistribute some wealth. That doesn't make all countries socialist.  Australia is not socialist, which is one reason it does so well.  

Nobody here said that taxation makes a cointry "socialist", you dopey dog...

Stop trying to claim that other people are saying something, that simply hasn't been said on here at all..

That kind of rubbish is what we have come to expect from the likes of Smelly'Deano amd Tommy and their regular crap talking.,

Maddog wrote:Just because you collect taxes doesn't make you socialist. All countries collect taxes and redistribute some wealth. That doesn't make all countries socialist.  Australia is not socialist, which is one reason it does so well.  

Like I told you maddog, two brainwashed idiots.

They place anything to socialism, that they think is good and anything socialist that is bad, they deny.

Its pathetic and they got exposed badly here

All can see that

Its been a pleasure

Yet more crap from Didge.

I dont  engage with him when he is like  this. Seems to have come off his meds, posting crap opinions  on every topic as if he is the world's expert on that given subject.
Best to ride out the shit storm of his spamming, take a few hours break ignoring him and all will settle down again.
I am off to dig a big fuck off hole and replace a gate post. 4"×4"× 8'. Lots of hard graft.

Angry Andy wrote:Yet more crap from Didge.

I dont  engage with him when he is like  this. Seems to have come off his meds, posting crap opinions  on every topic as if he is the world's expert on that given subject.
Best to ride out the shit storm of his spamming, take a few hours break ignoring him and all will settle down again.
I am off to dig a big fuck off hole and replace a gate post. 4"×4"× 8'. Lots of hard graft.

Ah the usual crap reply from Andy Pandy

Sorry, did you actually have a point on the debate, or as usual jump into to attack posters?

Maybe you could see a specialist, about the hate you have for people

Good luck

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog wrote:
Just because you collect taxes doesn't make you socialist. All countries collect taxes and redistribute some wealth. That doesn't make all countries socialist.  Australia is not socialist, which is one reason it does so well.  

Nobody here said that taxation makes a cointry "socialist", you dopey dog...

Stop trying to claim that other people are saying something, that simply hasn't been said on here at all..

That kind of rubbish is what we have come to expect from the likes of Smelly'Deano amd Tommy and their regular crap talking.,

Then what does make a country socialist? And don't say welfare and government spending, because you just said it didn't.

Maddog wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog wrote:
Just because you collect taxes doesn't make you socialist. All countries collect taxes and redistribute some wealth. That doesn't make all countries socialist.  Australia is not socialist, which is one reason it does so well.  

Nobody here said that taxation makes a cointry "socialist", you dopey dog...

Stop trying to claim that other people are saying something, that simply hasn't been said on here at all..

That kind of rubbish is what we have come to expect from the likes of Smelly'Deano amd Tommy and their regular crap talking.,

Then what does make a country socialist? And don't say welfare and government spending, because you just said it didn't.

there really isn't any purely socialist countries, there are socialist parties leading countries and countries with Socialist policies.

'Socialist nations' is really a cold war comic book concept, in the real world there isn't any. like there is no full 'Capitalist nations'.
Most of the Historical Self Declared 'socialist nations' where communists which is a very specific form of extreme socialism.
China is currently considered the most socialist country.

As of 2015, there are only four countries in the world that formally identify themselves as socialist: China, Cuba, Vietnam and Laos. There is no formal criteria for socialist classification, however, and there is great debate about other nations with governments that closely embrace socialist practices.
According to the Socialist Party of the United Kingdom, there are no countries in the world that are purely socialist.
https://www.reference.com/government-politics/list-countries-under-socialism-478b6f1bc6a6f37a

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Then what does make a country socialist? And don't say welfare and government spending, because you just said it didn't.

there really isn't any purely socialist countries, there are socialist parties leading countries and countries with Socialist policies.

'Socialist nations' is really a cold war comic book concept, in the real world there isn't any. like there is no full 'Capitalist nations'.
Most of the Historical Self Declared 'socialist nations' where communists which is a very specific form of extreme socialism.
China is currently considered the most socialist country.

As of 2015, there are only four countries in the world that formally identify themselves as socialist: China, Cuba, Vietnam and Laos. There is no formal criteria for socialist classification, however, and there is great debate about other nations with governments that closely embrace socialist practices.
According to the Socialist Party of the United Kingdom, there are no countries in the world that are purely socialist.
https://www.reference.com/government-politics/list-countries-under-socialism-478b6f1bc6a6f37a

Countries that have government control over the means of production are socialist. Venezuela, Cuba and N. Korea would be examples. Vietnam is another, but they are dialing it back because they, like China, understand that the market does a better job than the government at allocating resources and controlling the means of production.

the market does do better in non-essential services. (until it reaches monopoly)
But does terribly for essential services, case in point the USA.
Which is why Most Countries uses Some Socialist Policies and Gov't Control over Some industries.

Currently Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would. BUT as I have been saying the entire time almost all of us have Mixed market economies with a varying balance of socialist policy and market forces.

and Case in point Cuba and NK are Both Communist.

Countries that have government control over the means of production are socialist.

well since the Australian gov't has controls over the labour market, any industry with a workforce has government control over at least part of the means of production.

veya_victaous wrote:the market does do better in non-essential services. (until it reaches monopoly)
But does terribly for essential services, case in point the USA.
Which is why Most Countries uses Some Socialist Policies and Gov't Control over Some industries.

Currently Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would. BUT as I have been saying the entire time almost all of us have Mixed market economies with a varying balance of socialist policy and market forces.  

and Case in point Cuba and NK are Both Communist.

Countries that have government control over the means of production are socialist.

well since the Australian gov't has controls over the labour market, any industry with a workforce has government control over at least part of the means of production.

What most countries do is tax industry, not try to run industry. That's the difference.

Umm No, Most nations have Regulations, Licensing, Restrictions, Minimum standards and even Publicly ran and owned facilities.
Tax is only a small part of the governmental controls used in varying industries.

the USA is quite unusual for how little it's gov't does.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:the market does do better in non-essential services. (until it reaches monopoly)
But does terribly for essential services, case in point the USA.
Which is why Most Countries uses Some Socialist Policies and Gov't Control over Some industries.

Currently Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would. BUT as I have been saying the entire time almost all of us have Mixed market economies with a varying balance of socialist policy and market forces.  

and Case in point Cuba and NK are Both Communist.



well since the Australian gov't has controls over the labour market, any industry with a workforce has government control over at least part of the means of production.

What most countries do is tax industry, not try to run industry. That's the difference.  

Your claim is pure rubbish...

There are only a handful of countries who would fit your criteria, certainly not "most"...

Maybe you can find a handful of countries in the Middle East and northern Africa to fit your fantasy, but even there they don't have vibrant free enterprise, but rather a few families controlling monopolies and ologopolies, and workers looking for work wherever they can find it, often under "feudal" style conditions..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

What most countries do is tax industry, not try to run industry. That's the difference.  

Your claim is pure rubbish...

There are only a handful of countries who would fit your criteria, certainly not "most"...

Maybe you can find a handful of countries in the Middle East and northern Africa to fit your fantasy, but even there they don't have vibrant free enterprise, but rather a few families controlling monopolies and ologopolies, and workers looking for work wherever they can find it, often under "feudal" style conditions..

Most countries don't have much state owned industry. That statement is a fact. They have private ownership and they tax the profits thereof.

Maddog wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


Your claim is pure rubbish...

There are only a handful of countries who would fit your criteria, certainly not "most"...

Maybe you can find a handful of countries in the Middle East and northern Africa to fit your fantasy, but even there they don't have vibrant free enterprise, but rather a few families controlling monopolies and ologopolies, and workers looking for work wherever they can find it, often under "feudal" style conditions..

Most countries don't have much state owned industry. That statement is a fact.  They have private ownership and they tax the profits thereof.  

And then those taxes are mostly used to fund publicly-owned/publicly run (i.e. "socialised") services --

for example : hospitals, basic medical care, public schools, mainstream universities, water supply, electricity distribution, public transport systems, old age pensions, unemployment benefits, public roads, railway lines, public ports, government research bodies, regulatory bodies covering agriculture, food standards, product safety, workplace conditions & health, etc.

Taxation in itself isn't a means to control and regulate domestic industries and businesses.


The USA has some of the lowest levels of supplying publicly-owned services for several reasons :

* your gov't is largely owned by tax-dodging corporations
* many Americans have been indoctrinated into the concept that "free markets do it better", "universal healthcare is a communist plot", "governments shouldn't provide welfare", "unemployed, disabled and poor people should be left to starve in the streets"..
* many farmers and business people are opposed to water supply regulations, environmental protections, workplace safety rules, and even the concept of minimum wages.

Just compare your health and welfare systems to those of Canada, France, Australia, New Zealand, Finland..

See, this is such a problem these days - it's very difficult to find somewhere you can have a nice cup of coffee in peace and quiet. Still, it was probably quite entertaining.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Most countries don't have much state owned industry. That statement is a fact.  They have private ownership and they tax the profits thereof.  

And then those taxes are mostly used to fund publicly-owned/publicly run (i.e. "socialised") services --

for example :  hospitals, basic medical care, public schools, mainstream universities, water supply, electricity distribution, public transport systems, old age pensions, unemployment benefits, public roads, railway lines, public ports, government research bodies, regulatory bodies covering agriculture, food standards, product safety, workplace conditions & health, etc.

Taxation in itself isn't a means to control and regulate domestic industries and businesses.


The USA has some of the lowest levels of supplying publicly-owned services for several reasons :

* your gov't is largely owned by tax-dodging corporations
*  many Americans have been indoctrinated into the concept that "free markets do it better",  "universal healthcare is a communist plot", "governments shouldn't provide welfare",  "unemployed, disabled and poor people should be left to starve in the streets"..
*  many farmers and business people are opposed to water supply regulations, environmental protections, workplace safety rules, and even the concept of minimum wages.

Just compare your health and welfare systems to those of Canada, France, Australia, New Zealand, Finland..

I said industry and you go off on a tangent about services.

It's very difficult to have a conversation with someone who doesn't read and comprehend. Try slowing down, taking a deep breath and focusing.

Just more left wing extremeist thuggery

Veya said...

'...Currently Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would...'


The Nazis had full control over the means of production... so as I've said many times before, the Nazis were far left!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya said...

'...Currently Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would...'


The Nazis had full control over the means of production... so as I've said many times before, the Nazis were far left!!!

They didn't own BMW or Mercedes etc
But Being Ultra RW they gave Privately owned 'means of production' public resources to operate.

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya said...

'...Currently Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would...'

The Nazis had full control over the means of production... so as I've said many times before, the Nazis were far left!!!

Bull_fucking_shit, Tommy...

The nazi's did not have "full control over.. production.." -- what they had was dozens of collaborating privately-owned companies in league with them, and they were prepared to use military force to maintain supply to those businesses, in return for those companies' support and loyalty..

Only a complete economics and political dunce will continue to make a fool of himself as you do, by stupidly claiming that Nazism was "left wing" and "socialist" !

I thought it was called "The National "Socialist" Party?

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

BULLSHIT
we have industries that are nationalised. Large portions of the means of Production in Health, Education, Transport and Tourism are Publicly owned.  

that is Socialist Policy from the Unionist (even Lefter the merely socialist) Labor Party.
UK has the Same, Both are and have always been Mixed Market economies  

No the bullshit is coming from you and this is what regressive lefties.
Invent crap and claim something is socialist as an economy, when its blatantly not.

Fucking idiot

You and Dopeydog are the ones acting like fucking idiots here,  Dodger...

Just admit to it, and own your ignorance..

Neither of you fools know the first thing about macro-economic theory.


Trying to redine the meanings of economic systems, in a puerile attempt to fit your own right wing agendas, simply won't cut it..

You two noisy know-nothing twats just keep on demonstrating your ignorance, thread-after-thread...

Was it called "the nationalist socialist party" or was it not ? I don't mind being put right, just some one answer me now and again. I might as well be fucking invisible on here !

Nicko... National socialist German workers party...


And Veya/fleakeeper... yes the Nazis did control all the means of production...

I never said the nazi govt OWNED everything, as that would be the other far left form of communism...!


Also... BMW & Merc and others were hand in hand with the Nazi govt... but had to be really, as the nazi govt controlled all the supply chains, and also needed them to produce war time vehicles and aeroplane engines etc...

nicko wrote:Was it called "the nationalist socialist party"   or  was it not ?  I don't mind being put right,   just some one answer me now and again.     I might as well be fucking invisible on here !

Yes it was called that.

Does that make it socialist when Hitler was ruling the party?

No

No more than the North Koreans are not democratic, even though its called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

We have been here many times with Tommy's delusions.

in 1934, Hitler purged the Nazi's of all  its socialist elements, murdering them.

Hitler rounded up and sent to concentration camp many people who were left wing.

The Nazi party may have had some socialist origins, but under Hitler and how the Nazi party became known, It became a far right totalitarin racist party

He never however eradicated the racist elements

As I am center right, its embarressing when right wing apologists makes the daft and absurd claim the Nazi's were left wing under Hitler. They were as Far Right as you can get.

Here are some articles to help Veya/fleakeeper & didge...


https://mises.org/library/myth-nazi-capitalism

https://mises.org/library/national-socialism

https://mises.org/library/nazism-socialism

https://mises.org/library/nazi-economic-policy

Tommy Monk wrote:Here are some articles to help Veya/fleakeeper & didge...


https://mises.org/library/myth-nazi-capitalism

https://mises.org/library/national-socialism

https://mises.org/library/nazism-socialism

https://mises.org/library/nazi-economic-policy

I have posted countless links to you and everytime you ignore them

You post the views of apologists. Germanic ones at that, which is ironic

What you need to tell me is why Hitler purged all the socialist and left wing elements in the Nazi party and opposition, but did not with all Conservative groups?

Why he also classed Communism, a marxist socialist doctrine, as a main enemy?

Why did he not class any right wing organisation in another country as a main enemy?

Why all his allies were right wing authoritarian?

Idiots like you Tommy get schooled daily

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001

Apparently, people are travelling to visit this cafe now and leaving great reviews. It has gone to No.17 in the top cafes to visit

some folks just never learn

gelico wrote:Apparently, people are travelling to visit this cafe now and leaving great reviews.  It has gone to No.17 in the top cafes to visit

some folks just never learn

It usually happens that way.

https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

You avoided my questions Tommy

I have posted countless links to you and everytime you ignore them

You post the views of apologists. Germanic ones at that, which is ironic

What you need to tell me is why Hitler purged all the socialist and left wing elements in the Nazi party and opposition, but did not with all Conservative groups?

Why he also classed Communism, a marxist socialist doctrine, as a main enemy?

Why did he not class any right wing organisation in another country as a main enemy?

Why all his allies were right wing authoritarian?

Idiots like you Tommy get schooled daily

https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001