Winston Churchill-inspired 'Blighty cafe' is stormed by a group of Left-wing protesters who brand Britain's wartime leader a 'racist'

Maddog wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Irrelevant conflated waffle...!

OK. Have it you way.

I wasn't talking about them or making any claims about them... so I don't see why you keep trying to subvert on to them...


Can't we just stick to what I WAS talking about...?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Maddog wrote:

OK. Have it you way.

I wasn't talking about them or making any claims about them... so I don't see why you keep trying to subvert on to them...


Can't we just stick to what I WAS talking about...?

Because they are all members of the same political philosophy as Hitler.

Tommy, I have tried with you. You want to be willfully ignorant. I will not have the answers you seek.

But that is simply not true!!!


They were not he same at all!!!


Next you'll be trying to claim that Saddam Hussein was a far RW dictator too!!!






All I'm asking is that we stick to one subject of topic at a time... which for me at the moment, is debate around Hitler/Nazis being far left authoritarian state socialists...!


And discussion on the information/evidence/arguments available to support this view!

Tommy Monk wrote:But that is simply not true!!!


They were not he same at all!!!


Next you'll be trying to claim that Saddam Hussein was a far RW dictator too!!!






All I'm asking is that we stick to one subject of topic at a time... which for me at the moment, is debate around Hitler/Nazis being far left authoritarian state socialists...!


And discussion on the information/evidence/arguments available to support this view!

Tommy, I have tried with you. You want to be willfully ignorant. I will not have the answers you seek.

I am not being ignorant... I just want to stick to one thing at a time...


Why are you unwilling to do that...?

Tommy Monk wrote:I am not being ignorant... I just want to stick to one thing at a time...


Why are you unwilling to do that...?

I did. That didn't work. Call the Nazis whatever you like.

I have showed you the socialist aspects of Hitler/Nazis... just look at the policies enacted during the 1930's...!

Tommy Monk wrote:I have showed you the socialist aspects of Hitler/Nazis... just look at the policies enacted during the 1930's...!

Well show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya said...

'...Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would...'


The Nazis had full control over the means of production... so as I've said many times before... the Nazis were far left!!!

Also from page 2...


Maddog said...

'...Countries that have government control over the means of production are socialist...'



And I have shown you that Hitler/Nazis not only had plenty of (commonly considered as) socialist policies, like their healthcare system, provisions for the unemployed, and govt spending on roads/infrastucture etc... but also the state grew to having complete control over all the means of production... as well as control over prices and wages etc...!!!


So by Veya and Maddog own statements on page 2 of this thread... Hitler/Nazis were undeniably authoritarian left wing socialists!!!

Didge wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:I have showed you the socialist aspects of Hitler/Nazis... just look at the policies enacted during the 1930's...!

Well show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?

Why do you keep posting these bullshit questions loaded with sweeping statement assertions that are complete lies...!!!???

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?

Why do you keep posting these bullshit questions loaded with sweeping statement assertions that are complete lies...!!!???

Why is it you are unable to answer simple questions?

How is my question loaded and to you a complete lie?

Show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?

What you need to tell me is why Hitler purged all the socialist and left wing elements in the Nazi party and opposition, but did not with all Conservative groups?

Why he also classed Communism, a marxist socialist doctrine, as a main enemy?

Why did he not class any right wing organisation in another country as a main enemy?

Didge... you are either a very stupid and totally misinformed idiot... or you are deliberately posting bullshit to misinform/mislead others, and misrepresent the truth...!!!


Dodgy didge question...

'..show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?'


Have you ever heard of ROMANIA...!!!???


Maybe you could tell us about Hitler/Nazis support for this 'RW ally' of theirs...!!!???


Twat!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:
Didge... you are either a very stupid and totally misinformed idiot... or you are deliberately posting bullshit to misinform/mislead others, and misrepresent the truth...!!!
Dodgy didge question...
'..show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?'
Have you ever heard of ROMANIA...!!!???
Maybe you could tell us about Hitler/Nazis support for this 'RW ally' of theirs...!!!???
Twat!!!

Yes I have heard of Romania

Romania is not a party, but the National Legionary State was the Governement, that was led by Ion Antonescu and dominated by the Iron Guard. Until he then disolved them and ruled basically as a dictator

Ultra Right wing Authoritarian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Legionary_State

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu

You were saying?

You see i have a degree in history and specialised in WW2, hence why its so easy to make you look so stupid here

So again

Why is it you are unable to answer simple questions?

How is my question loaded and to you a complete lie?

Show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?

What you need to tell me is why Hitler purged all the socialist and left wing elements in the Nazi party and opposition, but did not with all Conservative groups?

Why he also classed Communism, a marxist socialist doctrine, as a main enemy?

Why did he not class any right wing organisation in another country as a main enemy?

It seems, the only twat here is you and an idiot that backs other revisonist idiots politically motivated on history

Twat!!!


Hitler/Nazis supported the Romanian socialists against the communists...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Twat!!!


Hitler/Nazis supported the Romanian socialists against the communists...!!!

This is why many people do not take you seriously Tommy

Your understanding of Politics and history, is comical

My previous post, proves you are emphatically an idiot

So again

Why is it you are unable to answer simple questions?

How is my question loaded and to you a complete lie?

Show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?

What you need to tell me is why Hitler purged all the socialist and left wing elements in the Nazi party and opposition, but did not with all Conservative groups?

Why he also classed Communism, a marxist socialist doctrine, as a main enemy?

Why did he not class any right wing organisation in another country as a main enemy?

It seems, the only twat here is you and an idiot that backs other revisonist idiots politically motivated on history

See... just as I said before...


Your questions are bullshit... and any time I answer one of them, you ignore the answer, then post a load more...!


Creating an ever increasing wall of waffle that you insist on spamming the thread with, along with your usual waffle of accusing me of failing to answer...!!!


And you wonder why people ignore you...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:See... just as I said before...


Your questions are bullshit... and any time I answer one of them, you ignore the answer, then post a load more...!


Creating an ever increasing wall of waffle that you insist on spamming the thread with, along with your usual waffle of accusing me of failing to answer...!!!


And you wonder why people ignore you...!?

Really?

Because I am having to deal with a retard that has no clue on poilitics on history?

You are not ignoring me

Now either disprove my points or jog the fuck on

I have no time for the likes of dickheads like you tonight

'...the Legion generally promoted the idea of a communal or national economy, rejecting capitalism as overly materialistic...'

Wikipedia


So... clear to see they were rooted in left wing socialist ideals...!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya said...

'...Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would...'


The Nazis had full control over the means of production... so as I've said many times before... the Nazis were far left!!!

Also from page 2...


Maddog said...

'...Countries that have government control over the means of production are socialist...'



And I have shown you that Hitler/Nazis not only had plenty of (commonly considered as) socialist policies, like their healthcare system, provisions for the unemployed, and govt spending on roads/infrastucture etc... but also the state grew to having complete control over all the means of production... as well as control over prices and wages etc...!!!


So by Veya and Maddog own statements on page 2 of this thread... Hitler/Nazis were undeniably authoritarian left wing socialists!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:'...the Legion generally promoted the idea of a communal or national economy, rejecting capitalism as overly materialistic...'

Wikipedia


So... clear to see they were rooted in left wing socialist ideals...!!!

This is why nobody takes you seriously Tommy

Tommy, do you know who the warring factions were in the Spanish civil, and who the Soviets and Nazis supported in said conflict?

Maddog wrote:Tommy, do you know who the warring factions were in the Spanish civil, and who the Soviets and Nazis supported in said conflict?

Seriously mate, why are you bothering?

He is a idiot

Tommy Monk wrote:'...the Legion generally promoted the idea of a communal or national economy, rejecting capitalism as overly materialistic...'

Wikipedia


So... clear to see they were rooted in left wing socialist ideals...!!!

This is why I know tyou are an idiot

The legion were anti captialist and anti socialist

They lasted 3 months Tommy

This is why I know someone of your stupidity does not know history. You just find a sentence and then claim they must be socialist, even though the Iron guard hate socialism

This is why I am not going to give you the time of day anymore. You truly are a retard

Getting boring now boys or even two pages ago.

The legion were anti captialist and anti communist...


They were a form of left wing authoritarian state socialists...!




Vintage... if you don't like it, then start posting something more interesting to the thread/discussion, or stick to other threads...!



And Maddog... I'm more interested in what you and Veya said on page 2...

Veya said...

'...Almost No Country controls the means of production in every industry. Something that a Full Socialist Nation would...'


The Nazis had full control over the means of production... so as I've said many times before... the Nazis were far left!!!


Also from page 2...


Maddog said...

'...Countries that have government control over the means of production are socialist...'


And I have shown you that Hitler/Nazis not only had plenty of (commonly considered as) socialist policies, like their healthcare system, provisions for the unemployed, and govt spending on roads/infrastucture etc... but also the state grew to having complete control over all the means of production... as well as control over prices and wages etc...!!!


So by Veya and Maddog own statements on page 2 of this thread... Hitler/Nazis were undeniably authoritarian left wing socialists!!!

Did I mention repetitive? seems to be Didge and Tommy thtread surely a sign you've passed the interesting state.

Vintage wrote:Did I mention repetitive? seems to be Didge and Tommy thtread surely a sign you've passed the interesting state.

Then why not actually add something to the thread instead of bitching?

Didge wrote:

Vintage wrote:Did I mention repetitive? seems to be Didge and Tommy thtread surely a sign you've passed the interesting state.

Then why not actually add something to the thread instead of bitching?

You think that calling Tommy an idiot and a retard is not bitching?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Then why not actually add something to the thread instead of bitching?

You think that calling Tommy an idiot and a retard is not bitching?

Nope

He is a retarded and stupid as, seen throughout this thread.

Do you agree with his piss poor revisionist bullshit?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You think that calling Tommy an idiot and a retard is not bitching?

Nope

He is a retarded and stupid as, seen throughout this thread.

Do you agree with his piss poor revisionist bullshit?

I think his posts are refreshing - he's not following the marjority like a sheep.

In any case, saying he's retarded and stupid isn't exactly good debating is it?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nope

He is a retarded and stupid as, seen throughout this thread.

Do you agree with his piss poor revisionist bullshit?

I think his posts are refreshing - he's not following the marjority like a sheep.

In any case, saying he's retarded and stupid isn't exactly good debating is it?

So you agree that the Nazi;s were socialists then?



I think iff you look back he was the one calling people names

So why are you not pulling him up?

Two faced?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think his posts are refreshing - he's not following the marjority like a sheep.

In any case, saying he's retarded and stupid isn't exactly good debating is it?

So you agree that the Nazi;s were socialists then?



I think iff you look back he was the one calling people names

So why are you not pulling him up?

Two faced?

Not at all. You always start the abuse, and in any case, Tommy isn't as arrogant as you. You can never agree to disagree.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


So you agree that the Nazi;s were socialists then?



I think iff you look back he was the one calling people names

So why are you not pulling him up?

Two faced?

Not at all. You always start the abuse, and in any case, Tommy isn't as arrogant as you. You can never agree to disagree.

PMSL, what a load contradictive bollocks 

Look to me he is an idiot, and so many people tried to explain to him why he is being an idiot here, where  he calls everyone a twat

Its clear based on history and politics, he is an idiot.

And i am not going to start being politically correct for you

And I can agree to disagee and have done

So again we see you lying.

Best you wash your mouth out with soap love

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not at all. You always start the abuse, and in any case, Tommy isn't as arrogant as you. You can never agree to disagree.

PMSL, what a load contradictive bollocks 

Look to me he is an idiot, and so many people tried to explain to him why he is being an idiot here, where  he calls everyone a twat

Its clear based on history and politics, he is an idiot.

And i am not going to start being politically correct for you

And I can agree to disagee and have done

So again we see you lying.

Best you wash your mouth out with soap love

Why are you bothering then? If you think he's an idiot, it's a waste of your time "debating" isn't it? I don't call what you post debating anyway - it's just abuse and tantrums most of the time.

Anyway, I'm not lying about anything. You started the abuse with Tommy, so you're the liar.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

PMSL, what a load contradictive bollocks 

Look to me he is an idiot, and so many people tried to explain to him why he is being an idiot here, where  he calls everyone a twat

Its clear based on history and politics, he is an idiot.

And i am not going to start being politically correct for you

And I can agree to disagee and have done

So again we see you lying.

Best you wash your mouth out with soap love

Why are you bothering then? If you think he's an idiot, it's a waste of your time "debating" isn't it? I don't call what you post debating anyway - it's just abuse and tantrums most of the time.

That is fine if you think that, and for me, I think you are clueless and nothing but a shit stirrer, as elquently seen here

I have stopped bothering to try and reason with Tommy here

Anything else?

Tommy Monk wrote:You are the idiot didge...


I get tired of repeating myself to you, as you never listen!


Because you are too thick to understand what is being said!


Your loaded questions are spurious!


And besides that, for every one of your 'questions' I do answer... you ignore the answer, and then ask two more... ending up with an ever increasing list of spurious questions, along with your additional regular waffle of how I've failed to answer anything...!


And quite frankly... I can't be bothered with all your bullshit today!


Either read the articles I posted... and try thinking about what is being said in them........ or don't...!


Your spurious waffle doesn't negate anything that is said in them...!

Exhibit 1

Proving that Tommy started the abuse and easily proving Rags is a liar and a shit stirrer

Tommy Monk wrote:Nicko... National socialist German workers party...


And Veya/fleakeeper... yes the Nazis did control all the means of production...

I never said the nazi govt OWNED everything, as that would be the other far left form of communism...!


Also... BMW & Merc and others were hand in hand with the Nazi govt... but had to be really, as the nazi govt controlled all the supply chains, and also needed them to produce war time vehicles and aeroplane engines etc...

Exhibit 2

Tommy abusing Wolf

Tommy Monk wrote:

Maddog wrote:Hitler was a statist, like any communist. However, statists can come from either side of the political spectrum, as long as you are using the left-right spectrum. Hitler was on the far right (like Pinochet or Franco). Lenin was on the far left.

I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand.

Waffle!

Exhibit 3

Tommy not debating

Tommy Monk wrote:

Didge... you are either a very stupid and totally misinformed idiot... or you are deliberately posting bullshit to misinform/mislead others, and misrepresent the truth...!!!


Dodgy didge question...

'..show me why Hitlers only actual allies were right wing authoritarian nations, who were anti socialism and not socialist nations?'


Have you ever heard of ROMANIA...!!!???


Maybe you could tell us about Hitler/Nazis support for this 'RW ally' of theirs...!!!???


Twat!!!

Exhibit 4

Didge wrote:A Winston Churchill-inspired cafe that has become a target for activists has been stormed by a group of Left-wing protesters. Nine demonstrators burst into the Blighty UK Cafe in North London on Saturday and told customers to boycott the place for ‘celebrating colonialism’. They also denounced Britain’s wartime leader as a ‘racist’ The patriotic cafe, in Finsbury Park, features a life-size Churchill figure, Union Flags and model Spitfires. But a small group of young men and women stormed the diner and disrupted staff and customers.

One of the protesters says: ‘We cannot accept the unashamed colonial and gentrifying presence of this cafe. You will never make colonialism palatable.’ She demands the owners ‘apologise to the local community for their poorly thought out and insensitive branding and promptly change it’. The whole group also chants ‘It is our duty to fight for our freedom’ and ‘we have nothing to lose but our chains’.
When one diner says ‘Churchill fought for our freedom’, a protestor replies ‘Churchill was a racist’. The incident is the latest in a string of attacks on the cafe.

Last week it emerged that owners were facing calls to ‘adjust their brand’ from locals who had taken offence to the décor. Protesters even started an online petition which claims the cafe, and its sister branch, are ‘using history in a light-hearted fancy dress manner’. Owner Chris Evans has also been forced to remove a Churchill mural after it was repeatedly vandalised with the words ‘scum’, ‘warmonger’ and ‘imperialist’.
He told The Sun: ‘For me they are wrong to say we can’t celebrate Britain’s history, we have done some bad things in the past, I agree, but it doesn’t mean we can’t celebrate the Commonwealth which, for me, is a positive thing.' In a previous interview he defended his cafes' themes and said that the vandalism of the Churchill mural and petition against his flourishing chain had been an 'unnecessary headache'. 

He said: 'We never imagined that Churchill or Gandhi would attract complaints. We thought they were both widely-liked and admired figures. 'After all, Darkest Hour cinema audiences are currently giving standing ovations to Churchill's "We shall fight on the beaches" speech. 'The Churchill mural was just a bit of fun with the idea that he had two fingers up ordering a double espresso. 'But, sadly, we had to get rid of it some months back after it was repeatedly vandalised. We now have people running petitions against us.
'It is simply silly to say we are celebrating British imperialism and colonialism.
'We are just an independent cafe chain put together by people who work hard to make it happen and yet people seem to want to bring politics into it to try and drag us down.
'All we are doing is celebrating a true British hero in Churchill and the ties between Britain and Commonwealth countries through the mediums of coffee and food.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5323519/Winston-Churchill-inspired-Blighty-cafe-stormed.html#ixzz55YDryC8S 
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Taken offence? 

Left wing retards, throwing their dummies out again.

The owner should invest in some rottweilers and let them loose on the protestors, if they are on his property.

Its odd that such idiots, have never protested at Madame Tussauds

Anywa, time to get this debate back on track

Wolfboy started on Tommy first, and you also called Veya an idiot first.

Don't waste my time. You're a liar, and I think Veya is probably right about you.

Raggamuffin wrote:Wolfboy started on Tommy first, and you also called Veya an idiot first.

Don't waste my time. You're a liar, and I think Veya is probably right about you.

Wrong, Tommy started on Wolf and hardly ever refers properly to posters names

I dont care what you think, you have on,ly jumped into shit stir

I think you personally get off on shit stirring

I reckon in real life you would not say boo to a goose



You can think what you like about me, so can Veya. That is your choice

It still wont change the fact you are a brat and shit stirrer

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Wolfboy started on Tommy first, and you also called Veya an idiot first.

Don't waste my time. You're a liar, and I think Veya is probably right about you.

Wrong, Tommy started on Wolf and hardly ever refers properly to posters names

I dont care what you think, you have on,ly jumped into shit stir

I think you personally get off on shit stirring

I reckon in real life you would not say boo to a goose



You can think what you like about me, so can Veya. That is your choice

It still wont change the fact you are a brat and shit stirrer

You're wrong. Wolfboy started on Tommy first. You started on Tommy first, so you're at fault here.

It's only your opinion that I'm a brat and a shit stirrer - you need to understand the difference between fact and your opinion. To you, they're the same thing, but you're wrong about that.

You think saying "bullshit" is starting on someone?

The point is Tommy is completely ignorant on this

Didge wrote:You think saying "bullshit" is starting on someone?

The point is Tommy is completely ignorant on this

In your opinion ...

You said more than that. You constantly call people idiots and say their views are retarded. Who do you think you are?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:You think saying "bullshit" is starting on someone?

The point is Tommy is completely ignorant on this

In your opinion ...

You said more than that. You constantly call people idiots and say their views are retarded. Who do you think you are?

When did you become politically correct?

If someones point is idiotic, are they not being an idiot?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

In your opinion ...

You said more than that. You constantly call people idiots and say their views are retarded. Who do you think you are?

When did you become politically correct?

If someones point is idiotic, are they not being an idiot?

It's only your opinion though - that's what you don't seem to get. If you call someone an idiot, they're obviously going to call you something back, and then you start getting all uppity.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:

When did you become politically correct?

If someones point is idiotic, are they not being an idiot?

It's only your opinion though - that's what you don't seem to get. If you call someone an idiot, they're obviously going to call you something back, and then you start getting all uppity.

Its not opinion in regards to Nazism

Its documented

I am not bothered if they call me names, but in this instance Tommy has been an idiot

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's only your opinion though - that's what you don't seem to get. If you call someone an idiot, they're obviously going to call you something back, and then you start getting all uppity.

Its not opinion in regards to Nazism

Its documented

I am not bothered if they call me names, but in this instance Tommy has been an idiot

Tommy has not been an idiot - you're just intolerant and small minded.